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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:11 PM Apr 2013

Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study

Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study
The Huffington Post | By Jillian Berman
Posted: 04/29/2013 2:17 pm EDT

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The global super-rich are stashing trillions of dollars offshore with the help of some of the world's biggest banks, putting billions of dollars out of the taxman’s reach and masking wealth inequality's true heights.

Wealthy people were hiding between $21 and $32 trillion in offshore jurisdictions around the world as of 2012, according to a 2012 study from the Tax Justice Network, an organization which aims to promote tax transparency. The study, highlighted by a recent Bloomberg News report, found that more than $12 trillion of that money was managed by 50 international banks, many of which received bailouts during the financial crisis, according to James Henry, the study’s author.


Bloomberg article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-29/billionaires-flee-havens-as-trillions-pursued-offshore.html

“There’s a lot more missing wealth in the world than we had known about from previous estimates,” Henry told The Huffington Post. “The real scandal is not all these individual scandals but the fact that world’s policy makers who know about this stuff, have basically done nothing.”

The issue of wealthy individuals hiding their money offshore has come into sharp focus in recent months as reports, including those of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, have noted the broad scope of the issue.

The study's findings also reveal that the true levels of global income inequality remain unknown, as current estimates do not incorporate the offshore stashes and hence underestimate its true levels. the study found.

The Study (.pdf file): http://www.taxjustice.net/cms/upload/pdf/Price_of_Offshore_Revisited_120722.pdf

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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/wealthy-stashing-offshore_n_3179139.html?utm_hp_ref=business







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Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study (Original Post) WillyT Apr 2013 OP
RightwingWooWoo: "But they pay 70% of all taxes in 'Murica! They need MORE tax cuts!!" BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #1
With That Much Money, Why Is Obama Afraid To Tax Them? cantbeserious Apr 2013 #2
Here we go again... Whiskeytide Apr 2013 #4
Is This Not A Valid Question For The President To Answer cantbeserious Apr 2013 #15
I was being sarcastic... Whiskeytide Apr 2013 #20
Apologies - Agree That The Country Has Been Hijacked cantbeserious May 2013 #21
And Tom Wheeler a former industry lobbyist was named head of the FCC today. Isn't that like letting forward4freedom May 2013 #47
Is that a CT?! OneGrassRoot May 2013 #24
I lost my list... Whiskeytide May 2013 #27
Yo, fellow Steelers fan... OneGrassRoot May 2013 #29
No argument here... Whiskeytide May 2013 #30
There are a few solutions to this, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #3
Angry rec. progressoid Apr 2013 #5
Every man woman and child on the planet could be given millions with that money. AnnieK401 Apr 2013 #6
Actually, about $5,333. joeglow3 Apr 2013 #7
I'll Take That Deal... WillyT Apr 2013 #8
That is a kings ransom in some countries! Rex Apr 2013 #10
Sorry I got my zeros wrong. AnnieK401 Apr 2013 #11
I'd still take it joeglow3 Apr 2013 #12
How would it end world poverty? People would spend the money and be broke again. Flatulo May 2013 #37
Putting $5k in everyone's pocket will create jobs ... Myrina May 2013 #38
Thank you! AnnieK401 May 2013 #40
Moving the goalposts here, but I have to wonder how much those offshore havens are actually Flatulo May 2013 #53
Actually I was thinking of a statement by Oxfam AnnieK401 May 2013 #42
There's a lot of work that Isn't Getting Done Demeter May 2013 #49
which would be a fortune in a lot of the third world... HiPointDem Apr 2013 #14
Technically population is now above 7 Billion. Sirveri May 2013 #22
True, I thought of that AnnieK401 May 2013 #41
Actually I could use a check for $5,333 right now. It could help totodeinhere May 2013 #48
Holyshit!!!!! Rex Apr 2013 #9
kr HiPointDem Apr 2013 #13
They got banks but they don't have a military... kentuck Apr 2013 #16
Really... you think they don't pull the strings of the US DoD? Sirveri May 2013 #23
Good to see this back in the news malaise Apr 2013 #17
The kicker is that none of that money is really "offshore" at all. reformist2 Apr 2013 #18
How so? oldhippie May 2013 #28
Well I shouldn't have said "none," but most of it is invested in major stock and bond markets. reformist2 May 2013 #31
It really isn't even 'money' ... it's data. Myrina May 2013 #39
Now would be a good time for a Jubilee in reverse. corkhead Apr 2013 #19
So where are the jobs these "job creators" are famous for? byeya May 2013 #25
Wall Street/Banks getting their campaign dollars worth highmindedhavi May 2013 #26
Where the Hell, is Melvin Purvis? Hubert Flottz May 2013 #32
What's wrong with this picture? Octafish May 2013 #33
I hope the people and the banks are exposed, prosecuted, pay all they owe & r fined on top of it. judesedit May 2013 #34
I'll take my $5,333.00 in cash, straight to the farm in Ohio, thanks. Plus interest on me humping toby jo May 2013 #35
Offshore banking exists because the rich and powerful want it. closeupready May 2013 #36
re:Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study allan01 May 2013 #43
k&r Starry Messenger May 2013 #44
Just a dream Eljo_Don May 2013 #45
That "money" is electronic data, not cash or coin Demeter May 2013 #50
invade Eljo_Don May 2013 #46
The imagination staggers, while the mind cannot comprehend. WinkyDink May 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton May 2013 #52

