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A 5-year-old boy in Kentucky shot and killed his 2-year-old sister on Tuesday while playing with a .22 caliber rifle that he was given as a gift, state police said in a statement.
According to the Lexington Herald-Leader, the shooting happened at the familys home in Cumberland County around 1 p.m. The 2-year-old girl was later pronounced dead at Cumberland County Hospital.
He said the children's mother was at home when the shooting occurred, and the gun was a gift the boy received last year.
"It's a Crickett," he said. "It's a little rifle for a kid. ...The little boy's used to shooting the little gun."
White said the gun was kept in a corner, and the family did not realize a shell had been left in it.
http://www.kentucky.com/2013/04/30/2621458/5-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots.html
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/01/kentucky-5-year-old-gets-rifle-as-gift-and-shoots-2-year-old-sister-dead/
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I suspect they will pray, and claim it was god's choice.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I got a .22 rifle for Christmas the year I was nine. Five is too young to understand the responsibility involved with owning a firearm. And keeping it propped in a corner? Not in a gun cabinet, on a closet shelf, somewhere the kid couldn't get it? Irresponsible and stupid, and now a little girl is dead.
tblue37
(65,340 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)eight is when I taught my kids but when I wasn't with them the guns were locked in a safe. They never had unsupervised access to guns.
thecrow
(5,519 posts)Five years old?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)pstokely
(10,528 posts)?
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)No kids...I don't know anything about kid crap
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Not an excuse for having a gun out. But a kid being out of school at age five is unsurprising..
pstokely
(10,528 posts)He might old enough for Kindergarten
gollygee
(22,336 posts)a lot of school districts still have half-day kindergarten.
It could also be preschool age, with this being the end of the school year, depending on when he turned 5.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)That's insane. To ratchet the insanity up to a higher level, the adults who thought this was a good idea left it loaded and where he could access it.
Such an avoidable tragedy.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I've been proven wrong.
I cannot imagine how anyone couldn't have foreseen a tragic ending when they gave a deadly firearm to a preschooler as a gift.
librechik
(30,674 posts)needless to say, he turned into a troubled man.
eissa
(4,238 posts)I don't give a damn about the parents. I hope their daughter's death haunts them for the rest of their lives. But the boy? He's going to have to live with the fact that he killed his sister. And I somehow don't think these parents are the type that believe in therapy. They'll just try to pray the guilt away.
Segami
(14,923 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Gallows humor.
Lawrence O'Donnell, in his cool but intense way, was absolutely furious tonight. I'm with him.
marshall
(6,665 posts)He could be concentrating, but it's very strange that after he's shot his sister his parents send out a photo of him pointing a gun at a camera.
Rebl
(149 posts)The parents should be charged with manslaughter. Something similar happened in the Kansas City area earlier this year. Of course the adults were not charged and the child that did the shooting will live with this the rest of his life. We need to start charging the adults when something like this happens. I'm sick of hearing stories like this. Shouldn't the adults at least be charged with child endangerment?
Bryn
(3,621 posts)This must have been hard.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)I'm sorry
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)malaise
(268,969 posts)because the parents gave them Nazi names but they can give kids weapons
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)It's NOT their right to allow it to be available and loaded, without supervision.
Not only do they have a dead baby now, but their five-year-old gets to be consumed with guilt for life.
I would say they are unfit to be parents.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)As far as I understand gun ownership as a "right" is not limited to adults. Scary thought. I hope someone will show up and let me know that is wrong.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just like voting and alcohol.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)denying gun owners (regardless of age, I presume) access to bullets, or making bullets expensive by way of taxing them is tantamount to denying them their right to own guns. That five-year old has a right to both rifle and bullet, and if he manages to load the rifle, more power to him! (do I need the sarcasm tag for that last sentence?)
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)That anyone could consider it a good idea for a child to own a gun let and even worse, to market guns to kids.
