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[Peregrine Took]

1. Patriot's Day? Income tax day?

Hmmmmmm....lets think about that one.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

2. The spouse is always the first to be suspected

So Boston (Tea Party) on Tax Day on Patriot Day..DOESN"T lend itself to immediate dismissal or damnation on eitherside.

But best go for the most logical before chasing that neighbor 'different than us' down the street and lynching them.

Jusd sayin...

[Warren Stupidity]

3. Shoe bomber - pathetic. Ass bomber - ridiculous. Time Square Bomber - nincompoop.

I really would hold off on the speculation for just a little bit longer.

[CincyDem]

5. I'm glad the ass-bomber was a hypothetical. Think of the TSA searches if it were real. n/t

[Yo_Mama]

14. There was an ass-bomber in Saudi Arabia

But I think they would have to pay the TSA folks very, very well to do that job, and that the number of flyers would shrink so dramatically that the airlines would go right out of business.

[DevonRex]

28. Yeah. Plenty of crude bombers of all persuasions. Cannot rule

a group OUT because of the "crudity" of the attack. And this one wasn't exactly crude, if you really know what you're talking about. Highly sophisticated in terms of the device or the type of explosives used? Perhaps not. Sophisticated in terms of what would get by security and what wouldn't seem suspicious in the area and what would actually work? Yes. Certainly sophisticated enough for that. Plenty of "crude" bombers fail in all those respects.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

55. You got the order wrong

The Ass-Bomber was the nincompoop.

(Sorry, just needed to break-up the tension.)

[FreeState]

4. There was a large crowded area

this was the end of the race, family members, press, friends, you name it were there waiting for the runners.

Notice the stands...

[bluestate10]

10. I have to agree with the OP. A baseball game with a much larger crowd took place at Fenway

a few hours earlier. If Islamic radicals could strike an event as significant as the Boston Marathon, wouldn't you think the massive crowds on Yawkey Way be a larger, more significant target and easier to get to? The T stops near Yawkey Way, people get off with all types of packages and have access to Yawkey Way, even if they aren't going to the game.

[FreeState]

13. You can always find a larger crowd

There were easily a couple thousand people at the end of the race, never mind the second bomb a couple block before (also had a lot of people there). Im not saying this was not domestic, I think it was, but I also dont think calling that area a non-crowded area is correct. They also found a bomb at a busy subway stop and from some reports a glass walk way (that is very busy).

[forthemiddle]

37. stadiums have bag search

I have been to many MLB and NFL games since 9/11and each time my bag has been inspected. That wouldn't be the case while walking down the street in Boston would it? Fenway Park wasn't an easy target.

[Tempest]

6. They also tend to be suicide bombers

Which would have been much more effective on the body count.

[RZM]

7. So you're sure it's not Islamists, but you also can't rule it out

That makes no sense at all.

[MNBrewer]

29. Sure that they're 100%

almost sure.

[Cleita]

8. I agree. I think this is domestic. n/t

[aaaaaa5a]

9. If it were a major terrorist organization, wouldn't they take responsibility by now? nt

[Yo_Mama]

11. Israel, Iraq?

In Iraq they bomb religious festivals quite often.

In Israel these types of bombing attacks are common. There are some similarities to a couple of attacks that happened in India.

I think you should rethink, but remember also that people bent on violence often can be pretty random in their methods and indeed their motivations.

Relying on patterns isn't safe. I think that people focused on violence often copy whatever they've seen. There are "styles" to this sort of thing. I'm old enough to remember the 70s and the wave of plane hijackings. It's whatever makes the news, really. Evildoer see, evildoer do.

[DesMoinesDem]

12. You and the freeper who is sure it was islamists cancel each other out.

You know nothing. The only sure thing is that people that jump to conclusions immediately after some tragedy end up looking like fools.

[bushisanidiot]

15. They found two unexploded bombs which makes me agree it was domestic.

And i heard another report that the bombs appeared to be homemade. Sounds like a timothy mcveigh type.

[Cleita]

16. Timothy McVeigh type leads one's mind to Tea Bagger, leads to gun nut, leads to

White Supremacist. Any one, two or even all three.

[reteachinwi]

18. The Martin Luther King Day bomber in Spokane used similar methods.

At about nine o'clock in the morning, just as Watkins was arriving downtown, three maintenance workers were sprucing up the perimeter of the parking lot at Washington and Main, shining up the route of the march. They were picking trash out of the little, low bushes. They were sweeping off the sidewalks. They came up Main and turned the corner across the street from the Liberty Building. To their surprise, there was a bag on the bench, a black Swiss Army backpack. There were two T-shirts inside it. One of the T-shirts was black and bore the logo TREASURE ISLAND — SPRING 2009. The other was from a local charity race to fight cancer. There were also wires sticking out of the bag. The maintenance workers followed instincts that had been heightened since September 11, 2001. They called 911. It was 9:26 A.M.