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
1. RightwingWooWoo: "But they pay 70% of all taxes in 'Murica! They need MORE tax cuts!!"
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:15 PM
Apr 2013

I am so sick and tired of the stupid in this country who still have the right to vote - and who are undermining this country with that vote just to enrich the already obscenely rich. Ugh!

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
20. I was being sarcastic...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 09:49 PM
Apr 2013

... I think it is precisely because they have so much money that he is afraid to offend them. Don't get me too wrong - I generally like Obama. But I am a die-hard believer in the CT that the power structure in this country has been hijacked by special corporate interests, and his record on cleaning that mess up has not been very encouraging.

forward4freedom

(18 posts)
47. And Tom Wheeler a former industry lobbyist was named head of the FCC today. Isn't that like letting
Wed May 1, 2013, 09:38 PM
May 2013

the fox guard the hen house? Whoever controls the media controls reality.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
24. Is that a CT?!
Wed May 1, 2013, 07:26 AM
May 2013

I thought it was common knowledge that this country -- especially DC -- has been hijacked by corporate, BIG MONEY interests.



Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
27. I lost my list...
Wed May 1, 2013, 10:29 AM
May 2013

... so I can't tell the difference between the ones that are established as fact and those that are still in the CT stage. I know there are filters on the internet, the reactor in Fukushima is boring through the Earth's mantle and will soon reach the core, and that Al Qaeda owns a controlling share of FOX News. I'm still investigating the possibility that a foreign based cabal of Moose and possibly Camels are conspiring to launch a wave of ping pong ball attacks in the US. I'll keep you posted.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
29. Yo, fellow Steelers fan...
Wed May 1, 2013, 10:51 AM
May 2013

I hear you!

That foreign-based cabal of Moose (not sure about camels) story has LEGS, I'm tellin' ya!





Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
30. No argument here...
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

... What did you think of the Steeler's draft? The Landry Jones pick surprised me a little.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
7. Actually, about $5,333.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:30 PM
Apr 2013

32 trillion given out to 6 billione people would be about $5,333 per person.

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
11. Sorry I got my zeros wrong.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 04:51 PM
Apr 2013

OK, it would be a few thousand each with just that money. Still, it could end world poverty. Thanks for the math lesson.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
37. How would it end world poverty? People would spend the money and be broke again.
Wed May 1, 2013, 02:41 PM
May 2013

People need jobs, not gifts.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
38. Putting $5k in everyone's pocket will create jobs ...
Wed May 1, 2013, 03:36 PM
May 2013

.... people will, as you said, spend it. Spending money on stuff creates demand. When there's demand, companies (theoretically) hire. And when they hire, neighboring service providers hire. And then there's tax revenue. So infrastructure can be built. Which creates more jobs. Which creates more income. Which creates more spending. And upward the cycle goes.

Get it?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
53. Moving the goalposts here, but I have to wonder how much those offshore havens are actually
Thu May 2, 2013, 08:37 PM
May 2013

capitalized? I wouldn't be surprised if they're leveraged 100 to one or worse. Even our 'legit' Wall Street banks were ridiculously over-leverage.

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
42. Actually I was thinking of a statement by Oxfam
Wed May 1, 2013, 05:19 PM
May 2013

but, again technically, they were talking about the annual income of the 100 wealthiest people in the world being enough to end global poverty 4 times over. Although I do get your point. Unfortunately, there are more people than jobs, and not everyone is able to work.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
49. There's a lot of work that Isn't Getting Done
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:12 AM
May 2013

because it doesn't generate Corporate Profits.