I actually got shot with a BB gun when I was a kid 8-9. It was an accident and the kid who did it was a few years older than me. It is probably happening to a lot of kids now.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It's a sickness, in my opinion. Children have guns? Heck, I think it's over the top for ordinary adults to own pistols, guns, semi-automatics, anything but ordinary hunting rifles of the variety where you have to reload after each shot. Or perhaps four shots, if you take bears into consideration. Anything else shows a disgusting interest in killing that makes my skin crawl.
So it's a good thing I live in Norway, I guess.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)I'm completely baffled by it. Makes my skin crawl, too.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)A child is dead because the parents were not responsible enough to properly store a dangerous device. "I didn't know the gun was loaded" is a very poor excuse.
I realize that accidents do happen and that it is almost impossible to protect your children from every situation that could cause harm, but leaving a firearm within reach of a child is negligence, pure and simple.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)celebrities, the Bush family, schools or religious institutions. Things that would be criminal in other spheres, in these cases are called: accidents, horse play, bullying, hazing and allegations. Investigations are either skipped or "handled internally."
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)children. Social services need to "clean house" and these people need to have their gun rights taken away, the same as if they were driving drunk and committed manslaughter.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Parent gives kid deadly weapon and kid kills someone, nothing happens.
I agree. Someone should be charged.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)with involuntary manslaughter. The negligence and recklessness of gun owners who allow this kind of thing to happen must be addressed. It's the only way you get stupid people to
wise up. It is the parents' duty to keep loaded guns away from kids. Duty.
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"There are two types of involuntary manslaughter statutes: criminally negligent manslaughter and unlawful act manslaughter. Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs when death results from a high degree of negligence or recklessness. Modern criminal codes generally require a consciousness of risk and under some codes the absence of this element makes the offense a less serious Homicide.
An omission to act or a failure to perform a duty constitutes criminally negligent manslaughter. The existence of the duty is essential. Since the law does not recognize that an ordinary person has a duty to aid or rescue another in distress, a death resulting from an ordinary person's failure to act is not manslaughter. On the other hand, an omission by someone who has a duty, such as a failure to attempt to save a drowning person by a lifeguard, might constitute involuntary manslaughter.
In many jurisdictions death that results from the operation of a vehicle in a criminally negligent manner is punishable as a separate offense. Usually it is considered a less severe offense than involuntary manslaughter. These jurisdictions usually call the offense reckless homicide, negligent homicide, or vehicular homicide. One reason for this lesser offense is the reluctance of juries to convict automobile drivers of manslaughter."
bowens43
(16,064 posts)gun lovers are some sick individuals. Having a desire to won a gun without a clear need is a definite sign of mental illness.....giving a gun to a child is bat shit crazy. These parents should spend a long long time in jail.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)An accident is something that isn't preventable, Mr. Coroner. Your quote should have been, "Just another case of parents being negligent."
Segami
(14,923 posts)red dog 1
(27,797 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)He shouldn't be making statements that are a based on legalities.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)found the gun. If he/she had shot and killed someone or himself/herself would it still be a "crazy accident" or would charges be filed against the adults who left the weapon where it could be accessed by a child?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,112 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)red dog 1
(27,797 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Well, it was just a girl.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)meyer2311
(1 post)And the parents of this 5 year old is the type of responsible people that the GOP are saying the gun laws will alianate. Horible hoeible horible!!!!!!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)else the opponents of sensible gun safety laws will not allow.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)The company that makes the rifle, Milton, Pa.-based Keystone Sporting Arms, has a "Kids Corner" on its website with pictures of young boys and girls at shooting ranges and on bird and deer hunts. It says the company produced 60,000 Crickett and Chipmunk rifles for kids in 2008. The smaller rifles are sold with a mount to use at a shooting range.
Keystone also makes guns for adults, but most of its products are geared toward children, including books and bright orange vests and hats.
"The goal of KSA is to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve," the website said.
