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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:14 PM

Neighbor forced to cut down 2 huge trees to give John Olerud a better view of Seattle.

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I just happened on this story, and it really made me angry. The video at the 3rd link of Olerud presenting his case was like the icing on the cake. Money can buy just about everything.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020389113_treecuttingloxml.html?prmid=obinsource

The story is almost apologetic and way too nice. The idea that neighbors can be forced to remove trees that block someone's view is ridiculous.


Mike Siegel / The Seattle Times Kevin Wells, from The Davey Tree Expert Co., works with a crew to remove a 50-year-old Chinese pine at the center of a legal fight between its owners, Bruce and Linda Baker, of Clyde Hill, and neighbors John and Kelly Olerud, who said it blocked their view.

A chain saw growled as, limb by limb, the foliage fell from Bruce and Linda Baker’s cherished Chinese pine.

Soon the crew went after the denuded trunk until it, too, was gone.

The rare pine was removed Tuesday by order of the Clyde Hill Board of Adjustment, which said it unreasonably obstructed the view from the nearby home of retired baseball star John Olerud and his wife, Kelly.

The Bakers decided last month not to appeal the ruling. The pine and a Colorado spruce will be replaced with smaller plants at the Oleruds’ expense.


Be sure to read the comments in the right column. I am not the only one this bothered.

I also saw this about the 50 year old Chinese Pine:

http://nosonicsarena.com/wp/?p=1488

Recent stories of John Olerud’s building a house in 2006, staying at his neighbor’s house for 8 months while his home is being built, and then waiting a few years before having the Clyde Hill Board of Adjustment vote 3-2 to condemn his neighbor’s decades-old trees as obstructing Olerud’s view have highlighted the different set of rules the wealthy live by.

Picture in your mind what an “obstructed view” looks like. Now take a look at what Olerud’s obstructed view of the Seattle skyline looks like. Hey Mr Golden Glove, if a single tree 100 ft away can “obstruct the skyline” it’s not a panoramic skyline view you’re looking at but only a “feature” on the horizon. You should have built your home on the West half of the lot, where your massive back yard is, if you intended to get a better angle on Seattle… and don’t give your neighbors to the East any ideas with those privacy hedges growing taller over the years.


And there is a news video at this link. The word "entitled" came to my mind.

http://www.komonews.com/sports/Mariner-great-Olerud-hits-home-run-in-battle-over-trees-177811571.html?tab=video&c=y

CLYDE HILL, Wash. -- Dozens of people packed Clyde Hill City Hall on Wednesday to fight for two trees, and the man they were fighting happens to be a former Seattle Mariner great.

John Olerud, the former Mariners first baseman, wants his neighbor to chop down a spruce and a Chinese pine to improve his own view and up the value of his $4 million home.

The neighbor trimmed one tree, but doesn't want to part with either of them.

...."They are not exempt from the view ordinance," Olerud said of the trees. "We have also established that these trees unreasonably obstruct our view, and we respectfully submit our complaint."


The first article as well as Olerud in the video use the term "unreasonably obstructed". How can a tree that is 5 decades old be an unreasonable obstruction when it was there first?

On Edit: Adding a picture of his "obstructed view".


The “evidence” of an obstructed view Olerud submitted. As shown in Komo4 story.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:16 PM

1. What a dick.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:19 PM

2. Up here someone had to tear their house down

because of an obstructed view.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:21 PM

3. So most people's property rights extend straight up, and straight down

Apparently this fucker bought lateral property rights as well...

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:23 PM

4. Horse's ass prima donna fuggen overpaid athlete.




He's got to be a life long rethuglican.


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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:26 PM

5. My Yankees got rid of this asshole after less than a year. Bruised foot my ass. nt

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Response to wolfie001 (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:54 PM

54. it is possible to criticize Secretary Clinton

without using language insulting to all women. I suggest you try it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:59 PM

58. Are you and "wolfieoo1" in the right thread?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:22 PM

66. sorry

he carried over an attack on Misanthrope from another thread. I'll step out and leave you to your discussion. Sorry for the hijack.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:32 PM

68. Thanks for the explanation

Wasn't meaning to bash you, just couldn't figure out why your exchange was happening in THIS thread.

Have a nice day.

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Response to wolfie001 (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:55 PM

56. wolfie, I can't police the whole site. If you think something is sexist, why not

ask the poster to edit?


