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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:01 PM Jul 2013

Snowden plans to settle and work in Russia – lawyer to RT

Snowden plans to settle and work in Russia – lawyer to RT

NSA leaker Edward Snowden plans to settle in Russia and is ready to begin a court battle if the country’s migration service denies his asylum plea, Anatoly Kucherena, a Russian lawyer who assists the whistleblower, told RT.

“It’s hard for me to say what his actions would be in terms of a positive decision (on the asylum plea),” Kucherena said. “We must understand that security is the number one issue in his case. I think the process of adaptation will take some time. It’s an understandable process as he doesn’t know the Russian language, our customs, and our laws.”

“He’s planning to arrange his life here. He plans to get a job. And, I think, that all his further decisions will be made considering the situation he found himself in,” he added.

http://rt.com/news/snowden-work-russia-lawyer-482/

Take it for what it is. After all, it is RT.



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Snowden plans to settle and work in Russia – lawyer to RT (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2013 OP
Russia is a beautiful country n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #1
Yeah. ProSense Jul 2013 #3
Detroit is rather scenic this time of year... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #10
Actually, it is. Detroit has tons of green space. knitter4democracy Jul 2013 #97
Figures huh Prosense? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #51
Dutch Tourists Jailed Under Russia's 'Gay Propaganda' Law sagat Jul 2013 #44
With bigoted people dbackjon Jul 2013 #108
at least he will be safe from obama's drones nt msongs Jul 2013 #2
How do you sleep at night? ProSense Jul 2013 #4
How does Snowden sleep at night? JimDandy Jul 2013 #16
By staying in Russia, Snowden traded a little liberty for security. He deserves neither. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #89
I know, one tried to mow me down this morning railsback Jul 2013 #6
Now if the rest if us American citizens can just manage to JimDandy Jul 2013 #9
Yeah, he'll never have to worry about Putin's. pnwmom Jul 2013 #41
He's more worried about Obama's United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia arely staircase Jul 2013 #72
He won't be safe from Pooty-Poot's, though! MADem Jul 2013 #81
Ah, so that's a droneski! flamingdem Jul 2013 #99
Well, a dronovich, or a dronovna...a dronski would be Polish....and they have them TOO! MADem Jul 2013 #107
Da! Dylanova flamingdem Jul 2013 #112
Holy moly--big finish on that thang! MADem Jul 2013 #132
She's fun to follow, she's obsessed with getting to the bottom of flamingdem Jul 2013 #134
Hawaii is one of those states where it's not easy to just slide in and out. MADem Jul 2013 #136
I suppose there's a record of his trip flamingdem Jul 2013 #140
Time will tell if this is a defection flamingdem Jul 2013 #5
Of course its a defection! revmclaren Jul 2013 #92
what a lazy man.. snooper2 Jul 2013 #7
The campaign -edit: for his flight - to raise $ has $375 and needs 200,000! flamingdem Jul 2013 #11
I've seen DU'ers raise twice that to fix a cat before snooper2 Jul 2013 #14
Maybe Snowden should adopt a sick cat. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #17
Or move to a closet and get an RT tv show flamingdem Jul 2013 #19
Doesn't seem he'd be a trustworthy employee in his old industry brush Jul 2013 #8
maybe he can shovel coal. Whisp Jul 2013 #110
Hah! Good one. nt brush Jul 2013 #117
Good luck to him alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #12
Putin hates his arse since he snitched flamingdem Jul 2013 #20
I see the gang is all here. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #58
Did you see my anti-monarchy posts as well? flamingdem Jul 2013 #61
No but I see the attempt here failed to get much in the way of bites. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #62
Et Tu? HipChick Jul 2013 #137
They don't give me credit for flamingdem Jul 2013 #139
I can see it now, Snowden applies to Russia's Federal Guard Service and they gladly employ him. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #13
Except he could end up being the greatest trojan horse of all time. Socal31 Jul 2013 #129
He would not have to worry about US drones, they would take care of him. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #133
Some of his biggest supporters should go join him. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #15
Watch Russia become the new Greenrandian vacation hotspot! flamingdem Jul 2013 #18
Some of them alreadly only watch Russia Today for that fine, objective reporting. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #22
uh, guys? the cold war is over leftstreet Jul 2013 #28
There's one now! AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #31
Doesn't really change the fact that RT is Russian state-run media... Chan790 Jul 2013 #94
Maybe he wants to meet some nice ladies. Turbineguy Jul 2013 #83
Wow, that's a Putin fan band? flamingdem Jul 2013 #88
The 1950s called, they want their batshit back NuclearDem Jul 2013 #35
2013 would call... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #39
Your association of my post with "I <3 Putin and Russia" speaks volumes NuclearDem Jul 2013 #47
Good. We await your criticism of Russia and Putin. Have it on our desk anytime... AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #49
LOL Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #46
Ah Russia, that bastion of Libertarianism shawn703 Jul 2013 #80
"Funny how quick that guy was willing to give up liberty for a little bit of security." Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #85
+1,000,000,000. If Only! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #84
Explains Greenwald's 'I'm fearing for my life' narrative now. railsback Jul 2013 #21
Greenwald will be selling timeshares in Russia before this is all over flamingdem Jul 2013 #23
LOL, and it will be called SNOGGville, a gated community no doubt! Spazito Jul 2013 #52
Is that the jerk's latest? That he is fearing for his life? Whisp Jul 2013 #127
Ugh. Poor guy. Russia is a conservative hellhole. Zorra Jul 2013 #24
So is the USA AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #25
