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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:20 AM

Seth MacFarlane criticized by female California lawmakers

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/political/la-me-pc-california-women-oscars-20130226,0,3817161.story


The Banality of Seth MacFarlane's Sexism and Racism at the Oscars
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/02/the-banality-of-seth-macfarlanes-sexism-and-racism-at-the-oscars/273460/



Oscars 2013: How Seth MacFarlane's sexist jokes hurt women
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-oscars-2013-macfarlane-sexist-jokes-hurt-women-20130225,0,1140677.story


9 Sexist Things That Happened At The Oscars
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hillaryreinsberg/sexist-things-at-the-oscars


Seth MacFarlane and the Oscars’ Hostile, Ugly, Sexist Night
Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/02/seth-macfarlane-and-the-oscars-hostile-ugly-sexist-night.html#ixzz2M5nkGe5m


Yes, Seth MacFarlane's Oscar Jokes Were Sexist, And Yes It Matters - See more at: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Yes-Seth-MacFarlane-Oscar-Jokes-Were-Sexist-Yes-It-Matters-35994.html#sthash.JmJDQ6lG.dpuf


Seth MacFarlane’s sexist Oscar flop.
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/poplife/2013/02/25/seth-macfarlanes-sexist-oscar-flop/


Seth MacFarlane's Sexist Jokes, Transcribed
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/02/all-seth-macfarlanes-sexist-jokes-transcribed.html


Seth MacFarlane's Oscars opener was a great, steaming misogynist turd
http://www.newstatesman.com/glosswitch/2013/02/postmodern-irony-and-appreciation-tits


Between Seth MacFarlane and the Onion, Oscars night was a festival of misogyny
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/26/seth-macfarlane-onion-oscars-misogyny

None of these men and women could possibly have a point. The women are all think skinned, humorless whiners, filled with 'poutrage' who can't let go. The men are clearly under the thumbs of harridans; feminazis. They're all pathetic and they don't get that MacFarlane was being subversive and post-ironic. Or something.

And no, I won't let it go. Much of the reaction here at DU has been an approximation of the above paragraph. That reflects a sexism problem here on DU- much as that will be vehemently denied.





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Reply Seth MacFarlane criticized by female California lawmakers (Original post)
cali Feb 2013 OP
boston bean Feb 2013 #1
lunatica Feb 2013 #5
boston bean Feb 2013 #22
redqueen Feb 2013 #58
boston bean Feb 2013 #60
theKed Feb 2013 #2
lunatica Feb 2013 #7
theKed Feb 2013 #8
lunatica Feb 2013 #9
chervilant Feb 2013 #12
theKed Feb 2013 #13
lunatica Feb 2013 #14
theKed Feb 2013 #15
Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #36
lunatica Feb 2013 #37
Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #41
eShirl Feb 2013 #3
djean111 Feb 2013 #11
boston bean Feb 2013 #33
eShirl Feb 2013 #46
bettyellen Feb 2013 #49
reformist2 Feb 2013 #4
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #6
Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #16
Raine Feb 2013 #77
chervilant Feb 2013 #10
redqueen Feb 2013 #59
chervilant Feb 2013 #68
stonecutter357 Feb 2013 #17
Dorian Gray Feb 2013 #18
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #24
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #19
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #20
boston bean Feb 2013 #21
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #30
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #43
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
reflection Feb 2013 #25
eShirl Feb 2013 #47
valerief Feb 2013 #26
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leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #45
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thesquanderer Feb 2013 #65
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #27
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valerief Feb 2013 #32
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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:32 AM

1. I was brow beat by a male on DU

because I made a post in meta (how dare I) about a jury I served on where the man said his wife forgot she was raped when asked in a phone survey. And he put the word raped in quotation marks. The jury decided to leave it. In meta I provided the offending post that was alerted on, and the jury results, stating that I was on the wrong side of a jury again, but that I didn't think I was wrong.

Of course he directed all his venom at me for a post that another male poster made in the comments. His attack on me was aggressive and beyond the pale. It was accusatory and false.

Yet, you will see appreciation threads of him on DU, because he calls others he disagrees with liars. And he thinks they are the bullies.

