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Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:32 AM

Rand Paul is against war with Iran

Are *you* against war in Iran, just like Rand Paul? Then do the right thing and sign up with Karl Rove, we don't need Randites in our party, no sir!

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MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 OP
spanone Mar 2013 #1
still_one Mar 2013 #2
ProSense Mar 2013 #3
MineralMan Mar 2013 #4
magellan Mar 2013 #5
Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #16
magellan Mar 2013 #26
Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #20
magellan Mar 2013 #28
jsr Mar 2013 #6
Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #7
Rabid_Rabbit Mar 2013 #8
ProSense Mar 2013 #9
hobbit709 Mar 2013 #10
backtoblue Mar 2013 #15
Bonobo Mar 2013 #11
SidDithers Mar 2013 #12
sadbear Mar 2013 #13
Autumn Mar 2013 #14
midnight Mar 2013 #17
FarCenter Mar 2013 #18
HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #19
RZM Mar 2013 #24
dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #25
TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #21
bluedigger Mar 2013 #22
Javaman Mar 2013 #23
Earth_First Mar 2013 #27

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:33 AM

1. who cares. fuck him.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:37 AM

2. actually rove is not a rand paul advocate, and is trying to minimize paul and tea party influence.

What should concern people is not that paul is presenting issues that should concern progressive Democrats, and yet, most of them are NOT bring it up in Congress


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:37 AM

3. Rand Paul

"Rand Paul is against war with Iran"

...is against a lot of things, primarily civil rights: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022472176

Are you on a mission to elevate Rand Paul to Ron Paul's fraudulent status as anti-war?



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:37 AM

4. How quickly we forget all the things Rand Paul

is "for." Rand Paul is for many things, most of which are in direct opposition to everything liberals, progressives, and even moderate Democrats want. The list is almost endless, and there should be no need to post that list here.

That he stood up to filibuster an Obama appointment on an issue that is really a non-issue, since nobody in the federal government is planning to start killing American citizens on US soil with drones, does not diminish what should be our complete disgust with this right wing libertarian asshole.

If anyone really needs a list, just click the link below and scroll down to the Positions section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul

If that is not enough, you can also visit this link:

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Kentucky/Rand_Paul/Views/

After you visit those links and learn what Ron Paul really stands for, I'm sure you'll agree with the following statement:

Fuck Ron Paul, and his father, too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:39 AM

5. The purity required on this matter is shocking

Lots of Dems scared the party will lose supporters to libertarians is all I can figure. Shame they don't get ahead of this instead of sticking their fingers in their ears and blasting Rand Paul for doing what the Dem leadership should have done.

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Response to magellan (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:01 AM

16. Exactly what I was thinking

And because I agree with maybe two of Rand Pauls stances I'm not going to disavow being a Democrat and start identifying as a Libertarian. It's like when someones says they are comfortable in their sexualilty, if you are comfortable with being a Democrat you should have no problems or worries just being on a couple of the same pages as a REPUBLICAN like RP. What does it take to penetrate that type of ego?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:32 AM

26. Not a clue

This abusive lockstep thinking is what drove me away from DU in 2009, when those of us who just wanted to see the Dems and Obama fight for the public option were castigated for it. Simply wanting someone to fight, even if the votes weren't there, was wrong. I'm back now because of the chained CPI threat and it's the same thing: shut up until it's done, then complain. I'm not into the whole "my party, right or wrong" thing. That's what the cons do. I'm not seeing much daylight between the two anymore, in policy or tolerance of criticism...but we're not allowed to say that either. That's fine. I don't need this place...and the attitudes here, those representative of the administration's, have finally convinced me the national Democratic Party doesn't need me either.

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Response to magellan (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:15 AM

20. Because our Dem "leaders" lack a spine starting from the top down.

 

But that's what happens with a "lead from behind" party.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:38 AM

28. Yes. It's hard enough fighting the cons

It's utterly disheartening to feel that the Dems would rather we didn't.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:41 AM

6. Rand Paul, Paul Ryan.

Why do assholes have such confusing names?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

7. The drone thing is just another feel-good issue for upper middle class...

 

Armchair activists to drone on about.

Meanwhile, us Democrats living in poverty are concerned about issues that matter to us.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:50 AM

8. Homerun!

 

I will start using this in my conversations. I have been absolutely astonished at the hate thrown at Rand Paul for standing up against Drone killings and their questionable legality. The democratic leadership has failed at taking the right position on this issue and I am glad somebody stepped up and is taking a stand.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:52 AM

9. Rand Paul: "Attack On Israel Will Be Treated As An Attack On US"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:53 AM

10. So am i but that doesn't make me a an Ayn Rand Libertarian.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:00 AM

15. me too. being anti-war doesn't make me anything but a pacifist : )

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:54 AM

11. Now that I know HE'S against War in Iran, I have decided to switch position.

I am now solidly FOR war in Iran.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:55 AM

12. Rand Paul is against war with Iran because it would be expensive...

Fuck Rand Paul.

Sid

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:55 AM

13. Rand Paul thinks that war with Iran is a states' rights issue.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:00 AM

14. I'm against war with Iran too.

War is bad for children and other living things.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:07 AM

17. Me too... War is unsafe....

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:09 AM

18. +1

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:11 AM

19. Considering the complexity of American culture, why must we get excited over intersection

of a few shared positions between extreme Libertarianism and mainstream Progressive belief?

There is nothing really surprising or wrong with this.

Some beliefs are so widespread in American culture that there is a statistical certainty of shared belief between opponents.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:23 AM

24. Well said

 

This is nothing new at all. There has always been overlap between libertarians and progressives, particularly in regards to civil liberties and foreign wars. This matters because these aren't minor issues on the left. They are major aspects of progressive identities.

I don't see why this has to be a big deal. So Rand opposes drones and foreign wars . . . well, we already knew that, didn't we? The agreement on these issues has always been there - the question seems to be whether or not it's appropriate to acknowledge this and/or work with libertarians moving forward.

Some say yes, some say no. My opinion is that politics is always about wheeling and dealing and you can't always choose your dance partner.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:26 AM

25. Indeed.

I cannot believe the black and white thinking emanating from some DU folks this week.
well, not this week, actually quite often.
Then the same folks wonde why the country is so polarized.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:16 AM

21. Um...dude...this is getting weird.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:19 AM

22. So am I - Fuck Rand Paul!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:19 AM

23. rand paul the broken clock libertarian...

just because I am also against a war with Iran, doesn't mean for one second I'm on his side.

the Venn diagram of libertarians and Progressives overlap on the issue of war and not getting involved in them, beyond that, mr paul is a crazy as a shithouse rat.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:33 AM

27. I think some sarcasm meter batteries need changing... n/t

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