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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYou know what? Fuck royalty
No, they are not more special or better than any common Joe Blow just because of their breeding. If you think so, you must also think Hitler had great ideas re: master race.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Fuck their audience that makes this subject the most profitable to air
warrant46
(2,205 posts)You can't even compare them to Remoras
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Exclusive: Leaked Pakistani report confirms high civilian death toll in CIA drone strikes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312863
How the NSA is Using Cell Phone Data to Drone Civilians (In Pakistan)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312978
GlaxoSmithKline says China executives have broken law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312846
Fukushima plant admits radioactive water leaked to sea
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023312760
And that is just crap I posted (looking over 4 pages of DU plenty of other interesting things posted).
And while I am sure you read and posted in plenty of those threads today and other we really can't complain about human nature and the things in the news when here on DU it is pretty much the same, if not a reflection of, the news other people are talking about.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)How do we change that? I thought some shit stirring in trivial threads (going to the source) could wake some people up. It just gets them more defensive. How do you make people care about important matters? Definitely not by pissing on their parades.
We probably can't. Everything is sliding into hell so we ought to just forget about it anyway. Hopefully whoever is left wont be so enthralled by gossip posing as news.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)part of who we are, etc.
Just funny that people complain about coverage on the one hand and do pretty much the same thing on the other.
Human interests stories are called what they are for a reason and we all like some cool and different things to talk about (like dogs saving cats).
Nothing wrong with it imho, just find it funny how some people (in this thread for example) can complain about the coverage while ignoring and kicking themselves serious stories.
People at the networks are not dumb, they know what sells, and reading over DU these many years I can tell as well.
And it ain't things of real substance most the time
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)aristocles
(594 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)wercal
(1,370 posts)dogknob
(2,431 posts)Godwin's 15 are up.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)If I ever set foot in London, I'd head straight for Trafalgar Square and they'd throw me in jail even faster just for holding up a big sign that read "Free Ireland".
Well, in the interests of full disclosure, that does happen to be the official Sinn Fein motto. But those bastards have occupied most of the nation of my ancestors for 800 years, and I'm waaaay past caring what it takes to get them entirely out forever. Don't ever let me get started on the Irish genocide, where they killed even more people than Hitler or Stalin. But it was best described in an official British state document about 100 years ago celebrating their plan and declaring with all certainty: "At last we shall be rid of the scourge of the Irish in Ireland forever!"
Why should I think they've grown a conscience since then? Not bloody likely.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)More likely just laughed at, as to the six counties they have a majority who dont want to be part of the republic so until that goes away then northern ireland stays as it is. Not sure what you mean by whatever it takes but it looks like your suggesting another bombing campaign if so then you are an idiot.
Also i would like to see where you get your numbers that more died than from hitler and stalin, i think your not going to find those numbers.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Punishable by prison time.
If you like living under John Bull's bootheel, go right ahead and be my guest. I have no sympathy for British lovers or turncoats or imperialist toadies. When I die, my assets are pledged to Sinn Fein if I don't need Catholic Workers to stay with me any length of time to keep me out of a nursing home. And my bloodline tends to outlast most others. My grandfather and g-granddad fought for General Collins, and one whole wall of my office (open to the living room) is covered with pictures of other Irish patriots, including McGuiness and Gerry Adams, also Collins' personal squad of apostles. So yeah, there are still parts of FREE Ireland in the south where you really might want to walk carefully with your attitude. Just a bit of advice if you plan to attend the Gathering.
Me? If we bump into each other, I'll only shame you with kindness that I have to wonder if you'd return.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Then i feel sorry for you. As to the sign landing you in jail i doubt it the bizzies would just tell you to move along and shake their head at the sad american.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)and my American citizenship would be no protection. And I'm by no means a 'sad' American. I have far too much fun cheering the patriots on. When the Lizzie the Hun and all the Brits are out of Ireland, we can achieve reunification of the island. Not until then.
Now go ahead and spin your crazy conspiracy theories about what I think and do all you want. You don't have the right (or intelligence) to translate what I say and mean. But there will be some terribly sad folks in the north one day when they have to renounce their British citizenship and swear allegiance only to Ireland itself or get the hell out. I don't care which.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)But some american espousing the sectarian hatred this poster espouses reflects very badly on them.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)When did you and God get together and share out defining the world?
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Kinda miss that "The sun never sets on the British empire" thingy nowadays, do you? I seem to recall the remnants of that empire calling desperately on a former colony to save her ass from Hitler and Mussolini. Don't make me regret that we did.
