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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

Would you like to see Elizabeth Warren run for President in 2016?


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Reply Would you like to see Elizabeth Warren run for President in 2016? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #1
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #3
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #6
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #7
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #15
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #18
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #19
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #20
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #21
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #22
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #25
tblue Feb 2013 #31
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #33
cali Feb 2013 #45
graham4anything Feb 2013 #54
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #52
elleng Feb 2013 #2
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #4
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #43
Whisp Feb 2013 #5
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #8
longship Feb 2013 #9
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #10
Jennicut Feb 2013 #11
Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #32
brooklynite Feb 2013 #12
graham4anything Feb 2013 #13
JI7 Feb 2013 #14
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #16
MrSlayer Feb 2013 #17
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #23
winter is coming Feb 2013 #24
Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #26
Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #27
treestar Feb 2013 #55
MADem Feb 2013 #28
Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #29
dkf Feb 2013 #30
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #34
dkf Feb 2013 #39
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #49
DevonRex Feb 2013 #35
Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #36
Cleita Feb 2013 #37
CTyankee Feb 2013 #38
No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #40
tammywammy Feb 2013 #41
RudynJack Feb 2013 #42
cali Feb 2013 #44
davidpdx Feb 2013 #46
cali Feb 2013 #47
davidpdx Feb 2013 #48
MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #56
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #50
Mz Pip Feb 2013 #51
treestar Feb 2013 #53

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:56 PM

1. I voted Other.

It will be too soon. She needs to have a very successful Senate career for a while, and then run.

Of course, if she decides to run in 2016, I will support her.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

3. Like Obama did? nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:58 PM

6. Obama was not the barn-burning Senator that Ms. Warren is.

She can do (and is doing) much good work in the Senate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:02 PM

7. Obama was an Illinois State Senator for EIGHT YEARS before becoming a U.S. Senator.


Warren has been elected to office ONLY once so far.

It is too soon for her to run for the office of the presidency.

We don't even know Warren's stance on most issues, other than financial ones.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:16 AM

15. He was a constitutional law professor too,

but didn't get a basic grasp of the whole "due process" thing.

In any case, how does being in a state legislature prepare one for the Presidency?

And which issues are Warren's views not known?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:24 AM

18. Regarding Warren there are MANY issues including her views re foreign policy we know nothing about

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:26 AM

19. Please name a major issue on which her views are not known.

Thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:29 AM

20. I gave you a link. Her record is thin and many issues there she has never stated her position on.


The LINK is in my previous comment.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:30 AM

21. Yes, that's a link. Can you name one? nt.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:33 AM

22. Yes, I can, more than one actually. If you click on the link you will see quite a few of them :)


I do not have time to 'play the game' right now



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:43 AM

25. That page is neither comprehensive nor authoritative.

I'm pretty sure that she's sounded off on all major topics.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:10 AM

31. Hi Manny!



I'd be happy to support Elizabeth Warren for president. If she disappoints us before then, then I may just change my mind.

I think it's gonna be Jeb on the other ticket. He will be a formidable opponent because he's got that well-oiled machine and the world's most powerful family backing him up.

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Response to tblue (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:12 AM

33. Warren's got a formidable weapon, too:

The plain truth.

Devastating, in the right hands.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:04 AM

45. Adulation for politicians is not healthy.l

Hey, I like Bernie a lot, but I know he's not perfect. You have put Warren on a ridiculously high pedestal.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:13 AM

54. Eliz.Warren said EVERYTHING is on the table with Iran. EVERYTHING means EVERYTHING

 

and she said it often during her campaign.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:07 AM

52. I agree with you. Although I think she would be a good president. She needs to build

 

up her creds.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:56 PM

2. No; too soon.

DO want to see her as POTUS.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

4. She has the right and a base of support to run, but i am with Hillary.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:57 AM

43. Both of them are probably too old to run in 2016.

Warren was born in 1949.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren

Hillary Clinton was born in 1947.

In four years -- they will both be in their late 60s, In 12 years, even older.

They don't seem old now, but that would be a problem looking into the future.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

5. Yes.

yes yes yes

I hope there are other good contenders as well. A race between fine opponents would be awesome.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:05 PM

8. I like her a lot but feel she'd need a stong VP at her side. But YES, I'd vote for her! n/t

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:07 PM

9. Nope. We need her in the Senate. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:10 PM

10. Ya know, why the fuck not? It's not like experience is really an issue, and at least

 

she has the kind of deep understanding of how this Ponzi Scheme works, that she could, and might use the Presidential megaphone to frame and bring this scam into focus.

