The President Couldn't Be Playing Three Dimensional Chess Here With This IRS Mess - Could He?....

[global1]

Could this so-called IRS scandal be turned around to hurt the conservative non-profit organizations like Rove's Crossroads and the Koch Bros. Americans For Prosperity?

Just thinking out loud here.

I thinking that the Repugs will be calling for hearings on this IRS mess. If they do - I'm wondering if they might be stepping into it here.

My understanding is that these 501 (c) (4)'s can't be all political and have to be involved with social issues. Hasn't Lawrence O'Donnell spoken to this issue. Something about a 1959 interpretation by the IRS. I'm also led to believe that donors to these organizations do not need to be exposed.

I'm thinking that the outcome of these hearings might be that there needs to be better clarification of these types of organizations so that it makes it clear as to how to review these organizations and cite them should they not be living up to their intended mission because they have become too political.

Could this be a backdoor way of attempting to counteract some of the political, financial, and detrimental ramifications of Citizens United? Will laws be proposed to make it clearer as to how the IRS is to review this matter?

Will the Repugs regret pushing this issue? Will Rove and the Koch Brothers call off Boehner, Issa and the House Repugs and tell them to tone down their attacks - cause it could come back to bite them?

Hmmmnm...... or am I missing something here?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. Enough with the wily chess. If he wants to go after them..just go after them, and say so.

[bowens43]

2. ROFLMAO! Let's hope not , Obama is one horrible chess player.

[badtoworse]

4. I think the word is patzer

[The Blue Flower]

3. Lax enforcement re: being nonpolitical affects us all

I'm expecting that the investigation and outcome will be good for the country as a whole. The IRS going after anti-war and anti-Bush/Cheney groups was a blatant problem that Congress should have been overseeing. Now that the tables have turned, the R's are squealing. An investigation will be a good opportunity to delve into the past and make sure it doesn't happen to anyone in the future.

I'm convinced that what they're complaining about is no more than the IRS actually doing its job, though. The response of the right proves that these were political groups undeserving of tax waivers.

[aristocles]

5. Charlie Rangel call for Obama to come clean.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/charlie-rangel-irs-associated-press-comments-91398.html?hp=r6

[Mojorabbit]

6. No. nt

[former9thward]

7. Your understanding is wrong.

501c4s can involve themselves in politics. Organizing for America, the former Obama for America, is a 501c4. Politics can't be the primary mission but they can be political.

[global1]

11. Here's What I Said....

"My understanding is that these 501 (c) (4)'s can't be all political and have to be involved with social issues."

I know they can involve themselves in politics - but they have to adhere to a certain percentage political and not be all political. My understanding is that some of these organizations were more political than they were allowed to be.

[former9thward]

12. Unfortunately there is no line.

The tax law is very blurry here and what one organization might get away with another might get called on it. I direct a 501c3 and we can't be political at all.

[global1]

13. I'm On The Board Of A 501 (c) (3) Myself...

and hear you. I just know there is a distinction between a 3 and a 4 and a 4 can be political to a certain extent.

[Puzzledtraveller]

8. Maybe he should have started #2 with a clean slate, a new deck of cards

For all the confidence and backing he gives his appointees, cabinet and other persons it sure seems like he's the last to know what heck is going on.

[Xyzse]

9. I don't know, however I think him coming out against the IRS as hard as he did might have been wrong

The time period of the scandal as I understood it is as follows:

Citizen's United was Enacted by the Supreme Court
A Flood of new 501(c)(4)s came out, many of which had similar traits, which were based upon politics.
IRS created a task force to look in to those similar groups to see if they do pass muster and are in the bounds of the law for efficiency.

To me, this is another trumped up scandal that may have unfortunately been legitimized by the President.

The problem with the 501(c)(4)s is that it is unlike the 501(c)(3)s which are not allowed to play politics. They have a limited ability to do so. Which makes it confusing, so it makes sense to check them out a bit more.

Of course, now that it has been legitimized, it has blown up to crazy proportions.

[Cracklin Charlie]

10. Always seems more like rope-a-dope, to me.

Lay on the ropes, and let your opponent jab themselves dizzy...then come at 'em with a vicious flurry of well placed punches.