It's time for Letterman to retire after he clearly bullies Lindsay Lohan on his show. Rude.

[graham4anything]

While I know there is not much sympathy here for Lindsay
(which is not very liberal like to be against someone who has substance abuse problems)
Lindsay was hit hard by Letterman and Letterman was relentless.

Of course, this isn't the first time Letterman wasn't very nice to a woman.

Time for him to retire.

(Delicious Irony would be if Jay Leno took his job and creamed Jimmy Fallon.)

[Capt. Obvious]

1. Oh really?

[blueamy66]

30. Thank you for that wonderful shot of Steve!

nt

[davidpdx]

2. I didn't see the interview

But my guess the reason is that he gave her a bad time was her behavior, not sexism.

[cali]

3. silly fantasy. Right wing pig Leno will not be taking Dave's job.

and Jimmy Fallon is much better than Leno.

And tell me why exactly I should have all this sympathy for Lohan? And Letterman has been "not very nice" to both men and women, so don't bring your transparent faux concern for women here.

I think it's time for YOU to retire your right wing crap.

[graham4anything]

9. Leno is a Democratic liberal who got shoved out because of his pay by a major corporation

Leno is also #1.

Jimmy Fallon has some good bits, however, he can't interview a celebrity which well, is a requirement.

I am very protective of Lindsay Lohan, she has had a very hard time of it in a very toxic environment.

Letterman is abusive and a bully and always was.
(not to mention he made a joke out of the people who work in his area, all hard working minorities that he made jokes of). Pandering for ratings.

[el_bryanto]

37. Why would you be protective of Lohan? Do you know her? nt

[graham4anything]

39. That is none of your business.

[el_bryanto]

41. ooooooo. Struck a nerve have I? Hmmmmmm. Have you been intimate with Ms. Lohan? nt

[graham4anything]

46. That is sick.

[hobbit709]

49. no sicker than your crush on Hillary or did you dump her for Lindsey?

[graham4anything]

52. How typical of the NRA Support board members.

[hobbit709]

54. What? You ARE delusional. I support the NRA the same way you support Ralph Nader.

[graham4anything]

58. You just made my point, thanks for your apology for your prior post.

[hobbit709]

63. And you have made mine.

[Upton]

57. What happened to your crush on "Mayor Mike"

he's going to be so jealous that you threw him over for Lindsay.

[el_bryanto]

95. Hey Lohan cleans up pretty damn good.

And she was great in A Prairie Home Companion - Altmans last movie and still really solid. You shouldn't be so insulting to her.

Of course - if she broke your heart, I guess I understand.

Bryant

[blm]

114. Lives only to disrupt this board with absurd scenarios.

I haven't believed one word said has ever been sincere.

It has always smelled like fish on these threads, but, the fish gets wrapped in so much absurd fluff and faux flattery that it gets a pass.

[Blue_In_AK]

145. I have to agree.

[snooper2]

120. Did you see this cool music video with Lindsey?

Greatness!

[themaguffin]

146. What the HELL?? I'll tell YOU what's NOT liberal "like"

Coming here and stating that we are bad "liberals" because we might not have sympathy for childish antics. Yes, she has a problem and do you see people here constantly dismissing her problems.

NO. So don't come here and say that we are bad liberals because likely many people have a problem with her public behavior.

Jesus, where the hell did you come up with such silly logic?

I didn't see the interview, nor do I care to, but Dave would have to be truly out of line on this to be a relevant matter here, or to impact his job.

[premium]

148. ^^^THIS^^^

[EOTE]

110. Leno is a disgusting hack and has never been close to a liberal.

He's a pretty awful person all around, his treatment of Conan was abhorrent and inexcusable. But his absolute worst trait is that he is utterly, painfully unfunny. It's fine for ordinary people to be so unfunny, but considering that Leno has a whole team of writers, that's just wrong on so many levels. Even in the rare case that he tells a somewhat funny joke, his total lack of comedic timing ruins it. Leno just sucks on every level. Leno isn't fit to lick Letterman's shoes.

[Tender to the Bone]

156. If you think Leno is a Dem, I've got a bridge to sell ya...

Cheap.

[graham4anything]

158. His job is to include 100% of the population. His personal money is given to Democratic causes

from everything one reads.

But his job is like Carson, and in old days, Don Rickles, to be bipartisian with his jokes.
It enables everyone to tune him in for the reason there is a tonight show

something to gently take the stress away from a day of work before seguing into sleep.
It was never meant to be Nightline nor political

[Honeycombe8]

173. It's well known that Leno is a Republican. He actually retired several yrs ago, remember?

His heart hasn't been in his show for some years. He's mega rich. He doesn't look bitter or sad or disappointed. I expect he is not upset and is ready to retire (again).

[graham4anything]

175. Retired? NBC tried firing him for the failure Conan who quickly exited

If you remember, Jay got a prime time show (I loved it, watched every episode)
while Conan sunk as America voted thumbs down on him at that time.
Lorne Michaels (who also had many female problems on SNL over the years, one after another quitting after the abuse they got from cast or lack of script time again is attempting one of his to go in

So no, Leno never retired. He was axed then for a nothing, and is being axed again for another upstart.

I hope Leno goes to CBS after they fire Letterman next year, that would be ironic.

[Honeycombe8]

184. Jay retired. THEN he got a prime time show.

Either he found he didn't like retirement, or the network talked him into coming back.

[In_The_Wind]

4. I agree!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=361366

[monmouth3]

5. Letterman forever!!!...nt

[trumad]

6. Jay fucking Leno?

Jay Leno is despised in the entertainment industry.

Let's see...Letterman who has gone after fucking Republicans relentlessly... Or Leno who in fact embraces Republicans.

I can certainly see why you favor Leno.

[Nye Bevan]

13. Leno embraces Republicans? Here are a few of his jokes about George W Bush:

“President Bush announced he plans to help out homeowners in this mortgage-lending crisis thing that’s going on. He said millions of people could lose their house, and you know, he knows what he’s talking about. Last November he lost a house and the Senate.”

“Bush is upset, very upset that the Iraqi parliament has failed any major legislation since taking office. I guess, of course, on the other hand, it made him feel right at home.”

The White House announced President Bush is on the last page of the Harry Potter book. So, apparently, he's reading it backwards.

President Bush welcomed the prime minster of India to the White House today. Bush said, "While you're here, can you look at my computer for a second?"

One of the big problems in Iraq right now is agreeing on a constitution. They should do what the Bush administration does: Have a constitution, but just don’t use it.

Happy Birthday to U.S. President Bush, he’s 59. If you haven’t gotten him a birthday gift yet, I know he’s still looking for an exit strategy for Iraq.

U.S. President Bush met with Palestinian president Abbas. There was one embarrassing moment when he said to Abbas, “I love your hit, Dancing Queen.”

President Bush said he was anxious to see the film though he was a little upset when he heard it was in Aramaic and Latin. Bush said "Why make a movie only Arabs and Latinos would understand?"

According to a new poll, if the election were held today both John Kerry and John Edwards would beat George Bush by double-digit margins. In fact, the White House is so worried they're thinking about moving the capture of Osama bin Laden up to next month.

President Bush is now focusing on jobs. I think the one job he's focusing most on ... his own.

Some sad news, President Bush's lap dog passed away. I didn't know Tony Blair was sick. I was shocked.

President Bush was on Meet The Press Sunday, a lot of his White House staffers thought it was a bad idea …"Hey…better than him going on Jeopardy"…Be honest…He didn't seem very well prepared…actually there was a reason he wasn't prepared, see Bush thought he was just gonna to meet the press, he didn't know there was gonna be questions….There was one kind of embarrassing moment where President Bush was asked if he was ever AWOL?" and he said "No no no I have Earthlink…we use Earthlink, can't get AOL"

The Bush administration says it will file a brief with the Supreme Court over the University of Michigan's affirmative action policy, saying it's wrong to determine acceptance based on race. Bush said acceptance should be based on fair things like what private school you went to, who's your dad, how much money you gave to the alumni fund."