Besides, little child, you're the one spouting bigotry, at poor little me when all I did was diss Lizzie the Hun - and well, I guess by implication the rest of the (gag) 'royals'. But I suppose your opinions are pure gold while those who disagree with you are bigots. Must be a nice fantasy.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)If you weren't such predictable fun, I wouldn't toy with you so. Fortunately, it's close to bedtime so we'll have to play more another time. zzzzzzzzz
Oh, just one more, please?
Oddly enough, both of my dogs are English breeds. So I gave them Irish names and told them they'd been kidnapped by the slavers, so they're really Irish. They don't know they're adopted. Shhhh.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)But rest assured, KW, that I neither require nor desire your approval. If you want to be dismissive, calling things you don't like or understand a 'cliche', then I'm afraid you've become one. Centuries of struggle do not a cliche make. Just be sure you're not stuck with land in the North if you want to keep it AND claim UK citizenship, because the day's dawning when such folk will have a hard choice to make. Stolen 'ancestral' lands will revert to the unified nation of Ireland herself.
As for posters in this thread who question my position, let them look up current Sinn Fein policy - preferably direct from the source - and then they'll know. I do not speak for Sinn Fein in any way. But I do give them my deepest respect, honor, and support. At this time political solutions seem most effective. Best for everyone if it can stay that way.
May I add in closing, God Bless Gerry Adams and McGuiness. Maybe Paul McCartney too, for his song 'Give Ireland Back to the Irish!" (..."don't make them take it away..."
Wait... before I go on to more important threads, here's a little ditty many Irish kids sing while skipping rope, even stateside:
Up the long ladder
Down the short rope
To hell with King Billy
And God save the Pope!
Makes a nice lullaby too.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)You need to go live in derry or drumad and live amongst your heroes and see them for what they are.
Onedit i see from your profile page you refer to mcguiness as kneecaps, at least you are a bigot who knows about punishment beatings and kneecappings and you revel in it.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)is knowing that whether I live to see the day or not, the Brits are already on the move. Wish I could've been there to see Lizzie the Hun apologize for her country's invasion and illegal occupation of a neighbor. Looks like they might finally grow tired of trying to ride the tiger.
No, if I had any nasty turn of mind, I'd wish France better luck next time she tries to invade England. But I'm not, and so I don't. Though I wouldn't worry about rushing to your defense, either.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)On May 15 OP by csziggy refers to maps at Trinity College Dublin that reveal the owners of lands taken by Cromwell and given to (English) landlords.
It's fascinating stuff. I haven't yet had time to give it the attention it requires to hook up to any of my Kellys of Tyrone. (Unfortunately for genealogy purposes, Kelly is the second most popular name in Ireland - very hard to find the correct connections, when so many are named Patrick, etc. and arrived in ca 1820, when records are no longer extant. But I digress ).
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)And, unlike certain mosquitos around here, you sound perfectly sane.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)didn't begin and end with the Potato Famine.
I happily ran across the Down Survey here on DU, of all places, in the Ancestry/Genealogy Forum, and recommend it to any interested in genealogy and/or the usurpation of Irish lands by the English.
My paternal/Irish side came across ca 1820, according to family history, which was recorded by two daughters of the original immigrants. One daughter, a Sister of Charity, had a PhD in history and wrote the history of her order, among other works, so I feel I can trust the veracity of her writing, although, like all doing genealogy in the current period, I wish she had provided more details and end-notes, as she did in her professional writing.
However, having a most common Irish surname and a culture that used the same given names generation and generation, as well as having large families, means that there are countless Patrick Kellys and how am I to know which one was my family's progenitor?
So, even though my father and grandfather were several generations removed from Tyrone, they were no friends of Great Britain, and proudly proclaimed their Irish heritage.
I myself wish the couple and baby well, but want to get on with affairs of greater interest. When something new re the baby comes out, I'll listen once, but then want to move on.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Just got off the phone with an atty friend who advises me that when you declare that it looks like I'm suggesting another bombing campaign, that amounts to libel. Don't think the law can't find you and haul your ass into court for it either. BTW, I'm a litigious little bitch. Anymore of your libelous drivel and you may find yourself with a summons.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Let him read your words, i have dealt with bigots my whole life and have no fear of the truth.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Free Ireland with 2 Big Mac meals.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)My concern is the whatever it takes line, is this a support of the PIRA and acts such as warrington etc
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Interesting story (at least to me): a friend of mine was on a business trip to London and he took his clients out to dinner. While there he also invited them to his home to attend the races that weekend if I recall. One businessman guest jumped up and yelled at him, "You'd really like to get us over there, wouldn't you? You're nothing but a bunch of bloody bombers!" Some of the posters on this thread remind me of that nut.