Besides, Grayson is the only other politico I see in a blue jersey that I want within a mile of the Presidency right now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:14 PM

11. Sometimes you are more powerful as a Senator.

Depends on if you can make things happen. Teddy Kennedy never became President but his impact was huge. And Mass would lose another great Senator. I had to put up with Lieberman in CT for years.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:11 AM

32. I guess some lawn in Connecticut has its gnome back now.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:24 PM

12. Depends- do you want her to ruin her chances?

The odds she'd win are low; she'd look overly ambitious running only two years into her term, and her chances of running again when she's more seasoned and better known would be damaged.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:27 PM

13. I want her to be in the perfect job she is in.Why would you want someone to replace her?

 

As noone did the job that she can do, why are some so quick to want her to leave that job?

It makes no sense.

When Hillary will be President and Warren can be the top senator, working together.

Because Warren has the gravitas as Senior Senator to do the job she is doing.

But she would need to campaign for 3 years meaning she can't do the job at hand.

So someone else would do her job, most likely the same people that the people who love Warren the most, did not like doing that job they did.

I don't know the age group, however, I come from the time when strong senators were a great job to aspire to.

Warren, should she want to serve til she is in her 80s, can serve 3 or possibly 4 terms.

And as Warren is part of Team Obama (to use a kiddies phrase), and Hillary is part of the same team, Warren won't run against Hillary.

Any more so then Janet Napolitano(who has a much bigger resume than Warren has, and who wanted to run for higher office at some point while being Gov.), would run against Hillary (or any of the others).

So I want her to be the great Senator she appears to be.

On the level of Ted Kennedy and LBJ. Perhaps she can be the greatest woman Senator of all time.

So my vote is YES to 3 or 4 terms as Senator(now Senior Senator from Mass.) and no to chucking the seat and the work and running for higher office.

Though I of course would enthusiastically vote for Warren were she on the ticket,
or a Clinton/Warren ticket. (there are already bumper stickers and buttons saying just that).

But Senate is the #1 best area for getting real change done for Elizabeth Warren, working
side by side with President Clinton.
After all, they already ARE on the same team.

Can't understand why some think they are opponents, when they are not.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:27 PM

14. i think 2016 is too early, she would have to start campaigning early

and wont be able to do much in the Senate. she would have to start campaigning in 2014 by latest.

it was ok for Obama because his 2004 Speech gave him such huge support which allowed him to start so early.

but elizabeth warren wouldn't have that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:20 AM

16. Not yet. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:22 AM

17. No, I'd like her to do her job and smack the bankers.

 

She might be able to do some small good in her present position. The owners will never let her be President.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:34 AM

23. She appears to be better than the usual crop of 3rd Way candidates we get stuck with.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:38 AM

24. I'd love to see her run someday, but I think 2016 might be too early.

She'd make a fine President, but if she'd rather serve in the senate for a bajillion years, I'd be good with that, too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:50 AM

26. I want her to be a bulldog in the senate for a bit. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:55 AM

27. This is a false choice.

This ongoing self dialog we've been having about who's running or who should we get to run in 2016, is useless. Elizabeth Warren's election to the senate is a new era of democratic electoral responsibility. No longer can we afford to wait for an executive savior. Its time to change the game from the inside out...

Elizabeth Warren on the Senate Banking Committee is just the beginning. Senator Warren needs to stay in the Senate and we need to elect her a league of colleagues to assist her.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:14 AM

55. Executive Savior

Good phrasing. That is how too many DUers look at the Presidency. They want someone "strong" enough to bend even an opposing Congress to their will. As if such a person wouldn't be another Stalin.

It gets really tiring. There is at least one "Elizabeth Warren is our savior of 2016" post per day, and it's only 2013. There's a Congressional election in 2014 and with a good Congress, Obama could sign more progressive laws. But that gets ignored in favor of who is going to be our Great Savior in 2016, together with complete unconcern about the 2016 Congress as well.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:56 AM

28. Give her a chance to get settled. I think she might have a tough time if she tries to run.

The Republicans will not appreciate that she used to be a Republican and left the fold, and the Democrats who discover that she used to be a Republican and have a problem with her willingness to compromise and cooperate might not like her for that reason, either.

I think she's shaping up to be a fine Senator, but let's give her a moment--this is, after all, her first foray into elective politics, and her time in the Senate is still counted in WEEKS.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:04 AM

29. If Elizabeth Warren WANTS to run for president in 2016, then go kick some ass Ma'am....

If Hillary runs, Warren won't. Even if Hillary doesn't, Elizabeth probably won't but if she does she certainly has my vote. I voted "other"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:05 AM

30. Over Hillary. Nope.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:13 AM

34. What is it about Hillary that makes you feel this way? nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:52 AM

39. Hillary has seen it all and she knows how to play it.

 

When it was Hillary vs Obama i thought she was too hawkish, but I don't see how Obama has been so much better on war than I expected from Hillary.

