Has anyone here ever met a real Klansman? Or a real Nazi?

[Taverner]

Not talking about your racist Uncle or Stepsomething...

The real deal, has a robe, or Swastika armband....

Sure all of us have met one unknowingly at some point

But has anyone here met someone we knew was a bonafide member?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Yes, they flew the blood flag proudly

Too

[SCantiGOP]

55. quick story

The guy who holds the record for longest tenure (49 years, from 1937 until his death in 1986) as a Speaker of a State House is a South Carolinian named Solomon Blatt. His father was a penniless Russian Jewish immigrant who ended up in Barnwell County, SC and started a successful mercantile business and put his son through law school. In his autobiography he says that, after law school, he wanted to return to the small rural county and open a law office. He said that in the late 20s the local Democratic party officials and heads of the KKK were the same people. He needed their permission to operate in the county. He said he met with them, and - paraphrasing here - they said, "You know, we don't like Jews, but we never actually met one before and you seem like a pretty good fella. So as long as you don't go riling up the n******s, we'll get along fine." So, it's pretty certain that anyone living in the Deep South before WW II came into frequent contact with members of the KKK.
Amazing to think that someone who would later watch Hitler kill 6 million of his fellow Jews could turn into a virulent, hateful racist, but he did. When Brown v Board of Education came down, Blatt led the effort to suspend mandatory education in the state and try to divert tax funds to private schools for whites, an effort that continues in the state GOP today. Blatt and his cronies managed to fight off desegregation until the early 70s, and by then the racists were abandoning the Democratic Party for the Southern Strategy of Nixon and GOP.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. when obama was running in2008

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I heard some horrific things out of tne mouths of folks who should know better

Racism is a blight

[Taverner]

94. Well...there is a saying in politics: "You dance with thems that brought ya"

No excuse at all, and lie down with dogs, end up with fleas...

And the KKK brought (and probably bought) this Blatt character

[SCantiGOP]

98. I'm sure that if he had snubbed them

He not only wouldn't have had a law practice, he likely would have been very lucky had they merely driven him out of town.

[Tom Ripley]

149. I remember Sol Blatt; he was a real piece of shit

[JustAnotherGen]

2. When I was a little girl

Living in Weisbaden, West Germany - in the 1970's. My favorite was the Gummy Bear man. . . It's complicated to explain. They were kind to us.

[el_bryanto]

11. what did he smell like? nt

[Buzz Clik]

16. Hate, anger, and nacho cheese. It wasn't a good mix.

[WinkyDink]

65. Meaning what?

[Iggo]

73. Have a wonderful day.

[IdaBriggs]

5. I was told my great-grandfather and his friends burned down a building

that was purchased in a "white" town by "blacks" sometime in the last century. According to my mother, he was very proud of it.

He passed away in the 1970s. I learned the story in the 1990s and was horrified. I had always remembered him as a very nice old man, and this changed my view of him considerably.

As far as I know, he was the only "had a robe" guy, and it was specific to the one incident; "those people" weren't welcome in the area, and they didn't come around as a result.

[Half-Century Man]

6. A couple.

I met one who lived down the street when I was a child, and one I knew got booted out of the Navy.

[KamaAina]

7. Well, I was in the gallery of the Louisiana legislature

while David Dukkke was on the floor.

Fun fact: There are 101 members of the Louisiana House. They sit at one of 50 twin desks, with one single. Guess who got the single??

[treestar]

8. Not knowingly

I doubt I have actually spoken to a real one.

Granddad claimed to have chased KKK out of town in the 20s.

[Taverner]

9. Hmmmm was your Granddad a Freemason by any chance

Freemasons and the KKK have been enemies since way back

I think the KKK are still mad about that whole "enlightenment" thing

[treestar]

57. Catholic

Which the KKK apparently also abhors.

[Taverner]

83. Ahh yep

Knights of Columbus chased out a few Klansmen too

[enlightenment]

102. Freemasons?

Certainly not all Catholic - every male member of my father's family up to his father (and himself) were Master Masons of various "degree" - Scottish Rite - and there were no Catholics. A few Episcopalians, though.

Same thing on my mother's side, though I don't know if they were all Scottish Rite. I do know there are no Catholics.

[treestar]

111. I don't think they were Freemasons

I barely know what those are.

[enlightenment]

113. Okay - I'm confused (nothing new there!)

Are we talking about your ancestors now, or my ancestors - or somebody else?

I think we're talking about your granddad . . . if he was Southern, he could have well been a Freemason. It's just a giant fraternal organization that's gotten all kinds of woo-woo built around it because of very early connections to the Knights Templar and stuff. Kind of like the Elks, with better costumes. Pretty popular in the turn-of-the-century Southern states (and midwest, too . . . oh, hell - probably all over).

At least that's my take on it; no offense intended to any Master Masons out there.

[Taverner]

123. The KKK was very anti-Catholic and very anti-Freemason

They did not like the Catholics because those "evil Irish and Italians" were "coming in over the border and dammit if we could just build a fence..."

They did not like the Freemasons because they felt they were the "secret society" behind the US government, and they were also into all that "enlightenment nonsense."

Back at the beginning of the 20th Century, men's (and women's) clubs were the way deals got made, people influenced other people. Same with trade unions, political organizations, etc...

So I laugh when I hear about "gang violence." Everything in this country is a "gang" of some sort of another.

We just call them corporations now

[no_hypocrisy]

10. In Germany 1979

I was staying with a Jaeger, who invited me to go with him to a Jaeger's birthday party in the woods.

Lots of beer, good food, laughter, and singing by men in huntsmen uniforms.

My German isn't fluent but I could translate enough from their enthusiastic "fight songs" that they were still in love with Hitler and the "good ole days".

My friend, being drunk, shouted out there was a Jew at the table to see what they would do. I froze and so did they. No more singing, no more laughter, and they ALL looked at me uncomfortably.

I persuaded my friend to take me back to his home shortly thereafter.

[Taverner]

17. wow....

I think I would have had to change my pants after that...

[WinkyDink]

68. Yeah, okay.

[no_hypocrisy]

78. Guess you had to be there . . . . .

[JustAnotherGen]

168. We had just left a year earlier

1978.

