LBJ and Senator Dirksen: Nixon's unpunished treason...

[cascadiance]

Nixon's campaign committed treason before his initial presidential campaign when LBJ was revealed a tape that showed Nixon's people working with the Viet Cong to keep the Vietnamese war going instead of going to a treaty that LBJ was negotiating. Dirksen agreed here on a video that what Nixon was doing was treason.

LBJ had his National Security Advisor take the evidence of this event, even though it was kept quiet with him when LBJ left the White House. It is said that Nixon, knowing about this evidence of his treason engineered the Watergate break ins to try and find this evidence, which gave us the whole Watergate mess too...

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/03/lbjs-x-file-on-nixons-treason/

Just think of how many of our fathers, grandfathers, etc. would still be alive today if LBJ had been able to negotiate that treaty instead of the war being prolonged then unnecessarily. We wouldn't have even gone in to Cambodia.

My thoughts for all of those vets who gave their lives then. They have honor, but those that kept this war going don't.

[Sherman A1]

1. K&R

Thanks for Posting. Yes, you just wonder how things could have been different if this was revealed at the time.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. And Kissinger was the architect and the facilitator.

Kissinger -- whom the current president consults from time to time. Kissinger -- still alive and still on top of the heap for Most Evil, Vile Man in America. Watch the Trial of Henry Kissinger here (if you have the stomach):

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-trials-of-henry-kissinger/

[byeya]

23. Kissinger was a pustulant warmonger and #1 in the voting for Worst.

[upi402]

33. and the media kept fawning over him

instead of asking a few damn questions

[lpbk2713]

3. Must be how RayGun got the idea to backstab Carter.

SSDD

[hootinholler]

20. Well, Nixon was Prescot's protege.

Poppy was involved in the Bay of Pigs fiasco which was organized by Nixon. I'm sure they had conversations on many subjects over the years.

[cascadiance]

4. Here's the longer version of the conversation with Dirksen...

... that has Lyndon Johnson saying Nixon committed treason that was missing from the earlier story.

[democrat2thecore]

25. LBJ/Obama

Somebody a couple of weeks ago was talking about President Obama's aversion to picking up the phone and talking with members of even our own party, much less Republicans. Listening to that call to Sen. Dirksen made me think of the contrast. LBJ was a son of a bitch, but he got things done. He was a strong president who picked up the phone all the time to try to talk sense into people on both sides of the aisle. His tapes are fascinating as you see he knew exactly how to use the "bully pulpit."

[roamer65]

5. That really makes sense of Watergate.

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I have always believed it was about something more than McGovern's election plans. Looks like Christopher Hitchens had it right in his book on Kissenger and Nixon.

Why didn't LBJ go public with this information in 1968??? I think that is a good question to ask as well.

For Nixon to be so sure this kind of evil gamble would work, he must have had something on LBJ.

Makes me really wonder now what was on that 18.5 minute gap.

[cascadiance]

6. Nixon as VP to Eisenhower was pushing for intervention before JFK and LBJ too...

... and Eisenhower limited U.S. presence to "advisors" to take over the vacuum left by the French...

And it had been revealed later too that Nixon as president had considered using nukes in Vietnam, and it was our war protests and activism in the streets that kept him from doing that.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB195/

Daniel Ellsberg has spoken a number of times about Nixon's plans to use nukes as well (I attended one of his talks a few years ago)...

Part 1:

Part 2:

[byeya]

24. Ike also reneged on the promised unification elections in Viet Nam. The war, USA version, started

with Eisenhower. Ike was shite.

[YOHABLO]

7. And LBJ had to deal with the alleged attack in the Gulf of Tonkin .. but Nixon was an evil man.

[ashling]

8. "his initial presidential campaign"

This was campaign #2.

However, I don't have any trouble believing that some of Nixon's deceptions and other duplicity prior to 1960 might have been treasonous.

[cascadiance]

12. You're right he ran against Kennedy earlier... I should have probably said his first

presidential term... He did get reelected in his second term while Watergate was happening.

[G_j]

9. Who Should Concede? The Secret History of Modern U.S. Politics

Who Should Concede?
The Secret History of Modern U.S. Politics

By Robert Parry

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/111300a.html

<snip>
For the past four decades, the Republicans have built a record of dirty tricks and October Surprises in presidential contests. And typically, it is the Democrats who stay silent after learning of the schemes – to avert constitutional crises and avoid public disillusionment with the political process.
<snip>

The Vietnam War was raging and was creating deep divisions within the Democratic Party. In October 1968, President Lyndon Johnson was maneuvering to achieve the framework for a peace settlement with North Vietnam and the Viet Cong through negotiations in Paris.

<snip>
Journalist Seymour Hersh described the initiative sketchily in his biography of Henry Kissinger, The Price of Power. Hersh reported that U.S. intelligence “agencies had caught on that Chennault was the go-between between Nixon and his people and President Thieu in Saigon. … The idea was to bring things to a stop in Paris and prevent any show of progress.”

