SHAME on MSNBC

[Stinky The Clown]

A picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body is on their web site. Not an abstract picture, either, but one that shows his face in a horrible way. Not bloody. Just horrible.

I don't care what your view of the trial or guilt/innocence is, this is NOT what ought to be shown to the general public.

I am disgusted.

[hlthe2b]

1. A poll has been posted and DUers overwhelming agree that it needed to be shown...

You can enter in your dissent, but in this case, given all the ugly dehumanization of Martin and all the horrendous attempts to portray him as anything except what he was, I have come to reluctantly agree.


Here's the link for the poll:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023235188

[Stinky The Clown]

21. I just followed you link and voted the same as I posted here.

[upaloopa]

52. so glad some of don't run our lives by what a poll of DUers think

Some of us can use our brains

[hlthe2b]

53. My intent was only to let Stinky the Clown know so that he might weigh in, if desired

But, I'm sure others will want to note your high degree of incivility.

[upaloopa]

55. this board is 24/7 place of incivility

I'm no different
this board is the most uncivil place I know of
say rain is wet and a herd of people will attack you
some people do OP's just to start food fights
I noticed the change started during the 2008 Dem primaries

[hlthe2b]

56. The change begins with you...(and each of us)

[upaloopa]

57. That's true

[sinkingfeeling]

2. I disagree. Why shouldn't the publc see it?

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Because it makes no difference, long term, to how society will continue to conduct itself.

[Half-Century Man]

44. I have to disagree

In order to get people to accept an uncomfortable truth of an issue you have to make denial impossible. Young mister Martin death was accepted in concept, Now it is an in-your-face tragedy.

[galileoreloaded]

3. they are wanting to see violence. nt

[cali]

10. bullshit of the worst kind.

[galileoreloaded]

15. how much experience do you have with social and group dynamics? cause i have a lot.

that was irresponsible.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Quite a bit actually

And the US has a denial over violence and the results of it

[galileoreloaded]

23. it was irresponsible and timed to derive greatest emotional impact prior to a

verdict.

this is how violence gets worse.

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. It is an evidence photo

But whatever. This country is in denial...and excuses of why not we run these pictures are legend. I have these editorial discussions often...I am tired of how we cuddle and protect people from the reality.

In fact, these evidence photos should run often.

[cali]

29. So what? I don't think that DUers are looking at that picture because they want

to vicariously experience violence, and I don't really give a shit that you claim to have some vaunted knowledge of group dynamics. Your opinion is worth no more than mine.

Speaking just for myself, I clicked on that link with great hesitancy. I barely ever click on links to something I fear will be gory or gruesome. That picture was neither. What it was was completely heartbreaking.

[Rex]

38. That is what you might want to see.

Normal people want to see justice done, funny you pick something of a RWing talking point.

[galileoreloaded]

40. sorry im late replying, i was polishing my lifesized Reagan statue. it was hard. nt

[Amaya]

4. Everyone should see this

This is the truth

[bushisanidiot]

5. The picture clearly shows no scuff marks on trayvon's knees

or blood on his hands. that picture blows zimmerman's entire story out of the water.

[polichick]

7. True

[brush]

33. Right.

He was wearing khakis, light colored khakis. Where are the grass stains on his knees if he was straddling zimmerman and "raining down blows MMA style like the zimmerman camp keeps lying about?

[Atman]

6. We need to see it. Stop sanitizing reality.

If we saw more reality, maybe we'd be less inclined to ignore it.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. If that were true, it would be worth showing it. Unfortunately, this will be . . . .

. . . . yesterday's news all too soon. That picture will change nothing except a very few people's memories of Martin.

[Rex]

39. This picture will change nothing?

Interesting.

[Rex]

8. Actually this is exactly what the public needs to see.

Sanitizing reality is a bad idea, see Iraq.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. This isn't Iraq. And, if you follow your line of thought . . . .

. . . . those 26 dead people in Newtown CT should have made a difference.

[Rex]

36. Not really, too much sanitizing already going on.

The M$M learned a valuable lesson from Vietnam...keep the horrors of reality off the front page. It disturbs people, as cold hard reality should. Instead, always create the narrative and control what is seen to create a false reality.

The fact that you want to live in that false reality is not my concern. I want people to see the results of out of control gun laws, sorry if you do not.

[JaneyVee]

9. REALITY.

We need more of it.

