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Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:20 AM

Why, Dzhokhar, why????!

Why the hell did you do it???

Only 19 and your life is over. Your best years are behind you, and there's nothing good to come, ever, for you.

You'll never have a date, much less a girlfriend or a wife and family.

Never go to the beach or a park or take a bike ride. Never go on vacation or even to a movie. You'll never pet a dog or go to a birthday party. Never spend an evening with friends, or even see a friend's home.

Never sleep in your own bed again. Never drive a car. Never choose what to wear or what restaurant to go to.

The brother you adore, who was always in your life, is dead and gone forever, and he is universally despised. You will never see him again.

You have no future. Just an endless grief.

Did any of this cross your mind for even a split second before you dropped that bag? Did you really believe you would never get caught?

Did it accomplish what you wanted? What was it you wanted anyway? Why on earth did you make this choice and, knowing what you know now, would you do it again? What the hell were you thinking, man, and was any of it worth it?

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Reply Why, Dzhokhar, why????! (Original post)
tblue Apr 2013 OP
Ecumenist Apr 2013 #1
freshwest Apr 2013 #2
still_one Apr 2013 #6
John2 Apr 2013 #10
JI7 Apr 2013 #12
treestar Apr 2013 #34
Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #31
JI7 Apr 2013 #3
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #4
Lex Apr 2013 #30
caledesi Apr 2013 #5
Separation Apr 2013 #7
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #18
anAustralianobserver Apr 2013 #37
Riftaxe Apr 2013 #8
October Apr 2013 #13
sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #26
Freddie Apr 2013 #9
WinkyDink Apr 2013 #11
Marrah_G Apr 2013 #44
Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #14
leftyohiolib Apr 2013 #21
sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #27
malaise Apr 2013 #15
HipChick Apr 2013 #23
malaise Apr 2013 #25
LostOne4Ever Apr 2013 #16
Lex Apr 2013 #32
tblue Apr 2013 #42
Fumesucker Apr 2013 #17
Triana Apr 2013 #19
randome Apr 2013 #28
Myrina Apr 2013 #29
tblue Apr 2013 #43
Jamastiene Apr 2013 #20
treestar Apr 2013 #35
we can do it Apr 2013 #22
Zax2me Apr 2013 #24
Skittles Apr 2013 #38
frogmarch Apr 2013 #39
redqueen Apr 2013 #45
Zorra Apr 2013 #33
Lex Apr 2013 #36
Yavin4 Apr 2013 #40
redqueen Apr 2013 #46
DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #41

Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:34 AM

1. Damn, TBlue, PREACH, PREACH IT! I bet this has been going through Dzokhar's mind for those last 2

days of freedom, once they were identified. I'll be willing to bet that if he had to do it all over again, he wouldn't. A damn shame, SUCH A DAMN SHAME. SMDH!

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:43 AM

2. +1

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:20 AM

6. Regardless, they placed the bomb right behind the kid they killed, nothing more needs to be said

screw them

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Response to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:20 AM

10. People that think

 

their cause is worthy, don't think about the faces or people they harm. When you drop bombs on hotels or civilian areas, do you think people consider the people they kill? These people are victims period, of an endless cycle. Some one like Timothy McVeigh showed no remorse or regrett killing innocent kids. There is a difference from revenge killing and seeking justice. I would like to hear this kid out.

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Response to John2 (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:37 AM

12. cause ? i don't see evidence of these guys ever having fought for any cause

at least not any good cause.

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Response to John2 (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:18 AM

34. Watched the Rachel Maddow documentary on McVeigh last night

He sure was cold.

And it made no sense. He didn't like the government killing people in the Gulf War and he didn't like the government killing people in Waco, so he was fighting the government by killing people who happened to work in the federal building.

And he said he would be content and at peace to be executed - he got what he wanted, and it was not even a punishment!

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Response to still_one (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:58 AM

31. and next to the little 5 yo girl who's leg was blown off and her mother with brain damage.