"President Bush has declared Sunday to be National Sanctity of Human Life Day. He said we have to protect the weak, the imperfect and the unwanted. But first, we have to give tax cuts to the rich."

This Sunday, President Bush will be at the Daytona 500 for the start of NASCAR season. President Bush is a big fan of NASCAR. Bush says if it weren't for NASCAR, man never would have stepped foot on the moon. Finally, somebody said, "Uh, sir ... that's NASA."

A Newsweek poll said if the election were held today, John Kerry would beat Bush 49 percent to 46 percent. And today, President Bush called Newsweek magazine a threat to world peace." -

Today President Bush said he was "troubled" by gay people getting married in San Francisco. He said on important issues like this, the people should make the decision, not judges - unless of course we're choosing a president, then he prefers judges.

I was watching TV last night and I saw an interesting documentary on TV last night about the ninja - you know, the Japanese soldiers. According to the legend, the ninjas were warriors who could make themselves invisible whenever we fought in a war. You know, kinda like George Bush in the National Guard.

In his annual economic report to Congress President Bush said that the transfer of American jobs overseas is actually part of a positive transformation that will enrich the U.S. economy over time. So basically, losing your job to someone else can be a good thing - of course we'll see how he feels about that in November.

Happy President's Day everybody! Today of course is the day we honor our presidents. We honor Bill Clinton by having a mattress sale, and as most people don't have to work today, we honor George Bush.

Earlier today President Bush spent some time with National Guard troops in Louisiana. When Bush arrived, the commanding officer said, "You're a little late."

A retired Alabama National Guard commander says he remembers President Bush showing up there for duty back in the seventies. He says Bush used to come into his office and read. However, payment records released by the White House suggest that was not President Bush. Hey, the fact the guy was reading I think suggests it wasn't president Bush.

Yesterday President Bush stopped off at a bass pro fishing store to pick up a fishing reel, some line and some rubber worms. He's going to disappear and go fishing. So he must think he's back in the National Guard again.

Does this bother a lot of people? Who cares if Bush did his job in the National Guard 30 years ago - I'm more frightened about the job he's doing now.

Today in the L.A. Times, one critic wrote that the problem with John Kerry is "he looks like he thinks too much." Well, you won't hear anyone accusing President Bush of that.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

28. And he balanced every one of those with a 'Bill and Monica' joke.

[RockaFowler]

29. I think he still does Bill and Monica jokes

[Capt. Obvious]

82. That's so passe

Bring out the Judge Ito dancers!

[trumad]

51. What---no Obama Jokes?

In 2012---Leno was compared to other late night hosts with the amount of Obama jokes...he crushed the others...

Leno is a registered Repuke.

[onenote]

75. Link to Leno's status as a registered repub?

[EOTE]

111. 8 years of the asshole in power, I'd hope he'd have a fuck ton of jokes on the guy.

But they were mostly very mild and contained nowhere near the level of vitriol he spewed toward Clinton. Not to mention that he used his show as a campaign vehicle for Arnold's run at governor (which was part of a right wing hatchet job to remove Davis). Leno is a disgusting hack.

[Champion Jack]

16. +1000

[leftynyc]

7. Perhaps because

if she were just your average citizen, she wouldn't be on a late night show, she'd be in fucking jail where she belongs. Do you really think a young black man (or woman) would be given chance after chance after chance to get cleaned up? She's a useless twit who gets no sympathy from me. And Jay Leno is an asshole.

[HappyMe]

10. I agree.

If she was just your average Jane Q. Public, her ass would be in jail.

Letterman gives a lot of people a hard time, men and women alike.

[bike man]

14. That was short, to the point, and I absolutely agree with you. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

74. She's a useless twit...

Perhaps, but substance abuse, or any addiction for that matter, can make even the best person a useless twit.

Also, you are right about the average citizen, substance abuse and jail time. But therein is also a narrative about how we as a society can't even take care of those who fall to addiction but treat it as a crime instead.

The just say no crowd certainly hates Lindsey, but I hate what the disease of addiction has done to her first.

I have seen what three generations of substance abuse has done to my extended family, and it is not pretty. Most of those who had the disease are dead from it and couldn't climb out of their dilemma. I consider myself lucky that my mother, a nurse, understood the disease and never let it get hold of her or her children. My father also saw it on his side of his family and was smart enough never to go down that path.


I also don't hold any hostility to Letterman. He's a comedian, and he is an equal-oppurtunity satirist.

[get the red out]

80. I wish

I wish people would pay attention to the "treatment" for addiction being offered in this country; from the most low-budget detox to the exclusive centers that celebrities pay big bucks for, it's all about the same and takes no recent scientific studies into consideration in treating the "disease" of addiction. I wish a call for actual, scientifically based treatments for addiction issues and mental health issues (which are so often intertwined) could become a liberal cause. But beating up on a young woman who is in a terrible state is much easier for all of society than embracing addicts as human beings and working toward change in the way they are cared for.

[leftynyc]

88. Ms. Lohan has had chances handed

to her over and over again. Her reputation on any work site is atrocious (always late or hung over). She thinks she's special and shows absolutely no remorse for all the trouble she has caused to herself or her family and also shows no gratitude for all the chances she has been given. Having seen what substance abuse has done with your own family has surely shown that only when the person realizes there is a problem and truly wants to fix it is the only time there is a chance - Ms. Lohan thinks she can keep screwing up and be handed another chance - I would have put her ass in jail which truthfully would be the best thing for her at this point.

I have nothing against Letterman - it's Leno that's an asshole.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

90. The first part of your response desribes addiction perfectly, but that's the disease

more than the person. Jail time may only put a hiatus on her addiction, and drugs are pretty easy to get in prison or so the story goes.

It's also true that she alone has to admit and seek recovery, but that doesn't mean that she needs to do it alone.


I'm not big on jail time for addicts as I am helping them get the help they need.

[darkangel218]

101. Lindsay Lohan had all the opportunities to get the help she needed.

We are not talking about someone who has no money to pay for or continue rehab and counseling. What Lohen is doing is by choice. I don't have any respect for her either, and if shes becoming the laughing stock of Letterman or Leno, too bad.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

104. It's not about money. Its about help.

What Lohen is doing is by choice.

Not all addicts are poor. Some of them are your neighbors, relatives and friends. Would you be so callous to them as well?

It doesn't make any difference if the addict has a million dollars or one. Addiction is a disease, and diseases need to be treated.

[darkangel218]

109. So whats your answer? never hold them responsible while they commit crimes,

Because they're "addicts"?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

157. Nope. There's a diffrerence between crime and something

that is clearly a sickness. Substance abuse is treated more like a crime if you are caught doing it. Sure DUI is wrong. Doing it several times is criminal. Killing somebody while DUI id horrific. Perhaps if there was a better way of getting help to these people, and that might also include 1 strike and you're out car impounding, then they might be able to lead healthier lives: freer from a sad disease.

We as a society should all be responsible in some ways. It's not that I have to take responsibility for Lindsey personally, but somebody is getting her what she needs. Those people are worse than the addiction. What kind of punishment do they get?

[MattBaggins]

162. Just yesterday you were scolding us about Thatcher

yet no concern for Lindsay or her spirit...interesting

[leftynyc]

112. The reason I think jail would be best

for her is because it's the only way she'll hit rock bottom. Obviously giving her numerous chances to clean up (she's been in rehab 5 times already) isn't doing it. I'm guessing those you are helping (and bless you for what you're doing) don't have anything like the amount of money Lohan has nor have they been given the chances she has. If she knows, without question, that the next time she's found to be on drugs she will be sentenced to jail time (maybe a couple of years), she'll clean up. Until then, she'll keep dicking around.