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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:58 PM

57. Are you and "BainsBane" in the right thread?

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Response to wolfie001 (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:59 PM

59. In the event that your post gets deleted

I want to make it clear up front that msanthrope didn't alert on you. I did.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:28 PM

6. The Olerud's finally got the trees removed and now everybody hates them. Hope they are happy.

The really hilarious chapter of this whole story was when he brought the bible into it. The "christian" thing to do was tear down the eyesore trees that were in place loooong before they built the house.

http://seattle.curbed.com/archives/2012/09/john-olerud-defines-what-it-means-to-be-a-good-neighbor.php

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Response to pa28 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:34 PM

9. Oh Barf

Olerud is a complete asshole, the bible shit just seals the deal.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:41 PM

12. Wow, I missed that. From your link.

" Olerud has thrown out remarks like

"I'm just making the point that if you're willing to cut down your own trees to maintain your view and yet you aren't willing to offer that to your neighbor, how is that being a good neighbor? The Bible says, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, and your neighbor as yourself.' That's Jesus' commandment."

That's just plain stretching religion way too far.

Ridiculous.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:38 PM

23. To say that Jesus was talking about a view is blasphemy, IMHO. nt

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:11 PM

35. the bible also commands us to be good stewards over the earth

cutting down two trees for his personal veiwing pleasure is not very Christian.
moron correction "moran"

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:29 PM

44. olrude shpuid then love his neighbpr and leave the gd trees alone, then duh

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:50 PM

53. the bible also says

pride goes before destruction and the haughty spirit before the fall...

the shame of it is, he will probably sell that property within 5 years and those trees will be gone forever.

It seems to me that if he wanted an unobstructed view, he should have scoped out the property a whole lot better and bought somewhere else that wouldn't have necessitated him chopping down old trees.

What a philistine.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:05 PM

61. WWJD?

What Would Jesus Demolish?

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:47 PM

69. .....

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:15 AM

84. Way too far

So entitled. It is equally valid that as a good Christian, he should love his neighbor enough to allow him to keep his 50 year old tree.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:50 PM

15. funny thing, the bible advocates not harming trees while conquering territory

Deuteronomy 20:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees people, that you should besiege them?

Go forth My chosen people! Kill the Canaanites, but leave the foliage intact!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:30 PM

7. I don't care what his political views are...

He is an ass and a selfish arrogant pig with no respect for other peoples property let alone respect for beauty and life and the earth. I have a real loathing for people like this jerk.

Have I made myself clear???

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:33 PM

8. I really want the board of adjustment to explain their legal reasoning behind the ruling

they need to get called out...

But it does illustrate once again how laws apply to the 1% crowd, and how they apply to the rest of us...I'm betting Olerud isn't even the type to spend 30 seconds admiring the view -- He did this an an exercise of power...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:01 PM

28. Their excuse was that they were enforcing an ordinance that was already on the books

17.38.025 Preservation of views.
In order to resolve the conflict between trees
and views as defined herein, no tree, (except as
exempted under CHMC 17.38.020(C))
whether native or planted and whenever or
wherever planted in Clyde Hill is immune
from complaint if the height of the tree unreasonably
obstructs the view or access to sunlight
of a neighbor. No owner of a tree shall
allow the same to grow or tolerate or permit
the presence on the owner’s premises of such a
tree.

http://www.mrsc.org/mc/clydehill/clyde17.pdf

So the problem appears to lie with a shitty ordinance.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:06 PM

31. so theoretically anyone can have any neighbor's light-blocking trees cut down?

someone needs to take this to the state supreme court

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:10 PM

34. The remedy for these types of things can't always be found in the courts

I can see some reasoning for it. If you wanted to install solar power or heating on your property, but couldn't because of a neighbor's trees, there should be some sort of remedy available. However, I don't believe the obstruction of someone's "view" should qualify as the ordinance allows.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:16 PM

71. Can't always get what you want.

For example-if my neighbor had a tree that caused me discomfort when it bloomed, I'd just have to live with it.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:10 PM

90. ***sigh***

John Olerud Onester cuts down a truffula tree. And not even a thneed to show for it!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:36 PM

10. He sucks

Always thought he was a phony dick.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:39 PM

11. Pic of the "obstructed" view...from 2nd link.


The “evidence” of an obstructed view Olerud submitted. As shown in Komo4 story.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:19 PM

20. The trees are the prettiest thing in the picture

Tiny hint of skyline < trees.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:43 PM

13. Nobody will forget this. In my old neighborhood in Atlanta...

...an asshole used a loophole in 'green' provisions to cut down 40+ trees on his property and sell them to a lumber company. And no, he did not need the money.