America has a place for most people, unlike Russia. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #75
True, but... AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #77
Smart guy. If he settled in Yemen or Pakistan we could kill him. The Straight Story Jul 2013 #26
Wait till he starts releasing Russian documents to Wikileaks. pnwmom Jul 2013 #42
Then the US will love him and give him asylum like they have others The Straight Story Jul 2013 #43
He would never make it out of Russia. They've got him where they want him. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #45
Yeah we know Russia uses radiation poison against its press... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #59
People take notice RobertEarl Jul 2013 #27
Nah, we're just paying attention to what was actually leaked jeff47 Jul 2013 #36
Expected more defenders of Snowden's right to defect to Mother Russia! flamingdem Jul 2013 #29
“He’s planning to arrange his life here." BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #30
Teh internet connection too slow? flamingdem Jul 2013 #32
No, probably worried about the safety of any flight he would take The Straight Story Jul 2013 #34
I have never agreed with these kill Snowden theories flamingdem Jul 2013 #38
That, though, is not the point The Straight Story Jul 2013 #40
There is no upside for killing him, it makes no sense flamingdem Jul 2013 #56
You would think they would want the same The Straight Story Jul 2013 #57
and Russia doesn't? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #60
Possibly The Straight Story Jul 2013 #65
"possibly"? My Aunt Fanny! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #67
Heh...do think our government will? LOL (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #82
Doesn't matter does it? He isn't one of us anymore! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #123
Your "straight" story....now has a really bad bend in it! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #68
Story picked up by Business Insider -- Snowden will be a live in Leaker flamingdem Jul 2013 #33
Two of my favorite comments from RT: AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #37
But they will never get their hands on his data!!! BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #48
Why didn't he go to Latin America in the first place? What was the reason for his escape path? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #87
One of the blanks he'll have to fill in BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #95
His father started out blaming Wikileaks, and began walking that back when they provided legal..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #98
I'm sure he's having a rough time with his son's decision flamingdem Jul 2013 #103
Olga? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #122
I think he's lucky to some extent flamingdem Jul 2013 #109
The USSR was suckier, but it did offer the promise/illusion of a safer harbor BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #116
he is impervious to torture arely staircase Jul 2013 #131
The wikileaks lawyer that is with him, she has 2 sisters living in HOng Kong. Whisp Jul 2013 #142
Spy flees to Russia and stays there. Apologists claim Russia's not so bad after all. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #50
That's Comrade Eddie flamingdem Jul 2013 #54
This commie fear-mongering is embarrassing to DU leftstreet Jul 2013 #63
LOL so you're excusing Mother Russia for her human rights record flamingdem Jul 2013 #66
LOL 'Mother Russia?' leftstreet Jul 2013 #69
Please unwind from the pretzel you've found yourself twisted into flamingdem Jul 2013 #70
Why don't you talk about your feeeeelwings? leftstreet Jul 2013 #71
I think it's a laugh riot that Snowden the Libertarian is now a Putin boy flamingdem Jul 2013 #74
Laughter is good for your health! n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #76
You are so very right. revmclaren Jul 2013 #105
True, he'll be livin' large even if stuck in Roosha nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #121
Mail order Groom? HipChick Jul 2013 #53
Who knew, there's a market for Russian Grooms too! flamingdem Jul 2013 #55
I'm sure that was at the top of all his options? kentuck Jul 2013 #64
Russia, where gays are persecuted and women are expected Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #73
He'll be running a GEEK SQUAD division in no time! MADem Jul 2013 #78
work? his resume and references must be interesting, given the fact he stole from his last employer arely staircase Jul 2013 #79
The comrad Snowdinski fanclub revmclaren Jul 2013 #86
Indeed. A de-mock-racy, Putin does what he wants flamingdem Jul 2013 #100
Clear to us... revmclaren Jul 2013 #113
With his qualifications and education, MineralMan Jul 2013 #90
That's great! I really didn't know that Makdonalski had made headway there flamingdem Jul 2013 #114
Whatever happened to Sara Harrison, his sherpa from Wikileaks FarCenter Jul 2013 #91
Kucherana revmclaren Jul 2013 #93
Or the famous OLGA! flamingdem Jul 2013 #102
OMG!!!!!!!!! revmclaren Jul 2013 #111
sherpa! flamingdem Jul 2013 #101
Whatever happened to his 'fish out of water' Lindsay Mills? randome Jul 2013 #120
Yes, we can't have too much fun thinking of his life in Russia flamingdem Jul 2013 #141
dumb question: Does he know the language and culture? Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #96
He knows they love liberty and freedumb! FSogol Jul 2013 #104
Because his BFF Glenn told him, no doubt. randome Jul 2013 #125
Good thing he is straight dbackjon Jul 2013 #106
Time to marry the hot spy chick.. Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #115
Time to put on the tinfoil hat for a moment... revmclaren Jul 2013 #118
But wouldn't he have tried to stay undercover Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #119
Remember...tinfoil hat! revmclaren Jul 2013 #124
How are the beaches? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #126
Only ONE blue link? RetroLounge Jul 2013 #128
A big improvement over Hawaii. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #130
he would be so much more sensible to accept spending several decades in an American prison Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #135
Daniel Ellsberg spent no time in an American prison. pnwmom Jul 2013 #138
No, he didn't serve time because the prosecution so blatantly illegally obtained evidence NuclearDem Jul 2013 #143