.............Sharon Rengers, a longtime child advocate at Kosair Children's Hospital in Louisville, said making and marketing weapons specifically for children was "mind-boggling."
"It's like, oh, my God," she said, "we're having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody's background, but we're going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?"
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/coroner-boy-shoots-year-sister-ky-19088572?page=2
matt819
(10,749 posts)Gun nuts?
get the red out
(13,462 posts)I heard it on the local news this morning. I wish I could say I am surprised, but people just keep getting less intelligent and more irresponsible where fire arms are concerned.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)Another gun death out of more than 80 a day. This one due to making gun nut toys for children. But we can't fix the problem because the gun nuts and their representatives in congress say no.
valerief
(53,235 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)But its perfectly OK for gunner imbeciles to give their four year old a "little" rifle, and leave it in a corner loaded - even unto causing the death of a child.
Trala, it's gunner time in America!
newmember
(805 posts)On a street corner???
Try just doing that inside your house and you could be arrested.
never mind a street corner
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)Last edited Wed May 1, 2013, 07:20 PM - Edit history (2)
A child shouldn't even be handling one until they are at least ten. And even then they should not only be under strict adult supervision until 18, they should have taken some sort of safety training first. (i.e. hunter education, Boy/Girl scout shooting sports merit badge, etc.)
spanone
(135,830 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Remind me again why the 2nd amendment protects the rights of a 5 year old to shoot and kill?
And people here think I'm over the top to suggest confiscating guns.
Giving a 5 year old a .22 is bad enough, but not supervising him proves that some people have no business being parents.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Tanuki
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Only a few of many. WTF is wrong with these parents? There ought to be a law!!!
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_kidscorner.php?osCsid=vsepmlm065lelrqq3gudfb9233
Quantess
(27,630 posts)That is sick.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...wayne lapierre just had a sexual climax.
PEACE!
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)Clearly marketing gun sales to kids. Sick.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)No wonder the police wrote it off as an accident. Nothing could possibly go wrong!
Americans have lost their minds.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)That child should be taken from the home. They can keep their damn guns.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This is the generation we're looking at as this madness is allowed to continue. There are a lot of pictures on the net of these lunatics, and their children are being taught it's beautiful and a good thing. The media, especially alternative or conspiracy media, is teaching them that to give up their guns is a sure death, and that they should be willing to kill any person that says otherwise.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I'm still fuming from that picture. I don't think I could see any more.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Good thought.
malaise
(268,969 posts)I'd be arrested for negligence. Tell me how and why the parents haven't been charged for manslaughter here?
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)If a child came to my home and found an unsecured, loaded gun and proceeded to kill or injure himself/herself or another child, I'm pretty sure I would be held responsible and charged with negligence, in the very least. I don't understand why that doesn't apply in cases like this.
malaise
(268,969 posts)This has to stop
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Unfuggenbelievable.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)I'm confused, is it the 5 year old that's mentally ill? The parents? Maybe the victim herself? There must be some kind of mental illness here because guns don't kill people! Ain't that right?
timdog44
(1,388 posts)And accidents, I was always taught, are preventable. So we've eliminated any excuse for the parents killing their daughter by using their son to do it. Now they have a dead child, and an up and coming disturbed person, who should be taken away from them.
red dog 1
(27,797 posts)They could have given the boy a toy rifle or a cap pistol instead.
I'll bet the parents don't spend even one day in the slammer, even though they both should be arrested, tried and convicted under whatever federal or state statute covers this type of parental irresponsibility.
As far as that coroner's statement: "It's just one of those crazy accidents", I say BULLSHIT.
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)I will say it again. Five is too young for a kid to have a BB Gun let alone a firearm.
red dog 1
(27,797 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)they are just to stupid to feel any remorse. Giving a gun to a 5 year old and leaving it loaded is beyond stupid.
