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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Obama: George W. Bush Not As Bad A President As People Make Him Out To Be
July 10, 2013 By Allen Clifton
On Tuesday while speaking in front of reporters, President Obama was presented with a question about his predecessors reputation as being one of the worst presidents in history.
His response was fairly shocking. President Obama responded by saying, President George W. Bush wasnt as bad a president as people make him out to be. He did a lot of great things for our economy, national security and national debt.
A stunned room of reporters seemed taken back by Obamas remarks. Well, all except those from Fox News who seemed to eagerly agree with them.
Following the remarks, right-wing media pundits jumped on the opportunity to praise President Obama for his honesty. Rush Limbaugh said, I always knew President Obama was a man of integrity and intelligence. While Glenn Beck chimed in claiming, President Obama epitomizes what it is to be a Constitutional American.
But perhaps no comments were more shocking that those of Fox News personality Sean Hannity who said, President Obama a great leader and a wonderful president, and I wish he could run in 2016 so I could cast my vote for Team Obama.
Right now, I know what most of you are thinking, Theres no way any of this is true.
And youd be right. First, let me apologize to those whove got this far, because nothing in this article is true. So while this isnt a real story, congratulations youre not one of the individuals who allows themselves to be easily manipulated by misleading headlines. You dont form assumptions based on reading only a headline and maybe the first paragraph of an article.
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/president-obama-george-w-bush/
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Right now, I know what most of you are thinking, Theres no way any of this is true..
And youd be right. First, let me apologize to those whove got this far, because nothing in this article is true. So while this isnt a real story, congratulations youre not one of the individuals who allows themselves to be easily manipulated by misleading headlines. You dont form assumptions based on reading only a headline and maybe the first paragraph of an article
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Point Taken
Cirque du So-What
(26,044 posts)That whooshing noise you hear is the real point, which is sailing over your head. Give it a little think; it'll come to you.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Cirque du So-What
(26,044 posts)OP gets posted at 1:01, your conclusion-jumping reply gets posted at 1:04. Either you read the whole shitaree and then typed out your thoughtful reply at a pace that would make Mavis Beacon proud. Or else you read the first couple of paragraphs and jumped right into the diatribe. Either way, it was pretty fast. Congratulations all around!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Cirque du So-What
(26,044 posts)What about it is untrue? Jumping to conclusions is nothing to be ashamed of; people do it every day. The failure rate for the 'ability to follow directions test' is probably very high, as people see what they want to see and disregard what they consider irrelevant to the task at hand, which, in this case, obviously, is chiming in before getting all the facts. That's what you did; own it.
Oh, and for the record, I never said anything about your mind. I'm sure it works just fine. Is it an insult to dare mentioning what you actually did? Speaking of insults...'we know what you are made of now' looks suspiciously like you're working up an insult of your own, like the thoracic rumblings preceding the hocking of a loogie. Don't hold back if you feel compelled to let one fly.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
tblue37
(65,557 posts)[font size = "+1"]You should put that "eom" (or an "nt" into the subject line of your post.[/font]
The whole point of including "eom" ("end of message" or "nt" (no text) is to considerately let the reader know that the subject line is all there is to the post.
In other words, "eom" indicates that there is no further message in the message box, so the reader shouldn't waste his/her time clicking the message open to read more text that is not there.
By putting "eom" in the message box, you defeat the entire purpose of using the abbreviation.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I'm guilty of not always reading the whole thing.
cyclezealot
(4,802 posts)Booz Allen has been taping into the Oval Office phone lines . Bribery often puts unlike souls into the same nest.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)Read the whole article. All the way to the end.
enough
(13,273 posts)This is another one.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)The whole thing, all the way to the end.
You have just proved the author's point.
enough
(13,273 posts)Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #5)
devilgrrl This message was self-deleted by its author.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Right now, I know what most of you are thinking, Theres no way any of this is true.
And youd be right. First, let me apologize to those whove got this far, because nothing in this article is true. So while this isnt a real story, congratulations youre not one of the individuals who allows themselves to be easily manipulated by misleading headlines. You dont form assumptions based on reading only a headline and maybe the first paragraph of an article.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)neither of you appear to have read the whole article.
magellan
(13,257 posts)Stymied there, I read further. Glad I did. Whew.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)The author's entire point is that too many people base their opinions on headlines. The posts here so far (and elsewhere on DU, on a regular basis) prove that point nicely.
magellan
(13,257 posts)tblue37
(65,557 posts)just the first few lines or paragraphs of an article. In this case, even the first few paragraphs would have mislead the reader.