Read more: Homegrown Terrorism US - The Bomb That Didn't Go Off - Esquire http://www.esquire.com/features/homegrown-terrorism-us-0811#ixzz2QZgal8rX

[bushisanidiot]

25. Yep. The domestic type terrorist will make more mistakes

ANd be sloppier because he isnt trained by an organization.

[FrodosPet]

53. Except for former special forces

It is depressing to think how many different groups and individuals could have done this.

[Codeine]

19. Most terrorist attack use home-made bombs.

Hard to pop down to "Anti-Personnel Explosives R Us" and pick up a six-pack of ball bearing bombs.

[octothorpe]

34. hehehe.

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. Why would unexploded bombs make you think it's domestic?

Are you saying that foreign bombs always go off, and only American bombs fail? Or that foreign bombs are always precision manufactured?

[bushisanidiot]

26. Im saying a lone wolf type who isnt trained on what he is trying to do

Will make more mistakes. Two out of 4 bombs failed. I am guessing a lone wolf who got a recipe off the internet.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. As opposed to, say, a shoe bomber?

Or bombs in cars that produce smoke but don't explode?

Lots of bombs fail.

[The2ndWheel]

32. McVeigh went after a government building

What about this says government at this point? It's April 15th, but it's also Boston Marathon day.

[Redford]

17. Well, until we get confirmation I would not speculate at all.

SUPPOSEDLY, they have a suspect in custody who failed to kill himself.

[Ruby the Liberal]

22. They usually go for busses

and restaurants and nightclubs and malls.

Bombers (and gunmen - terrorists of any stripe) target PEOPLE. Thats how they instill fear.

[slackmaster]

23. Your logic is unassailable

Because there is no logic to it.

[DevonRex]

35. ...

Knew it. Didn't even have to look. Thank goodness.

[Coyotl]

47. Ditto

[Marr]

24. I don't think that's true. They go after crowds all the time.

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Bus bombings, market bombings, etc.

[cali]

27. what? there have been lots of attacks like this throughout the Middle East.

A1 person questioned in Boston Marathon explosions a-Q, btw, doesn't really functionally exist anymore.

the evidence doesn't point toward anything at this point. At least no evidence that the public is privy to.

In any case, the authorities are questioning a Saudi National who was injured though this person has NOT been named as a suspect.

Officials began questioning at least one person in connection with the explosions that tore through the finish line of the Boston Marathon on Monday, killing at least two people and injuring dozens more, officials said

<snip>

A federal law enforcement official said authorities were questioning a Saudi national who was taken to a Boston hospital with injuries. The person was not identified as a suspect.

The official also said authorities are also “desperately seeking” a Penske rental truck seen leaving the race site. They further believe the explosive devices were small bombs placed in small receptacles and that at least one was detonated in a nearby trash can.

<snip>

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-two-explosions-rock-boston-marathon-20130415,0,4766355,full.story

It could be anti-choicers or anti-tax nuts or Islamic radicals or an individual with a beef or or or.

[DevonRex]

31. Yes. Their terrorists are not smarter and nicer.

While I think this may be a domestic act, I cannot go along with the OP's characterization of their terrorists as being smarter, kinder, gentler terrorists. What bullshit.

[Nye Bevan]

30. Could have been an anti-tax nut. Or it could have been an Islamic Fundamentalist attack

against the Great Satan. Or any other possibility. At this point, who knows.

[galileoreloaded]

36. this post is so good your right to vote should be revoked!

jesus f-ing christ.

[Old Troop]

38. It must be good

to be so sure.

[Quantess]

39. You just want to "know" that it wasn't a muslim because it makes you feel good.

How about waiting until they figure out who did it and not jump to conclusions?

[Codeine]

40. You mean you desperately hope it's not an Islamist attack,

because you think there is some sort of political gain to be had in the event that it was a freepazoid.

I hate this particular DU tendency/blind spot.

