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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:55 PM Dec 2011

Christopher Hitchens - one of the few reporters who agreed to be waterboarded

I remember all the reporters out there that said that Waterboarding was not torture. They equated it to having a shower or using a neti pot.

Although many times Christopher Hitchens and I were on opposite ends of certain issues in the end he was a man that no matter the opinion I could still respect him. When the controversy about waterboarding came out, Hitchens didn't form an opinion until he himself had a chance to be waterboarded. After lasting about 6 seconds top he had to stop having it done. He documented his waterboarding for Vanity Fair magazine and below is the link to the article and photos.

RIP Christopher Hitchen. The world lost an important voice.


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http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808

Believe Me, It’s Torture

You may have read by now the official lie about this treatment, which is that it “simulates” the feeling of drowning. This is not the case. You feel that you are drowning because you are drowning—or, rather, being drowned, albeit slowly and under controlled conditions and at the mercy (or otherwise) of those who are applying the pressure. The “board” is the instrument, not the method. You are not being boarded. You are being watered. This was very rapidly brought home to me when, on top of the hood, which still admitted a few flashes of random and worrying strobe light to my vision, three layers of enveloping towel were added. In this pregnant darkness, head downward, I waited for a while until I abruptly felt a slow cascade of water going up my nose. Determined to resist if only for the honor of my navy ancestors who had so often been in peril on the sea, I held my breath for a while and then had to exhale and—as you might expect—inhale in turn. The inhalation brought the damp cloths tight against my nostrils, as if a huge, wet paw had been suddenly and annihilatingly clamped over my face. Unable to determine whether I was breathing in or out, and flooded more with sheer panic than with mere water, I triggered the pre-arranged signal and felt the unbelievable relief of being pulled upright and having the soaking and stifling layers pulled off me. I find I don’t want to tell you how little time I lasted.

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Christopher Hitchens - one of the few reporters who agreed to be waterboarded (Original Post) LynneSin Dec 2011 OP
I remember watching this video, which is linked in the VF article RZM Dec 2011 #1
his voice will be missed JitterbugPerfume Dec 2011 #2
I agree LynneSin Dec 2011 #4
Christopher Hitchens, Neocon, DEAD! Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #3
He actually started out as a socialist rox63 Dec 2011 #10
More like a communist. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #29
Hitchens was kinda all over the board LynneSin Dec 2011 #12
I am an Atheist, but I refuse to be a fanboy. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #14
this is as stupid as those who say if you oppose war you support Saddam JI7 Dec 2011 #15
That is a nonsense retort. Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #20
+1000 He was vile (n/t) CrawlingChaos Dec 2011 #17
Thank you! I'm sick of reading the sentimental swooning over this Neo-con's death. nt Critters2 Dec 2011 #26
Too bad there weren't others that tried it out. LiberalFighter Dec 2011 #5
There was some minor right-wing radio personality that tried it too. LynneSin Dec 2011 #6
Wasn't that ManCow? hifiguy Dec 2011 #8
Because "ManBearPig" was taken? Edweird Dec 2011 #28
An imperfect human being, like the rest of us. A very good writer and a daring spirit. RIP leveymg Dec 2011 #7
Agreed 100% hifiguy Dec 2011 #9
Quite admirable themadstork Dec 2011 #11
Hitchens also went to bat for journalists and writers EFerrari Dec 2011 #13
Rushdie was his close associate and fellow Muslim-demonizer CrawlingChaos Dec 2011 #18
That isn't my experience with either of them. And PEN certainly wasn't founded EFerrari Dec 2011 #19
I believe they both serve(d) the same master CrawlingChaos Dec 2011 #22
The Guardian (of course) has a whole page of linked articles Warpy Dec 2011 #16
i'm glad he's dead BOG PERSON Dec 2011 #21
He actually allowed himself to waterboarded, and filmed, Quantess Dec 2011 #23
I didn't see the video but he wrote about it for Vanity Fair magazine LynneSin Dec 2011 #24
And Yet, He Enabled Torturers NashVegas Dec 2011 #25
Exactly. Just a Neo-con POS. nt Critters2 Dec 2011 #27
 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
1. I remember watching this video, which is linked in the VF article
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:59 PM
Dec 2011

He only lasted about 15 seconds. Doesn't look like a good time to me.

