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NSA leaker Edward Snowden plans to settle in Russia and is ready to begin a court battle if the countrys migration service denies his asylum plea, Anatoly Kucherena, a Russian lawyer who assists the whistleblower, told RT.
Its hard for me to say what his actions would be in terms of a positive decision (on the asylum plea), Kucherena said. We must understand that security is the number one issue in his case. I think the process of adaptation will take some time. Its an understandable process as he doesnt know the Russian language, our customs, and our laws.
Hes planning to arrange his life here. He plans to get a job. And, I think, that all his further decisions will be made considering the situation he found himself in, he added.
http://rt.com/news/snowden-work-russia-lawyer-482/
Take it for what it is. After all, it is RT.
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Detroit is rather scenic this time of year...
knitter4democracy
(14,350 posts)Russia's gorgeous, too.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)what a freaking joke this guy is!
sagat
(241 posts)Russian LGBT Network was the first to report the tourists had been jailed Sunday. Russia's Gazeta later reported the four suspects were with the LGBT-Groningen organization.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/dutch-tourists-jailed-russia-gay_n_3635803.html
Yeah, real beautiful and free.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)msongs
(67,498 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Russia, the only place "safe from obama's drones"
Rich in hyperbole, and too damn funny.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Apparently much better, it seems, if his bed is in Russia.
Can't blame anyone for wanting to stay alive. Capture, rendition and perhaps death is a good possibility should he move to SA, especially to Venezuala, who recently turned someone over to the US at this administration's request.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Ben "Fucking French Girls" Franklin
railsback
(1,881 posts)Had to dive behind a brown shirt's trailer.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)stay safe from his drones.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)And he'll have all the civil liberties there too, that don't exist in the US.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)as well he should be. He appears to have committed serious crimes.
MADem
(135,425 posts)According to Russia's state-owned Ria Novosti news agency:
Skat is designed to carry out strike missions on stationary targets, especially air defense systems in high-threat areas, as well as mobile land and sea targets.
Skat will operate in autonomous modes as well as in conjunction with other manned systems, MiG says.
A "flying wing" design, Skat has a projected weight of 10 tons, a two-ton payload, a range of 2,500 miles (4,000 km), a speed of 500 mph (800 km/h) and a ceiling of 36,000 feet (12,000 m).
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)What the Snowidealists don't get is that Putin will discard of him when he's done schlurping his laptops and having him explain it all to kind loving FSB agents.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's like that Dylan song Emily Litella was telling me about .... Everybody Must Get Droned....!!!
As do the Chinese and most of Europe and Asia....
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)One upside of Snowden's big adventure, I've gained a huge interest in Russia. I need to start learning the language so thanks for lesson 1. Just some words, the grammar is daunting.
By the way check out this Russian expert, she's a bit too tinfoil but interesting. She pegged that Moscow would be the final destination a couple of weeks ago.
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/07/guess-whose-idea-it-was-to-have-snowdens-airport-appearance.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)Naturally, Greenwald vigorously denies any of this.
Well, who knows, like a broken clock, Shamir might be right twice a day.
Even Shamir asks what I ask -- why didn't Snowden just go to Venezuela first? The answer to that question indeed appears convoluted.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)the Assange, Poitras, Greenwald, Jacob Appelbaum conspiracy. Appelbaum is a heavy duty hacker who would have been able to set up the laptop/s for security and conceivably give advice about how to get documents. Appelbaum and Poitras are close and just co-authored the Der Spiegel article, so many coincidences
So far tying Applebaum to having been in Hawaii in April 2013 while he claimed not having met Snowden for another month.
In the video I posted of his recent talk in Germany Appelbaum is trying to talk that back but at the same time saying he's scared to be in the USA right now and will stay in Europe for now.
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/
07/23/2013
Jacob Appelbaum's Data Trail
As noted, LibertyLynx received a link to a video of Jacob Appelbaum speaking in Germany at Digitale Gesellschaft on June 25, 2013 in which he admits that he was in Hawaii in April 2013 -- which as we know was the same time Edward Snowden was -- and then goes on to paint a picture of this as some kind of fantastic coincidence, i.e. that he hasn't now been caught out in a lie claiming he hadn't heard of Snowden before he was contacted by him in May over encrypted email with Laura Poitras' help.
Naturally, I don't believe him, for all sorts of reasons. One, because in my first encounters with him, I found him to be such a liar and such a thug, whistling for Anonymous to harass me because I kept calling out the propagandistic lies of WikiLeaks in the "Collateral Murder" video. Appelbaum, like so many WikiLeaks propagandists on day-old accounts on Twitter assigned to heckle bloggers, claimed falsely that American soldiers deliberately shot the children in the van in Iraq. I continued to challenge this as false, as they couldn't possibly see that the van had children in it, and there was absolutely nothing to support this narrative, which was concocted.