sagat

(241 posts)
44. Dutch Tourists Jailed Under Russia's 'Gay Propaganda' Law
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jul 2013
Four Dutch tourists have been jailed under Russia's "gay propaganda" law after they were suspected of promoting homosexuality to children.

Russian LGBT Network was the first to report the tourists had been jailed Sunday. Russia's Gazeta later reported the four suspects were with the LGBT-Groningen organization.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/dutch-tourists-jailed-russia-gay_n_3635803.html

Yeah, real beautiful and free.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. How do you sleep at night?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

Russia, the only place "safe from obama's drones"

Rich in hyperbole, and too damn funny.



JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
16. How does Snowden sleep at night?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jul 2013

Apparently much better, it seems, if his bed is in Russia.

Can't blame anyone for wanting to stay alive. Capture, rendition and perhaps death is a good possibility should he move to SA, especially to Venezuala, who recently turned someone over to the US at this administration's request.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
89. By staying in Russia, Snowden traded a little liberty for security. He deserves neither.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jul 2013

Ben "Fucking French Girls" Franklin

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
41. Yeah, he'll never have to worry about Putin's.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013

And he'll have all the civil liberties there too, that don't exist in the US.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
72. He's more worried about Obama's United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jul 2013

as well he should be. He appears to have committed serious crimes.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. He won't be safe from Pooty-Poot's, though!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jul 2013
http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/06/03/meet_russias_stealthy_skat_drone





According to Russia's state-owned Ria Novosti news agency:

Skat is designed to carry out strike missions on stationary targets, especially air defense systems in high-threat areas, as well as mobile land and sea targets.

Skat will operate in autonomous modes as well as in conjunction with other manned systems, MiG says.

A "flying wing" design, Skat has a projected weight of 10 tons, a two-ton payload, a range of 2,500 miles (4,000 km), a speed of 500 mph (800 km/h) and a ceiling of 36,000 feet (12,000 m).