[sarisataka]

41. ... unless it was

Islamist attacks tend not to be this crude,

This isn't crude, actually pretty sophisticated. From reported info, multiple coordinated bombs optimized to enhance casualties. We do not know if the other bombs failed to go off or were found before scheduled detonation. Even if they failed, a 40-50% success rate is not bad for IEDs.

they usually go for buildings

Because they have people in them. The 9/11 attacks did not happen at night or on a weekend.

attack a large crowd, not people dispersed in a marathon

The chosen site was in an area where people would be concentrated, increasing the casualty count

This could well be Islamist/Middle Eastern origin.That said, it does not 'feel' like ME terrorist work. European terrorists reacting to austerity is possible, but those groups have been quiet for years. It is hard to believe a Euro group would return in such a fashion without activity in Europe first. An Asian source is possible given the situation in NK. Trouble is no one besides NK would go for such an escalation of tension. As this pulls attention away from the peninsula, it seems counter to NK interests.

The likeliest case is this is a home grown operation. The list is long and mostly on the right. Forensic evidence will start chopping the list before the night is done. We will not hear of it for a few days.

Edit> no offense is meant by some of my technical terminology, old habits... I grieve for the dead and wish the injured speedy recovery

[ellisonz]

42. I know it's speculative...

...but I concur. Not their style, but most definitely right-wing domestic terrorism type attack and especially given the day and location.

[Abq_Sarah]

45. You concur because you want it to be RW terrorists?

Or do you have any actual evidence.

It would be nice if the bodies had a chance to cool, the families had a chance to be notified and the FBI had a chance to complete their investigation before you start trying to score political points.

[ellisonz]

52. I concur because I'm an educated individual who has studied terrorism intensely...

...for many years now - you would do well to pay your fellow DU members a modicum of respect and decency when they express a polite opinion

[pintobean]

59. I blew it

didn't I? Why didn't I concur?

[Llewlladdwr]

43. You know absolutely nothing for sure regarding this event. nt

[Common Sense Party]

44. On thing I'm sure of: If you're wrong, you won't start a thread to say so.

[Honeycombe8]

46. This was a large crowd. It was timed for those crossing the finish line. But...

as one terrorism expert stated on MSNBC (phone interview), timers aren't always that accurate. It's possible it should've gone off a little later. He also said, tho, that AQ and such orgs go for more sophisticated, bigger operations. That doesn't mean, though, it's not some follower individuals...some outlyers or individuals who have the same ideology....who have done this. AQ has recently put out a book for individuals, with instructions on how to build bombs and how to do this sort of thing.

This sounds like the bombings in London and elsewhere that have occurred in the subway system, on buses, etc.

[Marrah_G]

48. The big runners crossed the finish line hours before

The ones going by at this time were the charity runners and such

[ShadowLiberal]

49. They've bombed trains & buses before in Europe & Asia

Don't assume right away that just because no building was involved it couldn't be an Islamic terrorist. They've already bombed trains in busy subways in Europe, and Buses in Asia, as well as Israel.

[littlewolf]

50. friends of mine in Boston said that

the cell networks went off line shortly after the 2nd bomb.
this may have kept the other bombs from going off, if they were
cell phone activated.

[Skip Intro]

51. Yeah, clearly the work of white supremacists.

I mean, you can't argue with all that evidence.

:smh:

And if there are ties to Al Qeada or similar, we must take care not to blame Al Qeada at large, because they never do stuff like this.



This place is surreal sometimes.

[Codeine]

54. The complete lack of any facts provides the perfect blank canvas

for people to paint with all of their biases and peculiar hobbyhorses. I think their speculation often tends to say more about them than they realize.

[Skip Intro]

61. Yep. nt

[bluestate10]

56. For an event this big, if it was an organized radical attack, they would have used a

skilled bomb maker to make a bomb that would have killed many more people. But, the type of bomb doesn't rule out a lone wolf Islamic radical that got instructions for a bomb from a the web.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

57. So what the OP is saying is Islamists make better terrorists.

Interesting.

[FrodosPet]

58. Did YOU do it?

Unless you have some insider info, you don't know.

Yes, I can see radical teabaggers doing it. It would be a dramatically stupid way to try and bring people to your cause, but there are some dramatically stupid people in the world.

Radical leftists is also a possibility. I know that's not a popular idea here, and less likely than teabaggers, but until people are caught, it cannot be dismissed. Islamists, North Koreans, even apolitical amoral sick assholes.

Unlike Freeperville and here, I am hoping and trusting that the people investigating are following the evidence and not political agendas.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

60. So far, no Islamist groups have taken credit

I just came from the Al Jazeera news website.

[Shankapotomus]

62. Wouldn't an Islamist bomber

most likely be a suicide bomber? And that's another piece of the puzzle we can use to add weight to the domestic terrorism side of the scale.

[riderinthestorm]

63. Why not North Korea? Vowing to strike at the US? Its NKs big annual celebration day?

shite, if we're speculating.... I mean NK did say they were going to strike in the US??!!!1111

Fact is, we simply don't know.

Yet.