BTW, my friend said, "Do what you want. They probably wouldn't let you in wearing such a cheap suit anyway." Then he sat there and waited patiently until the Irish hating client jumped up and ran out of the restaurant. So you and your pack calling me a bigot is rather like the GOP over here declaring themselves pure as snow and trying to convince the rest of us that they don't hate African Americans. Perhaps worst of all, any liberals to the left of Larouche. The point is, since you might need this explained to you, is that neither you nor the GOP have room to preach. Clear enough?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Wish I could've been there.
wercal
(1,370 posts)More deaths than Stalin? or Hitler?
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)wercal
(1,370 posts)....but the holacost killed siz tomes as many people as the potato famine - at least thats the conventional wisdom. It piques my interest when a statement is made to the contrary.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Pardon the pun, but dig up the research. Plenty there, unless you refuse to believe anything w/o the British Lion stamp on it.
wercal
(1,370 posts)Asking a few questions doeen't automatically paint me as an apologist for one side or another.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)It's just that so many people won't accept any data unless it has the 'royal' stamp of approval, in which case it would be skewed beyond recognition. Genocide of the Irish began with the first invasion period and marched steadily on ever since. For a long time in centuries past, they even rounded up Irish children over the age of 10 and shipped them off to the Indies as slave labor. Ooops, maybe I should've said 'offered them work opportunity'. Benjamin Franklin and later Frederick Douglass were horrified at the conditions they found among the common folk of Ireland, acknowledging that what they saw was outright slavery. Etc. Etc. Etc.
As to the anti-Irish slurs monarchists threw about so freely yesterday, I've always been amazed at how a nation so drenched with its conquests' blood around the world can hypocritically challenge them for resisting. I don't really imagine that GB sailed or marched up one day and asked politely if anyone would like a few guests to stick around and help the rulers rob the peasantry blind and starve them into submission. Look at the trouble we had getting them out. It's sad that force has to be used against invaders but that's generally the case. Nelson Mandela and the ANC are but one example. Occupying forces generally don't come to the peace negotiation table until they're left with no other options.
As for my alleged anti-Brit attitude, I like a lot of them just fine so long as they renounce imperialism past, present, and future. Quite a few of the general population are in favor of full Irish independence and self rule, some ardently so. Those folks I can link arms with and share a pint. But my Irish businessman friend spoke the truth - there remains a widespread virulent hatred toward those who only want home rule. A lot of that results from anger and fear over having lost their precious empire on which the sun once never set.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)The official position on the famine in Ireland was to "let nature take its course" which is genocide.
I have a word of warning to anyone doing historical research. You don't know how you are going to react when you see family lore confirmed in the law-books.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)See how that works?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Princess Di was cool and The rest? I never think about them.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)The rest of 'em, meh, most don't amount to a bucket of warm spit.
11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)waste your time and Skinner's bandwidth with a lengthy treatise expounding on all of the reasons you don't give a shit about that which you were spending so much time discussing. Instead, you took a position ... Fuck royalty! Discussion (and more than a little bit of hilarity) ensued.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)We're indebted to return the favor sometime.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Fuck the NRA. Fuck SYG. Fuck neighborhood assholes that think they are cops. Fuck people that have to shit on every happy event, and turn it into a big 'I'm better than you' news snob drama.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)There's many in the UK say the same about your administration.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I'm not exactly thrilled with the Obama administration myself.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)She is NOT amused!
Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)typeviic
(61 posts)If it does not effect you and your family, it is not news. It is tabloid, plain and simple. Of course, the "liberal" media could continue to talk about the trumped-up fake charges (IRS-AP-NSA), to bring down the Obama Admin. (Sarcasm)
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)How about "dispossess" them instead, or at least "demote" them to commoners. Take away the caste system entirely, make it a mockery of relatedness to past evil.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)because my entire take on the title has to be different you mean royal family members or just those with inherited lands and titles. Just saying.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)not a fan of the concept of royal blood to begin with.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
tridim
(45,358 posts)I don't care a lick about any of it and I don't live in the UK, so whatever.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I just wish people would remember that. He's a sweet little baby. He can barely make out his mama's face right now.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Heh, the baby can't even make out his mommas face. That was good.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)And while I have no love for the archaic system, the mother in me really hesitates to vent my feelings at the birth of a baby. I hope you understand. I just remember how their little faces scrunch up, trying so hard to see what's going on around them. Especially the faces of their mama and daddy.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Why all the fuss about this one in particular?