Then when I saw Appelbaum's other performances, either in person or on videos on Youtube, I saw what a fabulist and paranoic racconteur he was, and I really was skeptical.
On this story, he makes it sound as if the trip to Hawaii -- paid for by friends unknown -- was some kind of "dream come true" as if it were the fulfillment of a long-held wish.
But he was in Hawaii the year before doing the same thing, so it sounds odd to speak of the second (or next) trip as being this long-awaited wish fulfillment.
Here's the transcript -- where he describes the Hawaii story and then goes on to tell a Boston story:
To give you an example, I just turned 30 and now that I'm halfway to death I...I uh just kidding...you can't be halfway at 98%, but whatever happens it was murder...so...um...terrible...anyway...uh...I..I...I think it's important to understand this...right.
I'm in Berlin right now because I had the really fucking awful unfortunate mistake of for my whole life dreaming to go to Hawaii, to go swimming with mantarays and dolphins and like all this other like you know unicorns and rainbows and all that stuff, right? We didn't find any unicorns and rainbows; well, we actually found two rainbows but no unicorns. And uh, so I was in Hawaii in April for my 30th birthday. And 20 of my friends came. And it was like the most incredible thing I had ever experienced.
Like, if you want to feel loved, have 20 people fly for a really fucking long time to an island in the middle of an ocean, right, and to fly you there as a gift for your birthday. So I felt really loved and I felt like this is incredible, what a fantastic thing and what great friends, and I'm so lucky to have, you know, friends like this in my life.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I can take back roads and go to CT, or RI, or NH, or VT, and maybe escape notice if I borrow someone's car, splash mud on the license, and make sure I have enough gas to get back....but don't they check everyone coming in to HI to make sure they aren't smuggling a rabid dog in their hip pocket, or something? I haven't been there in years--and I didn't go to any of those vacation-y islands, I went to Oahu for work--so my first question is, WHICH island?
Did he go party on Maui-wowee like a vacationer going "to an island in the middle of the ocean" to see rainbows and unicorns or did he go to a rather congested island that is Quickie Tourist and Business, and military, and ... NSA ... combined?
Inquiring minds want to know!!!!
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)and it's not because of the NSA, it's his frequent flyer miles account.
Even super duper subversive guys like Appelbaum like to get their FF miles!
edit: but we'd have to get someone to hack it, that's probably not all that hard
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Those usually cost something
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)But not so well planned out. Snowden thought he would end up in China, but was thwarted by circumstance. Now he will sell out the US for 'thirty pieces of silver' in the form of what Russia considers personal comfort and safety. Bet the NSA data is being drooled over by Russia's spy agencies as I type this. Next few weeks will show the truth. Many here wont accept the truth though....SAD!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Won't even TRY a great escape to Latin America?
Come on dude- You are known as super spy of the World. You are a PRO hacker I hear! Don't let your fans down, go out with a bang not a wimper living on the outskirts of Moscow getting fat on salo
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)So maybe it is a financial decision!
You can figure he gave up information, same happened with Oswald in the 1960s.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)People are slacking
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)though Wikileaks is bleeding $ even with the l'affaire Snowden
brush
(53,978 posts)Just sayin'.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)he's got the practice with shoveling shit.
brush
(53,978 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Buh bye, now.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)KGB not snitch da!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Just like the nsa tracking me eh?
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)supporting the Cornish Liberation Army!
They are not an authoritarian outfit, Greenwald would approve!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)n/t
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)I wouldn't want them to live under a "fascist state" any longer than they have to.
Maybe they move out into the middle of snowy Siberia and start Snowdentown and officially declare it a sister city of the now defunct Jonestown.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)They'll come back wearing Putin t-shirts. Da!
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)leftstreet
(36,119 posts)AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)and while their international reporting is very good, everything they report does have to be glimpsed through a lens of "How does this benefit the Russian government to report this?"
Honestly, everybody should be as critical of a viewer of any media. Media-reported objective truth is rarely objective or truth.
Turbineguy
(37,417 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)can't tell exactly!
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)But Putin probably locked her up for being a gay musician or running against him in an election.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)After all, everyone who has even a modicum of respect for Snowden must love Putin and everything he's done.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)within the next 6 months. No rush!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)shawn703
(2,702 posts)I see he didn't try to flee to a real Libertarian utopia like Somalia. Funny how quick that guy was willing to give up liberty for a little bit of security. Guess there's a difference when it's his own ass on the line.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)Thread Winner!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)
It would be hard for him to continue his vendetta against a democratically elected government in favor of Libertarian insanity if Russia grants Snowden asylum on the understanding that he keeps his mouth shut. Oh, man, and that book deal. Glenn better figure out a way to jump that Geraldo Rivera train to nowhere.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Spazito
(50,627 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)I guess the donors are slipping. Gotta ratchet it up. Copywriters are working around the clock.
