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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:01 PM Mar 2013

Pleased to be Shutting the Piehole Now: Charles P. Pierce on the NYT and the anniversary of the war

Pleased to be Shutting the Piehole Now
By Charles P. Pierce
Esquire

Tuesday 19 March 2013

The "public editor" of The New York Times tells us today that the paper's coverage of the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War is likely to be less of a hoot than back in the drum-banging days when Judy Miller was standing atop a great pile of stove-piped bullshit while Bill Keller threw roses at her feet.

I asked Dean Baquet, a managing editor, about the low-key approach. He said that while a few stories are planned, editors did not see a need for a major project or special section, as they did with the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "The war itself has been dissected to a tremendous degree," he told me. "You have to have something new or fresh to say." He would not provide specifics about the articles that are planned, but said there might be one or two that would make their way onto the front page this week...Is The Times's own role in the run-up to the war a part of this relative reticence, as some readers have suggested to me? Is there reluctance to revisit a painful period in the paper's history? Mr. Baquet said that's not a factor. "The Times has probably acknowledged its own mistakes from that period more than anyone," he said. "We certainly haven't been shy about doing that. We're doing the stories that make sense to us and that offer our readers something worthwhile."


That is, of course, all bollocks. Keller still writes a column. The Times is playing this on the downlow precisely because it never truly has atoned for its role in a fiasco. The op-ed page still welcomes submissions from people whose work on this most grotesque foreign-policy blunder should have been as definitive a career-killer as were Joe Hazlewood's navigational abilities.

(snip)

Shut up, all of you. Go away. You are complicit in one way or another in a giant crime containing many great crimes. Atone in secret. Wash the blood off your hands in private. Because there were people who got it right. Anthony Zinni. David Shiseki. Hans Blix. Mohamed ElBaradei. The McClatchy Washington bureau guys. Dozens of liberal academics who got called fifth-columnists and worse. Professional military men whose careers suffered as a result. Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets around the world. The governments of Canada and France. Those people, I will listen to this week. Go to hell, the rest of you, and go there in silence and in shame.

The rest: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Happy_Anniversary

A tour de force. Read it.

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Pleased to be Shutting the Piehole Now: Charles P. Pierce on the NYT and the anniversary of the war (Original Post) WilliamPitt Mar 2013 OP
Going to have to rec this thread. (nt) NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #1
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2013 #2
A SHINING example tosh Mar 2013 #3
Charlie Pierce does not suffer anyone's bullshit lightly! bullwinkle428 Mar 2013 #4
It was Jonathon Landay and Warren Strobel at Knight Ridder who found the colonels at the Pentagon Kolesar Mar 2013 #5
Thanks for posting this Hamlette Mar 2013 #6
This should be on the front page of DU! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #7
Never forget! & Tell anyone and everyone you possibly can. 200K+ American-and-Iraqi lives MUST patrice Mar 2013 #8
Yeah, and add all of the families & friends of the dead & maimed, here and there. ReRe Mar 2013 #20
It's all so very astounding that it's as though NOTHING has happened and yet the size of patrice Mar 2013 #22
more than 200K. Iraq is about 1 million people short of where the lowest demographic projections HiPointDem Mar 2013 #25
The Times just merrily published the Republican lies -- even when they were obvious lies Berlum Mar 2013 #9
Sadly -- I must Kick and Rec. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #10
And take The Washington Post with you Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #11
Isn't it strange how those who yell loudest for war never served a day in uniform? LoisB Mar 2013 #12
MUST READ malaise Mar 2013 #13
Sounds more like a tour de farce, except the results have been so tragic. n/t winter is coming Mar 2013 #14
Eh? WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #15
The article itself is first-rate, but the events described winter is coming Mar 2013 #16
Ah. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #17
"Show me the butcher's bill for the Perle household, you vampire son of a bitch." tanyev Mar 2013 #18
I'd say that about says it all. Raster Mar 2013 #31
David Shiseki? Does he mean Eric Shinseki instead? kayakjohnny Mar 2013 #19
I noticed that too. Generals Shinseki and Taguba (both sons of Hawai'i) are my heroes Hekate Mar 2013 #28
This needs to be repeated Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #21
K&R ReRe Mar 2013 #23
The first apology xxqqqzme Mar 2013 #26
Yeah, Judith Miller... ReRe Mar 2013 #33
How about a 10th anniversary OF STORIES leading to the war. Festivito Mar 2013 #24
Not everyone has amnesia in this country Hekate Mar 2013 #27
10 years later marions ghost Mar 2013 #29
Love Me Some Charlie Pierce colsohlibgal Mar 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Mar 2013 #32

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
5. It was Jonathon Landay and Warren Strobel at Knight Ridder who found the colonels at the Pentagon
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:11 PM
Mar 2013

...who leaked the truth. McClatchy bought K-R after "Wall Street" said that K-R needed to be broken up. The flagship paper, the Akron Beacon Journal was sold to somebody else.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
6. Thanks for posting this
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:15 PM
Mar 2013

I don't read Pierce that often, but I should. Thanks for reminding me there are a few in the MSM who tell the truth.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
8. Never forget! & Tell anyone and everyone you possibly can. 200K+ American-and-Iraqi lives MUST
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:25 PM
Mar 2013

mean something!

