Here's The Court Order (4p.) Of The Verizon/NSA Deal In Layout Form... Come Read...

[WillyT]

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

[Downwinder]

1. Considering VOIP.

No reason, just to make work.

[Skip Intro]

2. Our government is coming hard after our freedom, on every front it seems.

Happening right in front of our eyes.

I can't believe how apathetic, gullible, and easily manipulated so many seem to be.

[Downwinder]

3. Remember the Shmoos?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo

Thats us.

[Luminous Animal]

4. K&R

[steve2470]

5. thanks for this WillyT nt

[WillyT]

7. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[limpyhobbler]

6. I thought they didn't need a court order for just call phone numbers and times

Maybe they just went to a court so they would be able to deflect the blame off onto the court when it became public.

2) Did they think this would never become public?

3) I thought FISA was for calls out of the country. This looks like it authorizes stuff for purely domestic calls. So what's that about?

weird.

[WillyT]

9. Did You Catch The Part...

Where it says...

Declassify on: 12 April 2038

25 YEARS FROM NOW ???

[limpyhobbler]

10. Whoa. That is pretty messed up. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. Safe bet that AT&T got the same order.

And the other big telco companies.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. Since this is for the entire country, not for a specific investigation

I think it needed this secret court order.

[Gravitycollapse]

8. Oh for fuck's sake. This is why we can't have nice things.

[OnyxCollie]

13. !

I need that. Seriously.

[leveymg]

11. NOTE: "or (ii) wholey within the United States, including local telephone calls."

This goes beyond driftnet warrants - there is no longer any pretense of warrant originating in any particular calls made to parties abroad from a particular location or within a telco switching facility. This is universal surveillance, and it violates the 4th Amendment of the United States Constitution.

We will stop the police state or it will stop us.

[limpyhobbler]

12. ACLU Calls for End to Program, Disclosure of Program’s Scope, Congressional Investigation

NEW YORK – Using the Patriot Act, the U.S. government has been secretly tracking the calls of every Verizon Business Network Services customer – whom they talked to, from where, and for how long – for the past 41 days, according to a report published by The Guardian.

"From a civil liberties perspective, the program could hardly be any more alarming. It’s a program in which some untold number of innocent people have been put under the constant surveillance of government agents," said Jameel Jaffer, American Civil Liberties Union deputy legal director. "It is beyond Orwellian, and it provides further evidence of the extent to which basic democratic rights are being surrendered in secret to the demands of unaccountable intelligence agencies."

The program was put in place under the Patriot Act’s Section 215, a controversial provision that authorizes the government to seek secret court orders for the production of "any tangible thing" relevant to a foreign-intelligence or terrorism investigation. Recipients of Section 215 orders, such as telecommunications companies, are prohibited from disclosing that they gave the government their customers’ records.

"Now that this unconstitutional surveillance effort has been revealed, the government should end it and disclose its full scope, and Congress should initiate a full investigation," said Michelle Richardson, legislative counsel with the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "This disclosure also highlights the growing gap between the public’s and the government’s understandings of the many sweeping surveillance authorities enacted by Congress. Since 9/11, the government has increasingly classified and concealed not just facts, but the law itself. Such extreme secrecy is inconsistent with our democratic values of open government and accountability."
...

http://www.aclu.org/national-security-technology-and-liberty/massive-nsa-phone-data-mining-operation-revealed

[morningfog]

14. How are the propagandists spinning this?

[WillyT]

15. Don't Know Yet... BUT...

Go here to Google's News Link on this story,and watch them flood in.

It'ss being picked up everywhere, and I've been sitting here, just watching them scroll on and on.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/lyw2mtl

[morningfog]

16. Glad it is getting eyes, hopefully it has legs.

[tex-wyo-dem]

18. It will be interesting to see how the RW...

Propoganda machine handles this as the program was put in place to benefit the corporatists, which the propogandists carry water for. My guess is that they will sacrifice the program to demonize Obama.

[UrbScotty]

19. So the order was given by a Reagan-appointed judge? Why is Obama being blamed for it?

Last time I checked, the judicial and executive branches are two different branches.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

21. You left out the whole "FBI" part -

This was a request to the Court from the FBI -- you know them, the group that is the investigative force for the Justice Department? The Justice Department headed by Obama appointee Eric Holder? A request of this scope and nature came from the top and with the permission of the Top.

[WillyT]

22. The Judge Didn't Come To The Executive Wanting To Do This...

The executive came to the judge.

And I'm pretty sure the FBI and the NSA are under the purview of the executive branch.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

23. I was scratching my head at that one, too.

[WillyT]

24. LOL !!!

How ya doin?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

32. Up in Tahoe --

Mom had a cornea transplant, so I'm working around the house and enjoying the beautiful Tahoe weather.

[WillyT]

33. Perfect Weekend To Be Up There...Gonna Be Hot In The Valley...

[rhett o rick]

25. You cant be series. Reagan is dead. Obama is calling the shots.

The justice branch didnt ask for the order. The executive branch asked.

If Pres Obama isnt responsible, then who is???

[Solly Mack]

20. K&R

[rhett o rick]

26. This says "Top Secret" how did it get released? nm

[WillyT]

28. It Also Says...

Declassify on: 12 April 2038

[WestStar]

31. Karl Rove

It's the answer to everything.

[ucrdem]

27. Well at least we know the Gaurdian is some kind of espionage front.

Always figured it was. And if Mr Holder wants to start saving my landline billing record I guess I can clean out a dusty drawer or two.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

30. Hahaha.

Unreal.



This is disgusting whether its a R or D, Ron Wyden tried to warn us.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

34. "...espionage front."

Seriously? Did you really just type that? The Guardian is one of the more impeccable news sources out there. Their work during the Bush years was critical in undermining the Administrations lies on Iraq and a whole host of other wrongdoings.

[Hissyspit]

36. Oh for chrissake...

[ohheckyeah]

29. WTF?

I don't even know what to say.

[Canuckistanian]

35. ONE single document

Effectively nullifies the 4th Amendment.

And nobody challenges it. Or protests it. Or even gives a shit... outside of a small circle of friends.

[randome]

38. Phone numbers are obviously already part of the carrier's records.

Do you think a private corporation does not already make use of this data?

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[Canuckistanian]

40. You sign an agreement with the phone company allowing them to do that (which is bad enough)

But there is NOTHING in the agreement either expressed or implied that you agree to have your information turned over to the GOVERNMENT.

Big difference

[WillyT]

39. Kick !!!

[WillyT]

41. And Another...

[Savannahmann]

42. Nuts

This is enough to make George Orwell stand up from his grave and scream at us all. So many defenders of the party here think all this is just fine. Sad to say, part of me wishes that there was a Republican in office so we could again stand on principle and scream about Government intrusion like we used to. At least then, I wouldn't feel responsible, like I campaigned for the guy who is doing this to us.

[The Link]

43. Wait...aren't we supposed to be blaming Verizon?

[struggle4progress]

44. "... The order ... directs a Verizon Communications subsidiary, Verizon Business Network Services,

to turn over ... all call logs ... Verizon Business Network Services is one of the nation’s largest telecommunications and Internet providers for corporations. It is not clear whether similar orders have gone to other parts of Verizon ..."
U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls
By CHARLIE SAVAGE and EDWARD WYATT
Published: June 5, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130606&_r=0

[WillyT]

45. Last Kick From Me...

Declassify on: 12 April 2038

[suffragette]

46. I'll add a K &R for you

[WillyT]

47. Thank You For That !!!

[woo me with science]

48. K&R