Now granted - my father was an elite Army officer - who happened to be black. But the 'elderly' German Elite Officers had a 'respect' for the Green Berets. And him. He and a few others would go and have a drink at a bar they frequented on occasion.


My parents weren't naive - and my dad always had that snotty, "They only understand herr commandant' and that's why they were 'nice' to him. But my mom was a bit of - that was a long time ago. As long as they are kind to my children that's all I care about. They were also a bit fascinated with the bi-racial features - and used to think my mom was German. She is part German 'ethnically" but definitely all American - and they seemed shocked that white woman in America would be married to a black man. . . i.e. figured he's an officer so she must be German.

Now hilarity and laughter did NOT ensue when my mom's dad would come to visit (world war II vet - you can see him in many pictures with Eisenhower at the end of WW II) and wait - wait for it. . .

Pre Nazi days - My great grandfather Papa Georges.

George Alain Boucher. Immigrated from France in 1921 because he who only had six toes from the trench rot during WW I and he HATED the brokered 'peace' and believed that "They" were going to do it again.

What kept that French Man in the trenches? The French propaganda handed out to their soldiers about defending the front lest all little French children get their right hands cut off like the Belgian children had done. Not true -

But it did cause him to slap the hand of an elderly German woman who patted my head and have him get in between her and me.

And my mom's dad cheered his father-in-law on.

And my dad apologized to her.

Then they were mad at him.

Mr. Gummi as we called him used to call me and my brother in to give us these huge Gummi bears - like 2 inches high. But my mom related to me some years ago that he was a known former Nazi party 'official' in Weisbaden.


Time does some things to some people (the conquered???) and some things to others (the victors???).

[ileus]

12. No

[Arkansas Granny]

13. None that I'm aware of, but it's possible that I have without knowing.

[librechik]

14. my dad

childhood for me was a trip--he followed the Bircher Bible and abused his position as a precinct cop to get tough on minorities, and he wasn't alone.

Other than that he was a fun guy and a loving father. He was a marine, too.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. Part Two: My father asked me what would be my reaction if he joined the Nazi Party.

All this conversation took place at my brother's wedding rehearsal dinner. Dad had a bombshell dropped on him: my brother informed him that he had converted from Judaism to Sufiism (Islam) and the ceremony was going to be traditional Sufi. I supported my brother as the conversion didn't bother me as I'm an atheist.

Dad OTOH had a fit and was trying to get me and our sister to turn against our brother on the eve of his wedding.

And so back to the conversation:

Dad: You don't think that's terrible? It doesn't matter? What would be your reaction if I joined the Nazi Party?
Me: I don't think they take Jews, Dad . . . . .
Dad: Never mind. What if I joined the Ku Klux Klan?
Me: Dad, three things: One, you'll always be my father. Two (hefty sigh), I'll always be your daughter . . . . and Three, don't come looking for me to help you burn a cross.

Dad left me alone for the rest of the night.

[librechik]

32. I remember conversations like that, too!

ah, those were good times!

[OneGrassRoot]

15. Yes to both.

Both were very young at the time (now in their mid-80s) and were coerced -- one at gunpoint (Nazi) -- into service.

[Nye Bevan]

18. Any Virginians here who met Robert Byrd? (nt)

[AnotherMcIntosh]

22. The Robert Byrd who voted against NAFTA? The Robert Byrd who voted against the Iraq War Resolution?

The Robert Byrd who was a United States Senator from West Virginia?

[Nye Bevan]

24. The Robert Byrd who held the rank of Exalted Cyclops in the KKK.

The OP said "Klansman", not "Klansman who voted against the Iraq War".

[AnotherMcIntosh]

42. He was a year old when his mother died in North Carolina and was adopted by his uncle in

West Virginia, a member of the KKK.

In the early 1940's, he was elected as an "Exalted Cyclops" of the chapter of the KKK which he formed with his friends. That title meant that he was the head of the chapter, not that he necessarily was "Exalted" in any other sense of the word.

According to newspaper accounts, he was in the KKK from mid-1942 to early 1943. Even in 1952 when he ran for the House of Representatives, his politicial opponents pointed out that he had been a former Klan member without claiming that he continued to be a Klan member. Do you have anything to indicate to the contrary?

It is to his credit that he changed. Shouldn't he have done so? The good people of West Virginia forgave him for his earlier activities, and West Virginia is not part of the deep South and was never known as a hot-bed for Klan activities. Shouldn't they have done so?

[Erose999]

150. I'm not sure exactly how the Klan hierarchy works, but even the lowest ranks have crazy names. As I

understand it, the lowest rank is called "ghoul" which is given to new recruits.

My cousin ran into some guy in a bar that he went to High School with who tried to "recruit" us. We humored him for a minute, just for laughs.

[Taverner]

40. Yes, that Robert Byrd used to be very different. He changed.

He used to be to the Right of Strom Thurmond

No idea what made him change, and it certainly wasn't his consituency

But he had his Paul of Tarsus moment for sure

[AnotherMcIntosh]

52. Maybe his constituancy did change. Before television existed, people were not commonly exposed to

views outside of their small communities.

West Virginia (where Byrd was from, and not Virginia as mentioned by the poster) was never part of the deep South. West Virginia split from Virginia because its residents were opposed to slavery. In the Civil War, West Virginia fought on the side of the North.

There is no way that anyone can rationally believe that all West Virginians, or a majority of them, favored the KKK. Reportedly, Byrd was only a member from mid-1942 to early 1943. If more West Virginians favored the KKK in the community in which he was adopted and raised by his uncle from the age of one, he probably would have stayed with it.

I was born and raised for the first part of my life in South Dakota before relocating to Illinois, so I have no inherent stake in defending West Virginians. But from my brief visits through West Virginia, I do not view West Virginians as favoring the KKK or having favored the KKK in great numbers.

[Taverner]

85. WV has an interesting story. They were on the Union side of the Civil War

The reasons were many, and were not all noble ones. They felt slavery encroached on job opportunities. As a result, Virginia was sawed in half.