He was so hated after that, he left the state.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:46 PM

14. Please note that this is NOT in Seattle

but in Clyde Hill, a tony suburb on the east side of Lake Washington.

View ordinances are a BFD around here, because there's things to see: the Cascades, the Olympics, the Sound, Mt. Rainier, the Space Needle. There's one subdivision in Seattle where you can't have a tree over 15'.

We had our view of the Cascades blocked by a spec house across the street, & got the city to reduce our property value by 100K.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:51 PM

16. oh dear

the HUMANITY!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:17 PM

19. When 'views' are used in property tax assessments it can be a big deal.

If your valuation goes down by 100K that's probably a nice reduction in the tax.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:16 PM

38. It doesn't compensate for having to look at that POS.

It has false corbels under the eaves that are not applied symmetrically, and the builder didn't care, and the buyer didn't notice. It's 6000 sf on a 5000 sf lot and has an elevator shaft. My super-old neighbor Marilyn named it "the Rooming House".

Giant houses made of ticky-tack.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 08:46 PM

72. Probably will be a rooming house some day.

Big houses with random architectural details, blech.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:59 PM

88. +1

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Response to snort (Reply #88)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:47 PM

93. I have to tell you, snort

I am really sick of having a Hummer obscure my view of the parking lot. I AM OUTRAGED!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:24 AM

98. I'm embarassed to admit this

but that's not a hummer, its actually my ass in this pair of jeans.

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Response to snort (Reply #98)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:19 AM

99. BWAAAHAAHAAAAA

OMG STOP IT; YOU'RE KILLING ME

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:54 PM

18. There are "things" to see everywhere in this world

 

Thank heaven that such stupid view ordinances aren't in place everywhere.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:25 PM

41. There aren't many "things" like this everywhere in the world:



Here's where you tell me that natural beauty comes in all scales and all natural beauty is equivalent.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:55 PM

55. No, here's where I say that ....

you are sounding a little condescending to the rest of us.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:09 PM

62. lol

Cheers!

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:18 PM

94. I'm trying to explain the stakes in this fight.

MadHound was "sounding a little" derisive of my explanation, as if there were nothing at stake. Higher property taxes are assessed on view properties.

Views are a BFD here. Mt. Rainier is one of the most valuable views you can have. But Seattle has no city view ordinances, so if my view of it got blocked, I'd have no recourse. Like I have no recourse about my neighbor's wall of spindly, ugly evergreens that blocks my view of the Glacier Peak Wilderness.


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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #94)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 05:18 PM

97. Listen to yourself, me, my, mine,

 

The funny part is that you live in an urban area and expect, nay, demand, that you have a "view".

You want a view, move out to a rural area, then you can get extraordinary, panoramic views, no matter where you live. It is one of the reasons I moved out to the country.

Oh, and while I can't view Mt. Rainier from where I live, I have views that are just as beautiful, each in their own way. And I don't have a government entity charging me extra for them.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:31 PM

22. Oh please, spare us

It's one thing if your neighbor erects something that blocks your view. Or if a tree somehow represents a danger to your house.

But to complain because your view is blocked by a goddamned tree? Trees don't just pop up out of nowhere overnight.

As far as the subdivision you referenced, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's a relatively new subdivision, where they bulldozed all pre-existing trees.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:08 PM

33. No, Olympic Manor is post-war.

http://www.olympicmanor.org/

Most of the homes are late 40s, early 50s. There's a slope to the west, so everyone can see over their neighbor's house to the Olympic Mountains.

As long as there aren't 100' Doug Firs, etc.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:38 AM

81. And conversely

if you can get a view-blocking feature removed, the value of the property goes up. Just as I've said before, it's always the money.
Wonder if he's close to being "underwater" on his primary loan which would drive the attempt to increase his property value. Bet is the jerk wants to put his house on the market for maximum value. Wonder when he will attempt to get all those other trees removed so he can advertise a panoramic view? Just a thought.
P.S. It's a shitty view of the City, with or without the trees.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:52 PM

17. A 50-year-old tree eh

So I'm thinking it was there before he bought his house.

Maybe he should have picked a home somewhere with a better view if he didn't like the trees.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:12 AM

82. That's right, he's only lived there about 6 years.

In fact they lived with the Bakers for several months while their house was being built.

Way to treat a friend, huh?

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:26 PM

21. What a crock of shit.

It's not like those trees sprang up out of nowhere.

If Olerud was so goddamned concerned about his precious view, maybe he could have taken that into consideration before he bought his house?

