Gun homicide: Percentage of killers who were White vs. Black (1980-2008)

[adric mutelovic]

Percentage of killers (offenders) who were white: 41%
Percentage of killers who were black: 56%

Hispanics not accounted for.

See Page 13 of this study authored by Bureau of Justice Statistics personnel: http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Enos-Ex-B.pdf

As an overwhelming percentage of Hispanics identify themselves as white rather than black, the non-hispanic white offender percentage is certain to be much lower than 41%, while the percentage for "black" should not decrease nearly as much, if Hispanic heritage is accounted for.

The statistics above are striking in light of recent findings reported here that an overwhelming number of whites owned guns compared to members of other racial groups.

[Pelican]

1. K...

[denverbill]

2. Posted without comment. I wonder why?

[denverbill]

55. Wow. Still not comment from the original poster. I wonder why?

[Ilsa]

3. These are convictions, I assume?

How does access to good defense lawyers, investigators, etc, play a part of this, and does that affect the percentages for Whites equally?

[leftyohiolib]

6. well we know what having a good lawyer did for o.j.

[premium]

9. Yeah,

but not so much his second trial in Las Vegas, NV.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Pretty invalid since it doesn't take into account the great numbers of

'unknown' killers. How many murdered by guns, shooter unknown are there?

[leftyohiolib]

5. not knowing the unknowns doesnt invaildate a study of know killers ..

[sinkingfeeling]

7. What if all the unsolved murders were committed by whites? The percentages

of black killers would drop dramatically.

[sibelian]

10. What if all the unsolved murders were committed by Ming the Merciless?

That would certainly look bad for the extra-terrestrial community.

[leftyohiolib]

11. what if they werent - you cant factor in unknowns cause they are unknown but you can easily say

of the killers we have x percentage are in this group x in that etc . i understand what youre saying but those unknowns dont invalidate this study.

[Jackpine Radical]

31. So you're maybe positing that white murderers

are just smarter than black murderers?

The fact is, I would not be surprised if this statistic is roughly true. Murder, as well as many other symptoms of social dysfunction, is strongly related to social conditions such as multi-generational poverty, despair and the breakdown of normal social and family institutions. These are not race-neutral circumstances in America. When most births are to single mothers with few personal or economic resources, many of whom become mothers at age 13 or 14, and endemic hopelessness is merely the product of a realistic appraisal of your life situation, then crime of all sorts is likely to ensue.

If you want to fix the problem, fix the pathology at the core of our society.

[Gravitycollapse]

49. It certainly weakens the findings.

[HiPointDem]

8. and is there a point?

[Comrade Grumpy]

12. The black community suffers disproportionately from gun violence?

This could have something to do with why there is strong support for gun control in urban areas.

I know this study measures shooters, but I'd wager most (a majority?) of the victims are black, too.

[BainsBane]

13. Don't you think he would come out and say that?

If that were his point? I fear it may be something else.

[premium]

15. I won't take that wager,

because I suspect you're right.
The numbers of the black community getting killed by guns would decline dramatically if we would end this insane WOD, drastically reduce the defense budget and apply the money to education reform, rebuild our inner cities, create jobs rebuilding our nations infrastructure which would create Jobs, Jobs, and more Jobs.
Oh, and did I mention, Jobs?

[HiPointDem]

17. yes, they are, but if he'd wanted to say that he would have included that data. but he didn't.

blacks are over-represented among gun homicide victims; blacks were 55% of shooting homicide victims in 2010, but 13% of the population.

http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/blacks-suffer-disproportionate-share-of-firearm-homicide-deaths/

[hack89]

23. You are right - gun violence in America is mainly an intra-race phenomena

which given the segregated society we live in, makes perfect sense.

[hack89]

26. The black community suffers disproportionately from gun crime

While whites are disproportionately responsible for gun suicides.

Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.

The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/03/22/gun-deaths-shaped-by-race-in-america/

[Just Saying]

53. These aren't gun deaths they're just murder in all its forms

And you are correct that most murder victims are also African American.

[BainsBane]

14. You need to make your point

Because this isn't looking good for you as it stands.

[premium]

18. OP made the point quite well.

The reason for the disparity, IMO, is the ongoing turf war over the drug trade, wanna reduce that number, end this insane WOD, drastically reduce the defense budget and apply the money to education reform, rebuild our inner cities, create jobs rebuilding our nations infrastructure which would create Jobs, Jobs, and more Jobs.
Oh, and did I mention, Jobs?

[BainsBane]

19. I don't disagree with those points

The OP, however, did not make them.

[premium]

21. Your right,

OP didn't. I would also add, pass the UBC bill, strengthen the penalties for straw purchases, more severe penalties for a crime involving a firearm, nationwide safe storage laws, more stringent training for CC, improve the NICS system, improve mental health care, more money to the states to enforce the confiscation of firearms from prohibited persons, that's just a few I support.

