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Definition of CURTAIL: to make less by or as if by cutting off or away some part <curtail the power of the executive branch> <curtail inflation>
cur·tail·er noun
Examples of CURTAIL
The new laws are an effort to curtail illegal drug use.
School activities are being curtailed due to a lack of funds.
Origin of CURTAIL
by folk etymology from earlier curtal to dock an animal's tail, from curtal, noun, animal with a docked tail, from Middle French courtault more at curtal
First Known Use: 1580
Related to CURTAIL
Synonyms: abbreviate, abridge, shorten, cut back, dock, elide, syncopate, truncate
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1. NO! That could make the Democratic Party soft on terroism and appear soft on terrorism thus causing a great deal of damage to our electability.. | |
0 (0%) |
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2. NO! All this fuss about \"the surveillance state\" is a bunch of nonsense to weaken the Obama Administration and I don\'t want any part of it! | |
1 (8%) |
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3. Both 1 and 2 | |
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4. YES! This ever increasing surveillance state is or will become a threat to our liberty if it is not signficantly curtailed. | |
1 (8%) |
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5. YES! It is already an issue whether we like it or not and it is not going away. If the Democratic Party does not make it an issue - someone else will - much to the Democratic Party\'s liability | |
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6. Both 4 and 5 | |
11 (85%) |
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7. I Don\'t Always Drink Beer, But When I Do I Prefer Dos Equis ... | |
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Riftaxe
(2,693 posts)because of course, surely a little liberty is nothing to sacrifice in a "good" cause, anyone disagreeing obviously suffers from a morally crippling case of intelligence and principle.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)moondust
(20,002 posts)It should be obvious that if you do not establish effective, safe and secure official channels for whistleblowers and take them seriously, you are inviting and may be forced to deal with unpredictable global responses to unauthorized releases into the wild.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)I voted to curtail(4) but not 5 or 6
It's really important the Democrats come around on this issue because if they don't, the issue is probably going to just be marginalized.
mick063
(2,424 posts)and the Democratic party will regret it.
Public opinion can swing in a hurry when critical mass is approached. Just look at the LBGT issue for an example.
You don't want the appearance of being against populist issues.
The Democrats have already dug themselves in a hole with respect to Goldman Sachs holding a seat on the cabinet.
cali
(114,904 posts)Senator Leahy has introduced the FISA Accountability and Privacy Act.
Not saying it's enough, but it's a start.
allin99
(894 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)This surveillance apparatus appears to be self perpetuating and growing monster that we rightfully should fear.
One estimate that I saw, stated that 70% of the homeland security budget is spent on private contractors( is it known how much is spent directly on surveillance)? These companies would will lobby the government for more business, staffed with former high level employees of the government and congress, creating ever greater 'products' and legal justifications to expand the ability to spy on citizens. Very few outside the administration know what is going on, so where is the proper oversight?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)As long as there's a Democratic president in charge.
The most interesting thing about the whole Snowden affair, as an observer, has been seeing the sometimes surprising reflexive expresssions of authoritarianism ("traitor", etc) from some of the same people who would probably have decried the same thing under Bush (which one can only conclude means partisanship is their only principle).
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)liberals and progressives where driven by principles - It was the Republicans who would turn their positions upside down on their head in one minute - for the sake of blind partisanship. Democrats had more integrity. But, what have we seen on this issue? Nothing but cold blood sophistry, unpatriotic betrayal of principle and ludicrous twisting of reality -to justify something they would be condemning and condemning those who made excuses for - the betrayal of central and core, fundamental democratic values and principles.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)In such a political system, we'd express our opinions to our elected representatives. We could state, write, telephone or email our thoughts, free and unconcerned in the knowledge that our positions were not monitored or recorded. With public opinion being overwhelmingly in favor against NSA spherical spying on the American public, Congress and the President would certainly make changes in the law that We the People demanded. Unless, of course, there was another power we didn't know about, a secret government as it were.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)initially escalate by Democratic presidents. There have been any number of issues that Democrats took a stand on in spite of the position of much of the Democratic leadership
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)they only struggle on the web like the rest of us bugs.