[Riftaxe]

142. The Robert Byrd who as recently as 2001

had no compunction about dropping the N-word in a television interview. Nor any remorse about it either.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

148. This has already been debunked. See posts ## 39, 48, 54, and 92, above.

[NoGOPZone]

27. Maybe we should ask if anyone met David Duke while were at it. nt

[Nye Bevan]

28. See post 7 (nt)

[NoGOPZone]

29. Does that count as 'meeting'?

If so, maybe the question becomes did anyone see the Nazis marching through Skokie, IL.

[erpowers]

37. He Changed

I think it should be pointed that Robert Byrd supposedly changed during his life. He was a member of the KKK when he was younger, but left the KKK when he got older. So it might be more accurate to state that someone who met Senator Byrd during a particular point in his life.

[Nye Bevan]

39. He used the n-word on TV in 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

[AnotherMcIntosh]

48. Not the way that you say it. Not the way that it is commonly understood today outside of WV.

In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:

They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime ... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us ... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

That phrase may be a regional one. It may be one that is not heard outside of West Virginia. I've never heard it before. It certainly doesn't seem to be one in common use.

Have you ever used the N-word?

[haele]

79. I've heard that term before 2000 from a couple people - from Southern country areas where

there used to be plantations and now a lot of sharecropping, so the "White N**ger" might have been a phrase used to describe poor, mean or ignorant, dirt-farming whites.

Haele

[erpowers]

49. He Apologized Many Times

He apologized for that statement and other statements and actions many times.

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

"I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

[CreekDog]

54. you'd post the quote if it supported your argument, but you didn't post it

In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:

They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime ... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us ... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much.[60]

[Taverner]

92. From Wikipedia:

In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:

"They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime ... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us ... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white n*. I've seen a lot of white n*in my time, if you want to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much.

Byrd's use of the term "white n*" created immediate controversy. When asked about it, Byrd responded,

"I apologize for the characterization I used on this program ... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society ... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people."

[1-Old-Man]

58. Senator Byrd was from West Virginia, not Virginia

I'll forgive him his two-year indiscretion back in 1941* in memory of his lone oppositioin to giving Bush the power to go to war against Iraq.

* Robert C. Byrd, "Child of the Appalachian Coalfields"; West Virginia University Press, pp. 51-55.

[EdwardSmith74]

19. No uniforms, but yes, several of both. They're fucking morons. Pardon my French.

[MineralMan]

20. I met some pretend Nazis once.

A group of swastika-tattooed skinheads. They were harassing an old woman in a park near where I lived. I called 911 so they could see me doing it and told them to leave the woman alone. They said bad words in my direction, but left before the cops arrived. I gave the cops the photo I had taken, and they interviewed the woman.

A couple of months later, I saw a photo of a couple of them. They had been arrested for beating someone.

Shitheads.

[onehandle]

21. Just my great-grandfather Adolf, hiding out in Argentina...

...oops.

Forget you read that.

And he is definitely not a head in a jar kept alive by a machine.

...oops.

[JHB]

72. I see nothing, I know nothing, I didn't even get up this morning.

[HipChick]

23. I worked with one..

[Gregorian]

25. I grew up next door to an ex Nazi.

He is now 90, and still not a citizen. His wife "died" under suspicious circumstances.

He was incredibly talented in designing and making furniture that I would describe as Bauhaus. His house is like a museum of incredible artifacts.

He was never very happy about living here, and is thinking of moving back to Germany now. Everything he did was German. His cars, the houses we lived in being designed by a German, his appliances. He was gruff.

Everyone wondered just what he was. Nobody ever asked.

[femmocrat]

31. I heard George Lincoln Rockwell speak once.

It was in Lafayette Park across from the White House. Probably 1966-67? I was just walking across the park and came upon a rally of the American Nazi Party. I didn't stay, of course, but kind of stood there gaping for few minutes.

And the KKK tried to move into the adjoining town (maybe 3-4 miles away) here about 20 years ago. They were unsuccessful... the people lined the streets with anti-klan signs.

Both of those were too close for comfort. Now I need a shower.

[onenote]

33. George Lincoln Rockwell

Founded and ran the American Nazi Party in the 1960s. The party's headquarters was in Arlington Virginia and our family belonged to the synagogue in Arlington. As you might imagine, the Nazis frequently made their presence known to members of our congregation, including children.

So yes, I've met a real Nazi. And when Rockwell was shot and killed by another Nazi, I celebrated.

[Taverner]

34. You know the rumor that his killer and he were lovers right?

As if it meant anything other than his screaming hypocrisy

[REP]

35. I had a vet who had been a Party member

He was German, and had served in the German army during WWIi. Both his service and his membership were not strictly voluntary, and from his what I could see of his behavior, actions and attitudes, he was never truly a Nazi - or had a least changed quite a bit. No animal was refused care because of the caretaker's finances (and his charges were very reasonable) and his true love for animals was very obvious. His clients were like the road his clinic was on - Rainbow - and his wife was of a different race (only noteworthy because I don't think a Nazi of any sort would consider marrying outside race/ethnicity).

[Comrade Grumpy]

36. I was there to help drive the KKK from the state capitol in Austin in 1983.

Didn't really engage in conversation with 'em, though; it was more like throwing rocks.

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Ohh yeah...

Living in rural Alabama in 1964.....had some real helpful while folks tell me the "rules" about not talking to the black woman who lived across the street from me. The "helpfuls" owned the rickety little store at the bottom of the hill, the kind of place that sold single cigarettes for a nickel. Owners had a daughter about my age then, 17 or so, and having nothing else to do while my then husband was at work, I would walk down and hang out with her. And watch, and listen.
The daddy was truly stereotypical....chewed tobacco, was always spitting, had a pale pot belly showing thru a too short dirty t-shirt.
Whole family was racist as hell. The daughter confided in low whispers about his being a Klan member. No reason for her to lie about something like that.
This was in the Anniston/Ft. Rucker area in East Alabama..1964 was a tense year.