[markiv]

16. this study is racist nt

[premium]

20. So now fact is racist?

[oldhippie]

24. Absolutely .....

.... when they fall into certain prohibited areas. I don't agree, but that is what I have observed.

[premium]

25. Amazing, ain't it. nt.

[Rod Walker]

22. How, exactly?

[premium]

27. So,

lay out your reasons why this is racist despite the stats. and facts.

[WVU]

29. Because,

It is obviously made to portray black Americans as violent, gun crazed killers. It's bullshit, and we know it. When's the last time you saw a black guy commit a school shooting? Or shop at a gun store? Or go to a gunshow? This study reeks of Klan bullshit to me, and it doesn't match the reality of the violence situation in America. Blacks are overwhelmingly the victims, not the perpetrators, so who would that make the REAL perpetrators, hmmm?

[premium]

30. It's a fact that the vast majority of AA are law abiding citizens,

but it's also a fact that most of the violence in our inner cities is AA on AA, due to the ongoing turf war for the drug trade, whether you want to believe it or not, facts are facts and stats are stats,

Wanna reduce that number, end this insane WOD, drastically reduce the defense budget and apply the money to education reform, rebuild our inner cities, create jobs rebuilding our nations infrastructure which would create Jobs, Jobs, and more Jobs.
Oh, and did I mention, Jobs?

[WVU]

32. Whatever man.

[premium]

33. That's the best you can do?

[penultimate]

56. He sure showed you.

[premium]

57. I feel properly chastised.

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. This is a matter of rather easily verified statistical fact.

It's not remotely "racist" to point out the rather grossly disproportionate level of AA involvement (both as perpetrator and victim) in homicide in this country. In fact, I'd argue that it's much more racist to pretend this situation doesn't exist. If someone were trying to argue that this situation exists because black people are innately more violent or some such bullshit, then sure...that's racist. But that's not the argument being made.

There are some grossly dysfunctional aspects in play among segments of the AA community, many of which are the direct result of the history of institutionalized racism this country has, of continuing economic devastation among a large part of the AA population, and other similar factors. Pretending these factors don't exists simply perpetuates them.

[hack89]

28. Gun deaths shaped by race in America

Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.

The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/feature/wp/2013/03/22/gun-deaths-shaped-by-race-in-america/

[Hoyt]

36. Yahoos use such crud to rationalize buying more guns and toting.

And, they think they are being "progressive."

[premium]

38. Give it a rest Hoyt.

BTW, are you ready to admit that you were wrong about me supporting Zimmerman?

[Hoyt]

40. Fact is, white folks arm up because they are irrationally afraid of minorities.

You can say "give it a rest" all you want. But, that's a friggin fact.

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Doubtless some do.

Most? Or even a substantial minority? Feel free to prove it...

You know...like people do with facts.

[premium]

44. You just can't bring

yourself to admit you were wrong about me supporting Zimmerman can you.

[NaturalHigh]

45. Fact? Prove it.

[newmember]

54. don't hold your breath

[Squinch]

37. Ugh. This is becoming disgusting.

[Iggo]

39. I coulda sworn I trashed this thread.

Fixed.

[99Forever]

41. Racebait much?

Figures lie and liars figure.


'Nuff said.

[NaturalHigh]

43. Funny how facts piss off so many people...

especially if they contradict their agendas about gun ownership.

[So_Blue]

46. Right, How about suicide by gun?

America’s pattern of gun deaths is split across black and white, with the vast majority of whites dying from suicide and a similar proportion of blacks dying from homicide. A similar split occurs with more homicide in diverse urban cities and more suicide in the rural areas that are predominantly white.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/gun-deaths/

[newmember]

47. There had to be a study to determine that.

just take a walk in any prison

[actslikeacarrot]

48. End the war on drugs, Fund mental health (in fact all healthcare)...

...Universal background checks, add some more hoops to get a CCP (more training, classes, ect...), JOBSJOBSJOBS. If did these things I am willing to bet we would see a dramatic fall of homicide/suicide by gun.

[premium]

50. +1000. nt.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. Do them anyway because, it is the right thing to do. But, yeah an intended or unintended

consequence could very well be a dramatic decline in deaths of all kinds.

[actslikeacarrot]

58. Good point...

...even if the gun deaths remained constant, any of these would have positive effects on someone.

[BainsBane]

52. Drive by OP

The motives behind the thread are becoming clearer.

[pkdu]

59. This says everything I need to know about this thread

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[penultimate]

60. Here's my issue with this post...

If the US was 100% white with no other races, I suspect we'd still see a similar amount of crime, because there would still be poor people living in inner cities and other crime infested and poverty stricken areas. Some of it is because of our shitty social policies and some of it is unavoidable, but it's not really a racial thing. We need to give those poor areas better access to services, ways to get jobs and ways to move up in life. You might not even be trying to make that point, but I suspect many are assuming you are.

I don't think the study itself is racist like some imply (although your usage of it may or may not be. It's hard to say since you didn't make any point)