How could he have made that decision? How? Why? I hope we can find out soon.
I wonder what he's thinking now? I wonder if he feels remorse for the victims or just for himself? If there is a Hell...this guy will meet his brother there...along with Bush & Cheney and many others someday.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:46 AM

3. i think his brother convinced him they would not get caught

him going back to school and even partying seems to point to this. i think even his brother might have thought they would not get caught. they could continue to live their lives while carrying out attacks without getting caught.

there have been comments about them having expensive things but questions about where they got money. his brother may have bought him things as a way to get him to do what he wanted .

but whatever the case was, he was still willing to kill innocent people including little children for his own selfish reasons.

also if he could go back i think maybe he would not do it again. but only because he got caught. not because he feels bad and has any regrets about killing innocent people.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 04:51 AM

4. I guess the glory of Jihad trumps all that stuff (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:57 AM

30. Or the idolization of an older tougher brother

(not excusing his behavior but I personally doubt he had much jihad motivation)

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:17 AM

5. Provocative post! Thanks. nt

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:25 AM

7. Never underestimate the power of persuasion

Especially from a big brother that he looked up to.

Look at the DC sniper case, Malvo looked up to Mohamed and would/did do everything he wanted him to.

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Response to Separation (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:00 AM

18. It's called Toxic Relationships..

A Sociopath has delusions of grandeur and has to find minions that prove that status. They use whatever method necessary to brainwash their followers into believing a false reality. Though I was never required to do heinous acts....I was married for 15 years to someone with similiar characteristics...and I was brainwashed into believing that EVERYONE lived in an abusive relationship...they were all either an abuser or being abused and all were able to hide it from the world. My ex was a former U.S. Marine and totally convincing. I was only 19 when I met and married this person. As it turned out...when I divorced this man....his own brother also realized he had been in a toxic relationship with him as well. They also severed ties....and hardly saw each other over the next 15 yrs....when he died from alcoholism that he developed also as a very young man because "he could never measure up to the "granduer" of his older brother". He discovered all this too late about his brother and was unable to save himself.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:12 PM

37. Interesting insights.

It is weird how the younger brother seemed to be fitting in remarkably well according to many who knew him. After the father left, the older brother seems to have brought out the younger brother's submissive-yet-authoritarian side. Over a short (?) period of time he gave up all his functional relationships for the toxic relationship with his brother and his brother's delusions of grandeur and paranoia.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:45 AM

8. Jihad

Have you been sleeping for the last 2 decades?

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:40 AM

13. Yes, but Jihad is the new meme now for some

It's all over the airwaves on the right.

Meanwhile, Columbine, McVeigh, and the Newtown, CT murderers (young adults/kids) were all home-bred with no "outside" terrorist ties.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:39 AM

26. No, we asked the same questions of McVeigh, a war veteran who supposedly fought for his country and

all the other American citizens who had so much to live for right here in the US where they had no reason whatsoever to kill, eg, in Newton, a whole kindergarten class, or in Columbine, their own classmates, or Virginia Tech, and on and on.


What were THEIR causes? Their country wasn't occupied, they did not grow up in war zones, many of them grew up in very good homes here.

So no, we have not been sleeping for the past 2 decades. And each time an American does something like this we ask the same questions.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 05:52 AM

9. Yes, he looks so young

Like he dosen't have to shave yet. A college freshman. Just a baby really. My son is not much older (22) he's still just a kid to me. Sad.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:25 AM

11. Actually, he's 19 and might have gone "to the beach"; he certainly did "drive a car." The Manson

killers were also nineteen.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:13 PM

44. not that it really matters but I'm pretty sure he's been to the beach

His college is on the south coastline of MA and he grew up in a city on the ocean

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:11 AM

14. This is why life in prison is a harsher punishment than execution (which I oppose in all cases).

Let him spend the next twenty years rethinking his position and the thirty years after that writing to help other teenagers avoid making the same kind of mistake.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:20 AM

21. if life in prison was worse than the d.p. criminals wouldn't try so hard to avoid the d.p.

but they do cause the d.p. terrifies them

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:41 AM

27. The dp has not effect on criminals until AFTER they get caught. I completely oppose it. If it worked

we would not live in such a violent society. There should be no murders if fear of the DP was a factor.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:14 AM

15. Why indeed

There is no one on the planet who could cajole me into such an act against fellow human beings - sorry!!