<snip>

“In the end, though, Johnson’s advisers decided it was too late and too potentially damaging to U.S. interests to uncover what had been going on,” Summers wrote. “If Nixon should emerge as the victor, what would the Chennault outrage do to his viability as an incoming president? And what effect would it have on American opinion about the war?”
<snip>

A late Humphrey surge fell short. Nixon won the election.
<snip>

[WheelWalker]

10. Kick

[Skidmore]

11. Nixon's legacy is a particularly insidious and destructive one. We are still

reaping the destruction he sowed. So many of these nasty R power brokers were birthed in the viper's pit of the Nixon administration.

[cascadiance]

16. And to think even Ellsberg says in the above speech that he was "to the left" of Clinton!

When he put in place things like the EPA, etc. that would make many feel that he wasn't so evil, when at his core, people like him and Kissinger were all about having power and wielding it sometimes very cruelly.

I think that's why it's so important today even to look at our own party's pols sometimes to look below the window dressing to see where their heart is, and what they are really doing to "fight city hall", when today "city hall" is so much more powerful and working against all of us. And "City Hall" probably doesn't let us hear about the evils of many of today's pols like we had a chance to hear about them in the past with those like Deep Throat and Daniel Ellsberg feeling empowered to tell us the truth, instead of slapped down so heavily like Bradly Manning has been.

[roamer65]

13. Makes me really wonder about the 18.5 minute gap.

[zbdent]

17. I always say it was discussions about Nixon's involvement in assassinating JFK ...

(if true)

Something like that would have not only destroyed the GOP, but plunged this nation into darkness that would make 9/11/2001 look like a cherry bomb in a toilet ...

[roamer65]

19. That "Bay of Pigs" thing...as Nixon called it.

Certainly in the realm of possibilities.

[mercymechap]

14. Like we all knew.........

Nixon was a crook!

[indepat]

15. Now, now, we must not stoop to letting transgressions such as treason be a reason to try to thwart

the rising political aspirations of Republican operatives.

[ramapo]

18. "Peace with Honor"

Not only did Nixon tamper with the treaty negotiations in 1968, but he then prolonged the war four more years so he could use it in his reelection campaign. His "Peace with Honor" motto was a centerpiece of his 1972 capaign against McGovern.

In many ways, Nixon is far preferable to the current batch of Republicans but the fact that he is a treasonous war criminal cannot be overlooked.

[rhett o rick]

21. This is bigger than Nixon or LBJ. Crimes have been committed by many of these

people but they are immune to any prosecution because they all belong to the same club. Pres Obama belongs to that club also.

It wouldnt surprise me in the least if Pres Obama pardons the Cheney-Iraq cabal.

[Canuckistanian]

22. Thom Hartmann has played this clip many times

Why in the world did LBJ and those who knew about this say nothing?

[MrSlayer]

26. Because he illegally bugged Nixon's campaign plane.

It's all about preserving the office. They all protect one another's back. One of the things the plumbers wanted most was the evidence and transcripts of the airplane bugs.

LBJ also hated Humphrey, he wasn't going to help him.

[Canuckistanian]

29. Really? LBJ hated Humphrey?

Never heard that before.

[MrSlayer]

30. Yeah, he was not a fan. At all.

I highly recommend the book "The Presidents Club". It is chock full of great stories and facts I never knew before. It covers Hoover to Obama and how they interact(ed) with each other.

My two favorites are Nixon and Carter.

Nixon, of course, did some fucked up things but may have been the smartest President of modern times, he's incredibly fascinating. And Carter just doesn't give a fuck about anything but doing the right thing. Politics and respect be damned.

Buy it, borrow it, steal it. Whatever you have to do. Just read it.

[Canuckistanian]

31. Thanks

I'll look it up.

[Raine]

32. THANKS for the book suggestion, sounds interesting. I'm going

to see if I can get a hold of it. Love him or hate him Nixon is fascinating IMO. And Carter, a really good guy whose underated.

[dflprincess]

34. Tom Lehrer's "Whatever Became of Hubert?"

[villager]

27. ...and more sad evidence that the Democratic refusal to ever hold Republicans to account...

...for their ongoing, treasonous misdeeds has led the nation to its present ruinous precipice...

[Smarmie Doofus]

28. Humphrey NEVER had a lead over Nixon in the polls.

As far as I can remember, anyway.

Maybe the very last weekend before election day: one poll, I think it was Harris, had him up nationally by about 1%. But the other polls including Gallup had Nixon winning by 2% or more.

My guess is HHH didn't release the evidence because he didn't HAVE the evidence. Johnson HAD it... or his people did... and a late charge of this kind by HHH w/o incontrovertible evidence in his possession would have smelled like desperation.

[Mojorabbit]

35. Wow! I did not know this! nt