I agree, there is a huge sexism issue on DU. Thanks for speaking up. I hope you don't end up getting a reputation of being an outraged, rabid dog, witch hunter for making this post, like some have foisted upon others who dare to broach the subject.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:13 AM

5. If you object and you're a woman

you're just dismissed as overreacting and thin skinned. There are plenty of people who think women should shut up and allow people (meaning men) to enjoy their freedom of speech.

Someone on DU said that the blame lies with the producers and the actresses, as if somehow someone had to be blamed for showing "boobs" in movies. And if the actresses Seth named had said anything they would have been piled on for being femminazis or bad sports or just wanting attention.

At least I'm glad women in the media and women like us are lashing out at this crap. I remember very well when misogyny as taken for granted and reacted to as if it was a normal thing.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:16 AM

22. A lot of this discussion happens in meta.

You have to be pretty tough skinned to take it. But I would suggest that those who feel like you, make an appearance in there and let your feelings be known.

Out here in GD, you get the same issue, but on a much smaller scale. And meta is the place where we get to discuss community standards.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:32 AM

58. Yes, going by meta you'd think the use of the p word as an insult wasn't at all sexist or misogynist

When I asked people on GD, the majority of opinions were the opposite.

Strange place.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:54 AM

60. Or bringing a post to the attention to others in Meta that had rape

in quotes, was such an offense! I was such a bully!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking to control everyone and everything!!!!

And that is my MO. Yep, NOT.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:57 AM

2. ...

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Response to theKed (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:15 AM

7. Enjoy yourself

It's really so much fun to watch women fighting for respect isn't it.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:17 AM

8. Oh, get over yourself.

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Response to theKed (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:18 AM

9. No

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:21 AM

12. There's yet another for my

IL...

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:22 AM

13. Suit yourself

But leave me out of it.

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Response to theKed (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:27 AM

14. Misogynist much?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:31 AM

15. Nope, not even for a second

I'm just waiting on the shitstorm hurricane to blow through here...which you seem intent on pointing at me.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:17 AM

36. wow

Not only do you put words in another's DU'ers mouth, you then use the invented words to call him a misogynist.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:20 AM

37. You're assuming the poster is a he aren't you?

I wonder why.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:00 AM

41. It really does not matter if the poster is male or female

in this case. In short, you are calling another DU'er a misogynist based on nothing but your own invention.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:06 AM

3. IMHO he actually was being subversive, but I totally get how/why people got offended.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:21 AM

11. Thank you. That's how I saw it, too.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:52 AM

33. Asking honestly. I'm not sure what you mean.

Subversive how?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:18 AM

46. presenting an over-the-top reflection of the industry at its yearly self-congratulation ceremony

Last edited Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

it was pretty ugly, wasn't it?

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Response to eShirl (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:24 AM

49. but it wasn't so over the top, I don't know how anyone could call that edgy....

Was there anything new or interesting in it? It was pretty much stuff that racists and misogynsts already do say and think. Maybe just because it seemed mean spirited- the Loser song was just stupid. He needs a better writing team- actual clever lyrics- to pull it off.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:09 AM

4. I wasn't offended, to me it was his usual unfunny idea of humor. He's not that good.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:13 AM

6. I'm so glad I make it my policy

to do other things on oscar night... seems this year, they let the philistines loose.

Oscar has long outlived its purpose.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:50 AM

16. Agreed

The best part of Oscar night, is switching to another channel or turning the TV off. Something which I believe we all can do should we choose to do so.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:56 PM

77. Me too, I NEVER watch. nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:19 AM

10. The ugliness of sexism ...

Sexism and misogyny are ubiquitous, inculcated into each child's brain from a very early age:

"Boys are ____________." (you fill in the blank: bigger, stronger, faster, better in math, better in science, just plain better. )

"Boys will be boys."

"You { throw, catch, run, cry} like a girl!"

Humans of both genders spend a lifetime coming to terms with this institutionalized wound--the hierarchy of the sexes--assigning power, privilege, worth and esteem on the basis of our genitalia.

And, yes, I too have addressed sexism and misogyny on DU, only to have several DUers blast me for being too "shrill, sensitive, picky" -- or just plain wrong.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:36 AM

59. I will never forget the time I complained about the term 'throws like a girl'.

I was raked over the coals and ended up watering down my expectations regarding how sexism and misogyny should be treated by liberals.