Act now! Save Glenn Greenwald's life! For a mere donation of a minimum $200.00 (visa, MC or Paypal) you will be saving the life of the greatest journalist ever known from the Clutches of Fascist America and the devilspawn Barack Hussein Obama. But wait, with your $200 donation you will also receive, (for the next 10 minutes only, so Act Now!) You will also receive a Glossy Photo of Glenn Greenwald's big hairy assed ego.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Pussy Riot
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Pick your poison
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)One would advise moderates/liberals to stay away from country music/evangelicals.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Moderates/liberals are being squeezed out and abused here as well, by both political party's.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I doubt we would send drones into Russia, but if we did, I am guessing some would be ok with it.
Funny how that works.
pnwmom
(109,025 posts)That'll go over really well.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)wonder if Snowman bought his plutonium proof undies with him?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)There are some on this thread who are more than willing to sell the constitution for a few moments of glee.
These are the kinds of people who are at the heart of the rot in this country.
"America, love it or leave it" is their motto. "Bend over and take it" is their meme.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)instead of where people ran off to with accusations.
The only program Snowden leaked that 'targeted' US citizens is the phone metadata program....which is information that belongs to the phone companies and is already sold to marketers without asking us. Kinda hard to call that a privacy invasion.
All the rest of the "spying on Americans!!!!" claims are not backed up with what Snowden actually leaked.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)C'mon people ya'll are slacking
BumRushDaShow
(130,036 posts)What happened to Bolivia or Venezuela?
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)It is not all too rare that the US will kill innocent people to get one man.
And if you think otherwise please explain the many deaths of civilians in two countries we are not at war with who have been killed by the US.
Of course some would still say, "We would never do that" and turn their head to when we have.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)or in the conspiracy pushed by Bolivia about blocking that flight though there was something going on it never reached those proportions.
Snowden can leave if he wants but he has made a deal with Russia in my opinion. They'll use him. After that they may dump him.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)The point is that we DO kill innocent people in other countries to get to ones we don't like.
*IF* they did the same to Snowden would you and others object then? Or just pass over it as business as usual and don't talk about it because it makes Obama look bad?
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)I'd say they want him to stand trial to expose others who helped him gain access beyond his ability.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)For the perps in other countries - but they don't want to question them, just kill em.
And if he did stand trial, and it was a public one? Could you imagine what might be revealed?
Naw, they want him quiet. If they arrest him he would be in solitary and away from prying eyes.
I don't trust our government further than I can throw them anymore....
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)But I don't live and vote there, and I don't expect them to be using private companies here in the US to spy on me.
But apparently some don't have a problem with that here.
Betting if the same thing was going on over there folks would think it was big brother like (hell, I remember back in the 70's and 80's our view here of the Russians were that they were big brother and monitored everything their people did and we didn't like that idea...funny how some seem ok with it here now)
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You are conflating those who oppose Snowden with support for domestic surveillance again. Two different issues.... Snowden has not revealed anything and now wants Russian assylum?
Poor poor baby.....you bet on the wrong horse.
Do you think Russia will EVER let this man unmonitored to access the internet ever again?
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)** These sentences say it all. Snowden's lawyer is Russian State Security - FSB - and they'll packaging this or have convinced Eddie that his security is at stake. Now they have a live in Leaker to help them undermine the USA.
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Kucherena, who sits on public council of the FSB, has been cpeaking for Snowden since July 12, the day Snowden accepted all offers for support and asylum.
We must understand that security is the number one issue in his case," Kucherena told RT. "I think the process of adaptation will take some time. Its an understandable process as he doesnt know the Russian language, our customs, and our laws.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/snowdens-moscow-lawyer-nsa-leaker-is-planning-to-live-in-russia-and-get-a-job-2013-7#ixzz2ZtMs8nY6
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Those were probably from extremists here in the U.S. The rest were Russians saying he should stay in the transit zone or be kicked out of the country.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)It sucks to be Ed. Once he settled on this path, he should have confined his leaking to domestic surveillance, claimed civil disobedience status and given himself up. He even could have done this from another country if he wanted to and still gotten off with a relatively minimal sentence. The personal happiness record of US exiles in Russia is awful; articles have been posted here about it, i.e.:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/snowden-may-wish-he-went-to-jail-in-america-if-he-accepts-putins-offer-of-russian-exile/
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)It's hard to discern what the plan was. He obviously liked Hong Kong or he wouldn't have started there. This whole enterprise started to feel very improvised when he left there, apparently after being told he wouldn't have access to a computer for up to two years while his extradition case worked its way through the courts.