Later, in 1999, I was moving, hired a "You pack, we haul" moving company, here in Ala. and as the driver was helping me unpack the truck, over a coffee break, he freely shared his feelings about "blacks" and assured me the Klan was not dead, nope, not at all.
Guys like him just naturally assume they can talk freely in front of a white woman ( esp. when I play dumb).
I feigned surprise and ignorance, so he proved his point by lowering his voice and telling me he was a member.
He was a beefy no neck pot bellied good ole boy, just as nice and polite as could be about the moving process, and just as natural and confident as could be about his racist views.

[MicaelS]

41. Supposedly some of my co-workers were members of the KKK.

This was in Central Texas back in the late 70s, early 80s. I say "supposedly" because I just said "Oh, really?", and didn't ask or say anything else. But some of these guys were such bullshit artists that you couldn't believe anything you didn't see or hear with your own eyes. I know I personally never saw any hoods, sheets or Swastikas, but then I kept to myself, and didn't associate with them outside work.

[madamesilverspurs]

43. Yes, 2008.

I was preparing to go the Colorado Democratic Convention, and my living room was stacked high with boxes of Obama gear.

In the middle of all that, my landlords showed up to fix the bathroom sink. As he worked on the plumbing he made a couple of snarky anti-Obama remarks, and his wife giggled and made similar comments. I responded that I'd heard those comments before and and found them non-credible as they had originated on websites for Storm Front and the KKK. She stopped smiling and informed me that "Our whole family are Klan."

I moved.

[Orsino]

44. 1979, DC, on the mall.

Red shirt, armband, jackboots, stupid moustache, hawking pamphlets at the Smithsonian.

[Taverner]

45. People really wore the Hitler Mustache?

wow....that's more damning than a swastika tattoo

[Orsino]

59. Hell, one of my Cisco instructors wore a li'l Hitler. In 2002.

We all wondered why, but never asked him.

[IrishAyes]

153. Once when I lived out in the AZ sticks,

The mayor of the nearest little town was a dead ringer for Adolf. Wore the mustache too. Acted like a neo-Nazi, which most people believed he was.

I believe it's Kingman, AZ which has become a gathering ground for the Klan.

Living in L.A. many years ago, I drove down a street where a bunch of white-hooded freaks were standing on the sidewalk waving their signs and shouting. Since I was concerned they might not know how disgusted I was, I rolled down the car window, slapped my open palm against the side of the car, yelled, and threw them a digital discourtesy. But I never lost much sleep over it.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

46. Real Nazi?

No, they're mostly dead. Neo-Nazi? Yes. I grew up going to punk rock shows and they would show up every once in while. A fight would break out or the band would stop playing until they left and that was it.

[OriginalGeek]

107. They showed up at thrash/crossover shows too

I once gave a ride to a show to a friend from a place I used to work and he asked if his friend could come too. I picked them up at my friend's house but after the show I dropped the other guy off at his house and right there bigger'n shit I could see a giant nazi flag covering one living room wall. After he got out and I was taking Carl home I looked at him with a "WTF dude?" and he was all "oh..yeah. they are kinda nazis."


That was the last time I ever saw either of them.

But I grew up in fundie baptist Texas. I knew a lot of 'em. Mostly from church.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

109. Yeah they get away with a lot more at those shows.

I saw a number of them at Slayer shows, quite a few last time I saw DRI also. DRI has some pretty left wing lyrics so I don't get the appeal. Then again no one said Nazis were smart.

[OriginalGeek]

144. And it's not like you even have to read DRI lyrics

you can pretty much understand 'em

[Arcanetrance]

117. I have an amusing story at a biohazard show a bunch of neonazis decided to come out

Most amusing part they actually were wearing biohazard shirts and it's like dude you realize Evans jewish with a big star of David inked on his stomache

[OriginalGeek]

143. lol! like Forego said

nobody ever said neo-nazis were smart

[ieoeja]

47. Bar near my house in Chicago used to feature German WW-II fight songs on the jukebox.

Owner was a former POW from Germany, and unrepetant NAZI. Hated neo-NAZI's. Thought the whole idea was rather stupid given that they were not Germans, and therefore would be slave labor if he had his way.

Klan tried to burn a cross in front of my grandparents house when my dad was real little. He, my grandmother and my two eldest aunts (who were still children at the time) convinced them otherwise.

[Democracyinkind]

50. Yes. The old school and new school.

[1-Old-Man]

51. When I was young my family had a close friend who had been in Hitler's Youth

And I have seen Klansmen in their full robes and hoods, but not in a very long time.

[atreides1]

53. Use to work with one

My first duty station after basic and AIT...we worked in the motor pool together!

The one thing I remember is that he never brought it into work with him...I was 19, grew up in Hawaii and this was the first time I was in the mainland since age 6...and my first assignment was at an Army Post in the South, talk about culture shock...

[Warpy]

56. Klansman? Oh, yeah. I was a kid in the south in the late 50s

and early 60s.

It was also where we ate supper out on a back porch where it was cooler, heard a noise in the house, and found an old bag in the living room having a good gawp around, "Why you Jews live just like white people do!"

Never mind we were Irish Catholic, she'd have been just as surprised to find a couch and coffee table in the living room if she'd known the truth.

And people wonder why I left.

[tularetom]

60. A guy who worked for me claimed to be a Nazi

And he might have actually been one, he was arrested more than once for disrupting protests by primarily black participants (and for public intoxication).

He missed so much work because of being incarcerated I had to let him go.

Later, he was on a houseboat smoking weed, fell overboard and drowned at age 28.

[bunnies]

61. Yes. Last Year. He tried to recruit me.

He was a grand wizard or dragon or asswipe or something. Struck up a conversation with me while I was merchandising christmas wreaths of all things. Man, I wish I could remember his name. He went on and on about people look at him with hate in their eyes once they realize who he is. The conversation did not go well, needless to say.

[Are_grits_groceries]

62. I'm related to a couple.

My maternal grandfather was one. My uncle was one.
I met them later in their lives. My Mama told me that they quit years before I did meet them. I am inclined to believe it about those two.

However, I have some other relatives who are probably still active. Them I can do without because they are assholes. I fear some of the ones I like might belong. I have no idea who that would be but so many people that I thought better of have lost their minds.

