"...with the stroke of my pen."

[woo me with science]

"The first thing I will do as President will be to reverse the illegal and unconstitutional aspects of the Patriot Act, with the stroke of my pen."

“This Administration puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide…I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our Freedom”.

“That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens, no more National Security letters to spy on American citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient”

[blkmusclmachine]

1. Fooled ya!

[woo me with science]

2. People dislike

being lied to.

[Skittles]

3. only the thinking ones

there's plenty of DUers who will be along shortly to tell us what Obama REALLY meant

[woo me with science]

10. You were right, of course.

Time already for a corporate commercial break.

Propaganda for Good Germans is incessant, you see.

[Skittles]

38. see Fox News fans for the extreme examples

but there are PLENTY of folk here who willfully keep their heads in the sand - I find them more and more disgusting and my tolerance for them rapidly decreasing

[boilerbabe]

15. "they're only targetting furiners so it's ok!" nt

[Skittles]

39. if you're not doing anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about!!!

[kenny blankenship]

5. He has a great sense of humor

Problem is, as with a lot of funny people, you're never quite sure when he's kidding.

[midnight]

4. They think this is legal because they keep legalizing it...

[JDPriestly]

34. Hi! From another Elizabeth Warren voter.

[midnight]

46. Did you get to vote for her, or is this in hopes of her running for President?

Either way.... very nice to see....

[JDPriestly]

51. In hopes of her running for president.

We need someone with common sense and her feet on the ground in the White House.

[leftstreet]

6. DURec

[ProSense]

7. Thank you President Obama.

“That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens, no more National Security letters to spy on American citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient”

For the Republican opportunists, Bush actually spied on people.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022959557

Obama: PRISM Doesn’t Apply To U.S. Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022965452

[sabrina 1]

13. We should have paid more attention to the word 'illegal' in that statement. I will now never again

trust someone the way I did then. I will analyze every word any politician says.

When Bush used the telecoms to spy on the people, it WAS illegal. Shortly after they were caught, Congress rushed to pass a Bill making what they did retroactively LEGAL. After speaking out so forcefully against that bill, Obama voted for it,, making the illegal legal.

Today the president stated that we 'cannot have 100% security unless we are willing to give up some of our rights'. I was appalled. We will never have 100% security and no one expects it. The FFs did not state that the rights we had won were only available so long as were 100% secure. Quite the contrary actually.

I don't know what happened to this President, neither does Paul Begala as he said last night, but this is not the man I supported since I first heard him speak in 2004. Or is it?

Anyhow, he is not the issue, the issue now is to end these 'wars', terror, drugs, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya et al and to begin to restore as we thought had begun to do in 2008, all of our rights that we have lost over the past several decades.

'Fighting for our freedoms'! What an empty phrase. 'Giving up our Freedoms for 100% security' which is not even possible, THAT is the American way now.

[russspeakeasy]

18. My thoughts exactly. Thanks for expressing them better than

I could.

[ReRe]

35. "Fighting for our freedoms" reminds me of ...

...GWB. Doesn't make a lick of sense to "fight for freedoms" while simultaneously taking them away. Lip service is all it amounts to. They say one thing and do another. Something changes one who enters the Presidency in this country. It's like walking through the looking glass. It probably has something to do with what's inside the envelope that's left on the President's desk when a new President takes office.

[DCKit]

44. They can pass all the laws they want...

the Constitution and Bill of Rights say it's still illegal.

An illegal law is an illegal law.

[quinnox]

8. Obama : "No more spying on citizens who are not suspected of a crime"

Wow, he was right on the mark then. It appears he has since changed his tune drastically since being in office. Damn, nice find.

[uponit7771]

9. ...and Obama did what he said he'd do, I don't know what Republicans are mad about

[quinnox]

11. many republicans aren't mad though, they are very happy, and defending the Obama administration

in this, especially the old Bush cronies.

[ProSense]

12. Yeah, they love to sucker people. n/t

[d06204]

14. Is it possible that once Obama

crossed the threshold into the presidency he was told/showed some national security shit that turned his "hair gray?" He saw something or read something that told him "candidate Obama" didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Afterall, keeping America safe is job one.

[Vincardog]

17. Is it possible that once Obama crossed the threshold into the presidency Air Force One took

him to visit Area 51, where they showed him some aliens? Well Anything is Possible.

[Fearless]

33. Or surrounded himself with bush republicans....

Still no excuse though.

[PD Turk]

37. Or Bill Hicks could be right?

...no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?"

-Bill Hicks

[indepat]

50. America is not safe with assault weapons readily available to the general public and the

proliferation of hand guns. I would argue a president's job one is to fulfill his oath of office to protect, defend, and preserve the Constitution of the United States of America.