JitterbugPerfume

(18,183 posts)
2. his voice will be missed
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:59 PM
Dec 2011

although sometimes he drove me up the wall. It is important to listen to people you disagree with , and he was the best

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. I agree
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:01 PM
Dec 2011

He's one of the few right-wingers that I could tolerate. He wrote regularly for Vanity Fair and I think in the end he was slowly moving towards the middle again.

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
3. Christopher Hitchens, Neocon, DEAD!
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:00 PM
Dec 2011

Advocating actions that have resulted in mass civilian deaths in Iraq, and elsewhere, by waving the Muslim boogeyman, has informed my opinion of him.

rox63

(9,464 posts)
10. He actually started out as a socialist
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:28 PM
Dec 2011

Strange history. Read one of the obits floating around out there.

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
29. More like a communist.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:18 AM
Dec 2011

He did an about-face, though.

I've gotten into some pretty sharp arguments about him and Sam Harris.

About Sam Harris, to advocate nuclear strikes on the Muslim world? What the fuck?

Being HUMANE is more important than these Ivory-Towerish stances.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
12. Hitchens was kinda all over the board
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:47 PM
Dec 2011

And yes, many times he pissed me off.

But in the end he was one that I could read even if in the end I'd think 'What a *#)% idiot'

I could never stomach anything read or said by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, etc. etc.

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
14. I am an Atheist, but I refuse to be a fanboy.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:04 PM
Dec 2011

And same goes for that other warmonger, Sam Harris.

Now, Dan Dennett - he's a real intellectual.

 

Boston_Chemist

(256 posts)
20. That is a nonsense retort.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:11 PM
Dec 2011

Judging someone's character by their actions and words is a perfectly valid thing to do. I evaluate Mr. Hitchens on the basis of what matters, his personal stances vis a vis the human lives of other people. Not whether or not he was a smug, sarcastic asshole during debates.

LiberalFighter

(51,097 posts)
5. Too bad there weren't others that tried it out.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:07 PM
Dec 2011

Like
Rush Limbaugh
Glenn Beck
Bill O'Reilly
Dick Cheney & his wife
Rumsfeld
Condi Rice & her piano
George Bush & his wife

All of the Generals

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
6. There was some minor right-wing radio personality that tried it too.
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:09 PM
Dec 2011

HE came out with the same message - he was being tortured.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
7. An imperfect human being, like the rest of us. A very good writer and a daring spirit. RIP
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:12 PM
Dec 2011

He was wrong about Iraq, but very, very on-target about indicting Henry Kissinger and some other Untouchables for Crimes Against Humanity.

He added a lot to the world.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. Agreed 100%
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:24 PM
Dec 2011

"God is not Great" was a funny, vitriolic and utterly readable book. Hitchens was unafraid to admit his mistakes, and that makes him better than most.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
13. Hitchens also went to bat for journalists and writers
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:51 PM
Dec 2011

that had targets on their backs by governments and political organizations, notably Salman Rushdie. He was one of the moving forces in PEN. He put himself on the line more than once to support freedom of speech in a concrete way.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
22. I believe they both serve(d) the same master
Sat Dec 17, 2011, 12:08 AM
Dec 2011

Each in their own way have helped to increase hostility toward the Islamic world by promoting this bogus, manufactured “clash of civilizations”, and both have attempted to sell the laughable notion of western moral superiority (Rushdie likes to talk about the inherent evils of Muslim “honor culture”). Hitchens has said it was the Rushdie fatwa affair that caused him to take a hard right turn and become a Bush-loving warmonger. Rushdie isn’t openly bloodthirsty in the disgusting manner of Hitchens, but dang, they sure do fawn all over each other (or rather, used to).

I meant no comment toward PEN, which I’m not even familiar with.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
23. He actually allowed himself to waterboarded, and filmed,
Sat Dec 17, 2011, 07:42 PM
Dec 2011

which was a great service to the public. I do remember seeing that video.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
24. I didn't see the video but he wrote about it for Vanity Fair magazine
Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:20 PM
Dec 2011

Too bad other right-wing nut jobs that supported waterboarding didn't do the same thing.

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