It's complete bullshit that someone should have to cut down some trees because some asshole decided after the fact that he didn't like the view. It would be one thing if the homeowner had erected some eyesore that blocked his neighbor's view, but that's not the case here.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:42 PM

24. Disgusting

Just disgusting.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:44 PM

25. There's no way on God's green earth. What a jack wagon!!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:47 PM

26. There's nothing wrong, IMHO, of wanting a view. But, only if the owner of the land with the trees

agrees. They were never consulted?

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 05:53 PM

27. Here in wine country we have many clearcutting old growth Redwoods to grow grapes.

I wish people who enjoy Redwoods would stop buying wine from Nor Cal. But the love of booze seems to outweigh the love of nature here anymore so I can't blame them. May as well kill em all now, the changing climate is doing way more damage anyhow.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:58 PM

70. Large 2nd and 3rd growth redwood stands, not pre-European OG

It is highly exceptional that even single true OG trees are cut.

That said, I don't support conversion of redwood forests to grapes. The practice has been a trend for some time.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:03 PM

29. Best comment about what to carve the tree into:

From comments after the article that says the tree will be carved into something purty:


February 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I certainly hope that Warren Weber intends to carve a 30 foot tall extended middle finger that will fit in nicely with Olerud's newly expanded view.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:05 PM

30. Someone tried something similar here in Maine.

She came up from CT, built a nice house, stables and an equestrian layout for her daughter, then went up to her neighbor and demanded he tear down his barn because it obstructed her view. The Town Council basically told her to pound sand.

I was cutting up some blow-downs on my woodlot, when this neighbor comes out of her house screaming at me for cutting down her trees. I showed her where her property line was and explained I was just cleaning up dead wood. She says: " I don't care. If I can see them, they're my trees." Then she goes to the Code Enforcement officer and gets a stop-work order. The fucking Hubris of some of these assholes that come from out of State and think their shit doesn't stink.
You know who you are....

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:08 PM

32. My view of Small Town America ...

... has been obstructed by ugly, boxy things called "Wal-Mart".

Who do I see about having my view restored?

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:20 PM

40. How much money do you have?

Sorry, couldn't resist. We have a new walmart nearing completion here - nobody wants it but we're stuck and lost a pasture to it.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:36 PM

48. K&R

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:42 PM

50. I've owned a small condo in Denver for 25 years.

It's in the neighborhood where the University of Colorado Medical Center used to be. Now there is this huge area of empty buildings and the city has been trying to get something there for about 5 years. This is a pretty good neighborhood except for the empty buildings, then along comes, you guessed it, Walmart. The neighborhood rose up like the wrath of God, and, by God, they won. Now some upscale shopping, housing, blah, blah is going in. My idea, make it a huge park! Now there's a view!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:11 PM

37. I'd give him a view of my ass.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:18 PM

39. Oh, yeah, the religion ruse. Had a megachurch pastor clear out some woods for a view up here, too.

In the end, little was done. Like the George Bush clear all the cedars off your land before the jackbooted EPA infringes on your property rights for that damned little birdie movement.

Leave nothing but a denuded landscape for the rest who love nature. This is also their argument for stealing the parks, as that land is too good for the likes of commoners to set foot on. Easy while everyone's staying indoors.




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Response to freshwest (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:49 PM

52. A different cage: $4 million house has caged his soul, but that "citizen of the archipelago" will

just go buy another cage, or move to Mars apparently, when there's nothing left here.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:25 PM

42. Yet another grave to piss on when the time comes.

At this rate I'm going to need a great deal of water.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:26 PM

43. Not a Christian

Christians are known by their works, what this idiotic person and his wife did is a shame, horrible, non christian, it pisses me off so bad. I hope you choke with you Seattle view, you ignorant feces face.

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Response to martglobal (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:59 AM

103. Welcome to DU. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:35 PM

45. what an ass .......... the trees were there first

I would ask to have the Olerud house torn down

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:35 PM

46. I'm a little touchy about trees,

given my experience a couple years ago with the utilities cutting down my decades old MayDay tree. I watched the video. There's no way those trees were a problem. Rich people are not like you and me.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:37 PM

49. Oh, I remember that time. I was so sad for you over that beautiful tree.

Cutting it down was mean and ignorant.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:35 PM

47. creep. Sad for the trees here!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:47 PM

51. The trees existed first! Before the asshole built his home!

Didn't he and his architect check the views of the property to see if there were any trees, etc., that would "unreasonably obstruct" their views??? Seems to me if you want a panoramic view, you would do this before you broke ground on the damn house!!