[NYC_SKP]

16. Unrec. I cannot find a source to your quote about "stroke of my pen"

There's nothing about it in that clip, and I can't find anything legit on the net.

This youtube comes sort of close, but is by no means what your post says he said.

I can find the source for your other excerpt:

http://www.cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-woodrow-wilson-center/p13974

[William769]

19. With the stroke of my...

Oops wait wrong thread, actually wrong website. My bad.

[NYC_SKP]

21. Bwahahahaha!

[Skittles]

40. SCHEDULING WILLIAM769 FOR ASS KICKING

*EGREGIOUS*

[DJ13]

20. He needed to stop stroking it, and sign his name

[randome]

22. So you just assume he lied to us instead of he simply found things differently once in office.

I suppose that's the pessimist's point of view. To look at a single action and see it in the worst way instead of judging the person by his/her overall character.

Plus it sounds bogus, as others have pointed out.

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[caseymoz]

29. You mean that he was naive?

This isn't like learning macro-economics because you have to grasp national budget issues. This is basic and straightforward stuff, on an issue that's central to his Oath of Office, where he promises, you know, to uphold the Constitution. The Bill of Rights shouldn't trip him up.

And he's a Constitutional scholar.

If you think he approached this issue without knowing WTF he was doing, that's not consistent with his being more competent than Dubya. Quit holding him to Bush league standards. I believe Bush didn't have a grasp of what he was getting into. But Obama?

[Recursion]

55. This speech was 2007. FISA was enacted in 2008. The warantless wiretapping ended with FISA (nt)

[MannyGoldstein]

23. "Make no mistake... It worked, suckas!"

"I'm the prez, now."

[one_voice]

24. Interesting choice of words...

....phrasing.

[quinnox]

25. oh jeez, give it a rest

There are some things that are being way too nit-picky.

[one_voice]

26. Excuse me, give what a rest...

exactly?

[quinnox]

28. trying to put things under a microscope that don't belong

I'm sorry, but it reminds me of how recently the same thing was done to me when I said a perfectly innocuous thing, that Michelle Obama has a big chip on her shoulder in relation to the heckler interrupting her and her reaction,, and then ridiculous racial accusations were thrown my way by a certain very devoted crowd who are way, way, way too sensitive about their "hero". So when I see this nit picky stuff done again about a simple phrase, it set me off.
So now you know the whole story.

[one_voice]

30. Oh, well, since YOU'VE

decided that something is nit picky then by all means it must be.

Explain what your qualifications are on race relations? What made you think I was talking about race?

I could be talking about calling the president a liar---again.

But you jumped right to race...why?

[quinnox]

31. well, I thought that is what you meant

and I tend to be highly tuned in general, in terms of my perception. But if you didn't mean that, then ignore what I said. Yes, I am allowed to think it is being nit-picky though, however you meant it. It's my opinion. You can differ.

[caseymoz]

27. A forgery.

They have an Obama look alike saying that.

The President Obama we know would never say such a thing.

(if you don't know.)

Thank you woo me! For clarifying things for those "Obama Lawyers" who think his breaking a campaign promise is somehow worse than his breaking the Oath of Office.

[Fearless]

32. I believe that's what we call a bold faced liar.

[Egalitarian Thug]

41. I think the correct term is bald-faced. n/t

[Fearless]

53. Tis what happens when I use the mobile swipe function.

[Demo_Chris]

36. That's pretty much his thing. nt

[DCBob]

42. You are confused..

Obama said: "no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens"

You may not like it but what is being done now is legal. They are getting warrants, Bushie couldnt care less about warrants, legality, etc.

[YeahSureRight]

43. Those who support the Gov’s wiretapping because they have nothing to hide

Should have no problem posting their real name, real address, and real phone number on the internets seeing that they have nothing to hide unless of course they are talking out of their ass and won’t do it because they really are nothing more than a hypocrite and mindless cheerleader.

[n2doc]

45. But...Congress!

He has no power, really! Boehner is the true leader of this country, Obama just has to go along with whatever he passes!

[WinkyDink]

47. That pen had quite the debilitating stroke.

[premium]

48. Pres. Obama could've ended this on day one,

"With the signing of this Executive Order, I forbid any Federal agency from enforcing the Patriot Act and call on the Congress repeal this onerous law and to pass a new law/bill that won't intrude on the rights of all law abiding Americans and send it to my desk for my signature as quickly as possible."

[awoke_in_2003]

52. Oh, we got stroked alright...

as in BOHICA

[Recursion]

54. You know that speech was before FISA was even enacted, right?

I mean, I hope you didn't realize that, because if you did know that you'd see you're being something close to dishonest...