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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:04 PM Jul 2013

Do you believe the Democratic Party should take the lead in curtailing the surveillance state?

Definition of CURTAIL


: to make less by or as if by cutting off or away some part <curtail the power of the executive branch> <curtail inflation>

— cur·tail·er noun


Examples of CURTAIL

The new laws are an effort to curtail illegal drug use.
School activities are being curtailed due to a lack of funds.


Origin of CURTAIL

by folk etymology from earlier curtal to dock an animal's tail, from curtal, noun, animal with a docked tail, from Middle French courtault — more at curtal
First Known Use: 1580


Related to CURTAIL

Synonyms: abbreviate, abridge, shorten, cut back, dock, elide, syncopate, truncate

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13 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
1. NO! That could make the Democratic Party soft on terroism and appear soft on terrorism thus causing a great deal of damage to our electability..
0 (0%)
2. NO! All this fuss about \"the surveillance state\" is a bunch of nonsense to weaken the Obama Administration and I don\'t want any part of it!
1 (8%)
3. Both 1 and 2
0 (0%)
4. YES! This ever increasing surveillance state is or will become a threat to our liberty if it is not signficantly curtailed.
1 (8%)
5. YES! It is already an issue whether we like it or not and it is not going away. If the Democratic Party does not make it an issue - someone else will - much to the Democratic Party\'s liability
0 (0%)
6. Both 4 and 5
11 (85%)
7. I Don\'t Always Drink Beer, But When I Do I Prefer Dos Equis ...
0 (0%)
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Do you believe the Democratic Party should take the lead in curtailing the surveillance state? (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 OP
Nuanced poll, I likes it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #1
I try to make them as nuanced as possible - but I still get accused of push polling Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #10
Not until the other party cannot benefit from it Riftaxe Jul 2013 #2
kick for more reults Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #3
mpore Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #4
Good poll. Zorra Jul 2013 #5
Note to lawmakers: moondust Jul 2013 #6
on a lighher note - answer # 7 came from this interesting series of Dos Equis commercials Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #7
curtail limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #8
Let the GOP take the lead on pot and surveillance mick063 Jul 2013 #9
Yes. And it has. Senators Wyden and Udall among others have been vocal cali Jul 2013 #11
Now Sen Richard Blumenthal from CT. : ). allin99 Jul 2013 #17
They could take a fiscal conservative approach too Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #12
I get the impression that a lot of people think the surveillance state is awesome. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #13
that is the part that almost makes me cry... I honestly and sincerely believed that Democrats, and Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #14
How, pray tell, can we Democrats curtail Survelence when our President supports it? 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #15
How about we Democrats just act like concerned citizens? You know, like in a Democracy? Octafish Jul 2013 #18
Democrats ended up taking the lead on opposition to the Vietnam War even though the War was Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #20
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #16
Sure they should. Not gonna happen. librechik Jul 2013 #19

Riftaxe

(2,693 posts)
2. Not until the other party cannot benefit from it
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jul 2013

because of course, surely a little liberty is nothing to sacrifice in a "good" cause, anyone disagreeing obviously suffers from a morally crippling case of intelligence and principle.

moondust

(20,002 posts)
6. Note to lawmakers:
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

It should be obvious that if you do not establish effective, safe and secure official channels for whistleblowers and take them seriously, you are inviting and may be forced to deal with unpredictable global responses to unauthorized releases into the wild.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
8. curtail
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

I voted to curtail(4) but not 5 or 6

It's really important the Democrats come around on this issue because if they don't, the issue is probably going to just be marginalized.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
9. Let the GOP take the lead on pot and surveillance
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:37 AM
Jul 2013

and the Democratic party will regret it.

Public opinion can swing in a hurry when critical mass is approached. Just look at the LBGT issue for an example.

You don't want the appearance of being against populist issues.

The Democrats have already dug themselves in a hole with respect to Goldman Sachs holding a seat on the cabinet.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. Yes. And it has. Senators Wyden and Udall among others have been vocal
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:01 AM
Jul 2013

Senator Leahy has introduced the FISA Accountability and Privacy Act.

Not saying it's enough, but it's a start.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
12. They could take a fiscal conservative approach too
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:28 AM
Jul 2013

This surveillance apparatus appears to be self perpetuating and growing monster that we rightfully should fear.
One estimate that I saw, stated that 70% of the homeland security budget is spent on private contractors( is it known how much is spent directly on surveillance)? These companies would will lobby the government for more business, staffed with former high level employees of the government and congress, creating ever greater 'products' and legal justifications to expand the ability to spy on citizens. Very few outside the administration know what is going on, so where is the proper oversight?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
13. I get the impression that a lot of people think the surveillance state is awesome.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 06:32 AM
Jul 2013

As long as there's a Democratic president in charge.

The most interesting thing about the whole Snowden affair, as an observer, has been seeing the sometimes surprising reflexive expresssions of authoritarianism ("traitor", etc) from some of the same people who would probably have decried the same thing under Bush (which one can only conclude means partisanship is their only principle).

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
14. that is the part that almost makes me cry... I honestly and sincerely believed that Democrats, and
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 07:17 AM
Jul 2013

liberals and progressives where driven by principles - It was the Republicans who would turn their positions upside down on their head in one minute - for the sake of blind partisanship. Democrats had more integrity. But, what have we seen on this issue? Nothing but cold blood sophistry, unpatriotic betrayal of principle and ludicrous twisting of reality -to justify something they would be condemning and condemning those who made excuses for - the betrayal of central and core, fundamental democratic values and principles.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. How about we Democrats just act like concerned citizens? You know, like in a Democracy?
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

In such a political system, we'd express our opinions to our elected representatives. We could state, write, telephone or email our thoughts, free and unconcerned in the knowledge that our positions were not monitored or recorded. With public opinion being overwhelmingly in favor against NSA spherical spying on the American public, Congress and the President would certainly make changes in the law that We the People demanded. Unless, of course, there was another power we didn't know about, a secret government as it were.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
20. Democrats ended up taking the lead on opposition to the Vietnam War even though the War was
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jul 2013

initially escalate by Democratic presidents. There have been any number of issues that Democrats took a stand on in spite of the position of much of the Democratic leadership

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