So I am now ready to support her.

Unless Howard Dean runs. He is always my top choice

But both Hillary and Howard Dean are cognizant of the risks of debt. I don't have the feeling Elizabeth Warren takes it seriously.

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Response to dkf (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 07:54 AM

49. agree 100%

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:15 AM

35. As it stands now, heck yes.

OTOH if she decides to be a damned fine Senator for life, I'd be so proud of her. She has it in her to be great for a lifetime. And I fully recognize the limitations of the presidency. Those limitations added to a 4-year or 8-year term if lucky, can take so much of the potential away. How many times do we have to see it before we accept it?

But, as it stands now, if she decided to run I'd be happy about it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:33 AM

36. Sure, why not?

I'm not sure if she'll get far as someone fairly new on the scene, but I think she can at least bring up some important issues on the table that aren't normally discussed.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:36 AM

37. Yes. I would prefer her to Hillary. Hillary is a little too conservative for

my liking.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:40 AM

38. I voted yes but this is really premature. She is just really starting her role in official public

life and her own needs and life plans could change. I think she is better able to fight her fights after that experience with the consumer office she midwifed into existence and the poltical storm that ensued. But you never know what twists and turns life turns out to take.

Right now, the smart money is on Hillary, so let's all simmer down and see what happens. I have great expectations for Elizabeth, along with heartfelt best wishes for her success.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:57 AM

40. It takes time to develop support among colleagues

Also, she would likely be too polarizing to win over the middle, i.e., independents.
I like her style and think she'll make a fine Senator.
She knows how to think on her feet, and is articulate.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:06 AM

41. Being a Senator is very beneficial to her.

I think she is able to do much more as a Senator than President. I don't necessarily want to see her run in 2016, because I think she'll be a very powerful and influential Senator. Though of course I'd support her if she did choose to run for President.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:19 AM

42. No

She's run one (statewide) campaign in her life, and she's been in the Senate less than two months.

While she's a hero on the left, I guess her national name-recognition is still low.

I think it's way to soon for her to run for President.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:02 AM

44. Doesn't really matter one way or another. Odds are, she won't. She ain't stupid.

There is no indication in her history that she has the political chops necessary to successfully do so. She has run exactly one campaign and she had her struggles with that. The inevitable but Obama had no more experience than she will have had, is off the mark. Obama had run for the U.S. House and had been elected to several terms in the Illinois Senate. He knew the ins and outs of running a campaign. He was also one of the most high profile dems in the country. I remember going to see him speak at UVM and the place was jammed to the rafters and spilling out on to the quad. That kind of star power is both rare and potent. As of now, Warren doesn't have it.

She might make a very good President, but it takes more than that to run and win a primary, let alone the Presidency. She would be running against people who have a much greater grasp of what it entails.

You're a little bit, uh, obsessive about your devotion to your Senator. Give her a break. And as I said, she's not stupid.

She won't run.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:20 AM

46. Contested primary, now why the hell would we do that



People are already saying clear the field for a certain candidate (who shall remain unnamed).

Me personally, I'd like to see a competitive primary. If Warren runs I'd definitely consider voting for her in a primary.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:23 AM

47. It's fine if she runs, but it's an undertaking I don't see her having the experience for

and I don't mean the experience to govern. I mean the experience to be a candidate for the Presidency. She has run in one campaign and she struggled with that.

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Response to cali (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:26 AM

48. I honestly don't think she will either

There are plenty of other people who could though.

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Response to cali (Reply #47)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:27 AM

56. Struggled?

She was running against the (then) most popular politician in MA, started way behind, then won by 8%.

If that's struggling...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:01 AM

50. I would have liked to see different choices for sure. Like No, Warren not

ready; have to see more. Or, something that support for Hillary has no link to Warren. Why should it.

I may be the only person here who is not gotten on the Warren bandwagon yet. I think it is naive to
concentrate on prosecutions...the focus should be on what laws have been broken...specifically. Bush
raped Wall Street and Banking regulations. Obama said it himself...the problem is finding laws that
they broke.

Chastising govt officials who have no power to file criminal action, to me, shows a level of unpreparedness

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:03 AM

51. I'd rather see her on the Supreme Court

I think she'd be great on the court.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 08:12 AM

53. I really don't care at this point

We need a D Congress in 2014. And 2016 for that matter. Obsession with the Presidency leads nowhere, since Congress is always involved.

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