Thankfully I snapped out of it.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #59)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:00 PM

68. After repeated attacks for "over-reacting,"

I left DU for a while.

Then, I began noticing that sarcasm, derision and incivility have become the rule rather than the exception.

Now, I've begun addressing sexism, misogyny, racism -- and any other disrespectful or delimiting 'ism' -- whenever possible.

Plus, I've learned to avoid being snarky myself. (That's been an essential growth spurt for me
)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:57 AM

17. K&R

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:59 AM

18. You know

I turned him off. Not because I was offended. But I was embarrassed for him (thought he was bombing), and I just didn't find him funny. I did watch the entire opening monologue. Just not funny. Which is worse for a comedian than offending.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:21 AM

24. The boob song was about the only funny thing about his performance.

 

And I heard a few liberal talk radio hosts, both male and female talk about how funny that bit was.

So I am not cutting up my liberal card for laughing.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:01 AM

19. MacFarlane is lame as hell.

Misogynist? Maybe, but I tuned him out way early.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:03 AM

20. at first i thought no big deal but after some time i think i have changed my mind

 

i think it, for me, it jumped the shark with the kate winslet section, that seemed a tad shaming. i think it was in bad taste to point this out in front of everyone on national tv.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:08 AM

21. To me it was relegating them to a set of boobs.

on a night when people are awarded oscars for their performances, for their talents, and to be remembered in history for that. Not their boobs.

That is where it went wrong in my book.

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:35 AM

30. what was the kate winslet section? I missed that

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:09 AM

43. at the end he, after mentioning all the women who were topless and the movies they were topless in,

 

he gets to kate winslet and he mentions every movie she was in and finishes with the line "and the movie she's making now" that seemed to move to the point of shaming. i dont want women who bare their breasts to be made (or attempted to be made) ashamed of doing so. the baring was in the course of doing her job, this is how they make a living and i think it was kind of taste-less to throw it into a public venue such as that. it's not like they took topless photos of themselves and posted it on twitter

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:19 AM

23. When "lawmakers" become television critics, we're in for a world of hurt. nt

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:23 AM

25. This whole thing reminds me of Imus at the WH Correspondents Dinner.

You have to figure that the folks who put it together knew what they were getting. So it's either a "WTF were they thinking" conclusion or a "this is exactly the publicity they wanted" conclusion, right?

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Response to reflection (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:20 AM

47. lol, I was thinking Colbert in 2006

god, that was classic

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:27 AM

26. I love Seth. I just wish he had a johnson song for the guys.

Oh, yeah, Hollywood is TERRIFIED of johnsons.

(Why the euphemism? Because boob is a euphemism and I didn't want to discriminate.)

Loved his singing and dancing and game show announcer voice.

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Response to valerief (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:33 AM

29. Yes, men don't have to show it to get a role. He is a total anomaly

singing and tap dancing -- so amazingly old school -- and then crude and irreverent humor on the other hand.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:15 AM

45. imo .. most men have no problem what so ever of showing it to anyone.

 

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:23 PM

75. may be. but you rarely see it in film

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Response to valerief (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:05 PM

65. Does this song help?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:28 AM

27. Seems to me like these award shows have a choice to make.

I'm also thinking of Ricky Gervais's hosting of the Golden Globes here.

Either these shows are to respectfully honor people who have excelled at their craft, or they are to be celebrity roasts that would make Dean Martin proud.

Hollywood, please decide.

I found the whole boobs number -- especially with the inclusion of the LA Gay Men's Choir -- insulting and demeaning.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:38 AM

31. think part of the problem with the Oscars is that they give one important award out

at the start and then three hours later the rest. The networks have to get someone to carry the load
in the middle so people won't turn the dial. Maybe they should fill it with music instead of comedy. Have
good singers sing songs from movies in between awards for things most people don't care about

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:21 AM

48. I think the Tonys are the gold standard for awards shows.

And I think the Oscars need to give Neil Patrick Harris a shot, if Billy Crystal won't come back, and take a look at how the Tonys formats its show. Yes, different genres, but I think one could learn from the other.

Yeah, I think it does say something about the attention span that the producers think they have to sink to crass humor to keep people tuned in.

