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You know what? Fuck royalty (Original Post) quinnox Jul 2013 OP
Fuck the news that can't talk about more important matters NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1
They are simply Leeches warrant46 Jul 2013 #63
And yet this post got more replies than: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #70
And this is something we need to change NoOneMan Jul 2013 #71
Meh, as I said in my own thread earlier it is not all bad The Straight Story Jul 2013 #72
Hey, at least I'm staying on topic for once! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #93
Zero to Godwin in 1 post. That must be some new record. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #2
LOL aristocles Jul 2013 #3
Yep. Pretty amazing. TDale313 Jul 2013 #4
I think it is. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #6
I actually Laughed Out Loud wercal Jul 2013 #8
Vichy had a Godwin, too. dogknob Jul 2013 #80
Hey, you won't get any flack from me about that! IrishAyes Jul 2013 #5
lol, yeah like your going to get jailed for holding that sign loli phabay Jul 2013 #7
Holding up that sign anywhere on British soil has been officially declared a hate crime IrishAyes Jul 2013 #24
piffle, luckily the younger generation laughs at viewpoints like yours, if yoir heroes are the PIRA loli phabay Jul 2013 #28
They made it LAW IrishAyes Jul 2013 #38
Your posts sound oddly cliche, as if they were part of some performance piece. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #47
its more a piece of bigotry, worse than you see on the falls road, at least that you can get loli phabay Jul 2013 #73
How quickly you rush to condemn what you don't know. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #83
So says a poster who apparently supports British imperialism IrishAyes Jul 2013 #88
lol i know sectarian bile when i see it, and i you are full of it. loli phabay Jul 2013 #89
Nah, I just enjoy pulling your leg when you stick it out at me. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #97
Well, I'd try to simplify things farther so you could understand, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #74
sectarian bigotry at its finest, glad you wont live to see or have any part in what is to come loli phabay Jul 2013 #75
What I revel in IrishAyes Jul 2013 #85
The Down survey of Ireland is cited on DU in the Ancestry/Genealogy Forum No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #76
Digress all you want. I'm interested. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #94
Just thought I'd throw that in, as it gives credence that all of Ireland's troubles No Vested Interest Jul 2013 #108
Dear loli, child, IrishAyes Jul 2013 #82
lol go ahead as your full of bs, in fact pm me your lawyers number and i will even call him and loli phabay Jul 2013 #86
Wouldn't be a problem with that - just add 2 Big Mac meals to the poster. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #10
rofl, i have no idea what woo the poster thinks about political discourse in the uk loli phabay Jul 2013 #15
Twist my words however you like. You don't define me. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #91
braw tale there. loli phabay Jul 2013 #92
Glad you enjoyed it, though sadly it's nothing unusual IrishAyes Jul 2013 #96
Genocide = Potato famine? wercal Jul 2013 #14
It's a contest? Wednesdays Jul 2013 #55
Not a contest.... wercal Jul 2013 #66
Far, far more than just the potato famine. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #98
Whoa there cowboy wercal Jul 2013 #103
Sorry, that wasn't my intent. I may well owe you a degree of apology there. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #109
On the potato famine... HubertHeaver Jul 2013 #60
Anyone who thinks this must also think Pol Pot was a cool guy. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #9
In fact, according to you, they're worse. nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #11
I could not be less interested. tblue Jul 2013 #12
I agree, Princess Di was great and a good ambassador to the people quinnox Jul 2013 #16
Damn ... Hitler, Princess Diana, and John Nance Garner all in one thread. You're on a roll! 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #29
I'm enjoying the feedback quinnox Jul 2013 #30
Hell, I'm enjoying the whole thread! Unlike some irony-impaired individuals, you did not ... 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #69
Quinnox has provided us an evening of fun. IrishAyes Jul 2013 #99
Fuck that murderer Zimmerman. HappyMe Jul 2013 #13
+++ AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #90
You know what ? dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #17
and that is cool with me quinnox Jul 2013 #21