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
99. Ah, so that's a droneski!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:19 PM
Jul 2013

What the Snowidealists don't get is that Putin will discard of him when he's done schlurping his laptops and having him explain it all to kind loving FSB agents.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
107. Well, a dronovich, or a dronovna...a dronski would be Polish....and they have them TOO!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120607/DEFREG01/306070004/Poland-Set-Up-New-UAV-Unit

It's like that Dylan song Emily Litella was telling me about .... Everybody Must Get Droned....!!!

As do the Chinese and most of Europe and Asia....

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
112. Da! Dylanova
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jul 2013

One upside of Snowden's big adventure, I've gained a huge interest in Russia. I need to start learning the language so thanks for lesson 1. Just some words, the grammar is daunting.

By the way check out this Russian expert, she's a bit too tinfoil but interesting. She pegged that Moscow would be the final destination a couple of weeks ago.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/07/guess-whose-idea-it-was-to-have-snowdens-airport-appearance.html

MADem

(135,425 posts)
132. Holy moly--big finish on that thang!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jul 2013
What follows -- and here's a real bonus for Greenwald-watchers -- is Shamir's expose of his correspondence with the Guardian and Greenwald about Shamir's supposedly false writings about Greenwald. Basically, Shamir accuses Greenwald of deliberately managing Snowden's hack of the NSA -- which of course has grave implications -- and complains that he forced poor Snowden to reveal his identity when the leet haxxor was supposedly reticent. He charges Greenwald with being an unscrupulous journalist only out to squeeze scandal out of Snowden and then toss him aside, whereas he, Shamir, by contrast, is opening up the arms of the peace-loving Russian people to take in the weary world wanderer.

Naturally, Greenwald vigorously denies any of this.

Well, who knows, like a broken clock, Shamir might be right twice a day.

Even Shamir asks what I ask -- why didn't Snowden just go to Venezuela first? The answer to that question indeed appears convoluted.
http://3dblogger.typepad.com/minding_russia/2013/07/guess-whose-idea-it-was-to-have-snowdens-airport-appearance.html

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
134. She's fun to follow, she's obsessed with getting to the bottom of
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jul 2013

the Assange, Poitras, Greenwald, Jacob Appelbaum conspiracy. Appelbaum is a heavy duty hacker who would have been able to set up the laptop/s for security and conceivably give advice about how to get documents. Appelbaum and Poitras are close and just co-authored the Der Spiegel article, so many coincidences

So far tying Applebaum to having been in Hawaii in April 2013 while he claimed not having met Snowden for another month.

In the video I posted of his recent talk in Germany Appelbaum is trying to talk that back but at the same time saying he's scared to be in the USA right now and will stay in Europe for now.

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/wired_state/

07/23/2013
Jacob Appelbaum's Data Trail

As noted, LibertyLynx received a link to a video of Jacob Appelbaum speaking in Germany at Digitale Gesellschaft on June 25, 2013 in which he admits that he was in Hawaii in April 2013 -- which as we know was the same time Edward Snowden was -- and then goes on to paint a picture of this as some kind of fantastic coincidence, i.e. that he hasn't now been caught out in a lie claiming he hadn't heard of Snowden before he was contacted by him in May over encrypted email with Laura Poitras' help.

Naturally, I don't believe him, for all sorts of reasons. One, because in my first encounters with him, I found him to be such a liar and such a thug, whistling for Anonymous to harass me because I kept calling out the propagandistic lies of WikiLeaks in the "Collateral Murder" video. Appelbaum, like so many WikiLeaks propagandists on day-old accounts on Twitter assigned to heckle bloggers, claimed falsely that American soldiers deliberately shot the children in the van in Iraq. I continued to challenge this as false, as they couldn't possibly see that the van had children in it, and there was absolutely nothing to support this narrative, which was concocted.

Then when I saw Appelbaum's other performances, either in person or on videos on Youtube, I saw what a fabulist and paranoic racconteur he was, and I really was skeptical.

On this story, he makes it sound as if the trip to Hawaii -- paid for by friends unknown -- was some kind of "dream come true" as if it were the fulfillment of a long-held wish.

But he was in Hawaii the year before doing the same thing, so it sounds odd to speak of the second (or next) trip as being this long-awaited wish fulfillment.