[G_j]

136. nobody belongs in jail for addictions

rich or poor

[leftynyc]

138. Bullshit

How many times should a person get to skate on DUI or DWI charges? If they were only putting their own lives in danger, I would agree with you but Ms. Lohan has put others in dangers several times. How many chances should she get? It's all very nice to think everyone will get help and clean up but I live here in the real world where addictions not only destroy the addict but brings down those around him/her and sometimes gets people killed.

[G_j]

139. is that what it was?

I simply watched the the Letterman clip and saw that she was going to rehab. Endangering the lives if others in a car is a separate issue.

[leftynyc]

141. Here is her sterling record

I simply cannot believe there are those who think all she needs is another chance


February 2005: A couple filed a personal-injury suit against Lindsay Lohan claiming they were hurt during a car accident with the actress, MTV reported.

May 26, 2007: After going to rehab at the beginning of the year, Lindsay Lohan’s Mercedes convertible strikes a curb outside a Los Angeles club on May 26. She is arrested for suspicion of driving under the influence, and police find what is later identified as cocaine at the scene. Two days later, she checks into an “intensive medical rehabilitation facility” for her second stint that year.

July 24, 2007: The actress is taken into custody in Santa Monica on suspicion of driving under the influence, driving on a suspended license and possession of cocaine after she gets into a verbal argument with a woman whom she chased in her SUV.

July 2007: Lindsay Lohan checks out of Promises rehab on July 14 and then celebrates in Vegas (sober). Then, on July 24, Lohan was arrested for misdemeanor driving under the influence and felony drug possession, ABC News reported. The arrest stemmed from a car chase Lohan reportedly had with the mother of her personal assistant. She was later charged with seven misdemeanor counts in relation to two DUI arrests, MTV reported. She spent one day in jail, was ordered to go to rehab, and was placed on three years of probation. Lohan checks into rehab once again, mere hours after the arrest.

Aug. 23, 2007: Lindsay Lohan pleads guilty to misdemeanor cocaine use and driving under the influence and is sentenced to one day in jail, 10 days of community service, along with the completion of a drug-treatment program. She is placed on 36 months of probation and required to complete an 18-month alcohol-education program and pay hundreds in fines. Additionally, she had to complete a three-day county coroner program that required her to visit a morgue and talk to victims of drunken drivers.

“It is clear to me that my life has become completely unmanageable because I am addicted to alcohol and drugs,” Lohan writes in a statement released to MTV News after the August 23 hearing.

October, 2007: She completes the rehab stint.

Nov. 15, 2007: LiLo spends a whopping 84 minutes in the Lynwood, Calif. jail before being released due to overcrowding.

March 13-16, 2009: A Beverly Hills judge issues a $50,000 warrant related to Lindsay Lohan’s May 2007 DUI arrest only to rescind it three days later after her attorney Shawn Holley shows that the starlet has been complying with the terms of her probation.

Oct. 16, 2009: After arriving more than an hour late to a probation hearing in Beverly Hills on October 16 for a progress review on her two DUI cases, Lindsay Lohan is given another year of probation due to failure to complete alcohol-education classes.

May 20, 2010: Her probation is revoked and a bench warrant is issued for the thespian’s arrest after Lindsay Lohan skips a court date to attend the Cannes film festival and then claims she couldn’t get back because, in the words of her attorney, “her passport was stolen.” The judge sets her bail at $100,000, which she later pays to win her freedom.

May 24, 2010: The trouble-prone party girl is fitted with an alcohol-monitoring SCRAM device on her ankle and ordered to refrain from drugs and booze and undergo weekly random drug testing as part of the conditions of her bail.

June 8, 2010: A judge rules Lindsay’s in violation of her probation, hikes her bail to $200,000 and issues a new bench warrant for her arrest two days after Lindsay’s SCRAM alcohol-monitoring ankle brace suspiciously lights up at an MTV Movie Awards after-party. The warrant is subsequently recalled after a bail bondsman covers Lohan’s bond.

July 6, 2010: Lindsay Lohan is sentenced to 90 days in jail for failing to attend her court-ordered weekly alcohol education classes.

July 20, 2010: Lindsay surrenders and ultimately ends up serving two weeks before being released due to prison overcrowding and the non-violent nature of her crime. Lohan is later taken to UCLA Medical Center to begin her court-ordered rehab. She is again released early and permitted to continue her treatment on an outpatient basis.

September 2010: After failing a drug test, Lindsay Lohan’s probation is revoked and she later spends one day in jail. Days later, she is sent to the Betty Ford Center, where she remained for three months.

Even at home, she’s unable to stay out of trouble—her monitoring bracelet detects trace amounts of alcohol in her system, which under further investigation are not deemed a probation violation, so she receives no additional punishment. To this day, she remains on informal probation in connection with the jewelry theft case. She doesn’t have to check in with a probation officer in that case, but could face jail time if arrested again.

Dec. 12, 2010: During Lindsay Lohan’s rehab stint, a staffer at the Betty Ford Center accuses the starlet of attacking her after she asks Lohan to submit to a drug and alcohol test. The charges are later dropped.

Feb. 9, 2011: Surprise! LL is taken back into custody after pleading not guilty to a burglary charge after stealing a $2,500 necklace from a Venice jewelry store. She is sentenced to 120 days in jail, 360 hours of community service at a Los Angeles women’s shelter and 120 hours service at the L.A. County morgue tied to the fact that any violations of the law constitute a violation of her probation. Due to overcrowding, she is assigned house arrest and is ordered to wear a tracking ankle monitor for 35 days.

Apr. 22, 2011: Lindsay Lohan is given 120 days in county jail and 480 hours of community service after a judge finds she violated her probation on the 2007 DUI. At the same time, her necklace-jacking charge is knocked down to a misdemeanor.

Lindsay Lohan stars as Liz Taylor in lifeless ‘Liz & Dick’

May 26, 2011: She’s released from L.A.’s Lynwood Jail due to overcrowding and serves out the rest of her stint under house arrest.

Oct. 19, 2011: The Mean Girls star has her probation revoked (again!) after failing to complete her court-ordered community service. After being briefly detained, she gets out after posting $100,000 bail. According to MTV, she is told that if she wants to stay out of jail, she needs to complete 16 hours of community service at the morgue before her next hearing.

November 2011: According to Business Insider, Lohan was sentenced to 30 days in county jail and extensive community service after she admitted to violating a past court order by failing to complete previously ordered community service.

March 14, 2012: Lohan is accused of allegedly sideswiping a person with her car outside a Hollywood hotspot and then fleeing the scene. L.A. prosecutors decline to prosecute, citing “no direct evidence.”

March 29, 2012: The comeback kid finally completes the probation in her DUI case and is placed on informal probation for the necklace theft.

June 2012: According to MTV, in the midst of trying to revive her career and posting several positive probation reports at the top of the year, she finds herself in more trouble. Although not seriously injured, she is taken to the hospital after crashing her Porsche into an 18-wheeler on the Pacific Coast Highway in Santa Monica. Days later it is reported that the actress may have lied to police about who was actually behind the wheel after saying she was in the passenger seat. That issue could still potentially lead to charges that could lead to possible jail time.

Sept. 19, 2012: Lohan was arrested on suspicion of leaving the scene of an accident when a man claimed she hit his knee while trying to park her Porsche Cayenne near the Dream Hotel. Prosecutors ultimately dropped the charges citing insufficient evidence, Hello Online reported in October.