A story about my grandfather:
One of my aunts moved to DC right before WWII. She got a job as a secretary or something that was located in the Pentagon. She fell in love with a Jewish man. One holiday, they went to visit my grandfather and my eleventy billion relatives.

Donald was going to ask for permission to marry her. There was quite a lot of speculation about how he would react. It was whole new situation. Most thought my grandfather would be ok with it, but you never know.

When Donald asked him, my grandfather inquired if he really loved her. Donald said yes or something along those lines. My grandfather said all he cared about was that Donald would make her happy and take very good care of her.

Donald took very good care of her, and they were truly soulmates. He became an Undersecretary of the Navy. They traveled everywhere. He was my favorite uncle and he had a truly dry sense of humor.

One fun fact that came out many years after their marriage was that he was an atheist. That's not surprising but I'm glad it wasn't known earlier. He could join my grandfather's oldest son who was also in that category.

Both of them knew the Bible upside down. One Xmas a cousin who was newly filled with evangelical fervor came for a visit. He went after everybody. Then he ran into the Doubting Duo. They turned him sideways because they knew scripture better than he did. My Mama listened for while and then left. She came by shaking her head. She told us what was going on, and she said it was brutal. I watched the last part. It is favorite memory.

[libodem]

63. Met a strong sympathizer once

A Holocaust denier and she had horrible newsletters and literature. I had one of the worst nightmares in my life after being in her home. She also used rude insulting slang words for Jews,and African Americans. She was an awful person as far as I could tell. She would start rumors and fabrications about her own adult children to her other adult children to cause disruptions. May she rest in peace. Ick.

[WinkyDink]

64. "Sure all of us have met one unknowingly at some point"?!

I know NO-ONE---AND I'M 63---who would answer "yes" to either, including "unknowingly" (which, of course, would preclude knowing if they had "a robe, or Swastika armband&quot .

Do you know how OLD "a real Nazi" would be, like 90? Not to mention GERMAN.** Do you mean "neo-Nazi"?

Plus, I live above the Mason-Dixon line, so no "real Klansman," either.

Sheesh.

**Edited to add; Apparently some have met real German Nazis. I don't know why that would mean anything to the OP; it isn't like WWII is a big secret.

[Cleita]

66. Yep. I used to live in Idaho near the Aryan Nation Church compound.

It was hard not to become acquainted with a few of them. Even if you didn't socialize with them, they patronized many of the same businesses and often we worked alongside people who were friends with them socially.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

67. I had a college roommate...

whose father was a member of the Hitler Youth at the end of World War II. Manned an anti-aircraft gun and everything.

He was about 12 when the war ended, emigrated to the United States, and was thoroughly de-Nazified by the time I knew him.

[Starry Messenger]

69. Neo-nazis.

Huge swastika flag over her bed. Some school friends of mine tricked me into going over to her house in high school. Fuckers.

Later the rumor was she'd gone on to mortuary school and become a born-again Christian.

Those shit-stains used to show up to Dickies shows too.

[flamingdem]

71. I met the son and wife of Hermann Becker after he had died

He was Rommel's adjutant and he developed Iquitos in the Amazon.

[ProfessorGAC]

75. American Nazis, Yes

Several years back, i had a thread here about how proud i was of my small town who peacefully ruined a "visit" by the Illinois branch of the American Nazi Party.

We had the displeasure of meeting a couple of them at the coffee area of a local gas stationi/mini-mart.

Ugh.
GAC

[Taverner]

86. "Illinois Nazis...I HATE Illinois Nazis!"

I can't hear "Illinois Nazi" without thinking of Pinto Station wagons for some reason

[WovenGems]

76. Nazi, YES

I was stationed in Germany. Most of the snow caps were indeed still Nazi at heart.

[riqster]

77. Regrettably, yes.

I grew up not far from Creston, OH, where the Grand Kleagle used to live.

I always wondered why these so-called members of the superior white race looked like walking arguments for retroactive birth control.

[Egalitarian Thug]

80. Yes.

[hootinholler]

81. Well I've met some who claimed they were, but never saw them in robes.

Back in the day...

[Art_from_Ark]

118. Where's that photo from?

It's really creepy.

[hootinholler]

137. It does have a certain something, doesn't it?

Found somewhere on the intertubes. I have no idea of its provenance. It could be a shop job, but if it is it was done by a master.

[Art_from_Ark]

138. Apparently it's from Canon City, Colorado, ca. 1926

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/02/15/strange-kkk-on-a-ferris-wheel-photo/

And is that a pair of legs hanging out of the ticket booth?

[hootinholler]

141. From bizzare to sureal

Yes it would appear to be.

[Nay]

82. YES. Holy shit, yes. 30 yrs ago I made the acquaintance of a woman my own age at a

workplace in Colorado. We were both single females, so a few times we went out to sample the nightlife. I was not by any means a barfly, but I was trying not to be so introverted. (Didn't work.)

One day after she obviously decided I might be a prospect, she gave me 3 or 4 books to read; when I got them home, I was horrified to see they were Nazi tracts. I forget how I disentangled myself from her, but I got away as fast as I could. She looked just like a Nazi figurehead -- blonde, very white skin, etc. Awful. I never saw it coming.

As far as the KKK, a childhood friend was raped by a black man while she was a highschooler. She told me years afterwards, and when I asked if they had caught the guy, she said she never reported it -- her father, uncles, and brothers were all in the KKK and there would be a bloodbath of innocent and guilty alike if she were to tell. So she didn't. She is messed up to this day.

And people still wonder why I'm not sociable.

[Honeycombe8]

84. No. I'm sure I've met a KKK ('cause of where I'm from), but I didn't know it.

Never met a Nazi or anyone I thought could be.

[LanternWaste]

87. My oldest brother is a klansman in MT

My oldest brother is a klansman in MT. See him twice a year, talk to him as little as possible, mention him even less. But yeah... he's a klan member, robes, meetings, the "code words", the tattoos, the rebel battle flag. The whole nine yards.

[Tree-Hugger]

88. My grandfather

My grandfather wore a Nazi armband to work on every single Jewish holiday. He worked with Jews.

And that's all I needed to know of him.

I have also worked in the more "rural" part of Bucks County PA and a couple of my co-workers are bonafide members of a supremicist group.