Here's the transcript -- where he describes the Hawaii story and then goes on to tell a Boston story:

To give you an example, I just turned 30 and now that I'm halfway to death I...I uh just kidding...you can't be halfway at 98%, but whatever happens it was murder...so...um...terrible...anyway...uh...I..I...I think it's important to understand this...right.

I'm in Berlin right now because I had the really fucking awful unfortunate mistake of for my whole life dreaming to go to Hawaii, to go swimming with mantarays and dolphins and like all this other like you know unicorns and rainbows and all that stuff, right? We didn't find any unicorns and rainbows; well, we actually found two rainbows but no unicorns. And uh, so I was in Hawaii in April for my 30th birthday. And 20 of my friends came. And it was like the most incredible thing I had ever experienced.

Like, if you want to feel loved, have 20 people fly for a really fucking long time to an island in the middle of an ocean, right, and to fly you there as a gift for your birthday. So I felt really loved and I felt like this is incredible, what a fantastic thing and what great friends, and I'm so lucky to have, you know, friends like this in my life.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
136. Hawaii is one of those states where it's not easy to just slide in and out.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jul 2013

I can take back roads and go to CT, or RI, or NH, or VT, and maybe escape notice if I borrow someone's car, splash mud on the license, and make sure I have enough gas to get back....but don't they check everyone coming in to HI to make sure they aren't smuggling a rabid dog in their hip pocket, or something? I haven't been there in years--and I didn't go to any of those vacation-y islands, I went to Oahu for work--so my first question is, WHICH island?

Did he go party on Maui-wowee like a vacationer going "to an island in the middle of the ocean" to see rainbows and unicorns or did he go to a rather congested island that is Quickie Tourist and Business, and military, and ... NSA ... combined?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
140. I suppose there's a record of his trip
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jul 2013

and it's not because of the NSA, it's his frequent flyer miles account.

Even super duper subversive guys like Appelbaum like to get their FF miles!

edit: but we'd have to get someone to hack it, that's probably not all that hard

revmclaren

(2,579 posts)
92. Of course its a defection!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jul 2013

But not so well planned out. Snowden thought he would end up in China, but was thwarted by circumstance. Now he will sell out the US for 'thirty pieces of silver' in the form of what Russia considers personal comfort and safety. Bet the NSA data is being drooled over by Russia's spy agencies as I type this. Next few weeks will show the truth. Many here wont accept the truth though....SAD!



 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. what a lazy man..
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jul 2013

Won't even TRY a great escape to Latin America?

Come on dude- You are known as super spy of the World. You are a PRO hacker I hear! Don't let your fans down, go out with a bang not a wimper living on the outskirts of Moscow getting fat on salo

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
11. The campaign -edit: for his flight - to raise $ has $375 and needs 200,000!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

So maybe it is a financial decision!

You can figure he gave up information, same happened with Oswald in the 1960s.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
19. Or move to a closet and get an RT tv show
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jul 2013

though Wikileaks is bleeding $ even with the l'affaire Snowden

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
139. They don't give me credit for
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:23 AM
Jul 2013

supporting the Cornish Liberation Army!

They are not an authoritarian outfit, Greenwald would approve!

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
15. Some of his biggest supporters should go join him.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jul 2013

I wouldn't want them to live under a "fascist state" any longer than they have to.

Maybe they move out into the middle of snowy Siberia and start Snowdentown and officially declare it a sister city of the now defunct Jonestown.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
18. Watch Russia become the new Greenrandian vacation hotspot!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jul 2013

They'll come back wearing Putin t-shirts. Da!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
94. Doesn't really change the fact that RT is Russian state-run media...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jul 2013

and while their international reporting is very good, everything they report does have to be glimpsed through a lens of "How does this benefit the Russian government to report this?"

Honestly, everybody should be as critical of a viewer of any media. Media-reported objective truth is rarely objective or truth.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
39. 2013 would call...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jul 2013

But Putin probably locked her up for being a gay musician or running against him in an election.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
47. Your association of my post with "I <3 Putin and Russia" speaks volumes
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jul 2013

After all, everyone who has even a modicum of respect for Snowden must love Putin and everything he's done.

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
49. Good. We await your criticism of Russia and Putin. Have it on our desk anytime...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jul 2013

within the next 6 months. No rush!