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)be such a fuss. Except for the family. I wish they could know what it's like to be an ordinary family, happy and tired and scared. Just like all the rest of the parents in the world.
I just would not rather associate anger at an archaic system with the birth of a tiny little boy who doesn't know who he is. The only thing he knows are the voices of his mama and daddy as he frowns in concentration trying to see them for the first time. But all he can see now is in fuzzy black and white.
So, you see, it's not that he's more special. Those are the memories of my two ordinary, but extraordinary, sons births. They're babies. They're all the same. Blameless. Lovable. Even the little prince.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Until the day he grows old enough to make a voluntary decision whether to retain a morally corrupt system or reject it. Then it's up to him whether he remains innocent or not.
davepc
(3,936 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)No one is 'worshiping' the Royals or the NEW PRECIOUS LITTLE BABY.
It's just a nice break from all the bad news that's been going on over the past few weeks/months.
Kate and William do charity events,etc. - I would not call them 'clowns'.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)But the royals seem to give the British a lot of pleasure. So who am I?
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I'm happy for them, and think it's just nice to see something nice that a bunch of people can be happy about....it's been so sucky lately. So please don't think those of us who are enjoying this are silly people.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I'm not trying to ruin anyones fun.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)It's your opinion, and that's cool. I was saying how I was feeling. Believe me I was getting a bit tired of the whole...she hasn't had it yet....dudes, she'll have when she has it. I will say that when I heard about, it made me happy
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I think the Nazi reference takes that beyond maybe
leftstreet
(36,118 posts)You like Carpenters songs?
Welcome to DU!
all american girl
(1,788 posts)calimary
(81,565 posts)work day. I'm happy for them too, all american girl. For heaven's sake, the news lately has been so grim! This is nice. It's such a welcome little break. She had the baby. Mother and child doing well. New dad relieved and happy. That's NICE. That's a very human, universal thing. All the citizenry I saw in the coverage were smiling and celebrating - and sharing in the excitement. I don't think it's silly to want to be happy for, and with, them.
onenote
(42,821 posts)If there are, I've missed it.
Personally, I don't put royalty on a pedestal, but I rather enjoy their pageantry and traditions. It is possible to do both.
In one sense however this baby is "special" in that, unlike the "common Joe Blow," this baby could end up King of England, which may be more of a ceremonial title than anything these days, but it still distinguishes that person from the "common Joe Blow" (unless of course you think King Ralph wasn't fiction).
WovenGems
(776 posts)Babies are a great way to see how screwed the genetics have gotten.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)Not seeing how their bloodline is so special. Specially screwed up maybe. That line needs some fresh blood for certain.
And screw royalty, too. Not sure why anyone is attracted to these blatant displays of elitism.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)They have no problem with:
*pledging unquestioning allegiance to a person,
*giving our Head of State power to kill anybody he wants without any Due Process or oversight,
*and have no use or respect for Habeas Corpus,
......so a new Royal Prince would be a big deal to them.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)But us Americans sure do like to be uppity.
Wednesdays
(17,462 posts)and yet they're awarded all this money and attention, because they're from THAT family.
I wish no ill will on them, just turn them into ordinary citizens. In the 21st century, kings and queens belong in storybooks.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Yup... we fought a prolonged war in horrible conditions so we wouldn't have to care about a happy, healthy newborn.
I too feel your absurd angst over people celebrating a birth and not giving a crap about me.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)i
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)especially in America.
eShirl
(18,506 posts)FSogol
(45,579 posts)Works for me.
William769
(55,148 posts)Prince Harry.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)behind me, lol!
npk
(3,660 posts)Damn.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)bloody arse at sunup, right next to Robin Hood and his bleedin' sorry band of thieves, and that urchin what was caught poachin' his majesties' own grouse.
UTUSN
(70,779 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- pretty much describes the Queen and kin but the Brits must like it as they've chosen to keep them. We - Americans - decided differently and got rid of them some time ago.
I won't harbor ill will against a baby. I admired his grandmother and the work she did with Aids victims. Just maybe he'll carry on her tradition of service to the less fortunate.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Then made it into a big deal.
(This was the show with the lady before Anderson Cooper, then Anderson Cooper made his intro all about the baby, didn't stick around to see if the whole show was about it.)
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Gah...
Kennah
(14,352 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,980 posts)While I don't think the Royal Family's more special or better than me, I do think they're better than someone like Bush...
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Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Martin Eden
(12,882 posts)When you urge people to FUCK ROYALTY, you're only exacerbating the problem