Don't agree with you often, but I do on this one. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #18
This was Her Majesty's response last time someone posted this: Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #19
LOL treestar Jul 2013 #87
To the Tower Of London you will go! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #20
lol quinnox Jul 2013 #22
LOL, people here whine about the 1% but worship Royalty! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #25
Doesn't quite make sense, does it? IrishAyes Jul 2013 #40
Remember... typeviic Jul 2013 #23
Wrong verb. Coyotl Jul 2013 #26
F the royals, loookkk at me! n/t UtahLib Jul 2013 #27
You say 'fuck royalty' and I have to ask, does an Earl count? No pun intended.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #31
like the whole concept in general quinnox Jul 2013 #33
Well that changes the whole thing. Actual fucking is not really involved at all.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #48
At least they're not dicks. They could be. tridim Jul 2013 #32
A baby was born. That baby has no clue he's royalty. DevonRex Jul 2013 #34
I have to give you credit for the last line quinnox Jul 2013 #37
Thank you. DevonRex Jul 2013 #39
I like your descriptions about this quinnox Jul 2013 #41
Thousands are born each day. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #44
I don't believe there should DevonRex Jul 2013 #62
Yes, the little prince IS blameless at this point IrishAyes Jul 2013 #102
Thomas Jefferson et al agreed with you! davepc Jul 2013 #35
Agree, he was one smart guy! quinnox Jul 2013 #36
Didn't our ancestors fight a war so we wouldn't have to worship these clowns? RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #42
Yeah, now Americans can worship The Kardashians and The American Idol winner Tx4obama Jul 2013 #65
I certainly have some strong feelings against it. Puglover Jul 2013 #43
Oh, come on....it's a harmless guilty pleasure, like enjoying a Capenter's song all american girl Jul 2013 #45
maybe my OP came on too strong quinnox Jul 2013 #46
I was being a bit silly, and I didn't think it was too strong. all american girl Jul 2013 #50
Maybe it came on too strong? TDale313 Jul 2013 #54
We can't be friends leftstreet Jul 2013 #51
Shhhhhhh, don't tell anyone....guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure all american girl Jul 2013 #53
Good way to describe it. I felt it was like a little coffee break in the middle of a hard, intense calimary Jul 2013 #104
are there DUers who have suggested royalty is "more special or better than" other people? onenote Jul 2013 #49
Royals are inbred WovenGems Jul 2013 #52
Yep. OnionPatch Jul 2013 #116
There are a bunch of Pre-Magna Carta "Royalists" at DU. bvar22 Jul 2013 #56
yup, you picked up on the same things I was thinkin' quinnox Jul 2013 #61
Most people in England seem to like it just fine.... Little Star Jul 2013 #57
I agree, they don't possess any special talent or skill Wednesdays Jul 2013 #58
we fought a war so we wouldn't have to care about a happy, healthy newborn. LanternWaste Jul 2013 #59
I like it and enjoy it. We Aussies know that it's just for show. BlueJazz Jul 2013 #64
Wow. That's edgy and original thinking Common Sense Party Jul 2013 #67
No biggie; they're little more than Mascots of State anymore. eShirl Jul 2013 #68
So, they are the San Diego Chickens of England? FSogol Jul 2013 #114
I would love to! William769 Jul 2013 #77
You'll have to get in line.... Little Star Jul 2013 #113
I thought this thread was going to be about the Kardashians. npk Jul 2013 #78
Wouldn't that make you royally fucked? pintobean Jul 2013 #79
Don't be speakin' ill of your betters, guvnuh, or the bloody crown'll be hangin' your Zorra Jul 2013 #81
R#19 & K for, THAT's why we are *democrats* (small "d") - I don't get ROYALTY/parasites!1 n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #84
It is pretty silly. They are famous and practically worshipped cause their ancestors where monarchs? Incitatus Jul 2013 #95
"Pomp Without Power" lynne Jul 2013 #100
I love how CNN talked about how CNN doesn't understand the big deal. joshcryer Jul 2013 #101
I agree. all this regal baby stuff is annoying. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #105
Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody 'til they're all the same color. Kennah Jul 2013 #106
lol! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #107
I'd rather have the Queen as head of state than some moron like Bush... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Jul 2013 #111
... Major Nikon Jul 2013 #112
You know what? That's how Kate's baby was conceived. Martin Eden Jul 2013 #115
 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
1. Fuck the news that can't talk about more important matters
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jul 2013