And there's a lot of work that gets no payment whatsoever...usually done by women.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
14. which would be a fortune in a lot of the third world...
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

and a nice little windfall for much of the first: in the us it's 10% of annual median household income.

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
41. True, I thought of that
Wed May 1, 2013, 05:13 PM
May 2013

Technically it would probably be closer to 4K something. But it doesn't change the point.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
48. Actually I could use a check for $5,333 right now. It could help
Thu May 2, 2013, 12:03 AM
May 2013

me get caught up on a few nagging bills.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
17. Good to see this back in the news
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 08:28 PM
Apr 2013

it was just below the surface before that horrific bombing in Boston

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
31. Well I shouldn't have said "none," but most of it is invested in major stock and bond markets.
Wed May 1, 2013, 11:16 AM
May 2013

If that money were truly being invested in far-flung places, say Madagascar, then the billionaires might have something. But no, it's "domiciled" in Caribbean beach resorts like the Cayman Islands, or little islands off the UK which pretend to be independent. The money then cycles right back to where it was before - New York, London, etc. So for them to pretend that their money is really invested offshore isn't just tax evasion, it's legalized fraud.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
39. It really isn't even 'money' ... it's data.
Wed May 1, 2013, 03:39 PM
May 2013

I will always love the movie Sneakers, in which, at the end, having got hold of a decrypting device, the heroes do anonymous transfers from the RNC and other Right Wing bank accounts into UNCF, Greenpeace and a couple other "leftie"/community serving orgs.

Really all it would take ... some creative keystrokes.

 

highmindedhavi

(355 posts)
26. Wall Street/Banks getting their campaign dollars worth
Wed May 1, 2013, 10:01 AM
May 2013

They donate the most and are now "too big to prosecute".

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
32. Where the Hell, is Melvin Purvis?
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:07 PM
May 2013

America Today = Government By the Crooks and For the Crooks.

The Banksters have taken to robbing their own banks without firing a shot.



The Crooks control Washington today with political bribery, just like old Al Capone once controlled Chicago's sold out City Hall.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
33. What's wrong with this picture?
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:10 PM
May 2013

"One of the things that is interesting about reading conspiracy theory is that much of what folks think is conspiracy is really many people acting in concert to make or protect their money." -- Catherine Austin Fitts.

judesedit

(4,443 posts)
34. I hope the people and the banks are exposed, prosecuted, pay all they owe & r fined on top of it.
Wed May 1, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

Anonymous is working on it now.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
35. I'll take my $5,333.00 in cash, straight to the farm in Ohio, thanks. Plus interest on me humping
Wed May 1, 2013, 02:00 PM
May 2013

the austerity thing.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
36. Offshore banking exists because the rich and powerful want it.
Wed May 1, 2013, 02:04 PM
May 2013

No other reason. They want to hide assets from not only the taxman but from civil judgments, like ex-wives, children, creditors, etc.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
43. re:Global Super-Rich Stashing Up To $32 Trillion Offshore, Masking True Scale Of Inequality: Study
Wed May 1, 2013, 07:59 PM
May 2013

they cant take it with them !

Eljo_Don

(100 posts)
45. Just a dream
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:06 PM
May 2013

Last night I had a dream. A bunch of veterans got together and decided to do something about the offshore banks and the tax evasion. With their military training expertise they organized into a practical attack unit. They got some boats and went directly to a caribbean island called Caiman. they arrived at midnight. First, they took down all means of communications. They went directly to the central bank and took all the money. They left the island and no one noticed what happened. Those ones that had their money in the bank could not say they were robbed. All the money was tax undeclared money.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
50. That "money" is electronic data, not cash or coin
Thu May 2, 2013, 07:17 AM
May 2013

except for whatever %age is in precious metals.

It's all "paper money".

Far better to let the geeks wipe out or transfer their bank balances...that's what is their real fear and the actual threat to the wealth they stole.

The army will be needed to liberate the real estate and factories. And escort the Greedy to the borders, or the court system.

Eljo_Don

(100 posts)
46. invade
Wed May 1, 2013, 08:36 PM
May 2013

Don't invade Iran, invade all offshore tax heavens and get all the money back. This can solve all U S A economic problems.

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