She wasn’t arrested this time but Lohan found herself in the crosshairs of a legal battle that same month when she claimed Congressional aide Christian LaBella assaulted her, according to The Chicago Tribune. While Lohan claimed LaBella assaulted her, leading to his arrest; the misdemeanor charges against him were later dropped.

Oct. 10, 2012: Cops respond to a disturbance call at the Long Island, N.Y. home where Lindsay is staying with her mother, Dina Lohan, after the two allegedly have a massive blowout. No charges are filed, however.

Nov. 29, 2012: Lindsay Lohan was arrested around 4 a.m. on Thursday (November 29) after police said she hit a woman in the face during an argument at a New York City lounge. A spokesperson for the New York Police Department told MTV News that Lohan, 26, was taken into custody outside the nightspot and charged with third-degree assault in the incident after she got into an argument with another woman at Avenue in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan. The victim reportedly did not need medical attention.

Her latest arrest comes days after she appeared in “Liz & Dick,” a Lifetime biopic of Elizabeth Taylor. Even as she tries to stage a career comeback, if her latest run-in means a return to her old ways, it could put a serious damper on any of those plans.

[SoCalDem]

160. And she's seeking some publicity now because she's probably desperately broke

Her people should have prepped her better.

The world was her oyster and she shucked it.

Letterman is not a smarmy unctuous host .. He asked her questions that probably should have been expected.

That's probably a lot of LL's problem..too many people kissing her ass for a paycheck from her, and no one to tell he the hard truth.

She pissed away her young-ingenue years, and her looks..she better figure things out soon or she'll be living a a trailer park or jail..

[hobbit709]

8. More blithering.

[bobduca]

105. It takes a Village

idiot.

[Jennicut]

11. Why would you want him to "cream" Jimmy Fallon?

Guy is nice, funny, talented, young (compared to the ancient Letterman and Leno).

[graham4anything]

19. Kicking out an older, higher salaried worker for a young upstart for 1/3 corporate ageism

Most of the reason those 45 and older can't find a good job is because the kids are hired at 1/3 the salary and want even younger people under them

Why would anyone fire the person getting the highest ratings on the entire NBC network?

And, after Matt Lauer's abuse of Ann Curry at NBC, and Letterman's abuse of LL on CBS
and the abuse of the older generation (they tried and failed with the unfunny Conan a few years ago too)
what message does it send to America?

It's good though that Fallon will stay in NY(under the guru Lorne Michaels, who well, it goes without saying has had problems with women in SNL from day one) but Fallon and NY are better than moving him to Burbank.

BTW, it was a major win for NYC and Mike Bloomberg to secure Fallon for NYC.
1000s of union jobs.

[cali]

23. ack. talk about lurching to the ridiculous. Not that that's a stretch for you.

Jay Leno is worth hundreds of millions of dollars and you have the fucking nerve to piously bleat that this is ageism. Vomit.

[graham4anything]

27. And he employs 100s of union workers, paid out of his own pocket

and he is going to bring them to a new show he will have a few months down the road.

I know I will follow him to whatever station he goes to, and if anything is overly funny
on Fallon (like the Whip my Hair or Friday's parody), will watch on youtube.

But Fallon is like a deer in the headlights when interviewing someone
(though he don't abuse the guests like Letterman does.)

If I owned CBS, I would have fired Letterman after one of those other incidents years ago.

[Bluenorthwest]

78. Jay does not pay the crew from his own pocket, that's ludicrous. Jay's salary 20 Million a year

for the Tonight Show, he has been offered an additional 15 million if he is replaced early. 15 million. And just fyi, I have known some of the key Tonight Show crew for years and years. NBC pays them, not Jay. NBC is a Union shop, everything done there is Union. It's NBC.

[graham4anything]

85. Jay took a big cut in salary to save the jobs(yes, directly of course paid by NBC).

Same as Eric Braeden(uber Liberal on the YR) cut his salary in 1/2 to save the show and the salaries of the cast and crew of Young and Restless).

Much like a very select few singers(MOSTLY NOT the ones that receive the good press railing against corporations while making billions) keeps the backup band on salary during the years between tours.

[6000eliot]

92. Leno is a racist, homophobic asshole.

And, even worse, he's a hack who can't tell a joke to save his own life.

[EOTE]

115. That is the most succinct description of Leno I've ever heard.

There are millions of homophobic, racist assholes, but I generally don't think of them at all, why waste my time? Leno disgusts me, though. It's the fact that he's paid to be funny and fails without question every time. The fact that he's the late night king depresses me more than anything else. It really shows you what appealing to the lowest common denominator can do. I would say that he's the Big Mac of comedians, but I've actually had some enjoyment from eating a Big Mac. He's more like the Domino's Pizza of comedy.

[graham4anything]

181. Please provide links to those comments you are agreeing with

No one should eat a big mac in 2013.
There are over 1000 wasted calories in it.

But then, I guess Clarence should have let George Bailey jump

Please show me how Leno is those things?

[EOTE]

182. Are you fucking kidding me?

Show you how Leno sucks beyond belief? I made an analogy, are you familiar with those? Given that you're a Leno fan, it doesn't surprise me that you have an utter lack of a sense of humor. If Leno had jumped, the world would be a far better place.

[dsc]

183. Here are two nice examples for you

One is a letter an openly gay playwright wrote him after his behavior over time.

http://liberalserving.typepad.com/liberalserving/2006/04/dear_jay_lenofa.html#more

Dear Mr. Leno,
My name is Jeff Whitty. I live in New York City. I'm a playwright and the author of "Avenue Q", which is a musical currently running on Broadway.

I've been watching your show a bit, and I'd like to make an observation:

When you think of gay people, it's funny. They're funny folks. They wear leather. They like Judy Garland. They like disco music. They're sort of like Stepin Fetchit as channeled by Richard Simmons.

Gay people, to you, are great material.

Mr. Leno, let me share with you my view of gay people:

When I think of gay people, I think of the gay news anchor who took a tire iron to the head several times when he was vacationing in St. Maarten's. I think of my friend who was visiting Hamburger Mary's, a gay restaurant in Las Vegas, when a bigot threw a smoke bomb filled with toxic chemicals into the restaurant, leaving the staff and gay clientele coughing, puking, and running in terror. I think of visiting my gay friends at their house in the country, sitting outside for dinner, and hearing, within hundreds of feet of where we sat, taunting voices yelling "Faggots." I think of hugging my boyfriend goodbye for the day on 8th Avenue in Manhattan, and being mocked and taunted by passing high school students.

end of quote

Here is a link to him trying to humiliate Ryan Philippe for playing a gay kid on a soap

http://www.afterelton.com/blog/snicks/ryan-phillippe-talks-to-jay-leno-manages-to-retain-dignity

Ryan appeared on The Tonight Show last Wednesday to promote his upcoming movie Stop/Loss, but Jay, ever the Junior High Schooler, wanted to needle Ryan about his role as Billy Douglas years ago on One Life To Live. As you probably know, back in the early 90's Ryan played the first openly gay soap opera teenager, and Jay found the whole idea Hilarious!. After asking Ryan if his character's name was "Lance Bedrock", he asked Ryan to turn to the camera and give his "gayest look". Ryan tried his best to maintain his composure, but he was obviously uncomfortable.

You may remember that two years ago, Jeff Whitty wrote an "open letter" to Jay about his gay-baiting. After this latest incident, Jeff has released details about the conversation he had with Jay about the letter, including Jay's assertion that he was well aware of gay history, including the famous "StoneHILL Rebellion".

I can't find the video it must have been removed from youtube for copywrite.

http://gawker.com/371495/

On last Wednesday's The Tonight Show, Towleroad notes, Ryan Phillippe popped by to promote Stop-Loss. Host Jay Leno—a man being courted aggressively by studios and networks, with promises of eight-figure contracts and brand new theaters bearing his name—opened the interview with questions about Phillippe's first paying job on One Life To Live.