It used to be that they did make production numbers out of the Best Song nominees. The reaction to Shirley Bassey singing "Goldfinger" (OMG) should be a clue that people would be receptive to that.



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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:41 AM

91. I have a feeling

that NPH singing "Not Just for Gays Anymore" at the Oscars would melt the DU servers into a sea of seething outrage.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:44 AM

32. Why was the gay choir insulting and demeaning? There's plenty of buzz

(true or not) that Seth is gay and I think the joke he'd be joining the choir in 2015 was just playing to that buzz.

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Response to valerief (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:15 AM

44. It just didn't sit right with me.

Your context sheds some light on it, but my initial impression was that the women's boobs were just so attractive that even gay men would take notice. It was just too sexual and sexist for me.

But as I said, I wasn't aware of the buzz.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:32 PM

67. Nah, the bit was making a mockery of Hollywood standards.

Women actors have to show their boobs. To be honest, I was shocked to see some of the named actors not laughing. I mean, it's not like their damn boobs are art or anything.

All his Family Guy stuff is satire, too.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:47 PM

98. In my opinion

I think Dean Martin would be horrified at what passes for a celebrity roast today. At least his were classy.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:31 AM

28. It's certainly the last time he will host, for sure. And, I read he doesn't give a shit

either and doesn't want to do it again. He has a very strange mentality of pushing the envelope to the nth degree...and it doesn't appear to be in a quest for humor...but more a quest to shock people.

Most of the time, he falls flat, sometimes his irreverence is funny to me (Family Guy..when the dog was riding in the car hanging his head out the window smoking a cigarette)

I do think people are mixing two issues with the boob song though. On one level, it was just plainly not funny. On another level, it calls to light the sad reality that actresses who don't want to disrobe may feel that they have to do this to get roles. Maybe if they banded together and all agreed not to, things might be different. You have to admit, if you never agreed to do it, you wouldn't have been called out by Seth.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:15 AM

35. Why is he calling out the labor and not the management then?

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:57 AM

39. guess he didn't want to totally trash the entire process of making movies and performing

in them. Not really appropriate for an awards show. It's hard to stop an industry from making money and making movies that
they think people will like. Short of censorship...which even the actors are soundly against. As for the boob thing...don't think his intent was to trash them..think it was what he thought was a silly song.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:07 AM

53. But it's OK to shame boob-showing actresses, when it wasn't their idea to show them, but the boss's?

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:20 PM

74. guess we don't know that for a fact, but I thought think he thought he was shaming them

just his stupid brand of not-funny humor

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:44 AM

50. I think there's also an element to the boob thing about how guys are both into seeing it yet

hostile and shaming to women who are free enough to do it.
I wonder if this is such a new concept to men that there's an element of surprise to it?
I really don't see any man taking that angle, or owning up to the hostility. For me, it's just the same old shit. Aside from the initial "Oh no, he didn't" there's nothing new there.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:13 AM

34. Thank you and K&R. You know, I can't count the number of movies

 

I've seen where all of a sudden an actress is totally gratuitously showing her breasts and when it really was obvious that her toplessness had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story and everything to with reducing her and the gender she represents to being nothing more valuable than a pair of mammary glands.

The fact that so many actresses either see nothing wrong with this (having been brainwashed into repeating the mindless rationalization that it's OK to get naked in front of the camera when the story calls for it -- please, so why is it so very seldom "necessary" to show a man from the front with his shorts off?), or compelled to accept it in order to have a movie career, says how very little and how very seldom women are valued by Hollywood for anything more than their body parts.

That's why I think no one involved in creating the "we see your boobs" number even thought anything of the hostility and ridicule inherent to it. It does surprise me that it was so blatant, since of course Hollywood is all about pretending boob shots are simply necessary artistic expression, but I chalk that up to MacFarlane's ego.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:50 PM

76. Have you read about which movies some of those "boobs" were gleaned from?

“We Saw Your Boobs” celebrates rape on film

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/26/we_saw_your_boobs_is_a_celebration_of_rape_on_film/

Seth MacFarlane has made millions off being an immature man-child. In fact, it was the success of his particular brand of gross-out offensive humor (served with a smile, of course) that got him the Oscar gig in the first place.