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
80. Ah Russia, that bastion of Libertarianism
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jul 2013

I see he didn't try to flee to a real Libertarian utopia like Somalia. Funny how quick that guy was willing to give up liberty for a little bit of security. Guess there's a difference when it's his own ass on the line.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,257 posts)
85. "Funny how quick that guy was willing to give up liberty for a little bit of security."
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:16 PM
Jul 2013

Thread Winner!

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
21. Explains Greenwald's 'I'm fearing for my life' narrative now.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

It would be hard for him to continue his vendetta against a democratically elected government in favor of Libertarian insanity if Russia grants Snowden asylum on the understanding that he keeps his mouth shut. Oh, man, and that book deal. Glenn better figure out a way to jump that Geraldo Rivera train to nowhere.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
127. Is that the jerk's latest? That he is fearing for his life?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:31 PM
Jul 2013

I guess the donors are slipping. Gotta ratchet it up. Copywriters are working around the clock.

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Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
75. America has a place for most people, unlike Russia.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jul 2013

One would advise moderates/liberals to stay away from country music/evangelicals.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
77. True, but...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jul 2013

Moderates/liberals are being squeezed out and abused here as well, by both political party's.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
26. Smart guy. If he settled in Yemen or Pakistan we could kill him.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jul 2013

I doubt we would send drones into Russia, but if we did, I am guessing some would be ok with it.

Funny how that works.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
59. Yeah we know Russia uses radiation poison against its press...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jul 2013

wonder if Snowman bought his plutonium proof undies with him?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. People take notice
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

There are some on this thread who are more than willing to sell the constitution for a few moments of glee.

These are the kinds of people who are at the heart of the rot in this country.

"America, love it or leave it" is their motto. "Bend over and take it" is their meme.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
36. Nah, we're just paying attention to what was actually leaked
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jul 2013

instead of where people ran off to with accusations.

The only program Snowden leaked that 'targeted' US citizens is the phone metadata program....which is information that belongs to the phone companies and is already sold to marketers without asking us. Kinda hard to call that a privacy invasion.

All the rest of the "spying on Americans!!!!" claims are not backed up with what Snowden actually leaked.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
29. Expected more defenders of Snowden's right to defect to Mother Russia!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013

C'mon people ya'll are slacking

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
34. No, probably worried about the safety of any flight he would take
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jul 2013

It is not all too rare that the US will kill innocent people to get one man.

And if you think otherwise please explain the many deaths of civilians in two countries we are not at war with who have been killed by the US.

Of course some would still say, "We would never do that" and turn their head to when we have.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
38. I have never agreed with these kill Snowden theories
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jul 2013

or in the conspiracy pushed by Bolivia about blocking that flight though there was something going on it never reached those proportions.

Snowden can leave if he wants but he has made a deal with Russia in my opinion. They'll use him. After that they may dump him.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
40. That, though, is not the point
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jul 2013

The point is that we DO kill innocent people in other countries to get to ones we don't like.

*IF* they did the same to Snowden would you and others object then? Or just pass over it as business as usual and don't talk about it because it makes Obama look bad?

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
56. There is no upside for killing him, it makes no sense
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jul 2013

I'd say they want him to stand trial to expose others who helped him gain access beyond his ability.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
57. You would think they would want the same
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jul 2013

For the perps in other countries - but they don't want to question them, just kill em.

And if he did stand trial, and it was a public one? Could you imagine what might be revealed?

Naw, they want him quiet. If they arrest him he would be in solitary and away from prying eyes.

I don't trust our government further than I can throw them anymore....

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
65. Possibly
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jul 2013

But I don't live and vote there, and I don't expect them to be using private companies here in the US to spy on me.

But apparently some don't have a problem with that here.

Betting if the same thing was going on over there folks would think it was big brother like (hell, I remember back in the 70's and 80's our view here of the Russians were that they were big brother and monitored everything their people did and we didn't like that idea...funny how some seem ok with it here now)

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
67. "possibly"? My Aunt Fanny!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jul 2013

You are conflating those who oppose Snowden with support for domestic surveillance again. Two different issues.... Snowden has not revealed anything and now wants Russian assylum?

Poor poor baby.....you bet on the wrong horse.

Do you think Russia will EVER let this man unmonitored to access the internet ever again?