Mojo Electro
(362 posts)she could have defended herself.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)One shot and they drop like a ton of bricks. We were given guns at a young age and clearly understood what they did. My Dad taught us to use them. We boys fought over who got to kill the animals we slaughtered for our food, but we didn't get violent about it. We hunted rabbits in winter for the table.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)It is really fucked up.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Mopar151
(9,983 posts)None of us had any doubt what happens to any creature that is shot at close range. Understanding that real life is not TV is very important in all of this sort of thing - and it's a farming thing, too. Some of farming isn't nice, and we learned very young that doing that humanely and correctly is very important. As any good hunter will tell you, fear makes the meat tough - so terrorizing the animal is a waste any way you look at it.
As for all aspects of gun safety - our dads were WW2 combat veterans. We were not allowed to point so much as a stick at each other like a gun, and guns were kept "put up", not taken out and played with.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Let me guess, you never eat anything because that would involve killing other life forms!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)up pity, though it must be terrible for them.
but why would anyone do that? it just boggles the mind.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)What if he loaded the gun and shot his sister? Little kids get jealous of their siblings (much like pets get jealous of new babies). Regardless, the fault still lies with the parents who should be on their way to prison right now.
aquart
(69,014 posts)So Mom was home and we're sure the kid did it?
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)They need to have their kids taken by the state.
Exaggerate much?
orleans
(34,051 posts)leaving a loaded rifle lying around so your little boy can shoot and kill his little sister.
not unfit parenting?
you don't see a problem with this "parental" behavior?
i guess i don't understand why you're calling "jesus" and throwing out the accusation of exaggeration
it sounds like you're either okay with the little boy having access to this weapon, and thereby the ability to kill his sister -- which he did -- or you think he should remain in the home where this tragedy was allowed to occur.
Bryn
(3,621 posts)Why is it okay to give little kids dangerous guns, but not cigarettes/electronic cigarettes until they're 18? Something's wrong.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)we have a gundamentalist culture.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)You can't get your driver's license in most states until you're at least 16.
But a 4-year-old can possess and use a firearm.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like something's out of whack in this scenario.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)By my father, who carefully supervised me at all times and locked the firearms away in a gunsafe when we were done.
Why teh fuck was a loaded gun lying around unsupervised in a house with children?
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)and never see kid again. Kid should be adopted and receive intensive therapy.
Parents are guilty of murder and should be treated as murderers.
W T F
(1,146 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)If this were a kid who mistakenly brought brownies containing pot to school, the parents would probably be charged and perhaps lose their kids to child protective services.
But here it's just a tragic "accident," and the 2nd Amendment folks probably think the parents are innocent and grieving, so should just be left alone.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)they would have lost driving privileges. These people need to lose their right to guns since they are so negligent in keeping them. That boy needs to be in a gun-free environment.
KinMd
(966 posts)Dpm12
(512 posts)That's fucked up!
Rex
(65,616 posts)They are not toys and to the parents that let their kids play with firearms...read the article.
Buzz505
(92 posts)They got what they wanted.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Uh oh, trouble in Wayne's world.
8 track mind
(1,638 posts)until i was 15. I don't EVEN want to think what he would have done to me if i brought a loaded weapon into the house, or left a firearm sitting in the corner of a room. Handing a five year old a gun is just insane in the first place, but leaving it where he had access to it is an entirely higher level of stupid.
8 track mind
(1,638 posts)orleans
(34,051 posts)Mr.Pain
(52 posts)I'm a gun owner myself and I'm PISSED AS HELL about this. What kind of screwed up excuse for a parent does NOT provide PARENTAL SUPERVISION? Yeah, lets just leave it over in the corner so junior can play with it any time he wants. Did they eat paint chips as kids or did they prefer the purple soup? How is this child supposed to deal with the fact that he killed his little sister? Now he's set to be the suicide poster child for the rest of his life! They would have been better off giving him the car keys!
TOO STUPID FOR REALITY!!!