[Laurian]

11. Reality often sucks, but it needs to be seen and acknowledged.

Why let those who accept our violent gun culture escape the consequences of it.

[pintobean]

12. You can see much worse

depicted any night on TV.

[brush]

34. That's not actuality though.

[nolabear]

13. Emmett Till's mother insisted her son be seen.

She wanted people to be horrified. If this child's mother can take it and doesn't mind we should look, and be ashamed.

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Do we know that Martin's family wanted this out?

[nolabear]

46. I don't. And to me that makes all the difference.

I expect we'll find out soon.

[Tx4obama]

14. I'm glad Gawker released the photo. It shows that Trayvon's pants are CLEAN - no grass stains/dirt

There's NO way that Trayvon could have been on top of Zimmerman straddling him in wet grass and end up with clean pants with no stains or dirt on the knees.

I do not remember this fact being stated in Court !!!

CAUTION - photo here: http://gawker.com/this-courtesy-of-msnbc-is-trayvon-martins-dead-body-753370712

[shraby]

35. The back of Martin's sweatshirt does look dirty which says he was on the bottom.

[polly7]

16. This is what death looks like, sanitizing it does nothing but make it easier to tolerate,

when it should be something that strikes horror and sadness.

[PD Turk]

17. sometimes

Sometimes, unpleasant things need to be shown to shock this society with reality.And it is never pretty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

[cali]

18. oh, you're disgusted, are you? Your sensibilities are offended

over a picture being shown.

Well mine are offended too- over the murder of a kid. And people should see it and see him dead and innocent, a kid walking home with candy and a soft drink.

I don't care if your sensibilities were offended. I don't care if others' sensibilities were offended. that's just too bad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Oh contraire mon ami...

It is bloody time we stop sanitizing violence

[mzmolly]

24. Sanitizing the murder of this child, only

helps Zimmerman.

[Duckwraps]

25. At this point in the process

I find it very inflamatory. Media hoping for riots to cover??

[Autumn]

27. I'm glad I saw those clean white shoes and those clean light colored pants

on young Trayvon's body. It proves to me, that young man was not in a fight, he was not scuffling with that pig Zimmerman. He was

stalked and murdered in cold blood.

[polly7]

32. +1000. nt.

[Autumn]

42. I'm an old woman, done a lot of laundry in my time, from my Maytag wringer

right on up to my Neptune. I know what happened to my kids clothes and shoes when they played or fought or scuffled on grass or sidewalks or dirt, wet or dry. As soon as I saw that picture that jumped out at me clear as glass. That young boy was murdered and Zimmerman lied.

[polly7]

45. I know, Autumn:( There's sure no evidence of the 'death battle' Zimmerman claimed. nt.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. Look at his right hand

Does that look like the hand of somebody who had just performed an MMA "ground and pound" without gloves?

Unbelievable. The prosecutors should have had this image up non-stop.

[Autumn]

50. No it doesn't. That proves everything that Zimmerman said was a lie.

[Iggo]

37. Just say No to death porn.

[Kingofalldems]

41. His pants at the knees look dry to me

Can the Zimmy fans explain that? Was it God's plan?

[Rex]

48. I think that is why some of them are so mad.

That picture clearly shows there was no physical stuggle. They cannot stand it that their boy Zim is going to jail for murder.

[jobycom]

43. They deserve an award.

One way the conservatives get away with their constant death policies--ranging from stand-your-ground laws to an illegal invasion of an innocent nation--is by sanitizing death, by pretending it is just a story. Make it real. Post pictures of headless war victims, post pictures of murdered sacrifices to the gun industry. Make this nation see the truth of its policies. If people are forced to face the facts of their votes and their policies and their actions, maybe just maybe they'll start to grow up a little.

[Laurian]

47. Amen, jobycom. n/t

[HappyMe]

51. I didn't see it there.

[pnwmom]

54. I disagree. I think it shows how vulnerable Trayvon was -- he WAS just a kid. And he sure

doesn't look like he's just been involved in some to-the-death fight.

If he was on top of Zimmerman, why weren't even the knees of his pants dirty?

[AngryOldDem]

59. I agree. But...

...I think out of respect for the family, the photo should not have been released like that.

That said, though, sometimes people have to be directly confronted with such images, to shake them out of their apathy and complacency.

I can see both sides of the question.

That picture confirms what a lot of us think what exactly happened that night, and I really hope that justice is done.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

58. Tough shit about what you think