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
33. Story picked up by Business Insider -- Snowden will be a live in Leaker
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

** These sentences say it all. Snowden's lawyer is Russian State Security - FSB - and they'll packaging this or have convinced Eddie that his security is at stake. Now they have a live in Leaker to help them undermine the USA.

---

Kucherena, who sits on public council of the FSB, has been cpeaking for Snowden since July 12, the day Snowden accepted all offers for support and asylum.

“We must understand that security is the number one issue in his case," Kucherena told RT. "I think the process of adaptation will take some time. It’s an understandable process as he doesn’t know the Russian language, our customs, and our laws.”



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/snowdens-moscow-lawyer-nsa-leaker-is-planning-to-live-in-russia-and-get-a-job-2013-7#ixzz2ZtMs8nY6

 

AllINeedIsCoffee

(772 posts)
37. Two of my favorite comments from RT:
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jul 2013


Those were probably from extremists here in the U.S. The rest were Russians saying he should stay in the transit zone or be kicked out of the country.

BeyondGeography

(39,395 posts)
48. But they will never get their hands on his data!!!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jul 2013

It sucks to be Ed. Once he settled on this path, he should have confined his leaking to domestic surveillance, claimed civil disobedience status and given himself up. He even could have done this from another country if he wanted to and still gotten off with a relatively minimal sentence. The personal happiness record of US exiles in Russia is awful; articles have been posted here about it, i.e.:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/snowden-may-wish-he-went-to-jail-in-america-if-he-accepts-putins-offer-of-russian-exile/

BeyondGeography

(39,395 posts)
95. One of the blanks he'll have to fill in
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jul 2013

It's hard to discern what the plan was. He obviously liked Hong Kong or he wouldn't have started there. This whole enterprise started to feel very improvised when he left there, apparently after being told he wouldn't have access to a computer for up to two years while his extradition case worked its way through the courts.

I think the truth is there was no well thought-out plan and that we're dealing with a young man who underestimated the degree of personal difficulties he would face as a result of his behavior. Which is something that happens to a lot of young men who are overly sure of themselves and the rightness of their cause.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,257 posts)
98. His father started out blaming Wikileaks, and began walking that back when they provided legal.....
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jul 2013

assistance. As you say, there may not have been a plan past Hong Kong, and I find that incredibly naive.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
103. I'm sure he's having a rough time with his son's decision
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

Though he may live longer in Russia than in Venezuela.. unless of course he encounter Olga.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
109. I think he's lucky to some extent
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

as long as he's not subjected to too much torture at least he'll live in Moscow.

In South America he might have been killed by whatever party cared to go after him for intel, $ and security wouldn't be as tight.

BeyondGeography

(39,395 posts)
116. The USSR was suckier, but it did offer the promise/illusion of a safer harbor
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:35 PM
Jul 2013

What happens if/when Putin is replaced by a more pro-American leader (which wouldn't be difficult)? He will be looking over his shoulder forever, imo. That's a lot to consider with 45-50 years to go in his life.

I just can't believe all the extra damage he did to himself by releasing info on our foreign activities. He would have been in a much better place if he had confined himself to domestic surveillance, which is far and away the main issue he had an impact on anyway.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
142. The wikileaks lawyer that is with him, she has 2 sisters living in HOng Kong.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jul 2013

I thought that was coincidentally interesting.

 

MjolnirTime

(1,800 posts)
50. Spy flees to Russia and stays there. Apologists claim Russia's not so bad after all.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jul 2013

Despite their horrific Human Rights record.
And the extremely limited Civil Liberties.

But it's all ok as long as they shelter Eddie.

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
54. That's Comrade Eddie
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jul 2013

of the great human rights lovink Rooshian Republik.

This could only get better if he marries Anna Chapman!

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
63. This commie fear-mongering is embarrassing to DU
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jul 2013

It's outdated and silly, Senator McCarthy, and borders on bigotry towards the people of Russia. Oh, I'm sorry "Rooshia"


flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
66. LOL so you're excusing Mother Russia for her human rights record
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jul 2013

just because it might be commie bashing as you have connected it (ps they're not commies now)

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
70. Please unwind from the pretzel you've found yourself twisted into
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jul 2013

and make some sense! What is this statement meant to be about exactly?

leftstreet

(36,119 posts)
71. Why don't you talk about your feeeeelwings?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jul 2013

Do you have a sad because you think Snowden is making Obama look like a poopyhead?

