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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:33 PM Jul 2013

Imagine a 28-yr-old black man stalking a 17-yr-old white kid through his neigborhood and

... the white kid ends up dead from a gun shot after an altercation.

Would that black man have been free for 44 days before public outrage brought him to charges?

No... that hypothetical black Zimmerman would have been arrested that night, tried a week later, found guilty of first degree murder and already be on death row.

If the races of the two people in this incident were reversed. The older, heavier, armed wannabe cop would have been lynched already.

You all know it is true.

I am a 46-yr-old white guy. Don't tell me this wasn't about race.

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Imagine a 28-yr-old black man stalking a 17-yr-old white kid through his neigborhood and (Original Post) scheming daemons Jul 2013 OP
Death penalty JRLeft Jul 2013 #1
... LAGC Jul 2013 #2
Wow, excellent graphic. nt laundry_queen Jul 2013 #7
Yep... PsychGrad Jul 2013 #14
He would have been shot by police on sight. Hoyt Jul 2013 #3
all these gun humpers would sing a different tune if it was their loved one GZ stalked and killed Skittles Jul 2013 #4
There is NO doubt in my mind that... Spazito Jul 2013 #5
This 46-yr-old white guy is inclined to agree with you n/t arcane1 Jul 2013 #6
"Man Convicted for Shooting Teenager" alsame Jul 2013 #8
there you go. & that's on 'liberal' long island, 'defending' his own property. 5 to 15. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #9
<<< This 56 YO white woman totally agrees with you. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #10
It's Good Being White In America SoCalMusicLover Jul 2013 #11
I don't 100% agree Chico Man Jul 2013 #12
Yeah you can, where you been pal? Phillyindy Jul 2013 #13
In FL, he would now be on death row. roamer65 Jul 2013 #15
Exactly what I was thinking LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #16
Hypothetical black Zimmerman would have been beaten down by the cops as he was cuffed. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #17
Any person being honest... etherealtruth Jul 2013 #18
This 53 year old white woman agrees with you. yardwork Jul 2013 #19
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. He would have been shot by police on sight.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

In fact, when the police arrived at the scene of Trayvon's murder, they yelled at him -- as he lay there dead/motionless in the rain -- "show your hands, show your hands." The whole GD thing is disgusting.

Skittles

(153,275 posts)
4. all these gun humpers would sing a different tune if it was their loved one GZ stalked and killed
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jul 2013

they are hypocrites, all of them

Spazito

(50,572 posts)
5. There is NO doubt in my mind that...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

"that hypothetical black Zimmerman would have been arrested that night, tried a week later, found guilty of first degree murder and already be on death row."

There would have been no Stand Your Ground support for the black Zimmerman, none at all, there would have been no donations from the gun 'enthusiasts' for his defense either.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
8. "Man Convicted for Shooting Teenager"
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

Man Convicted for Shooting Teenager
By COREY KILGANNON
Published: December 23, 2007

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A Suffolk County jury on Saturday night found a black man guilty of manslaughter for shooting of an unarmed white teenager outside the man’s house last year, ending a racially charged trial.

The jury began deliberating on Wednesday, and on Friday indicated that it was deadlocked and racked with discord. But late Saturday night, it delivered its verdict: The man, John H. White, 54, was guilty of the second-degree manslaughter charge that prosecutors had sought, and of criminal possession of a weapon. Mr. White was allowed to remain free until sentencing, when he will face a maximum term of 5 to 15 years in prison.

Mr. White was convicted of shooting Daniel Cicciaro, 17, point-blank in the face on Aug. 9, 2006. Daniel and several friends had left a party and showed up Mr. White’s house just after 11 p.m. to challenge his son Aaron, then 19, to a fight, and had used threats, profanities and racial epithets. Mr. White awoke and grabbed a loaded Beretta pistol he kept in the garage of his house in Miller Place, a predominantly white hamlet on Long Island.

<snip>

The lead prosecutor, James Chalifoux, said the trial did not hinge on race, but rather on the rash actions of a quick-tempered man who kept an arsenal in his house in preparation for such a situation. Mr. White admitted in court that he had not hunted in years and that the Beretta was unlicensed.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/nyregion/23trial.html

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
12. I don't 100% agree
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jul 2013

That is one possible outcome, but not the only possible outcome.

I don't think this issue is that simple- I don't think we can boil it down to "black and white". I think looking at it like this is a red herring, reinforces and relies on stereotypes of race, and, in some interpretations, could be considered "racist" in and of itself.

There were many factors beyond skin color in play that night (and throughout the trial). Yes, skin color was a variable. But not the only variable. The situation was so complex that we can not simply recreate it in a laboratory, reverse the skin colors, hit play, and see what happens. Human behavior is not that easy to model and predict.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
15. In FL, he would now be on death row.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

That's pretty much a no-brainer.

Definite double standards, especially down South.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,179 posts)
16. Exactly what I was thinking
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jul 2013

There is no way an armed older bigger black man stalking a young white teenager walking all alone, and then confronting him and it ending with them both on the ground until the big black man gets his weapon out and shoots the young white teenager to death...no way the verdict would have turned out this way.

yardwork

(61,771 posts)
19. This 53 year old white woman agrees with you.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jul 2013

Except that I doubt that in your scenario the killer would have survived arrest. He would have been killed "resisting arrest" that night, and nobody would care.

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