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Response to malaise (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:32 AM

23. True

I would have been snitching big time

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Response to HipChick (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:38 AM

25. No such losers among my siblings

and I've never hung out with the jocks who love the high end cars and clothes. The polo and golf caps tell a story. Truthfully I think they were competing with Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:41 AM

16. A better question

A better question is did he ever think about all the lives he destroyed, the families who will never see their loved ones again.

The parents who will never hold their 8 year old son again, the grandmother who wont ever see her grand daughter again, the parents whose daughter will never return from American, the police officers who will never see their brother in blue again.

Not to mention the pain he caused to people who never did a thing to him and now have lost limbs. If all he can think about is how HIS life is ruined, then that sociopath deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:59 AM

32. We don't ask why of the victims because they had no choice unfortunately.

Why would we ask 'why' of them? We all grieve for them, of course.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:10 PM

42. Of course we ask those questions

I do not at all to feel greater sympathy for the victims than for the perpetrators. But my heart grieves for the young man who could have been, had he not made this choice. Just makes me sad. Just 8 days ago his life could have gone on like anybody's. And now it's over and there's no one to blame except himself. Horrible.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:58 AM

17. Yes, this guy's life is justifiably over

Meanwhile, George W Bush who deliberately caused the slaughter of *far* more innocents lives in luxury and even has a library named after him.

Personally I loathe George far more than Dzhokhar.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:05 AM

19. +1 n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:49 AM

28. I think we're all agreed on that.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:54 AM

29. +2

n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:12 PM

43. Well, yeah.

This was a stupid messed up kid who hurt and maimed lots of people. GWB is killing and maiming people STILL because his needless wars are not over. Not really.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:11 AM

20. Great post.

I've been thinking much the same thing. What a waste of his life. I understand that little brothers often adore their older brothers, but he completely threw his life away and killed several people for no good reason. No good reason at all.

One thing though, he might still be able to get married. Don't those guys always attract at least a few marriage proposals in prison?

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:19 AM

35. Yep.

Ted Bundy, Ramirez. It's weird.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:26 AM

22. We were asking similar things this morning at breakfast. Instead of pushing his brother to get help.

He joined him in insanity. I love my brother, but would not have helped him with the insane plot. I'd rather visit him alive in prison or a mental institution the see the image of his torn dead body knowing we did the same to others.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:34 AM

24. He wasn't the innocent smart one that got dragged into it that people are saying.

 

Yes, the older brother probably led.
But he was more than willing and conniving in his own right -
His words -
"Never underestimate the rebel with a cause."
"a decade in america already, i want out"

"I don't argue with fools who say Islam is terrorism it's not worth a thing, let an idiot remain an idiot."
This from a guy who blows up children men and women with a bomb.

http://news.yahoo.com/bombing-suspects-may-led-whom-001538013--spt.html





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Response to Zax2me (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:33 PM

38. the pics of them in the crowd

I don't see any apprehension or anxiety

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:36 PM

39. +1

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Response to Zax2me (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:24 PM

45. Way to prove 'em wrong, asshole.

By murdering innocence people.

No pity.

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:13 AM

33. "It was a different Tamerlan, seeing no purpose in life, but pursue path of God.

When I ask what is the path...he would say some kind of jihad," Tsnari explained.

Tamerlan, he says, had suddenly become radicalized.

"It's a very, very sort of flow of words, love in the name of God, jihad," he said
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"The older brother involved him. Even the worst gangster would not involve his family member, especially younger sibling, into something dirty and cruel like this," Tsarni said. "He's just another victim."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-57580612/dzhokhar-and-tamerlan-a-profile-of-the-tsarnaev-brothers/

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Response to Zorra (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:41 AM

36. something losers often do

to make themselves feel worthy (become extremist in religious views, whatever the religion)



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Response to tblue (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2013, 10:42 PM

40. Religion is a cancer on humanity

Preaches primitive thinking and corrupts the mind. Once they can convince someone about magical beings in the sky, getting them to do anything else is a piece of cake.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:25 PM

46. ^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

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Response to tblue (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:01 AM

41. a quote from Voltaire

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/voltaire169603.html

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