Let it all out



flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
74. I think it's a laugh riot that Snowden the Libertarian is now a Putin boy
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jul 2013

and if you think he's not divulging secrets to save his behind you're deluded.

revmclaren

(2,579 posts)
105. You are so very right.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jul 2013

I'm laughing MYSELF silly knowing that there are those on DU who actually think Snowden is being offered asylum free of charge...no strings attached. And Snowden will be laughing all the way to the банк. (that's Russian for bank. A word that I'm sure he knows well or will know soon enough)

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
73. Russia, where gays are persecuted and women are expected
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jul 2013

to stay home and bear children. Perhaps Snowden will join a lecture series with Whore Patriarch kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church on the evils of homosexuality and women's liberation.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. He'll be running a GEEK SQUAD division in no time!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think he'll be offered any "KGB-ish" employment...he's just not reliable that way.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
79. work? his resume and references must be interesting, given the fact he stole from his last employer
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jul 2013

and doesn't seem to have done anything for more than a short period of time.

revmclaren

(2,579 posts)
86. The comrad Snowdinski fanclub
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jul 2013

has some soul searching and 'splaining to do. Unless they accept this as being an 'acceptable' government!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/photos-from-russia-everyone-needs-to-see

Just one of hundreds of links on the web to mother Russia's 'De-MOCK-racy'. Search engines are fun and informative too. USE THEM!

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
100. Indeed. A de-mock-racy, Putin does what he wants
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jul 2013

and if he wanted Snowden gone he'd issue him passage documents and arrange transportation.

So clear it's about other objectives.

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
90. With his qualifications and education,
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jul 2013

I'd suggest the Moscow McDonald's store. They always seem to be hiring. In a few months, he could rise to an Assistant Manager's position.

You want fries with that?

flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
114. That's great! I really didn't know that Makdonalski had made headway there
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

Perrrfect job for Snowden! Not much Russian needed. Macova and Cheeski

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
91. Whatever happened to Sara Harrison, his sherpa from Wikileaks
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jul 2013

Has she resurfaced in London? Does she have a visa to enter Russia with Snowden?

Her role seems to have been taken by Kucherana.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
120. Whatever happened to his 'fish out of water' Lindsay Mills?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jul 2013

Snowden doesn't seem like he cares much about family, either.

OTOH, he's probably only floating this as a way to increase the odds he'll be granted asylum.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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flamingdem

(39,337 posts)
141. Yes, we can't have too much fun thinking of his life in Russia
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jul 2013

when it could be a smoke screen to get asylum and then he'll boogie outtathere to Brazil or wherever.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
125. Because his BFF Glenn told him, no doubt.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
115. Time to marry the hot spy chick..
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:34 PM
Jul 2013

That way the movie can be a love story. If it ends with him staying in Russia on some sort of visa the movie is gonna suck.



revmclaren

(2,579 posts)
118. Time to put on the tinfoil hat for a moment...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013


Maybe they didn't catch all the sleeper spies a few years back! Maybe this isn't an asylum
offer but more of a welcome back comrade thingy!

OK...hat's off...sanity returning....


 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
119. But wouldn't he have tried to stay undercover
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jul 2013

and learn more secrets for the Russian government?

Going public at age 29 doesn't make much sense for a sleeper agent. Think of where he might be by age 50 if he had kept that job.


revmclaren

(2,579 posts)
124. Remember...tinfoil hat!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jul 2013

But for arguments sake, he may have been on the NSAs radar for a while and decided to get the hell out of dodge before being arrested. And this way, the Russian government isn't exposed. Neat and tidy!



Damn...cant get the friggen thing off...



That's better!

pnwmom

(109,025 posts)
138. Daniel Ellsberg spent no time in an American prison.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jul 2013

Of course, he didn't leak information about our international spy agencies spying on foreign countries . . . .

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
143. No, he didn't serve time because the prosecution so blatantly illegally obtained evidence
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 01:49 AM
Jul 2013

that it forced the judge to declare a mistrial and dismiss the case with prejudice.

Were it not for that, Ellsberg could have been sentenced to close to 115 years.

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