In 1993, when he was 17, Phillippe was cast in a groundbreaking role on the long-running soap, playing the first openly gay teenager on network TV—a subject way ahead-of-its-time, and that most agree was handled responsibly. Leno then proceeds to mine the comedic gold inherent in this mock-worthy topic, starting with his best, "Gee, your parents must have been thrilled" material before segueing into a tight bit in which he suggests "that camera is your gay lover...can you give me your gayest look?" Phillippe threatens to leave twice, more seriously the second time, after Leno goes on to bring up a David LaChapelle-directed Armani ad in which Ryan is—get this guys—naked! In a fashion ad! Directed by a swishy photographer-type! How fruity is that? Phillippe ends up staying, clinging all the while to a vision of Leno flying off of a cliff in one of his ZZ Top gangster cars. We truly wish he hadn't.

end of quote

[Bluenorthwest]

93. Jay took no pay cut he gets 20 million a year, NBC has Union workers on all shows.

What you said: And he employs 100s of union workers, paid out of his own pocket.

That is false, you typed it up and delivered it with bravado and authority although you were just making it up. The rest of your crap on the subject is just as inaccurate, just as made up, fictional and false as your claim that Leno pays his crew out of his own pocket, or that NBC is Unionized because of Jay. It's one thing to be wrong, another to simply make up crap and claim it is true,that's called lying, and it is not an acceptable tactic.

[Bluenorthwest]

113. Perhaps you do not understand the level of disrespect you show to Union workers at

NBC and other networks when you credit Leno for their Union contracts, which have been hard won by generations of worker in that industry. Real people making the world better for future workers are owed huge amounts of praise and all of the credit you attempt to steal for a Republican ultra rich hack.
Jay could, as a billionaire, forgo just half his pay, keep 10 million and spit the other ten million among his crew, but he does not do that. There are major talents that do exactly that. Jay is not among them. He keeps his entire 20 million and I'm told he does not even bother to return his costume, he wears it out the door, gets on a private jet and flies off to do a 'private concert' before flying home where he leaves his suit which NBC later has to gather up. Because Jay does not pay for the suits he wears on Tonight, but he keeps them unless some worker goes and fetches them, thousands of dollars each, and he just keeps them.
Want more stories? We can go back to the time Jay was a Dorito's spokesman, selling empty calories for fat checks. He was a jerk then, a homophobe, a Republican, a twit of a certain sort.

[Jennicut]

179. You said it better then I could.

I would much rather give Jimmy Fallon a shot then Leno. He is most definitely NOT a Republican.

[MADem]

64. I know 90 year olds who like Fallon and Kimmel way better than Leno.

When Leno took over the Tonight Show, he SUCKED. He had Marsalis as his musical director, the guy didn't want to do "patter," the set was dark, the jokes were flat.

The network gave Leno OVER A YEAR to pull his ratings out of the toilet.

Thanks to Jay Leno, they only gave Conan O'Brien five minutes.

So fuck Jay Leno--he's a greedy Republican. To hell with him.

[Jennicut]

180. He's 38.

Hardly a kid. I'm 37. Leno and Letterman are near retirement age. Johnny Carson left at 66 and Leno was 42 when he took over.

[JVS]

34. Leno vs Fallon is shit vs. shit.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Seek help-

PLEASE




signed



Lindsay Lohan

[The Link]

15. If Hillary wants it, Letterman should be the nominee.

[HappyMe]

18. ...

Good one!

[Champion Jack]

17. What a total bullshit OP

[baldguy]

20. .

[GoCubsGo]

25. That's putting it nicely.

Oy, oy, oy.

[deutsey]

38. lol

[myrna minx]

47. LOL.

[EOTE]

117. One single grimace from Louis C.K. is funnier than everything Leno has ever done.

Your animated gif really brings home how insanely unfunny Leno is.

[Logical]

21. LOL, Lohan deserves some tough love! Wow, fail! n-t

[Comrade_McKenzie]

22. Ladies and gentlemen... Andy Kaufman. nt

[bluedigger]

91. You and crackerfornothing could have a great future together.

[EOTE]

118. Thank you veddy much. nt

[morningfog]

24. Lol. Those bits are scripted. The guests are in on the gag.

[TheManInTheMac]

26. Letterman has always been rude to his guests, at least to those

who can't advance his career, and that's pretty much all of them now. And I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here, or anywhere else for that matter, who doesn't hope Lohan cleans her act up. It's getting more and more unlikely she will, though.

[tabasco]

31. Don't forget to follow up with a "Leave Lindsey alone!!" video

on Youtube.

[Vinnie From Indy]

32. The OP is pharmaceutical grade flame bait

Letterman rocks, Leno is a backstabbing POS and Fallon is the future.

Cheers!

[blm]

149. And still waiting for admins to notice.....

that the preponderance of posts have been crafted towards that goal.

[JVS]

33. Nope.

[Poll_Blind]

35. What a joke. nt

PB

[brewens]

36. Dave can be brutal. I've seen him stick it to Mr. T. and Bo Derek but roll out the

red carpet for someone like Willy Nelson. Usually his attitude toward guests reflects about the respect I think they rate. I didn't see the Lohan appearance but some people should know better than to go on his show.

[tularetom]

40. Bullshit, Letterman has slowed down a bit but he's still light years better than douchebag Leno

Google "Leno hides in closet" if you want to know why he's generally regard as a sneaky little back stabbing piece of shit. Then ask Conan O'Brien about him sometime.

Hopefully when Dave retires CBS will replace him with Craig Ferguson. Between Ferguson and Jimmy Kimmel nobody is going to watch whatever crap NBC has on, whether it's Leno, Fallon, or Cathy Lee Gifford.

[graham4anything]

44. How about a woman talk show host? Tina or Amy for instance?

BTW, why not ask George Lopez about how Conan did to him WORSE than any perceived sleight to Conan(who never should have been a host in the first place.
Great writer,nice guy horrible shifty host.

Conan should have demanded they stay in NYC

By moving to NYC, Fallon insures he will remain host and Leno can't come back.

BTW, you can't blame Jay for NBC producers mistakes.

Look how they mishandled Ann Curry in the morning.

[tularetom]

68. How about a talk show with Baba Wawa and a panel of women?

Let's see, she could have a blond airhead republican bimbette, a smart black lady, a dumb black lady, and an outspoken woman with a strong NY accent.

Nah, it'd never work.

[HappyMe]

69. Well, Tina and Amy have

on-going brilliant careers. They have no need to sit around and blab with celebrities.

[tammywammy]

122. "George Lopez would like you to know he and Conan O’Brien get along just fine."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-06-16/news/chi-george-lopez-conan-obrien-20110616_1_lopez-tonight-george-lopez-conan-o-brien

George Lopez would like you to know he and Conan O’Brien get along just fine.

Sure, Lopez’s late night talk show, “Lopez Tonight,” was bumped back an hour in November to make room for O’Brien’s show, “Conan” — and Lopez acknowledges they don’t have all that much in common — but he insists there are no hard feelings, and he hopes to put rumors of a feud to rest.

“When he came to TBS, there were reports like, ‘they don’t get along’ and ‘he took his time spot,’ but nobody owns a time spot,” Lopez said over the phone the recent morning after he and O’Brien appeared on each other’s talk shows. “You rent with no option to buy. Nothing is concrete.

“Nobody knows the relationship between Conan and I is respectful. We’re two completely different people, but the same things drive us.”

Lopez, who will host a comedy show, “Viva La Risa,” at the Park West Friday and perform with Russell Peters at the Rosemont Theatre Saturday, is in his second season of hosting the TBS late-night talk show. There also have been reports that the show is at risk of being cancelled because it has yet to be picked up for another season, but, like the feud rumors, Lopez says those stories are false.

