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kpete

(72,046 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:36 AM Jul 2013

Clarence Thomas "Outraged" by Treatment of His Nephew

The Supreme Court recently refused to hear the case of a pregnant woman who was repeatedly tasered by Seattle police during a routine traffic stop simply because she refused to sign a speeding ticket. The Rutherford Institute

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/whatever_happened_to_justice_supreme_court_oks_police_tasering_pregnan

Clarence Thomas "Outraged" by Treatment of His Nephew
—By Jean Casella and James Ridgeway| Wed Jul. 14, 2010 2:13 PM PDT

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was reportedly "completely shocked and outraged" when he learned that his nephew, who suffers from epilepsy and was reportedly suicidal, was beaten and tased with a stun gun at a Louisiana hospital—apparently, for nothing more than some unruly behavior.

"Outraged" we can understand: What happened to 24-year-old Derek Thomas does qualify as outrageous. According to an account on Raw Story:

Derek Thomas was admitted to West Jefferson Hospital in Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, Thursday, after a possible suicide attempt, reports ABC affiliate WGNO.

When the Supreme Court justice's nephew refused to put on a hospital gown and said he wanted to leave the hospital, doctors ordered security to restrain him.

Security guards "punched him in his lip, pulled out more than a fistful of his dreadlocks and tasered him to restrain him," a statement from Thomas' family said.

Shortly afterwards, family members say, Thomas suffered a "massive epileptic seizure."




Still, there's no reason why Justice Thomas should be "shocked" that such a thing could happen. As one of the nine highest placed individuals in the U.S. Justice system, he should know that these things—and much worse—happen every day to Americans who suffer from mental illness.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/07/clarence-thomas-nephew
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Clarence Thomas "Outraged" by Treatment of His Nephew (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
That IS outrageous! They tased the wrong Thomas! 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #1
Badda bing! nt valerief Jul 2013 #29
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Jul 2013 #58
S--T--F--U Clarence! kentuck Jul 2013 #2
Must have felt odd to him tavernier Jul 2013 #3
Welcome to the real world, Uncle Thomas. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #4
Well played...well played. KeepItReal Jul 2013 #13
congrats good o ne elehhhhna Jul 2013 #16
+100. (nt) Paladin Jul 2013 #24
+1000 Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #28
There we go. closeupready Jul 2013 #38
This will just make him want to hurt more people BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #5
He grew up in Georgia...and so he should have known..but, he distanced KoKo Jul 2013 #30
We know as of the Voting Rights Act ruling that the awakening is still very much in waiting n/t BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #33
As those in power experience what we plebs do, it is enlightening. May he learn and that is really uppityperson Jul 2013 #6
You mean he actually said something? Fawke Em Jul 2013 #7
Tazing is fine with this guy until it affects his own family - then it's bad. Got it. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #8
Typical GOP approach to life. City Lights Jul 2013 #14
I guess the sub-text here would be ... surrealAmerican Jul 2013 #9
Ain't Karma a bitch... joeybee12 Jul 2013 #10
He still won't connect the dots to see what a sell-out he's been. polichick Jul 2013 #11
He's just outraged it happened to someone in his family. Lone_Star_Dem Jul 2013 #12
The SCOTUS had a chance to do something about this for good. They passed on it. matthews Jul 2013 #15
thanks for that. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #37
We were lucky that they let the verdict of the Ninth stand (I thought). matthews Jul 2013 #39
I remember when that happened BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #17
prolly aoutraged that they didn't just shoot this useless eater elehhhhna Jul 2013 #18
The nephew obviously needs compassion; JitterbugPerfume Jul 2013 #19
This from the article is very disturbing... KoKo Jul 2013 #34
Good god. People and jailers haven't been able to Ilsa Jul 2013 #40
a 3 inch by 3 inch cage? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #47
What an evil POS he is! JitterbugPerfume Jul 2013 #50
Good fucking god! Scootaloo Jul 2013 #52
His nephew? Wouldn't that make him Uncle Thomas? KamaAina Jul 2013 #20
Too bad the nephew got what his uncle so richly deserves. n/t UtahLib Jul 2013 #21
Did Scalia grant him permission to be outraged? nt eissa Jul 2013 #22
I'm not shocked that Thomas is shocked, Thomas is really really stupid uponit7771 Jul 2013 #23
Justice Thomas Should Re-read His Dissent in Hudson TheOther95Percent Jul 2013 #25
Wow - Clarence is a rank stanking hyprocrite. How perfectly Republican. Berlum Jul 2013 #26
Clarence Thomas John2 Jul 2013 #44
Yes, big surprise. TheOther95Percent Jul 2013 #54
Thomas would have been unable to marry his current wife in his home state Major Nikon Jul 2013 #61
thanks for that. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #36
You're very welcome. TheOther95Percent Jul 2013 #55
Rec your post. nt Ilsa Jul 2013 #42
Thank You. TheOther95Percent Jul 2013 #56
Coulda been worse for the Thomas Family 90-percent Jul 2013 #27
Definition of a liberal: Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #31
Conservatives: "we only care about shit when it happens to us." n/t Yavin4 Jul 2013 #32
i'm outraged that the court has enabled such things. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #35
I doubt that he actually has an empathy at all TheAmbivalante Jul 2013 #41
Well, well, Clarence gets a glimpse. Priceless! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #43
I'm sorry this innocent man was hurt. I can Ilsa Jul 2013 #45
they have the pull to get justice for their own. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #46
I feel sorry for his son, but not Thomas himself sakabatou Jul 2013 #48
Imagine if your nephew was named Trayvon, Uncle Thomas. jessie04 Jul 2013 #49
Justice Clarence Thomas has spoken with his every ruling of his utter contempt for the people indepat Jul 2013 #51
Welcome to the real world, Justice Thomas. ck4829 Jul 2013 #53
Well, CLarence, still think we are post-racial America? muntrv Jul 2013 #57
Clarence Thomas is a piece of shit RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #59
Yes, these things happen in hospitals. Trillo Jul 2013 #60
I hope this is the beginning of the awakening of Justice Clarence Thomas Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #62