Fuck their audience that makes this subject the most profitable to air

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
70. And yet this post got more replies than:
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jul 2013

Exclusive: Leaked Pakistani report confirms high civilian death toll in CIA drone strikes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312863

How the NSA is Using Cell Phone Data to Drone Civilians (In Pakistan)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312978

GlaxoSmithKline says China executives have broken law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312846

Fukushima plant admits radioactive water leaked to sea
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312760

And that is just crap I posted (looking over 4 pages of DU plenty of other interesting things posted).

And while I am sure you read and posted in plenty of those threads today and other we really can't complain about human nature and the things in the news when here on DU it is pretty much the same, if not a reflection of, the news other people are talking about.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
71. And this is something we need to change
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jul 2013

How do we change that? I thought some shit stirring in trivial threads (going to the source) could wake some people up. It just gets them more defensive. How do you make people care about important matters? Definitely not by pissing on their parades.

We probably can't. Everything is sliding into hell so we ought to just forget about it anyway. Hopefully whoever is left wont be so enthralled by gossip posing as news.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
72. Meh, as I said in my own thread earlier it is not all bad
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jul 2013

part of who we are, etc.

Just funny that people complain about coverage on the one hand and do pretty much the same thing on the other.

Human interests stories are called what they are for a reason and we all like some cool and different things to talk about (like dogs saving cats).

Nothing wrong with it imho, just find it funny how some people (in this thread for example) can complain about the coverage while ignoring and kicking themselves serious stories.

People at the networks are not dumb, they know what sells, and reading over DU these many years I can tell as well.

And it ain't things of real substance most the time

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
93. Hey, at least I'm staying on topic for once!
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:24 PM
Jul 2013
How was I to know when I innocently took up this thread because of its excellent title that I would also run afoul of monarchists? I never dreamed! (and if you believe that whopper, I'll GIVE you the Brooklyn Bridge.) No, afraid I knew they'd be here to defend British imperialism and cast aspersions on the character of anyone who disagrees. Because after all, THEY used to rule the whole damned world and can't quite face up to the fact that they don't anymore. Boo hoo. And now they're on the skids even in Northern Ireland, oh how they want their empire back. Even enough to ( :spank criticize others for interference. I don't think they see the irony, to use the nicest word possible.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
5. Hey, you won't get any flack from me about that!
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jul 2013

If I ever set foot in London, I'd head straight for Trafalgar Square and they'd throw me in jail even faster just for holding up a big sign that read "Free Ireland".

Well, in the interests of full disclosure, that does happen to be the official Sinn Fein motto. But those bastards have occupied most of the nation of my ancestors for 800 years, and I'm waaaay past caring what it takes to get them entirely out forever. Don't ever let me get started on the Irish genocide, where they killed even more people than Hitler or Stalin. But it was best described in an official British state document about 100 years ago celebrating their plan and declaring with all certainty: "At last we shall be rid of the scourge of the Irish in Ireland forever!"

Why should I think they've grown a conscience since then? Not bloody likely.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
7. lol, yeah like your going to get jailed for holding that sign
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jul 2013

More likely just laughed at, as to the six counties they have a majority who dont want to be part of the republic so until that goes away then northern ireland stays as it is. Not sure what you mean by whatever it takes but it looks like your suggesting another bombing campaign if so then you are an idiot.

Also i would like to see where you get your numbers that more died than from hitler and stalin, i think your not going to find those numbers.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
24. Holding up that sign anywhere on British soil has been officially declared a hate crime
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jul 2013

Punishable by prison time.

If you like living under John Bull's bootheel, go right ahead and be my guest. I have no sympathy for British lovers or turncoats or imperialist toadies. When I die, my assets are pledged to Sinn Fein if I don't need Catholic Workers to stay with me any length of time to keep me out of a nursing home. And my bloodline tends to outlast most others. My grandfather and g-granddad fought for General Collins, and one whole wall of my office (open to the living room) is covered with pictures of other Irish patriots, including McGuiness and Gerry Adams, also Collins' personal squad of apostles. So yeah, there are still parts of FREE Ireland in the south where you really might want to walk carefully with your attitude. Just a bit of advice if you plan to attend the Gathering.

Me? If we bump into each other, I'll only shame you with kindness that I have to wonder if you'd return.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
28. piffle, luckily the younger generation laughs at viewpoints like yours, if yoir heroes are the PIRA
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jul 2013

Then i feel sorry for you. As to the sign landing you in jail i doubt it the bizzies would just tell you to move along and shake their head at the sad american.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
38. They made it LAW
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jul 2013

and my American citizenship would be no protection. And I'm by no means a 'sad' American. I have far too much fun cheering the patriots on. When the Lizzie the Hun and all the Brits are out of Ireland, we can achieve reunification of the island. Not until then.