[EOTE]

131. George Lopez likes Conan.

He thanked him for bringing viewers to his new, later show. The fact that you excuse Leno's bullshit and then go after Leno's victims shows far more about your personality than you might imagine. NBC (and Matt Lauer in particular) treated Ann Curry very bad, but that doesn't let Leno off the hook for all his evil shit. Leno is a humorless fuck who appeals to the lowest common denominator. Conan's humor actually has intelligence. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is leading to the destruction of this country, Leno is just a symptom of that.

[Sivafae]

150. Because women aren't funny...duh!

Gracie Allen wasn't funny and neither was Lucille Ball or Phyllis Diller. Neither is Joy Behar, Rosanne Barr, Goldie Hawn, Lili Tomlin, Sandra Bernhard, Betty White, Whoopie Goldberg, Carol Burnett or Margaret Cho.

[graham4anything]

42. She could be someone's daughter. In fact, she is.

We all love Johnny Depp, however,
I bet if it were Johnny Depp, they would go ballistic on Letterman.

Yet Depp gets one softball question after another every single time he is promoting something
(and he is on Letterman it seems once every five months solely to promote something.

(I never recall Dave ever asking about River or something like that.

[HappyMe]

45. So what?

She's a grown woman. If she were just a regular person, she would be in jail right now.

She continually fucks up. Her problems are of her own making. I hope she decides to get herself together one day.

[graham4anything]

48. Most people don't have carloads of people attempting to get her in trouble for TMZ

TMZ and their likes don't report news, they make news.

The average person does not have this problem.

City cameras should be placed on every street corner to snap the photographers and then throw the photographers into jail for harrassment.

The pressure is unreal when private people make money off their camera.

The only person who ever seems to show concern is her father.

[cali]

53. grab a frickin' clue. She does it all on her little lonesome.

Fortunately, she hasn't killed anyone. yet. of course YOU will be making excuses for her should she get behind the wheel drunk again and kill someone. You'll blame it on the victim or the media or what the fuck ever.

[graham4anything]

61. If it weren't for the leakers/hackers telling people all her private info

they wouldn't follow her everywhere and they would leave her alone

[Javaman]

70. LOL "they would leave her alone" LOL

you, quite obviously, have zero notion as to how celebrity works.

I honestly believe that the gossip press would actually leave her alone? LOL

Wow!

[HappyMe]

60. She is responsible for her own actions. She's not 10 years old.

Her dad is no prize.

She makes her own decisions. She gets herself into trouble.

[cali]

50. so the fuck what? your Lohan slobbering is ridiculous.

I could give a fuck about some rich actress. I reserve my sympathies for those getting really fucked over in our society: the poor, the disabled, the elderly, etc.

YOU? waahh. poor rich girl.

[hobbit709]

59. you left out spoiled rotten

[trumad]

55. Margaret Thatcher was someons daughter...

your point?

[Javaman]

76. Lohan's dad...

is a piece of work...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lohan

and so is her mom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_Lohan

[bigwillq]

43. Didn't watch but boo-freaking-hoo

Get 'em, Letterman.

[ladjf]

56. He was exceptionally mean to Lindsay. I've never seen him act like that to a guest.

Overall, she handled it rather well.

[MADem]

62. He didn't bully her. You are very much mistaken.

She went through all those questions ahead of time in a pre-show interview with an assistant.

The purpose of the interview was so that she could "rehabilitate" herself in the public eye. That does not happen unless pointed and very specific questions are answered.

Did you notice how Letterman kissed her hand at the end of the interview? He only does that to women he likes--no kissie, no likie. Lohan was complicit in the entire interview process, and she was prepared for it.

Jay Leno should have "stayed quit" the first time. He's the guy who gave Ahhhnuld a shitload of free endorsement time when Gray Davis was recalled. A disgrace to Massachusetts.

[graham4anything]

65. NO. Watch the tape. She clearly says "THAT WAS NOT IN THE PREinterview"

She went on as legally contracted by the movie studio, to promote Scary Movie 5 and her appearnce on the Charlie Sheen show.
Appearances in the media are part of the contract signed when making a movie.

[MADem]

72. Oh please--you really are making a mountain out of a molehill.

http://media.philly.com/images/400*300/041013-Lohan-Letterman-600.jpg

Unless you are Lindsay Lohan, I think I'm going to disregard you view of this interview, because it doesn't marry with any observable reality.


LiLo tries to convince Letterman to stick to questions about her movie, which is a thing that actually got made. Eventually, she swipes his question sheet and hilariously reads a bunch of them off. Lohan gets into the emotional stuff and explains that she's looking forward to turning her life around.

....he two go back and forth riffing with Letterman's question sheet for a bit, before discussing Charlie Sheen and his antics. When Letterman goes to introduce Lohan's Scary Movie 5 clip, he asks if she's going to be at the premiere or if she'll already be in rehab. She's clearly agitated. He pushes and asks who's taking her to rehab. Lohan answers, "Jimmy Fallon."

BOOM!

At the end of the interview, Letterman thanks her for having the courage to come on the show after all of the jokes he's cracked over the years. Lohan gets emotional as Letterman says that he loves having her on the show.

The whole 14-minute interview is very entertaining, even if just to see Lohan playing off the rehab stuff and Letterman pushing her to talk about a little more than she'd like to before thanking her and making her cry by "being so sweet."



Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/VIDEO-Letterman-wants-to-talk-rehab-makes-Lindsay-Lohan-cry.html#ixzz2Q49WLAIs

Here's the interview--she did fine and she "rehabbed" her image with the public.

#!

[redqueen]

99. Thanks for posting that. nt

[UnrepentantLiberal]

123. Lindsay Lohan was poised and funny on ‘Letterman’… really!

Believe it or not, there was more to David Letterman’s big Lindsay Lohan interview than awkward rehab talk. The late night host actually had a surprisingly heartfelt discussion with one of his favorite targets — one that led to Lohan actually tearing up on camera after Letterman praised her for having “enough spine, enough sense of [yourself], and enough poise” to come on the show despite all the jokes he’s made at her expense.

Before that earnestness peeked through, though, Letterman and Lohan mostly kept things light, discussing her first appearance on his old NBC show — as a 6-year-old, she played “Things Found on the Floor of the D Train” in a Halloween-themed sketch — and, of course, her checkered past. Lohan said she had planned to do a bit implying that she was wearing a stolen dress; Letterman laughed heartily at the idea.

And Lohan, in turn, laughed pretty gamely when Letterman read through a few of his Lindsay jokes, taking special delight in this quip: “Lindsay Lohan’s in court so often the cafeteria has named a sandwich after her.” “They don’t let you eat there!” she said gleefully. “What is this, a gourmet court?”

One thing Lohan didn’t want to make light of: Her upcoming rehab stint, which is scheduled to begin May 2. When Letterman tried to steer the conversation toward that subject partway through the interview, the actress shut him down: “I’m looking forward to actually just taking time for me. You can’t make a joke of it. That’s so mean.” And when Letterman playfully asked if he could lob just one quip, Lohan stood her ground — “We’re not doing that. No. This is my show now.”

More: http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/04/10/lindsay-lohan-letterman-interview/

[Mnpaul]

165. She has a substance abuse problem

and after going through treatment twice, she is still in denial about it. It wasn't a youthful indiscretion it was a substance abuse problem that doesn't magically go away just because she grew older.

[MADem]

166. Who said anything about a "youthful indiscretion?"

Not me. Bring that up with whomever is shopping that POV.


My post is about the OP griping that Letterman was "being mean" to Lohan. He wasn't being mean, he was giving her the best opportunity to "rehab" her reputation with the public before she goes to serious "rehab" in May and June.