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)question.
madokie
(51,076 posts)The headline made me think it was the onion. I like reading the onion so I read this all the way through.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)because Obama has praised Reagan for example, in the past.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)if Obama had clearly and unmistakably distanced himself from his predecessor, a lot of us would be saying to the headline of this article. Instead, he has retained or otherwise included way too many Republicans in his administration (the people we thought we were voting out of power) and has also retained some of the very worst of the bu$h policies. On top of that, he even likened himself to a "moderate 1980s Republican" and during his first campaign seemingly had more praise for Ronald Freakin' Reagan than for some of the Democratic icons like John F. and Robert Kennedy. So when a headline like this comes out, it is natural for some of the more liberal members here to say "It figures".
dionysus
(26,467 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Cirque du So-What
(26,044 posts)that starts out, 'read everything before doing anything,' then gives a numbered list of nonsensical assignments, and ends with, 'only do #1'? From the look of things, some would perform poorly.
magellan
(13,257 posts)I failed it miserably and never forgot the lesson!
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)I remember various people getting to that part at different times. hehe
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Most people don't. MSNBC did a story about this about a month ago that most people never read a whole article. I'm guilty of that at times also.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)He said the right thing
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)Once again, the author's point is proved.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Not funny. . . but, all too plausible.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Step 1: Read title
Step 2: Read two paragraphs
Step 3: ???
Step 4: JUDGMENT!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)And it also explains why so many satirical pieces - particularly the lame ones from The Daily Currant - are posted with breathless snorts of outrage because the poster didn't read enough, or think enough, to figure out it was satire!
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)for at least three generations now, for just that purpose.
American's will buy, literally, anything presented to them through whatever media they've come to identify with (and that's a whole other topic), especially TV.
Buy the endorsement of some celebrities and a four wall ad campaign, and they will not only buy cat piss flavored salad dressing, but convince themselves that acquiring the taste is a sign of a sophisticated palate.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It comes from DU having more jerks than knees.
uponit7771
(90,378 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Saw a shady source, then googled the quote and couldn't find it elsewhere.
Not reading beyond the fake quote.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)Maybe you should read it.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Sounds like another political rah rah site, filled with the usual mediocre writing by mediocre bloggers. No thanks.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Seriously, the last two paragraphs will blow your mind.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I knew that quote was fake. A quote that shocking would have been quoted elsewhere.
That it was an intentionally a mind game is amateurish work of a jumped up blogger.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)There's a lot more if you click on the link.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)You've just proved the author's point, BTW.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)You've just proved the author's point, BTW.
Yeah sure, nice try
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)is that people too often base their opinions on headlines without ever reading the entire article.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Turns out I was right.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)The author made a point that is too often ignored on DU and elsewhere.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The trick was what, to prove that people believe what's in a headline? Okay, but most don't expect to have fabricated quotes in headlines. That's why the first thing I always do is to check the source, and it was smelly indeed.
90%+ of the blog garbage posted at DU is well... garbage. Throw this one on the heap.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)repeatedly, just in this thread. Because of your obviously superior intelligence, however, you were not duped. Congratulations.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)were first printed. Ever hear of yellow journalism? The British tabloids do it all the time. The Mirror faked an interview with one of the biggest athletes in the world a year or two ago.
Welcome to the 1800s, mister super clever blogger.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Response to olddots (Reply #61)
devilgrrl This message was self-deleted by its author.
sigmasix
(794 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)I didn't think so.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Do you comprehend the meaning of my post? I can tell you don't.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)You can always self-delete. I won't tell.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)stole 40% of the middle classes wealth, and a jillion other crimes...but he wasn't a bad president.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)fun.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)bhikkhu
(10,729 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)This is obviously Obama being a politician because there's no way he believes that.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)my bad. good on this guy.
Cha
(298,193 posts).. looking for sources! Anything to tell me this was not so!
PBO praised bush for his contribution to helping AIDs in Africa. that's is far as it goes. And, that, of course, upset some people on DU.
MADem
(135,425 posts)wrapped around the axle owing to a headline; when the headline doesn't tell the whole--or even part of the--story.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)People read the headlines and maybe the first paragraph or two, and they don't care about seeing the methodology and seeing how big the study was or other things that could lend credibility to the study. I always try to read into each study I see to evaluate its validity and on how I can effectively interpret and make use of the findings. You have to be careful in what you put in your mind, as if you put junk in it it only leads to bad decisions.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)
Fearless This message was self-deleted by its author.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)to warrant posting it.