So it came as little surprise, then, when base misogyny and racism dominated MacFarlane’s performance on Sunday. And while the musical opener “We Saw Your Boobs” has been called immature (true) and sexist (also true) — it wasn’t just a harmless roundup of spicy movie scenes. Four of the films MacFarlane crooned about featured nudity during or immediately following violent depictions of rape and sexual assault, stripped of their context and played for laughs. Scarlett Johansson found herself on the list because of a real-life violation: Her nude photos were stolen from her phone and leaked online.

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Response to countryjake (Reply #76)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:44 PM

78. Hadn't seen that... thanks. Damn, MacFarlane's an even bigger POS than I thought.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:24 AM

38. Dumb argument.

Tens of thousands of articles that say Obama was not born in the US. Are you saying they have a point?

And where on DU are men saying women are "thin skinned, humorless whiners, filled with 'poutrage'"? If you're going to make an argument, either show us or at least be honest.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:59 AM

40. Why are you bothering withthis matter?

Every single thread on the oscar mess has condescending comments that minimize a woman's right to be treated as an equal citizen.

I posted an opinion piece (not my writing) yesterday and there were many more like it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022430044#post12

All you have to do is read some of the comments to these ( cali has one from yesterday too ). Some posters comment without considering the plights women are still facing today, including pay equality and reproductive rights. Yes, some of us get angry when we see sexism portrayed. Whether it was meant to be funny or not, some of us find it offensive.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:02 AM

42. Go to meta

There are whole threads devoted to making fun of female DUers and our supposed OUTRAGE and lack of humor and thin skin.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:08 AM

54. fuck. really? really? You're comparing these articles from these writers

and these sources with birther crap? How pathetic. That's beyond dumb. And go read some of the threads.

Damn, I truly do hate, er, lack of critical thinking, dear.

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Response to cali (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:58 AM

61. Ha! You make me laugh. n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:58 AM

51. Thank you, cali.

Much of the reaction here at DU has been an approximation of the above paragraph. That reflects a sexism problem here on DU- much as that will be vehemently denied.


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Response to redqueen (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:02 AM

52. I know we don't always agree, but on this, thank you for having my back

and thank you for speaking out here on this topic, as you so often do.

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Response to cali (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:27 AM

56. I'm sorry you're getting so many hateful, ugly comments.

Comes with the territory, I'm afraid.

Nice job on this OP. It definitely shows this isn't some matter of a few women not getting a joke.

It shows its a matter of a society that is largely blind to misogyny.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:51 PM

64. what gets me is the blind obtuseness and the stupid deflection

as if this is about a joke about breasts.

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:07 PM

66. It is an extremely common tactic.

As predictable as sunrise.

e.g. Pretending that anyone objecting to a stripper giving a lapdance to a 14 year old simply has a problem with nudity.

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:49 PM

72. Ugh! I know.

They purposely do not want to get it.

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Response to cali (Reply #64)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:50 PM

99. I ageee. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

I simply do not get why other people can't understand why this is so offensive.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:30 AM

57. I get the lawmakers' point

but for the sake of consistency, don't they have to condemn *everyone*? Howard Stern, Tom Leykis, the low-rent porn industry, advertising firms, etc.?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:52 PM

81. From what I read their complaint is specific to the Oscar ceremony. Don't see why that obligates

 

them to go searching for sexism in every other facet of the entertainment industry.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #81)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:18 AM

87. Had they ever made any major complaints about any other event?

If not, then why?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:17 PM

62. We have so many homeless here in California. In my county which is mostly rural and underpopulated,

we have enough homeless children to fill an elementary school. And speaking of our schools, they have been suffering for a long time from underfunding because our tax laws allow very rich people from other countries (Saudi Oil Sheiks) and other states (Romney, McCain, Oprah) to own property and live here without paying the property taxes on their mansions for the privilege.

Our movie industry keeps a lot of people employed at good union jobs. I appreciate the outrage, but I wish our lawmakers would address those concerns as well as those of the women here who are in dire poverty and in need of every program that probably are going to be cut because of the sequester. Our movie industry has always been patriarchal, yet it has enabled many women to make outrageous amounts of money because they are prettier than the average woman. The Oscars are awards to acknowledge the artistic achievement of the people in the industry who entertain the world. There has been controversy in the past because of the hosts. (I'm remembering the flap when Whoopie Goldberg, hosted.) Bob Hope, who seemed to offend no one except the politicians he made fun of is dead.