Now go ahead and spin your crazy conspiracy theories about what I think and do all you want. You don't have the right (or intelligence) to translate what I say and mean. But there will be some terribly sad folks in the north one day when they have to renounce their British citizenship and swear allegiance only to Ireland itself or get the hell out. I don't care which.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
73. its more a piece of bigotry, worse than you see on the falls road, at least that you can get
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jul 2013

But some american espousing the sectarian hatred this poster espouses reflects very badly on them.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
83. How quickly you rush to condemn what you don't know.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jul 2013

When did you and God get together and share out defining the world?

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
88. So says a poster who apparently supports British imperialism
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jul 2013

Kinda miss that "The sun never sets on the British empire" thingy nowadays, do you? I seem to recall the remnants of that empire calling desperately on a former colony to save her ass from Hitler and Mussolini. Don't make me regret that we did.

Besides, little child, you're the one spouting bigotry, at poor little me when all I did was diss Lizzie the Hun - and well, I guess by implication the rest of the (gag) 'royals'. But I suppose your opinions are pure gold while those who disagree with you are bigots. Must be a nice fantasy.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
97. Nah, I just enjoy pulling your leg when you stick it out at me.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jul 2013

If you weren't such predictable fun, I wouldn't toy with you so. Fortunately, it's close to bedtime so we'll have to play more another time. zzzzzzzzz

Oh, just one more, please?

Oddly enough, both of my dogs are English breeds. So I gave them Irish names and told them they'd been kidnapped by the slavers, so they're really Irish. They don't know they're adopted. Shhhh.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
74. Well, I'd try to simplify things farther so you could understand,
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jul 2013

But rest assured, KW, that I neither require nor desire your approval. If you want to be dismissive, calling things you don't like or understand a 'cliche', then I'm afraid you've become one. Centuries of struggle do not a cliche make. Just be sure you're not stuck with land in the North if you want to keep it AND claim UK citizenship, because the day's dawning when such folk will have a hard choice to make. Stolen 'ancestral' lands will revert to the unified nation of Ireland herself.

As for posters in this thread who question my position, let them look up current Sinn Fein policy - preferably direct from the source - and then they'll know. I do not speak for Sinn Fein in any way. But I do give them my deepest respect, honor, and support. At this time political solutions seem most effective. Best for everyone if it can stay that way.

May I add in closing, God Bless Gerry Adams and McGuiness. Maybe Paul McCartney too, for his song 'Give Ireland Back to the Irish!" (..."don't make them take it away...&quot

Wait... before I go on to more important threads, here's a little ditty many Irish kids sing while skipping rope, even stateside:

Up the long ladder
Down the short rope
To hell with King Billy
And God save the Pope!


Makes a nice lullaby too.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
75. sectarian bigotry at its finest, glad you wont live to see or have any part in what is to come
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jul 2013

You need to go live in derry or drumad and live amongst your heroes and see them for what they are.

Onedit i see from your profile page you refer to mcguiness as kneecaps, at least you are a bigot who knows about punishment beatings and kneecappings and you revel in it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
85. What I revel in
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jul 2013

is knowing that whether I live to see the day or not, the Brits are already on the move. Wish I could've been there to see Lizzie the Hun apologize for her country's invasion and illegal occupation of a neighbor. Looks like they might finally grow tired of trying to ride the tiger.

No, if I had any nasty turn of mind, I'd wish France better luck next time she tries to invade England. But I'm not, and so I don't. Though I wouldn't worry about rushing to your defense, either.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
76. The Down survey of Ireland is cited on DU in the Ancestry/Genealogy Forum
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jul 2013

On May 15 OP by csziggy refers to maps at Trinity College Dublin that reveal the owners of lands taken by Cromwell and given to (English) landlords.

It's fascinating stuff. I haven't yet had time to give it the attention it requires to hook up to any of my Kellys of Tyrone. (Unfortunately for genealogy purposes, Kelly is the second most popular name in Ireland - very hard to find the correct connections, when so many are named Patrick, etc. and arrived in ca 1820, when records are no longer extant. But I digress ).