[Taverner]

93. WTF?

How did he not get his butt kicked every so now and then?

[Inkfreak]

89. Yes, and it was odd

He was not a raving lunatic. And he did not go into any racist tirades while I was around. I was dating a tattoo artist, so I was hanging around the shop quite a bit back then. She had this customer who came in often and I used to talk to him. I actually thought he was a cool guy. We always talked about music and family. He was a Marine at one time and I in the Army. It wasn't till my girlfriend told me he was did I find out. He had several tattoos signifying white power. She saw them when doing a back piece. He had wanted her to incorporate some more into the piece, but she refused. I see him around every now & again. It's usually a nod hello. I never confronted him about it. It was just odd to me. It made me wonder how many like him are put there, ya know?

[sigmasix]

90. I lived close to the Indiana grand wizard of the KKK

I lived a few miles from the grand wizard of the KKK and his father, a past leader of the KKK. They held regular cross burnings in his yard and organized rallys for the klan. The guy had a kid in local public schools (PHM) and he had many run-ins with the school because of his insistence that the school should re-inforce the teachings of the KKK for his children and seperate any african American students from activities that his child would participate in. He initiated many frivolous lawsuits against the school system for allowing an african American student to sit near his child on the school bus. He never had a problem attracting hate-filled fox "news" fans and teabaggers- as a matter of fact, a good percentage of the teabagger faction membership in Michiana have been members of this chapter of the klan.
Real racism still exists in America, and anyone that attempts to claim otherwise is either willfully ignorant of the facts, or active members of, and believers in, racist organizations and ideaological propoganda media.
The scumbags that wear sheets and burn crosses are still around- they've just disguised themselves as a semi-legitimate political movement known as teabaggerism. Virulent racists dont change their mind or just disapear into nothingness- they migrate to political atmospheres and movements that are friendly to thier hatred. Teabagger membership supplies a safe haven for racist hatred and violent radicalism.

[LumosMaxima]

165. I've heard . . .

I've heard -- maybe you can tell me if this is true -- that there are lots of skinheads/Neo-Nazis in northwest Indiana. I used to have a friend who lived there for a few years and said he had met some of them.

[sigmasix]

166. lots of "white pride" and Klan official in indiana

One of the reasons we left indiana was the strength of the republican party of central and southern indiana- they have ignored the people of northern indiana and attempted to make indiana a late-comer to the confederacy. Indianapolis teabaggers have just as much destructive potential as any other Anti-American organization, perhaps more because the dammage is being conducted from the state capital at the behest of the Koch brothers and other criminally wealthy traitors.

[Gothmog]

91. In 1978, I drove by the KKK book store in Pasadena Texas

I was judging a high school debate tournament with a group of college debaters in 1978 and drove past the KKK book store in Pasadena Texas (a suburb of Houston). We pulled into the parking lot and then chickened out and did not go in. I had beard back in those days.

We saw some customers leaving the store and some others going in. It was a strange experience

[Manifestor_of_Light]

154. I heard about that store.

I grew up there.

Channel 2, KPRC-TV, the NBC affiliate in Houston, sent out an African-American reporter to do a stand-up outside the store.

"This is Napoleon Johnson, Big 2 News"

[msanthrope]

96. Yes. Both. I am precluded from telling you much about the Klansman

but the Nazi was my prospective mother-in-law. I did not know about the connection until I was engaged---indeed a month before the wedding. I declined.

[rug]

97. Yes, I belonged to a group that regularly protested and attacked them in the 70s and early 80s.

There was a nest of them in Vineland, NJ and another group in rural Connecticut of all places. A scummy lot. They actually fired shots at the demonstration in Connecticut.

[jmowreader]

99. I met someone who used to be a Nazi

In Germany, my unit had "perimeter guards" that walked the fenceline, and they were all Germans. One of them invited a few of us to his house for his grandpa's 85th birthday party. During the party, they pulled out Grandpa's scrapbook...Grandpa was a lieutenant in the Gestapo and received five years in a US-run stockade as a reward for his service.

Fortunately, by the time I ran into the old fart he'd renounced all that.

[Ikonoklast]

100. In 1965. At the time, the farthest north a Klan meeting was ever held in Medina, Ohio.

My father took me shopping every Saturday morning, and one of the places we always went to was a farm that sold fresh poultry, eggs, and butter.


Across the street from that farm was another one owned by a Klan member where their meeting was to be held that evening. Bunch of men were standing around, outnumbered by Ohio State Patrol and county sherriffs.

They had a cross set up, all ready to burn.

Dad wasn't going to stop at that place to shop that Saturday because of all the commotion, but he changed his mind.

He wanted me to see what real, live hate looked like. Some of those morons were wearing their sheets that hot August day, I hoped they roasted their nuts off hiding behind their masks.

[mike_c]

101. my maternal grandfather was a member of the KKK...

...as well as the Elks Club, Rotary, etc. He was a small businessman-- a bar owner-- in a small rural town in Georgia. My home town. He died 30 years ago, and I never saw him wear the robe. But I do remember he and my grandmother talking about it when I was a kid. She was just as racist, but thought his klan buddies included too many "ruffians." His membership would not have been very active by that time, he was getting pretty old. There's a good chance that some of my uncles were too, although I don't have first-hand knowledge about that.

[MindPilot]

103. I have met Tom Metzger

He was customer at the car dealer where I worked.

As much as I would had liked to have loosened a couple of critical fittings, well, professional ethics and all that.

[Taverner]

155. Holy Fuck!

Dude was the basis of the Stacey Keach character in American History X...


Truly evil and very intelligent person

The true sociopath

[MindPilot]

167. It is sureal actually meeting these sorts of people

They seem so regular and ordinary, and then you deal with the reality of the monstrous things going on in their minds.

[Lizzie Poppet]

104. No to the former, yes to the latter.

I've met two people who were Nazi Party* members. I met both when I was a teenager (I'm in my late 30's), and both were old men, obviously. I suspect both are dead now. It was both chilling and fascinating at the same time to talk to them about what it was like in Germany in those days.


Actual German former NSDAP members, that is...not modern-day wannabe white supremacist jackwagons.