Especially not in GD.
Entertainment, maybe, but not even there.
GeorgeGist
(25,328 posts)BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Reminds me of a test we took in middle school where we were asked to read all of the problems before starting. The last question instructed us to skip all the previous ones.
I think everyone failed
snort
(2,334 posts)Its been near 40 years but if I remember my Journalism 101, the first paragraph of a news article should sum up the entirety of the story. What follows provides additional details if required.
It's fairly obvious why.
think
(11,641 posts)think
(11,641 posts)should vet the sources in an article and corroborate those facts with other sources if possible. He added that some journalistic posers will even provide false links to non existing or fraudulent sources.
Obama also told him to make sure any testimonies are from "reliable sources". Too often a "source" is a political hack that claims to be an unbiased and neutral source when in reality they are a paid corporate shill.
Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)
Douglas Carpenter This message was self-deleted by its author.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)admiration society these days and I think Obama wouldn't say anything about Bush that implies criticism the way the term "not as bad" does.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)without having all the facts.
think
(11,641 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)So does this mean that the NSA isn't really spying on millions of law-abiding Americans in violation of the 4th Amendment?
Does it mean Gitmo actually is closed?
Does it means there actually is a public option available to all in the ACA?
Does it mean that those Wall Street crooks responsible for crashing the economy and driving millions into poverty are in prison?
There are more things us dumbass "liberal" gullible types must have been "fooled" into believing, eh?
It never ceases to amaze me the extent of insult some people will use to try and silence dissent of really SHITTY policies when it's "their guy" doing them.
Shame on you.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Blackford
(289 posts)WatermelonRat
(340 posts)...in regards to the people who view him as an outright supervillain, but he was still a pretty lousy president. Maybe not the absolute worst, but definitely in the bottom five or so.
WatermelonRat
(340 posts)The above still stands, though.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)rule.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)but considering the number of people that responded without reading all that I posted, how many more would not have clicked on the link to the article? It's fairly obvious that a lot of those who read all I posted never clicked on the link to read the rest.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)just what was in the OP a couple of times. I learned LOL
Peacetrain
(22,881 posts)read before you write.. do not just look for buzz words that will play into a preconception.. we all carry those around.. the hackles went up on my back before I read the entire post.. job well done
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)well..hoping it was from the onion.. then I went back and read the article thinking, this is nuts as I read it .. then I read the last paragraph ...lol ..it wouldn't surprise me however if it was true.. nothing surprises me anymore..
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Instead of being plain spoken regarding his thoughts about Bush, he has merely adopted top-level Bush appointees and adopted the Bush policies that he's admired.
Actions speak louder than words. He doesn't need to expressly describe his admiration for Bush, Bush personnel, and Bush policies.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)once again proving the author's point.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)At most, the post indicates that it wasn't necessary to read the entire post. It does not indicate that the post was not read in its entirety.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)an OP and article through - there is a lot of bad writing that passes as journalism. Some writers think that if 100 words will suffice they should 1,000. Sometimes the writing is terrible. I've seen many articles that go all around the barn and back to make a damn point.
rock
(13,218 posts)He's much, much worse.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Regardless if the author can legitimately fool us or not.
It is telling that I believed every word until I discovered the "joke".
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)I actually made it through the whole thing without so much as looking for an onion link. Well played, Mr. Clifton. Well played.
indepat
(20,899 posts)security (ignored August 6 intelligence brief warning of imminent terraist attack), and national debt (mushroomed), curiously missing is junior's possibly greatest initiative (launching a permanent pre-emptive war of aggression featuring torture, massive destruction, unparalleled cost in treasure and American limbs and brain parts, and possibly one million Iraqi deaths). If giving credit, why not give full credit when credit is due? Let's all praise the power and glory of George W. Bush.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)Read the article. The whole thing. You just proved the author's point.
indepat
(20,899 posts)junior walking next to the President while in S. Africa.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Still, Bush Jr. was the worst president.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,051 posts)but instead base their opinions on headlines, which can be, and often are, misleading or downright wrong. If you just assume the headline and first few paragraphs to be true without reading any farther, you might be inclined to froth with outrage (as a number of posters in this thread have done). Many articles and essays are a lot more nuanced than their headlines (which are often not written by the author) would suggest. It's better not to board the outrage train until you know exactly what an author is saying.
So this article is not really satirical; the writer is making a point about how so many people have become lazy readers who are inclined to jump to conclusions before they know what the conclusion really is.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the responses are priceless.
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)but there are some great responses