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
94. Digress all you want. I'm interested.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jul 2013

And, unlike certain mosquitos around here, you sound perfectly sane.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
108. Just thought I'd throw that in, as it gives credence that all of Ireland's troubles
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:31 AM
Jul 2013

didn't begin and end with the Potato Famine.

I happily ran across the Down Survey here on DU, of all places, in the Ancestry/Genealogy Forum, and recommend it to any interested in genealogy and/or the usurpation of Irish lands by the English.

My paternal/Irish side came across ca 1820, according to family history, which was recorded by two daughters of the original immigrants. One daughter, a Sister of Charity, had a PhD in history and wrote the history of her order, among other works, so I feel I can trust the veracity of her writing, although, like all doing genealogy in the current period, I wish she had provided more details and end-notes, as she did in her professional writing.

However, having a most common Irish surname and a culture that used the same given names generation and generation, as well as having large families, means that there are countless Patrick Kellys and how am I to know which one was my family's progenitor?

So, even though my father and grandfather were several generations removed from Tyrone, they were no friends of Great Britain, and proudly proclaimed their Irish heritage.
I myself wish the couple and baby well, but want to get on with affairs of greater interest. When something new re the baby comes out, I'll listen once, but then want to move on.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
82. Dear loli, child,
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jul 2013

Just got off the phone with an atty friend who advises me that when you declare that it looks like I'm suggesting another bombing campaign, that amounts to libel. Don't think the law can't find you and haul your ass into court for it either. BTW, I'm a litigious little bitch. Anymore of your libelous drivel and you may find yourself with a summons.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
86. lol go ahead as your full of bs, in fact pm me your lawyers number and i will even call him and
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:40 PM
Jul 2013

Let him read your words, i have dealt with bigots my whole life and have no fear of the truth.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. Wouldn't be a problem with that - just add 2 Big Mac meals to the poster.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jul 2013

Free Ireland with 2 Big Mac meals.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
15. rofl, i have no idea what woo the poster thinks about political discourse in the uk
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jul 2013

My concern is the whatever it takes line, is this a support of the PIRA and acts such as warrington etc

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
91. Twist my words however you like. You don't define me.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013
You are the one who brought up PIRA. I didn't. You sound paranoid to me. Are you trying to say you see no difference between them and Sinn Fein? Resistance takes many forms. Sinn Fein is a political organization. If you insist otherwise, perhaps you're the bigot.

Interesting story (at least to me): a friend of mine was on a business trip to London and he took his clients out to dinner. While there he also invited them to his home to attend the races that weekend if I recall. One businessman guest jumped up and yelled at him, "You'd really like to get us over there, wouldn't you? You're nothing but a bunch of bloody bombers!" Some of the posters on this thread remind me of that nut.

BTW, my friend said, "Do what you want. They probably wouldn't let you in wearing such a cheap suit anyway." Then he sat there and waited patiently until the Irish hating client jumped up and ran out of the restaurant. So you and your pack calling me a bigot is rather like the GOP over here declaring themselves pure as snow and trying to convince the rest of us that they don't hate African Americans. Perhaps worst of all, any liberals to the left of Larouche. The point is, since you might need this explained to you, is that neither you nor the GOP have room to preach. Clear enough?

wercal

(1,370 posts)
66. Not a contest....
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

....but the holacost killed siz tomes as many people as the potato famine - at least thats the conventional wisdom. It piques my interest when a statement is made to the contrary.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
98. Far, far more than just the potato famine.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jul 2013

Pardon the pun, but dig up the research. Plenty there, unless you refuse to believe anything w/o the British Lion stamp on it.

wercal

(1,370 posts)
103. Whoa there cowboy
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jul 2013

Asking a few questions doeen't automatically paint me as an apologist for one side or another.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
109. Sorry, that wasn't my intent. I may well owe you a degree of apology there.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:25 AM
Jul 2013

It's just that so many people won't accept any data unless it has the 'royal' stamp of approval, in which case it would be skewed beyond recognition. Genocide of the Irish began with the first invasion period and marched steadily on ever since. For a long time in centuries past, they even rounded up Irish children over the age of 10 and shipped them off to the Indies as slave labor. Ooops, maybe I should've said 'offered them work opportunity'. Benjamin Franklin and later Frederick Douglass were horrified at the conditions they found among the common folk of Ireland, acknowledging that what they saw was outright slavery. Etc. Etc. Etc.