I think the truth is there was no well thought-out plan and that we're dealing with a young man who underestimated the degree of personal difficulties he would face as a result of his behavior. Which is something that happens to a lot of young men who are overly sure of themselves and the rightness of their cause.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)assistance. As you say, there may not have been a plan past Hong Kong, and I find that incredibly naive.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Though he may live longer in Russia than in Venezuela.. unless of course he encounter Olga.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)as long as he's not subjected to too much torture at least he'll live in Moscow.
In South America he might have been killed by whatever party cared to go after him for intel, $ and security wouldn't be as tight.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)What happens if/when Putin is replaced by a more pro-American leader (which wouldn't be difficult)? He will be looking over his shoulder forever, imo. That's a lot to consider with 45-50 years to go in his life.
I just can't believe all the extra damage he did to himself by releasing info on our foreign activities. He would have been in a much better place if he had confined himself to domestic surveillance, which is far and away the main issue he had an impact on anyway.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)remember?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I thought that was coincidentally interesting.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Despite their horrific Human Rights record.
And the extremely limited Civil Liberties.
But it's all ok as long as they shelter Eddie.
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)of the great human rights lovink Rooshian Republik.
This could only get better if he marries Anna Chapman!
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)It's outdated and silly, Senator McCarthy, and borders on bigotry towards the people of Russia. Oh, I'm sorry "Rooshia"
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)just because it might be commie bashing as you have connected it (ps they're not commies now)
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)Guess 'Homeland Security' was already taken?
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)and make some sense! What is this statement meant to be about exactly?
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)Do you have a sad because you think Snowden is making Obama look like a poopyhead?
Let it all out
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)and if you think he's not divulging secrets to save his behind you're deluded.
leftstreet
(36,119 posts)revmclaren
(2,579 posts)I'm laughing MYSELF silly knowing that there are those on DU who actually think Snowden is being offered asylum free of charge...no strings attached. And Snowden will be laughing all the way to the банк. (that's Russian for bank. A word that I'm sure he knows well or will know soon enough)
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)He'll find himself a nice Russian bride
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Bred
27 y.o. male
Location: Moccow, Russia
etc. see link for pictures of Rooshian groomz
kentuck
(111,111 posts)Wouldn't you agree?
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)to stay home and bear children. Perhaps Snowden will join a lecture series with Whore Patriarch kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church on the evils of homosexuality and women's liberation.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think he'll be offered any "KGB-ish" employment...he's just not reliable that way.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and doesn't seem to have done anything for more than a short period of time.
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)has some soul searching and 'splaining to do. Unless they accept this as being an 'acceptable' government!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see
Just one of hundreds of links on the web to mother Russia's 'De-MOCK-racy'. Search engines are fun and informative too. USE THEM!
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)and if he wanted Snowden gone he'd issue him passage documents and arrange transportation.
So clear it's about other objectives.
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)Others...Not so much!
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I'd suggest the Moscow McDonald's store. They always seem to be hiring. In a few months, he could rise to an Assistant Manager's position.
You want fries with that?
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)Perrrfect job for Snowden! Not much Russian needed. Macova and Cheeski
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Has she resurfaced in London? Does she have a visa to enter Russia with Snowden?
Her role seems to have been taken by Kucherana.
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)is now his 'handler'!
Good luck Snowden. You are now a piece of Russian property!
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)revmclaren
(2,579 posts)flamingdem
(39,337 posts)good one.
Her poor parents must be beside themselves.
randome
(34,845 posts)Snowden doesn't seem like he cares much about family, either.
OTOH, he's probably only floating this as a way to increase the odds he'll be granted asylum.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
flamingdem
(39,337 posts)when it could be a smoke screen to get asylum and then he'll boogie outtathere to Brazil or wherever.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)FSogol
(45,593 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And doesn't mind living in a dictatorship with no freedoms.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That way the movie can be a love story. If it ends with him staying in Russia on some sort of visa the movie is gonna suck.
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)Maybe they didn't catch all the sleeper spies a few years back! Maybe this isn't an asylum
offer but more of a welcome back comrade thingy!
OK...hat's off...sanity returning....
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and learn more secrets for the Russian government?
Going public at age 29 doesn't make much sense for a sleeper agent. Think of where he might be by age 50 if he had kept that job.
revmclaren
(2,579 posts)But for arguments sake, he may have been on the NSAs radar for a while and decided to get the hell out of dodge before being arrested. And this way, the Russian government isn't exposed. Neat and tidy!
Damn...cant get the friggen thing off...
That's better!
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)What a coincidence - I just ordered my "Salt" DVD this week!
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)Must be a slow news day...
RL
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The guy's a genius!
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)pnwmom
(109,025 posts)Of course, he didn't leak information about our international spy agencies spying on foreign countries . . . .
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)that it forced the judge to declare a mistrial and dismiss the case with prejudice.
Were it not for that, Ellsberg could have been sentenced to close to 115 years.