Really, our lawmakers need to get to work to take care of the very real problems, the women of this state face. I hope in the future they don't televise the Oscars. It's an industry thing anyway. They should keep it that way because of this shit storm. Back in the forties, the Oscars were a dinner party thrown in the Coconut Grove at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles and the awards were given out then. The next day people read about it in the newspapers and maybe Vanity Fair covered it. Done!

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Response to Cleita (Reply #62)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:02 PM

71. Eloquently put

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:23 PM

63. Instead of attacking an awards show host

maybe these "lawmakers" might want to concentrate on making laws so that women make equal pay to men for equal work. Maybe some legislation along the lines of a woman's rights to her own body would be a good thing to work on. How about anything that focuses on fixing the actual problems instead of complaining and pointing the finger at a performer who cannot do anything but point out what's wrong. At least Seth gives money to liberal causes and supports our candidates. They take his money with one hand and slap him down with the other. Use the momentum to get something done instead of playing the politics of condemnation without action.

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Response to VenusRising (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:00 PM

70. Agreed! (no text)

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Response to VenusRising (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:45 PM

79. Giving money doesn't and shouldn't exempt you from being slapped.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:21 PM

83. He doesn't just give money.

He has spoken out for progressive issues, as well. He can only draw attention to things. It is up to the lawmakers to do the work. Instead of bitching about it, they should get to work making things better.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:56 PM

69. MacFarlane delivered exactly as everyone expected him to

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:50 PM

73. But does that make it right? nt

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:15 PM

94. People who do not like his type of humor should not have tuned in

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:31 PM

95. So it's the viewers fault that he offended them because they watched?

That makes no sense whatsoever. That's like saying a child is to blame for being beaten because they stood in front of their abuser.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:46 PM

80. Whom do you mean by "everyone"? I had barely ever heard of this asshole.

 

I couldn't have picked him out of a lineup, much less knew what his shtick was.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:07 PM

82. I hear they pick the Oscars host at random out of the phone book.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #82)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:43 AM

84. Too bad they didn't this time.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:04 AM

85. Nobody has a sense of humor anymore

I thought it was funny.
Boobs are wonderful beautiful things and he wasn't trashing them for it, he was sort of celebrating it.
And if boobs are exposed,I'm looking!
On that note: Feel free to show me Boobs

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #85)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:26 PM

92. Did you read any of the linked articles?

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Response to redqueen (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:48 PM

93. No

I'll check them later.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:36 AM

86. Have these people even seen anything MacFarlane has done outside of the Academy Awards?

What you saw at the Oscars is pretty much the norm for him humor-wise and not even close to being the most shocking and offensive thing he has ever done. His shows are chock-full of borderline misogynistic jokes about how ugly some female celebrities are and that's not even scratching the surface. One episode of "Family Guy" from a few years ago featured a scene of Quagmire (a womanizing supporting character) RAPING Marge Simpson, has her actually ENJOY IT, and then has him MURDER the entire Simpson family after Homer finds them in bed together later on. Reportedly, Matt Groening was furious and it almost ended his friendship with MacFarlane.

I'm not a fan of him or his shows but my point is that he's been doing this schtick for years so where were all the complainers before?

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:22 AM

88. i don't watch that shit, so i couldn't complain :shrug: n/t

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:31 AM

89. i rarely wtch tv. i was flipping thru the channel and paused on it. didnt even know what it was.

a kid on a swing. a woman breast feeding. the kid sees the boob. flies thru the air, lands on the lap kicking the baby into a trash can and starts sucking. the mom takes kid away and i forget what teh kid was yelling out, but another offensive.

i couldnt believe the shit. trash. then we wonder why everyone is demanding that we all live in their stinky trash. it is no longer a choice. it is being demanded we all wallow in the gutters.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:35 AM

90. "a great, steaming misogynist turd"

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:36 PM

96. That article on the "Sexiest Things that Happened at the Oscars" was a disappointment.

None of it seems all that sexy to me.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:48 PM

97. Maybe the reaction on DU has to do with

not that we're mouth breathing sexist, but that most of us aren't so tightly wound that a boob joke is the end of the world.

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