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. He grew up in Georgia...and so he should have known..but, he distanced
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

himself from it all...in some deluded way. This nephew must be from a part of the family he doesn't associate much with...since he and his wife live totally differently in the "DC Insider Beltway Bubble of privilege.

Anyway...I feel sad for his nephew and the circumstances and maybe the kid's family did as well as Clarence has....but Clarence forgetting what he saw around him growing up has gotten an awakening, hopefully...but, probably not.

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
6. As those in power experience what we plebs do, it is enlightening. May he learn and that is really
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

too bad about the nephew.

surrealAmerican

(11,369 posts)
9. I guess the sub-text here would be ...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jul 2013

... "but only because it's his nephew." He's never had any problem with other people's nephews being treated that way.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
10. Ain't Karma a bitch...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jul 2013

Poor kid though, on the receiving end of Karma's kick in the ass meant for his uncle.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
12. He's just outraged it happened to someone in his family.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jul 2013

This sort of thing is only supposed to be done to those who he doesn't hold dear. It's a common hypocrisy of the elite, powerful and influential. I don't expect this will change anything as to his views on the rest of us.

I'm sorry his nephew had to suffer through that. It's a horrific thing to do to someone in his condition.

I wonder how long before the nephew receives a discrete and substantial settlement?

 

matthews

(497 posts)
15. The SCOTUS had a chance to do something about this for good. They passed on it.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

Supreme Court Dodges Cases Testing Boundaries Of Taser Use

May 29 2012 5:27 PM


The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday refused to wade into cases that tested the limits of Taser stun gun use by law enforcement officials, allowing a ruling to stand that said police had used excessive force when they used the weapon on two women.

http://www.ibtimes.com/supreme-court-dodges-cases-testing-boundaries-taser-use-700547

 

matthews

(497 posts)
39. We were lucky that they let the verdict of the Ninth stand (I thought).
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

I was surprised they went against the police officers in that case and didn't take up the case.

But it was a pleasant surprise

BumRushDaShow

(129,995 posts)
17. I remember when that happened
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jul 2013

yet here it is 3 years later and he hasn't done a damn thing but sit there like a zombie during arguments, asking no questions, and writing 1 page briefs while collecting a check.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
18. prolly aoutraged that they didn't just shoot this useless eater
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jul 2013

he's a cold mofo, uncle Thomas is

JitterbugPerfume

(18,183 posts)
19. The nephew obviously needs compassion;
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:26 PM
Jul 2013

Do not judge him by his uncles actions.


Clarence Thomas needs to STFU about this issue, he has blood all over his hands.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. This from the article is very disturbing...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jul 2013
As we wrote earlier this week, the St. Tammany Parish Jail in Covington, Louisiana—which is just 50 miles north of the hospital where Derek Thomas suffered his abuse—has come up with a novel "solution" to the problem of suicidal inmates. It places them in 3" x 3" cages, half-naked and without bedding, a toilet, or anything else they might use to do themselves in. Some have remained in the cages for weeks or even months. The ACLU of Louisiana is fighting for their release, but have so far been unsuccessful.