[Mnpaul]

168. She did

Letterman has been there and knows she was denying her problem. Letterman was pushing her to face her problem and admit it.

By the way,” Dave said — and this was very interesting to us, “I used to be a horrible alcoholic. I’m fine now. I started drinking when I was, like, 12 and didn’t stop until I was in my 30s.”
http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2012/12/12/watch-on-late-show-letterman-reveals-private-history-with-alcohol/

[MADem]

169. Tell the OP, then--you and I, we're closer to the same POV.

I still maintain he wasn't being mean to her--he's known her since she was a little kid.

Nothing wrong with a little honesty between friends.

[Mnpaul]

170. Sorry if you got the wrong impression

I was agreeing with you. Dave was concerned and wants her to work the program.

[MADem]

171. No problem--this is the thing with the written word, it's easy to take stuff the "wrong" way!!

No inflection or tone of voice or facial expressions to rely upon!

[Javaman]

73. oh then, that's the breaks, it's his show and he can ask what he wants.

she was asked the questions people should have been asking for years but never have.

and that's a bad thing?

Look at the things she has done and gotten away with and no one has ever held her accountable, least of all the entertainment law system.

The days of cutting her slack have long since past.

[mucifer]

66. Letterman has a history of doing this. I remember in his early shows

he would interview models and make fun of them. Half the time they didn't understand what he was doing. It was mean.

It's nothing new.

I also consider him an effective volunteer for democratic campaigns in the way he interviews his political guests. He did his best to get Barack Obama elected twice and to get Gore and Kerry elected.

He is a complex person.

He has his good points and his bad points like everyone else.

[MADem]

86. Watch the interview--it's in post 72. He and Lindsay Lohan go back YEARS.

Back to her CHILDHOOD.

The OP is attempting to put a spin on the encounter without knowing the history of the participants. LL was tearful because Letterman was "so sweet"--she knows he has her back and he's trying to help her. She also knows that if ya can't make fun of yourself in show biz, you're screwed. He probably did her more good than a thousand publicists could. She knows it, too.

[Rhiannon12866]

172. Exactly right, and I did see the interview.

I wasn't particularly interested in her, I usually watch Letterman. I've actually been in his studio audience and he couldn't be nicer, has been doing this for 30 years and still comes out afterwards to thank everyone for coming.

[Baitball Blogger]

177. They don't want to listen.

You have it spot on. If you can't be the first to laugh at your foibles, you're mincemeat in the business.

Look what they're doing to Amanda Bynes. And she officially quit!

[southernyankeebelle]

67. Why should we have sympathy for a young woman who worked her way in

CA to be a star and now she is throwing it all away. How many times do we have to give her a chance? She keeps going like this she will not be able to find a decent job in the film market except for porn. That is very sad. The best thing for her is some real jail time. Maybe 2 or 3 years then she can clean herself up. Then get the hell away from the loser parents she has. I want to see her clean her act up like Drew Barryamore and I know she can do it. I believe in her.

[Orrex]

71. If she keeps it up at this rate, she'll be cast to play Tony Stark before long.

She has thrown away more success, money, and opportunity than most people will see in their lifetimes despite working harder than the bullied Ms. Lohan. She has been given a great many "second chances" and has gleefully squandered them when most people don't get even one.

I'll save my sympathy for people who don't have her good luck and resources.

[graham4anything]

81. So addicts don't deserve a second chance on a liberal board?

Robert Downey Jr. was handled with kid gloves and megamillion film roles as was Mickey Roarke and Tom Cruise.

Jodie Foster gets crucified for helping out Mel Gibson in his hour of need
(especially as Jodie never asked for what happened to her either.)

Vicious.

reminds me there is a difference between progressives and liberals.

[Orrex]

89. How many second chances does Ms. Lohan deserve? And why her?

I have more sympathy for the non-celebrity addicts who are jailed for years after a single offense.

Why are you advocating so passionately for a person who has received and squandered more judicial leniency than she had any reason to expect?


Can you point me to your many posts advocating with equal passion for low-income drug addicts who didn't receive a dozen second chances?

[Bluenorthwest]

96. In fact, the OP constantly defends the racist 'stop and frisk' drug policy Bloomberg runs

in NYC. So others don't even get a first chance, if some cop stops them for just walking down the street while young male and black.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022140356#post12

[Orrex]

102. Well I'm just shocked!

Shocked, I tell you!

[bike man]

119. "Second chance" and "Lindsay Lohan" should not be in the same sentence. She has

multiple arrests, multiple violations of probation, multiple instances of failure to participate in various substance abuse programs.

[Logical]

154. LOL, 2nd chance? Try 5th or 6th. Are you related to her? n-t

[smirkymonkey]

195. +1000

As much of a f**k up as she is, I still can't help but to feel a bit sorry for her. Her parents are a disaster and completely enabling. She is constantly surrounded by people who use and abuse her and continue to encourage her unhealthy lifestyle. She has some part in it yes, but I still feel a bit bad for the girl. I think that at one time she had some real talent. I really hope she can get it together again.

[lpbk2713]

77. Whatever happened to the unrec feature?

[City Lights]

129. I know, right!?!? nt

[Apophis]

79. Oh? Tell me again how unliberal I am

because I don't feel sorry for Lindsey Lohan?

Pity isn't good to begin with, btw.

[Whisp]

83. Leno is a disgusting Neanderthal stuck in a time machine.

He is a racist shit and makes jokes about pedophilia.

[datasuspect]

84. maybe hillary can do his show

[Baitball Blogger]

87. Letterman does not suffer fools.

He was harsh with Kristine Stewart for not continuing her education.

And he even booted Harmony Korine off his show for rifling through Meryl Streep's purse:

Korine was due on Late Show for a fourth time soon after -- he even made it to the studio -- but was infamously banned under mysterious conditions. On Monday, his good friend and Spring Breakers star James Franco appeared on the show, where he proceeded to prod its host into explaining just why Korine had gotten the boot.

Letterman played coy, pretending not to remember the three interviews, but then asked Franco to tell him what he had heard about the mysterious incident. Franco responded that Korine told him he was banned for pushing Meryl Streep backstage, but "he said he was a little out of it...Harmony is a very sane guy now, a great artist and great person to work with, but I think he had a period where he was going a little off the rails, so maybe he was on something that night."

Letterman then spilled the beans.

"I went upstairs to greet Meryl Streep and welcome her to the show, and I knock on the door...and she was not in there. And I looked around, and she was not in there, and I found Harmony going through her purse," he said. "True story. And so I said, 'That's it, put her things back in her bag and then get out.'"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/harmony-korine-david-letterman-bans-430937

[unapatriciated]

94. Scary Movie 5? - Maybe Lohan should retire

[MADem]

143. I haven't seen any of that franchise, but the clip that Letterman showed was HILARIOUS.

You have to like those silly, OTT comedies, but if they appeal, it looks like fun.

I was a fan of the Naked Gun series...when OJ hit the headlines, I knew that was the end of that.

I don't know how many times I have watched AIRPLANE, but I can still sit through it...!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

97. graham4anything is the most amusing poster here

Folks, just sit back and enjoy. His/her random rants about everything from Mike Bloomberg to movies are so bizarre....at first I wanted to throw my laptop out the window, it was so maddening, but now i just revel in the brilliance of this Kaufman-like performance art.

[hobbit709]

98. One of the best since Random Thoughts.

[FSogol]

193. I am due beer and travel money and many experiences.

<Insert Dire Straits video library here>

[karynnj]

124. that may be the best way to treat that poster

The posts tend to be filled with misinformation and then absurd predictions - like his view that HRC will be President for 8 years, followed by Michelle Obama for 8 years, then Caroline Kennedy's son for 8 years and then Chelsea Clinton. It is absurd to assume that the Democrats will hold the Presidency for 40 years -- and for ALL of them to be close relatives of previous Presidents!

