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Bloomberg Says Interpretation of Constitution Will Have to Change After Boston Bombinghttp://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomberg-says-post-boston-interpretation-of-the-constitution-will-have-to-change/
In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday the countrys interpretation of the Constitution will have to change to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.
The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry, Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. But we live in a complex world where youre going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.
Mr. Bloomberg, who has come under fire for the N.Y.P.D.s monitoring of Muslim communities and other aggressive tactics, said the rest of the country needs to learn from the attacks.
Look, we live in a very dangerous world. We know there are people who want to take away our freedoms. New Yorkers probably know that as much if not more than anybody else after the terrible tragedy of 9/11, he said.
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I'll be labeled a conspiracy theorist for this, and shamed by the cheerleaders chanting, "just believe what they tell you," but I don't care. Something smells about this whole bombing story to me. I was suspicious, but I also knew I could be wrong. My test was that at some point, if there is some movement toward further restrictions on our freedoms, using the Boston bombing as a reason, being suspicious would be warranted. I really didn't expect it to show up in black and white, plain English, yet there it is. Something ain't right about all this.
Flame if you like, but I didn't write the story.
on edit: NYT Link: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/security-privacy-and-bloomberg/
premium
(3,731 posts)from a 1% POS fucking asshole? He sounds just like that other POS fucking asshole, Bush.
I can't wait for a certain Bloomberg loving DU member to show up and defend Bloomie.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)No idea why so many people here on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND ride this "former" republican's nuts.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 23, 2013, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)
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(19,768 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)We need to change our interpretation when it comes to privacy rights.
That's what he's talking about.
:smh:
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)He doesn't want us to have privacy.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Response to Skip Intro (Original post)
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Deep13
(39,154 posts)This is when we need the 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments most.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Doesn't he have some offshore shelter he should go tend to?
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)neighbor Bloomberg, you are so special I have two things just for you:
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)so in solidarity with these people, we will just give up our freedoms voluntarily
brooklynite
(94,727 posts)That's the Obama Administration that's behind the Conspiracy, right?
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(19,768 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)a Google search pulled up a multitude of web sites had published the article but, Politicker was their source for the story. No MSM outlet has, so far, reported this alleged quote.
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(19,768 posts)This blind spot was in evidence at a press conference yesterday. In response to a question about security post-Boston, he said:
We have to understand that in the world going forward, were going to have more cameras and that kind of stuff. Thats good in some senses, but its different than what we are used to. And the people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry, but we live in a complex world where youre going to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution I think have to change.
His comments, first, were a bit condescending. Americans are fully aware that they had to accept heightened security after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But the idea that traditional notions about the rule of law and the Constitution are inadequate in the age of terrorism is not just wrong, its dangerous. That canard was used as an excuse after 9/11 for all kinds of excesses.
They were the trademark of the administration of President George W. Bush: warrantless wiretapping of Americans, extraordinary rendition, secret detention camps, Guantánamo Bay, torture. Excessive search and surveillance powers were enshrined in the Patriot Act and the expansion of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I'll delete my other comments, but you know you went there when you said this:
I'll be labeled a conspiracy theorist for this, and shamed by the cheerleaders chanting, "just believe what they tell you," but I don't care. Something smells about this whole bombing story to me. I was suspicious, but I also knew I could be wrong. My test was that at some point, if there is some movement toward further restrictions on our freedoms, using the Boston bombing as a reason, being suspicious would be warranted. I really didn't expect it to show up in black and white, plain English, yet there it is. Something ain't right about all this.
First birdies to sing the false flag song were Beck and Jones. So you are going to go there too?
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(19,768 posts)but use your imagination
freshwest
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he said it at a fairly obscure news conference according to the observer:
The Observer's Jill Colvin recorded the exchange during a press conference at the Lower Manhattan Security Initiative. According to his public schedule, the mayor was there to "Thank Counterterrorism Personnel with Police Commissioner Kelly."
RGinNJ
(1,021 posts)and other overbearing policies alive.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)And yet it seems like many are sooo terrified they will go right along with anything. It's bloody ridiculous. This clown should be laughed right out of office for saying something this ridiculous.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)We better flush the Constitution before they catch on.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)JVS
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Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: for fucks sake. that's all that needs to be said.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't see an alex jones article. And Bloomberg is an asshole who rides roughshod over freedom everyday. Just ask the innocent black youths that get "frisked" everyday.
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(19,768 posts)Also surprised I'm surprised at that, lol.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)They can't take away what we do not have, so if we let the 1% take our freedoms we have nothing to worry about.
Speaking of worry-
Believe Minitrue, avoid thoughtcrime, Miniluv will keep you safe
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Okkkkk...got it.
sarisataka
(18,770 posts)but for our own good
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Because any inconvenience (let alone a tragedy of this magnitude) is likely to be used by someone to argue for limiting freedoms.
Frankly, I don't think fostering conspiratorial perspectives about this event helps the cause of defending civil liberties against those who would like to use this as a pretense to restrict them.
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(19,768 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)So, let's prevent this by reducing our Freedoms.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)has already started for some people.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Increasing surveillance and denying Americans the rights guaranteed in our Constitution to a public trial, to confront our accusers, to have a lawyer, to remain silent and not incriminate ourselves, to have our privacy will not make us safer. To the contrary.
Simplistic solutions thought of by simple-minded people.
Watch the movie, "The Lives of Others," about surveillance in East Germany. Every other person was a spy (an exaggeration, but not that great an exaggeration).
As in the Boston bombing case, when too much data is collected, when you try to protect yourself against any and all dangers, you hamper your growth and creativity. You make yourself less safe, not more so.
One of these days, they will tell us that if we want to be absolutely safe, we should just stay home.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Thanks Einstein. You need to take away some freedoms so that the people who want to take away our freedoms don't win and take away our freedoms.
Dumbass dumbass dumbass
Bragi
(7,650 posts)I think the Boston shutdown showed that most Americans have pretty well already decided that they are not just willing, but enthusiastic, about trading in their rights for promises of security. Until last week, I still thought the authorities would encounter significant resistance if they ever tried to lock down a whole city, and mount house-by-house (warrantless) searches, especially if the reason was that they believed a wounded 19 year-old suspect might be hiding and bleeding out somewhere in the city.
Boy, was I wrong on that. Even among "progressives" on DU, it appears that fear now totally trumps civil rights. I think Boston made it obvious that old fashioned constitutional rights of the sort that Americans used to cherish, might at best now be supported as a nice theoretical idea, but certainly aren't supported in practice when it actually matters, like when heavily-armed police dressed up in military camo costumes seize your streets, and enter and inspect their houses. That's fine now with most Americans. No Bloomberg-suggested rethink is needed.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)Can we think about becoming better people so the other people on earth don't hate us so much?
I guess that is out of the question.
So yeah, get used to greater USELESS security and more and more attacks which can't be prevented.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)What a refreshing change of rhetoric from one NY mayor to the next!
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)What the hell is wrong with New Yorkers tolerating this guy? He ought to be run out on a rail.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)disaster capitalist doing disaster capitalism. He's a soulless ghoul feeding on people's hopes and fears.
Fuck him.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I'm hardly surprised. I still detest him.