As to the anti-Irish slurs monarchists threw about so freely yesterday, I've always been amazed at how a nation so drenched with its conquests' blood around the world can hypocritically challenge them for resisting. I don't really imagine that GB sailed or marched up one day and asked politely if anyone would like a few guests to stick around and help the rulers rob the peasantry blind and starve them into submission. Look at the trouble we had getting them out. It's sad that force has to be used against invaders but that's generally the case. Nelson Mandela and the ANC are but one example. Occupying forces generally don't come to the peace negotiation table until they're left with no other options.

As for my alleged anti-Brit attitude, I like a lot of them just fine so long as they renounce imperialism past, present, and future. Quite a few of the general population are in favor of full Irish independence and self rule, some ardently so. Those folks I can link arms with and share a pint. But my Irish businessman friend spoke the truth - there remains a widespread virulent hatred toward those who only want home rule. A lot of that results from anger and fear over having lost their precious empire on which the sun once never set.

HubertHeaver

(2,522 posts)
60. On the potato famine...
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jul 2013

The official position on the famine in Ireland was to "let nature take its course" which is genocide.

I have a word of warning to anyone doing historical research. You don't know how you are going to react when you see family lore confirmed in the law-books.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
16. I agree, Princess Di was great and a good ambassador to the people
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jul 2013

The rest of 'em, meh, most don't amount to a bucket of warm spit.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
69. Hell, I'm enjoying the whole thread! Unlike some irony-impaired individuals, you did not ...
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jul 2013

waste your time and Skinner's bandwidth with a lengthy treatise expounding on all of the reasons you don't give a shit about that which you were spending so much time discussing. Instead, you took a position ... Fuck royalty! Discussion (and more than a little bit of hilarity) ensued.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
13. Fuck that murderer Zimmerman.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jul 2013

Fuck the NRA. Fuck SYG. Fuck neighborhood assholes that think they are cops. Fuck people that have to shit on every happy event, and turn it into a big 'I'm better than you' news snob drama.

 

typeviic

(61 posts)
23. Remember...
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jul 2013

If it does not effect you and your family, it is not news. It is tabloid, plain and simple. Of course, the "liberal" media could continue to talk about the trumped-up fake charges (IRS-AP-NSA), to bring down the Obama Admin. (Sarcasm)

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
26. Wrong verb.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jul 2013

How about "dispossess" them instead, or at least "demote" them to commoners. Take away the caste system entirely, make it a mockery of relatedness to past evil.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. You say 'fuck royalty' and I have to ask, does an Earl count? No pun intended....
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jul 2013

because my entire take on the title has to be different you mean royal family members or just those with inherited lands and titles. Just saying.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
32. At least they're not dicks. They could be.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

I don't care a lick about any of it and I don't live in the UK, so whatever.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
34. A baby was born. That baby has no clue he's royalty.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013

I just wish people would remember that. He's a sweet little baby. He can barely make out his mama's face right now.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
37. I have to give you credit for the last line
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jul 2013

Heh, the baby can't even make out his mommas face. That was good.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
39. Thank you.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:30 PM
Jul 2013

And while I have no love for the archaic system, the mother in me really hesitates to vent my feelings at the birth of a baby. I hope you understand. I just remember how their little faces scrunch up, trying so hard to see what's going on around them. Especially the faces of their mama and daddy.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
62. I don't believe there should
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jul 2013

be such a fuss. Except for the family. I wish they could know what it's like to be an ordinary family, happy and tired and scared. Just like all the rest of the parents in the world.

I just would not rather associate anger at an archaic system with the birth of a tiny little boy who doesn't know who he is. The only thing he knows are the voices of his mama and daddy as he frowns in concentration trying to see them for the first time. But all he can see now is in fuzzy black and white.

So, you see, it's not that he's more special. Those are the memories of my two ordinary, but extraordinary, sons births. They're babies. They're all the same. Blameless. Lovable. Even the little prince.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
102. Yes, the little prince IS blameless at this point
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:23 AM
Jul 2013

Until the day he grows old enough to make a voluntary decision whether to retain a morally corrupt system or reject it. Then it's up to him whether he remains innocent or not.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
65. Yeah, now Americans can worship The Kardashians and The American Idol winner
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jul 2013

No one is 'worshiping' the Royals or the NEW PRECIOUS LITTLE BABY.