[nebenaube]

105. Yes

Dozens of them, veterans all. What's your point?

[baldguy]

106. Yes I have.

And some people here carelessly toss out that epithet against those they have disagreements with. The fact they include DUers, Democrats in good standing & President Obama is sickening.

[justiceischeap]

108. When I lived in Lancaster County in the late 80s/early 90s

my neighbor behind me had a nephew who was a grand wizard in the KKK. I'd met him on several occasions.

[noiretextatique]

110. i am sure i have

but since i am black, they didn't mention it.

[Number23]

114. +a million

In fact, we go out of our way to NOT meet them, don't we? I remember as a kid being told to never, ever, EVER go to Stone Mountain after dark because the Klan was there and nobody could get to us in time if they needed to get us out.

And this was in like 1985. Not 1945, 1985.

[Taverner]

157. Yeah, that would kind of prevent that kind of dialogue...

But not always...

I have olive skin, brown eyes, black hair and could pass for pretty much anything but Aryan. My wife is Korean-Oregonian so I we've had looks when in uncharted territory. Austin treated us like we were at home. Houston treated us like shit, and gave us looks. Dallas pretended we didn't exist...period.

They usually don't tell me either, although dog knows the christofascists let me know who they are....

[MissV]

112. Bobby Frank Cherry

I had the displeasure of living near this vile man. It was with great pleasure when he was sent to Alabama to stand trial after so many years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Frank_Cherry

[hunter]

115. Yes, a former Nazi.

People did things to survive.

That's the horrible thing.

I've also met Jewish people with number tattoos.

My own ancestors tend to be the sort who leave just before their civilization turns to shit, all the way back in time, survivors just like everyone alive today.

Choices: Embrace the evil, ignore the evil, survive the evil, become invisible, leave, die.

That's how I'm born in the USA. These feet were made for walking, jumping ship and swimming.

I'm rooted in this USA since the 16th, 17th, 18th, and mid-19th century. But I can still choose to fight, sail away, become invisible, or die trying.

[Taverner]

130. Man can always run

Running is not always an act of cowardice

I have Jewish in me, but came from Poland. Grandpa was a draft resistor in WWI

Later became a labor leader with an Auto Union.

He knew seven languages, but the sad thing was that English was his weakest.

Grandma had a little as well, but her ancestors had married into a Catholic family so she was, a nominal Catholic.

Also a labor leader with the Seamstress Union.

Wifey's dad came to America but was almost drafted into WWII. He was a Korean living in Japan.

If there is one thing about Homo Sapiens, it is that we can smell trouble and learn to get away from it.

[AlinPA]

116. Yes, in PA. He showed me his membership card and his robe. He died last year. He was my

brother's brother-in-law and a real dyed-in-the-wool republican.

[H2O Man]

119. Yep.

[Nevernose]

120. Yes, a couple quite well. What do you want to know?

A few I met when I sold/smoked pot 20 years ago. Usually I couldn't tell offhand, but a couple of times I'd go to someone's house and find a giant Nazi flag on prominent display. Every single time I suddenly had somewhere to be...and never came back.

One is a relative by marriage who was a prison Nazi. He never believed in any of that stuff, apparently, but was trying to survive in the Texas prison system. Totally renounced his past ways -- crimes, racism, and everything -- and is actually a pretty nice guy.

Another one is a former student. I was talking shit about the Klan and he got offended. His parents came to school and talked to me; turns out they were bigwigs in the local chapter. Showed me family photos, babies in white Klan robes and shit, really surreal. And I hate to say it, but they were really nice people, except for, you know, being in the fucking KLAN. Of course, I'm white, so that helped a lot. I always felt bad for the kid. He obviously didn't believe any of his parents bullshit, but wasn't ever going to be disloyal to his family, even if that meant he had to be a half-hearted racist.

Oh, and when we rented out our theater for punk shows, I put myself in charge of throwing out the racist skinheads. Here's the thing about racist skinheads: most of them are little wimps, but they always make friends with some giant, steroidal freak named Mongo or something. You have to throw them out before Mongo gets there, or you have to call your black friends who happen to be bodybuilders.

The one thing they ALL had in common (aside from paleness, obviously), was poverty. I doubt a single one of them, except my relative by marriage, even knew anyone socially wi a college degree, much less could be considered middle class. What I decided about them was that -- much like Republicans -- they weren't really pissed about race at all. They were pissed about poverty and class, and had transferred their anger to something they could more obviously identify.

[arely staircase]

121. do skinheads or aryan brotherhood count?

then yes. several. as for the former, I have had them shout "faggots" at me and my friends going in bars/clubs in Houston in the 1990s. And the latter I have met as clients of attorneys I have worked for. Though the AB, while clearly a racist hate group, seem to spend most of their time beating each other up and manufacturing meth - which is how they ended up as clients of said attorneys.

Edited to say, my 10th grade English teacher had been in the Hitler Youth. Everybody his age in his town were so it wasn't really a choice. He did say he bought into the bullshit and so he was a real Nazi as a child. By the time he was teaching me in the early 1980s he was a very liberal Democrat. So I guess in that case I knew a former real Nazi (as in German National Socialist.)

[MrSlayer]

122. Nazis skins used to show up at Metal shows all the time.

And we would just kill them in the pit. No rules for those fuckers. I'd elbow them in the face, take their knees and if they went down no one helped them up. They're scumbags and bullies.

I used to talk to them before the shows though. I'd ask them what sort of job they expected to get with a tattoo of Hitler on their face. They would just laugh or or look puzzled by the question. Not too bright, most of them.

[arely staircase]

126. one of the Aryan Brotherhood guys I mentioned upthread

had the SS lightning bolts tattooed on his neck. Yeah, not too bright.

[Initech]

128. You'll appreciate this then:

[Nevernose]

140. I posted something similar upthread about "musical" Nazis

Oh, and when we rented out our theater for punk shows, I put myself in charge of throwing out the racist skinheads. Here's the thing about racist skinheads: most of them are little wimps, but they always make friends with some giant, steroidal freak named Mongo or something. You have to throw them out before Mongo gets there, or you have to call your black friends who happen to be bodybuilders.