As I hope no one takes him/her seriously any more (or maybe ever), even correcting the errors may be worthwhile only in the rare instance they could be seen as real.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

125. I enjoyed his post bashing Tom Harkin

Saying he was "selfish" to retire after 5 terms. Great stuff.

[premium]

130. He's DU's version of the class clown.

I chuckle at all his absurd predictions of who is going to do this or who's going to do that.

[karynnj]

140. Yeah - easpecially as he groomed a successor.

It is hard to think of many Senators more progressive than Harkin. He said the same of Kerry, who accepted SoS after 28 years in the Senate -- adding bizarrely that he had only been "Senior Senator" for only a few years - ignoring that he and fellow "Junior" Senator Rockefeller - who both came in the same year as Harkin - were both chairing powerful committees and were far more powerful than many Senior Senators from states with more turnover.

Yet he wants to give the nominations for President to connected people, who all but HRC, have no political experience at all.

[pipi_k]

100. If she ever kills anybody...

then being "bullied" by Letterman will seem like a walk in the park compared to what she would experience.


She needs more than a three month program.

She needs a year...or more...of intensive treatment.

And she needs to quit all contact with her insane mother. That entire family needs help.

[TacoD]

106. It's time for somebody to retire, all right (nt)

[MadHound]

107. You are becoming a parody act,

In fact I think that's what you've been all along.

[TheKentuckian]

108. Graham4McCain is still just pissed that Dave dismantled his boy's ass.

[brooklynite]

116. Presumable, Lindsay was dragged kicking and screaming onto the set of the Letterman show?

I think the disdain with which many people treat her (personally, I ignore her completely) has to do not with her abuse problems, but with the myriad "second chances" she's been given (which I suspect the average abuser doesn't have the opportunity for) and which she's consistently blown.

As for Letterman? Here's a simple solution: don't watch.

[edbermac]

121. DU's answer to Chris Crocker.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

126. Why should we care?

Really.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

127. OP always cracks me up.

Pretty sure he's just an elaborate troll.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

128. We're clearly through the looking glass

Multiple threads about Lindsey Fucking Lohan.

I've officially seen it all.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

133. That's because some DU'ers need a spotlight

"My observation is FAR too important to be buried amongst a wall of babble, let me use this opportunity to shine!"

[graham4anything]

132. I guess Dave should abuse Jim Morrison/Janis Joplin & Jimi Hendrix as all 3 also were addicts

I find the disdain for addicts amazing.

But then to admit one wants to help a user would be akin to Bloomberg attempting to save people's lives, so everyone has to stay on message.

If only Clarence were there to save Janis Jimi and Morrison and Elizabeth Taylor.

let alone Billy Joel who has crashed so many times (and been ripped off twice).

People are strange.

[NightWatcher]

135. Psst they're dead. I don't think they'd do his show

[premium]

142. There's no disdain for her as an addict,

the disdain is that she continually gets away with bad behavior, is given judicial chance after judicial chance without any real punishment, whereas, you or I or just plain joe blow citizen would've been thrown in jail after the first or second violation.

[demosincebirth]

134. I think he's the most intelligent late night talk show host on. He always self-deprcates himself

before he asks a thought provoking question. That's what I like about him.

[Buzz Clik]

137. Meh. Lohan. Her pedestrian career is buoyed by her tabloid persona.

Without her addictions, arrests, and rehab, she would be just another bit actress who had some good movies as a child.

Letterman gave her another 5 minutes of fame.

[Matariki]

144. I saw about 30 seconds of that on the web and wondered if Letterman is always such an asshole

I don't watch his show, is he always like that? Does he always wear a big toothy grin while he humiliates his guests? Does he tend to do that more to women?

The only other times I remember of his show are him being equally asinine to author Tama Janowitz - instead of talking about her book he pointed out flaws in her appearance.

[graham4anything]

147. Yes, yes, and yes.

And it is not equal to males with problems.
He is sexist.

[Iggo]

151. Um...huh?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

152. Are you serious? There was nothing wrong with the video.

Lohan is a big girl. Geez.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

153. Tough love?

Could it be that is what she has needed?

[DevonRex]

163. Exactly. He did go off script. Deliberately. For her own good.

He took on the role of father figure, older recovering alcoholic. God knows her real parents never acted like parents. There will be a whole slew of people in show business who can help her out, both parental figures, if she will do the work. East and west coasts. That was the message.

[TroglodyteScholar]

155. This is nothing new for Letterman.

He's always bullied guests in one way or another. It's part of his schtick.

[Cleita]

159. Hmmm. I don't think her being a woman has anything to do with it.

He was pretty scathing with Charlie Sheen too.

[DevonRex]

161. David Letterman is a recovering alcoholic.

He gave her some much-needed straight talk and some genuine caring. The only person who can help an alcoholic is another alcoholic. Because they've been there, done that. They don't baby each other. What was uncomfortable for a regular person to watch was exactly what Ms. Lohan desperately needed and wanted to hear. Craig Ferguson could have done the same, and would have done exactly the same thing Dave did. But it's better that it came from Dave.

[olddots]

164. Who are these people ?

[fadedrose]

167. NEVER - his tone changed as they talked

She had him eating out of her hand, which he kissed twice - he doesn't do that to everyone, and wished her good luck. Paul was very kind too, and so was the audience.

You must remember that he's been extremely merciless at poking fun at her "crimes", and way of life, and to welcome her as tho nothing had happened, would have been phoney. He welcomed her as he treated her, but they both "grew" in depth...

I liked the way it ended up.

[Honeycombe8]

174. I have no sympathy for Lindsay "I won't get arrested...I'm a celebrity!" Lohan.

She's narcissistic, self-indulgent, spoiled, rich, and self-absorbed. She rarely works and lives to party. She's squandered opportunities and advantages that others would die to have. I have no sympathy for her.

As for Letterman, he's a genius and an icon. There has been and never will be anyone like him. He'll retire one day, maybe. If he does, it'll be on his own terms. And certainly not because of an interview with a spoiled actress. He's had many of those.

[AndyA]

176. It seems like someone needs to confront Lohan about her issues.

She doesn't seem to be getting the help she needs. What a waste. She's pretty, has some talent, and could really be a good actress if she worked at it.

It's sad to see someone with so many opportunities just throw them away.

As for Leno, he's not a nice person. He's a big right winger. His 15 minutes are up, time for him to go. He screwed over Conan O'Brien a few years ago, and he's now paying for it, just like Matt Lauer is paying for not being supportive of Ann Curry.

The entertainment industry apparently is not an easy field to work in, I hope that Lohan gets help and turns her life around.

[Smarmie Doofus]

178. I sort of like Letterman but he was a doofus w. Lohan. Who....

... believe it or not... I had never seen before.

(Hey... Chris Quinn and Mike Bloomberg aren't exactly famous for being "nice to women." What's with the double-standard and why do I get the feeling I'm not going to get a straight answer from you?)

[name not needed]

185. You could just change the channel.

But then you'd have nothing to bitch about.

[graham4anything]

191. I don't watch him, ever anymore.

I happened to see a clip on a morning news show I don't normally watch, but a band was on the show I wanted to hear sing so I watched it.

[WilliamPitt]

186. I'm looking forward to one retirement in particular.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

187. Clearly that makes you an NRA supporting RalphNaderRonPaulJebBushCarrotTop errand boy. nt

[WilliamPitt]

188. Upon which I shamelessly steal from a post upthread

[marmar]

189. Bandwidth. Wasted.

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[zappaman]

192. You win!

[JI7]

190. Lindsay Lohan supported Mitt Romney and Leno has always propped up Republicans

[Boomerproud]

194. She was so traumatized by Letterman that she was photographed getting into a car after going to a

club.