Clarence Thomas has yet to protest the torture of St. Tammany Parish's suicidal prisoners—or of any prisoners at all, for that matter. As New York Times Supreme Court reporter Linda Greenhouse wrote earlier this year, Clarence Thomas has never once sided with a prisoner who claimed violation of the Eighth Amendment's guarantee against cruel and unusual punishment. This included a case where "a guard had responded to [a prisoner's] request for a grievance form by slamming him onto the concrete floor and then punching, kicking and choking him until another guard pulled the attacker off," and another where an inmate "had been handcuffed to a hitching post and left to stand shirtless in the sun for seven hours without water or bathroom breaks." Thomas has said that the framers of the Constitution “simply did not conceive of the Eighth Amendment as protecting inmates from harsh treatment.”

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
40. Good god. People and jailers haven't been able to
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

See the inhumanity of this? The perpetrators of this treatment should be jailed.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
52. Good fucking god!
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jul 2013

Anyone who comes up with or administers these "methods" should be forced to undergo it themselves.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
25. Justice Thomas Should Re-read His Dissent in Hudson
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013

In this case, a prison inmate suffered injuries to his teeth caused by a beating administered by prison guards.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0503_0001_ZD.html

Justice O'Connor's Opinion

This case requires us to decide whether the use of excessive physical force against a prisoner may constitute cruel and unusual punishment when the inmate does not suffer serious injury. We answer that question in the affirmative.

I

At the time of the incident that is the subject of this suit, petitioner Keith Hudson was an inmate at the state penitentiary in Angola, Louisiana. Respondents Jack McMillian, Marvin Woods, and Arthur Mezo served as corrections security officers at the Angola facility. During the early morning hours of October 30, 1983, Hudson and McMillian argued. Assisted by Woods, McMillian then placed Hudson in handcuffs and shackles, took the prisoner out of his cell, and walked him toward the penitentiary's "administrative lockdown" area. Hudson testified that, on the way there, McMillian punched Hudson in the mouth, eyes, chest, and stomach, while Woods held the inmate in place and kicked and punched him from behind. He further testified that Mezo, the supervisor on duty, watched the beating, but merely told the officers "not to have too much fun." App. 23. As a result of this episode, Hudson suffered minor bruises and swelling of his face, mouth, and lip. The blows also loosened Hudson's teeth and cracked his partial dental plate, rendering it unusable for several months.

The Dissent From Thomas

In my view, a use of force that causes only insignificant harm to a prisoner may be immoral, it may be tortious, it may be criminal, and it may even be remediable under other provisions of the Federal Constitution, but it is not "cruel and unusual punishment." In concluding to the contrary, the Court today goes far beyond our precedents.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
44. Clarence Thomas
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

acts like he is an angry man and it seems to be at Liberals. That is why the Republicans like him and he doesn't even recognize that he was only selected to be on the court was because of Republican's own version of Affirmative Action.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
54. Yes, big surprise.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jul 2013

Delaware, yes Delaware, is the only state, I believe, that still allows flogging for some 20 different crimes. No one in Delaware has been sentenced to be flogged in 60 years. I'm quite sure if someone was sentenced tomorrow to be flogged, Justice Thomas would not deem it a violation of the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
61. Thomas would have been unable to marry his current wife in his home state
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

...had the Supreme court not struck down anti-miscegenation laws.

Thomas dissented on the DOMA decision.

So yeah, he's just another hypocritical wingnut.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
56. Thank You.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:43 PM
Jul 2013

Justice Thomas is one of the worst, if not the worst, justices to ever serve on the Supreme Court. The competition for worst justice is steep.

 

TheAmbivalante

(114 posts)
41. I doubt that he actually has an empathy at all
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

If he does, I hope he feels pain and anguish and hatred. And I hope it never goes away. Because he made his own pain.

The police state that Thomas ruled into existence by placing Bush in office led to Homeland Security, which led to police being paramilitary authority, which elevated the use of force in just about any situation where a voice is raised.

Welcome to the America you helped build, Clarence.
Oh, and fuck you, and for that matter, your entire extended family.
Feel the pain, bitch.

Ilsa

(61,712 posts)
45. I'm sorry this innocent man was hurt. I can
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jul 2013

only hope this episode in Thomas' family life will serve to inform all of them of the inhumanity the poor, the disabled, and mentally ill must deal with. But I doubt it will change them one bit.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
51. Justice Clarence Thomas has spoken with his every ruling of his utter contempt for the people
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:33 PM
Jul 2013

of the United States, its institutions, its Constitution, and its other founding principles imo. Sorry, Justice Thomas, your chickens have a way of coming to roost and the seeds you have sown on the American landscape are bearing your odious fruit.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
60. Yes, these things happen in hospitals.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:40 PM
Jul 2013

It's one reason among many that a hospital is the last place some of us would like to die.

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