Why do assholes even bother showing up?

[Wolf Frankula]

124. Yes, I Interviewed one in Jail

After he and another Nazi had assaulted an elderly man they thought was Jewish, and two members of the Winnebago people smashed their skulls in.

Wolf

[Hoyt]

125. When I worked for Georgia state government, Lester Maddock walked in the men's room and shook my

hand while I stood at the urinal. He was definitely a racist pig, if not a Klansman. Should have soaked him.

Leading up to 2004 election, I got into it on an Internet forum with a supposed x-klan grand wizard who claimed on his website that he was a "civil rights activist." That ticked me off more than usual.

As the Internet discussion got heated, he said to call him and we'd set a meeting. I did. Of course he said he would blow my head off. I laughed. Decided I didn't really want to go to Oklahoma.

The stupid fool claimed he wasn't a racist, though his website had a big confederate flag with george war bush's head superimposed on it. Still makes my blood pressure soar.

[muntrv]

127. In college, some guy claimed to be a skinhead, but I didn't see him wearing a brown shirt and

swastika.

[Initech]

129. My uncle is a massive racist.

I don't know if he has any connection to the KKK but he's been known to use racist slurs in public.

[Hestia]

131. My ex's grandfather was proud member and bragged about keeping his town a Sundown Town

actually it is still a Sundown County at this late date. He'd get a couple of drinks in him and start telling the stories. Real asshole of a man. Finally passed from alzheimer's.

[quinnox]

132. An authentic Nazi?

Only in video games, blowing them away.

[Taverner]

133. Castle Wolfenstein Rocks!

[kiranon]

134. Yes. In 1962 in Germany, met several real Nazis and they

were unapologetically so. They had been held by the Americans after the war and "retrained" but it didn't take. They said a lot of awful things and I had no way to avoid them as they were the family we were assigned to in a program paring up American students with German families.

[Taverner]

135. I had a German girlfriend in Jr College

Dad hated me - he was a dick, but definitely not a Nazi

His dad was a grunt who was drafted at 17 and died a year into Eastern Theater.

His mom had permanent damage from the bombings

When talking about it, he said he didn't remember much, since he was a baby, but he always felt Hitler and the Nazis took his family away from him.

He still was a dick - and definitely more 'Heino' than 'Kraftwek.'

[Mojorabbit]

136. Yes! nt

[PFunk]

139. Yes to both. In my college days regulary during WWII air combat dogfighting wargaming games.

i.e. "planes on a stick" was my nickname for the game. No punches were thrown (we had a pretty laid back gaming group). But the (somewhat) civil conversation was interesting (especially about WWII history. Note; Either didn't wear the full costume but did regurlary wore t-shirts and hats promoting their views) . Especially since I was the only black guy in a 10 member group (alternating between running 1 red tail mustang, and thunderbolt models while he ran [of course] german ME109's). Still I can proudly say I won more sorties than him during those times.

[Posteritatis]

146. There was a halfassed neo-Nazi cell in my hometown for a few years in the nineties

They'd mostly do things like tramp around the outskirts of the multicultural festival or related groups in cliche skinhead getup, handing out pamphlets about mud races and the threat of the Jews. They eventually petered out, never having really accomplished anything other than getting some snarky comments aimed at them in the streets.

[applegrove]

147. I had at least one skinhead come into a second hand bookstore where I worked and

ask for Mein Kampf (sic). Of course we didn't have it. Of course I would not have showed it to him if we did have it.

[rppper]

151. Saw some in Mississippi in the early 70's...

....protesting the busing of inner city kids in Jackson to schools in the burbs where we lived. My parents didn't have a lot of friends because dad didn't see the harm in it....he grew up dirt poor in South Dakota...and said as much during a school council meeting held in our neighborhood...although a hard core righty, dad was all army, and didn't have a problem with integrated schools or society as a whole. I knew a lot of members growing up in Texas, but never saw the robes. I had a neighbor in the apartment next to me who was a skin...flags and SS symbols everywhere...decent, quiet guy until you brought up blacks, Mexicans or Jews....no so much afterwards....

[Tallulah]

152. Many years ago

I had neighbors that flew a Knights of the White Camelia flag on their front porch.

At least once a month the flag came out, usually after a fishing trip or when a family member got out of jail, they'd get rowdy, have their friends over, play loud angry white boy music, their term not mine, drink, smoke weed, until the morning hours in their front yard then the police would come and break up the party.

They were real members but I wasn't afraid of them. They looked and acted stupid. Excuse what I'm about to say, they were just poor white trash. They all looked a little off if you know what I mean.

[Taverner]

156. Inbreeding

It does that kind of thing....

[Manifestor_of_Light]

158. Your Friendly Liberal Neighborhood Ku Klux Klan

by the Chad Mitchell Trio, with John Denver. He replaced Chad Mitchell after Mitchell left.

The I Was Not a Nazi Polka - Chad Mitchell Trio:

[LumosMaxima]

159. Possibly

I know someone who claims to have attended a KKK ritual/meeting/whatever they call it at which a cross was burned in the early 1960s. This person claims he was not a member, but a guest. I have no proof, of course, but this isn't the kind of thing this person would lie about, so I tend to believe the story.

[DevonRex]

160. Neo-Nazi, absolutely. When I worked

at ATF. They're quite unpleasant people to deal with. Not the scariest, but definitely the most insane.

[Ex Lurker]

161. Father of a kid I went to school with was some kind of Klan big wheel in the seventies

He was also a lawyer and often represented black defendants. Seemed not to let his ideology get in the way of doing his best for his clients. People are strange.

[Taverner]

162. Could be of the "White Man's Burden" variety

Who felt the blacks just needed whites to tell them what to do...

My dad is this type of racist

[Tom Ripley]

169. Knew a Klan family growing up and had a professor who had been Hitler Youth

[wickerwoman]

163. I went to high school with some skinheads.

They weren't that uncommon in the north-west in the 90s.

[SwampG8r]

164. i saw a whole park full

men women children all in white robes and hats
right in the middle of town
Etowah tenn/mc minn county right on the 411 highway in the city park
1962