And that's not even to mention the wounded and the maimed on both sides and the Iraqi refugees and orphans.

If ALL of that means nothing, but an "Oooops!", then I don't know what does mean anything.

The New York Times is an accessory to these crimes.

NEVER forget!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
20. Yeah, and add all of the families & friends of the dead & maimed, here and there.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:47 PM
Mar 2013

The people affected by what the NYTimes propped up is exponential.

"All that's unfit to print," should be their byline.

Bought and paid for by the MIC and all that the MIC comprises.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
22. It's all so very astounding that it's as though NOTHING has happened and yet the size of
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:59 PM
Mar 2013

the whole things is absolutely gob-stopping dumb-founding.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. more than 200K. Iraq is about 1 million people short of where the lowest demographic projections
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:11 AM
Mar 2013

made before the war would have put it.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
9. The Times just merrily published the Republican lies -- even when they were obvious lies
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:43 PM
Mar 2013

...and even when the Times knew that the Republican liars were intentionally lying.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
10. Sadly -- I must Kick and Rec.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:01 PM
Mar 2013

You, Mr. Pitt, deserve to have a mention in this piece.

Many years ago, it was your writing that drew me to DU. You among others were so poignant. It was something that was so sorely lacking in the media as we knew it then.

Today -- this time of year in general -- is such a sad remembrance.

None of this had to happen. None of it should have happened. So many people tried to stop it.

So many.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
11. And take The Washington Post with you
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mar 2013

Editor Bill Keller has learned nothing and is cheerleading for more war, this time in Iran.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
16. The article itself is first-rate, but the events described
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:12 PM
Mar 2013

would be farcical if they weren't so awful. Total clusterfuck, and amazing that so many journalists aided and abetted that horrific mess.

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
19. David Shiseki? Does he mean Eric Shinseki instead?
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:38 PM
Mar 2013

That's a big ball-drop.

There is no David Shiseki anywhere on the internet except this in this article.

Otherwise, awesome piece.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
28. I noticed that too. Generals Shinseki and Taguba (both sons of Hawai'i) are my heroes
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:17 PM
Mar 2013

Two men short in stature but towering in courage and ethics.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. This needs to be repeated
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:58 PM
Mar 2013
And precisely what risk did you "manage" ? What chance did you take? You gambled with other people's children in a game you'd helped rig. What cost was exacted from you, sitting your fat ass in a swivel chair at a wingnut intellectual chop-shop while kids are still staggering around the wards without legs and arms, or the cognitive functions to get them through the day? What price did you pay? You have to send out for lunch one day? Show me the butcher's bill for the Perle household, you vampire son of a bitch.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
23. K&R
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:06 PM
Mar 2013

Bullocks exactly. What the NYTimes should have done was devote the entire front page to apologize to this country for doing what they did. Allow all those columnists and reporters to opportunity to apologize to all the families and friends of the dead, all of the people of this country and the world, for their miserable complicity in the war crime they propped up 10 years+ ago. To the millions who marched all over this world in protest. History tells a story and it's not going to be kind to the NYTimes. The shame of the world sits on their shoulders.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
26. The first apology
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:00 PM
Mar 2013

should be written by judith miller.. Didn't we learn, during libby's trial, lies were being fed to her by darth & his minions for her columns?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
33. Yeah, Judith Miller...
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:00 PM
Mar 2013

...they should have LEFT her in jail. I define those who do misdeeds for hire or for compensation as prostitutes. Blackmail prostitutes. Prostitutes who sell out our priceless Democracy. These kind of prostitutes make the oldest profession's employees look like innocent angels.
Judith Miller makes me sick

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
27. Not everyone has amnesia in this country
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:15 PM
Mar 2013
Shut up, all of you. Go away. You are complicit in one way or another in a giant crime containing many great crimes. Atone in secret. Wash the blood off your hands in private. Because there were people who got it right. Anthony Zinni. David Shiseki. Hans Blix. Mohamed ElBaradei. The McClatchy Washington bureau guys. Dozens of liberal academics who got called fifth-columnists and worse. Professional military men whose careers suffered as a result. Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets around the world. The governments of Canada and France. Those people, I will listen to this week. Go to hell, the rest of you, and go there in silence and in shame.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
30. Love Me Some Charlie Pierce
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 04:18 PM
Mar 2013

He tells it like it really is and is so funny, he's one of my favorites.

Faux News, MSNBC, The NY Times and other newspapers, all quite guilty as collaborators. All except the clown car that is Fox are either playing it low key or trying to downplay their cheerleading

All this hubris will cost us trillions in the end, has snuffed the life of men and women here and in Iraq, killed untold number of innocent children, has sentenced countless others to a life severely compromised physically and/or mentally.

The media pom pomers were collaborators, but the neocon gang who started it belong in prison. We don't have the nerve but others do, which is why there are countries Bush, Cheney and others don't dare enter.

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