It's just a nice break from all the bad news that's been going on over the past few weeks/months.

Kate and William do charity events,etc. - I would not call them 'clowns'.


Puglover

(16,380 posts)
43. I certainly have some strong feelings against it.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jul 2013

But the royals seem to give the British a lot of pleasure. So who am I?

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
45. Oh, come on....it's a harmless guilty pleasure, like enjoying a Capenter's song
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jul 2013

I'm happy for them, and think it's just nice to see something nice that a bunch of people can be happy about....it's been so sucky lately. So please don't think those of us who are enjoying this are silly people.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
50. I was being a bit silly, and I didn't think it was too strong.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

It's your opinion, and that's cool. I was saying how I was feeling. Believe me I was getting a bit tired of the whole...she hasn't had it yet....dudes, she'll have when she has it. I will say that when I heard about, it made me happy

calimary

(81,565 posts)
104. Good way to describe it. I felt it was like a little coffee break in the middle of a hard, intense
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:49 AM
Jul 2013

work day. I'm happy for them too, all american girl. For heaven's sake, the news lately has been so grim! This is nice. It's such a welcome little break. She had the baby. Mother and child doing well. New dad relieved and happy. That's NICE. That's a very human, universal thing. All the citizenry I saw in the coverage were smiling and celebrating - and sharing in the excitement. I don't think it's silly to want to be happy for, and with, them.

onenote

(42,821 posts)
49. are there DUers who have suggested royalty is "more special or better than" other people?
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jul 2013

If there are, I've missed it.

Personally, I don't put royalty on a pedestal, but I rather enjoy their pageantry and traditions. It is possible to do both.

In one sense however this baby is "special" in that, unlike the "common Joe Blow," this baby could end up King of England, which may be more of a ceremonial title than anything these days, but it still distinguishes that person from the "common Joe Blow" (unless of course you think King Ralph wasn't fiction).

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
116. Yep.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jul 2013

Not seeing how their bloodline is so special. Specially screwed up maybe. That line needs some fresh blood for certain.

And screw royalty, too. Not sure why anyone is attracted to these blatant displays of elitism.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
56. There are a bunch of Pre-Magna Carta "Royalists" at DU.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jul 2013

They have no problem with:
*pledging unquestioning allegiance to a person,

*giving our Head of State power to kill anybody he wants without any Due Process or oversight,

*and have no use or respect for Habeas Corpus,



......so a new Royal Prince would be a big deal to them.

Wednesdays

(17,462 posts)
58. I agree, they don't possess any special talent or skill
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jul 2013

and yet they're awarded all this money and attention, because they're from THAT family.

I wish no ill will on them, just turn them into ordinary citizens. In the 21st century, kings and queens belong in storybooks.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
59. we fought a war so we wouldn't have to care about a happy, healthy newborn.
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:57 PM
Jul 2013

Yup... we fought a prolonged war in horrible conditions so we wouldn't have to care about a happy, healthy newborn.

I too feel your absurd angst over people celebrating a birth and not giving a crap about me.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
81. Don't be speakin' ill of your betters, guvnuh, or the bloody crown'll be hangin' your
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jul 2013

bloody arse at sunup, right next to Robin Hood and his bleedin' sorry band of thieves, and that urchin what was caught poachin' his majesties' own grouse.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
100. "Pomp Without Power"
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jul 2013

- pretty much describes the Queen and kin but the Brits must like it as they've chosen to keep them. We - Americans - decided differently and got rid of them some time ago.

I won't harbor ill will against a baby. I admired his grandmother and the work she did with Aids victims. Just maybe he'll carry on her tradition of service to the less fortunate.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
101. I love how CNN talked about how CNN doesn't understand the big deal.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jul 2013

Then made it into a big deal.

(This was the show with the lady before Anderson Cooper, then Anderson Cooper made his intro all about the baby, didn't stick around to see if the whole show was about it.)

Violet_Crumble

(35,980 posts)
110. I'd rather have the Queen as head of state than some moron like Bush...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:32 AM
Jul 2013

While I don't think the Royal Family's more special or better than me, I do think they're better than someone like Bush...

Response to quinnox (Original post)

Martin Eden

(12,882 posts)
115. You know what? That's how Kate's baby was conceived.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

When you urge people to FUCK ROYALTY, you're only exacerbating the problem

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