Now, a rare tree dies so a dipshit asshole can have a CLEAR PANORAMIC VIEW!! My, isn't he privileged...and all for being a stupid baseball player who has some money!!!!

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:01 PM

60. Why did the trees have to be destroyed?

If they had to be removed from the property, why couldn't they be replanted someplace ELSE?

Did Olerud specifically demand that the trees be killed?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:10 PM

63. I doubt a tree of that size can be moved intact.

The pines I've seen removed had to be cut in increments so as not to fall onto property and damage it. A falling tree would probably break, too, depending on what it fell on.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:13 PM

64. In recent years I've seen 2 very similar cases in Las Vegas

In the first one, people bought a house near train tracks, maybe half a mile from a very busy titanium factory. Naturally, even though eye signed disclosure forms acknowledging the nearby train tracks, they tried to sue Union Pacific to make the trains run at different times.

In the other one, many people bought houses near a pig farm in North Las Vegas, then sued to have the family-owned pig farm shut down because it smelled so bad. That pig farm has been smelling like pig shit since the 1940s, and they knew that the area smelled like pig shit when they signed the mortgage.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:36 AM

100. My guess is that the people you referred to

probably bought their properties on the cheap with the expectation that they could get rid of the "nuisance" that was depressing the price of said properties and then sell them for a tidy profit.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:13 PM

65. I hope there's a lot of people giving Olerud shit for this

He deserves to be confronted and shamed for his asshole behavior.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:26 PM

67. If I were living up there, I would of gladly done a tree-sit to stop this.

What a jerk those two people are.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:02 PM

73. Pic of the former tree, worth #18,000. More offensive words from Olerud.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019112255_olerud10m.html



"You guys saw the trees," Olerud said at the board hearing. "They're not attractive trees. I would say they're the kind of tree that only an arborist would love. ...

"I'm just making the point that if you're willing to cut down your own trees to maintain your view and yet you aren't willing to offer that to your neighbor, how is that being a good neighbor?

"The Bible says, 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and strength, and your neighbor as yourself.' That's Jesus' commandment."

..."In an effort to placate Olerud, Baker cut down a small coast redwood, agreed to remove the spruce and had the pine pruned in a way intended to allow some of the viewscape to show through. But he wasn't willing to cut down a tree that his arborist called very rare and valued at $18,000.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:48 PM

79. Thanks for the link and the picture.

These trees never should of been killed for such a trivial reason. I hope this makes him vastly unpopular with his neighbors, which would come in handy when people have to deal with the next complaint by this couple.

I would bet money he's not done being an anti-social landscape Hitler.

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Response to Nika (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 11:18 PM

80. Most welcome.

It WAS a trivial reason to cut down a tree. It really angered me to read it, and he sounds so entitled.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:09 PM

74. That must have been a heck of a meeting. More religious stuff.

Olerud wasn't the only person who brought up religion during a Board of Adjustment hearing last month following a visit by the board to the two homes.

Nancy Dammkoehler, a neighbor who spoke at the hearing, said the Oleruds are reasonable people and scolded Baker: "All they want is to see the top of the Space Needle. If you can't figure this out, boy, I tell you, you'd better find a different line of work, buddy, because you're not very Christian."

Neighbors Joel and Nanci Richards stuck to more secular reasoning when they wrote that if the Bakers are forced to cut down the pine, "we should rename Clyde Hill to 'Bald Hill,' because no tree will be safe from a piece of someone's view."


http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019112255_olerud10m.html

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:26 PM

75. What a collosal dick....

.... and I don't mean that in a good way.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:34 PM

76. HEY OLERUDE

YOU ARE AN ASS.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:35 PM

77. The asshole should be shunned by his community

and the dumbass politicians who allowed this to happen run the fuck out of town.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 09:40 PM

78. John Olerud's house obstructs my view of Venus.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:14 AM

83. Crazy

The rare pine was removed Tuesday by order of the Clyde Hill Board of Adjustment, which said it unreasonably obstructed the view from the nearby home of retired baseball star John Olerud and his wife, Kelly.


What kind of rules does this neighborhood have? The tree is the property of the Bakers, so how a view from another property can trump that - the property rights libertarians should be furious.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:16 PM

85. Very disappointed.

Olerud was one of my favorite ball players for many seasons.

Sad to learn that he's such a dick.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:33 PM

86. If trees had rights .....

in every culture, we would have a lot less global warming today.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 01:28 PM

89. I always think of the tree-cutting done in the Amazon region.

Activists never succeeded in stopping that. That was a major blow to the health of our world. The media did cover it for a long time. Now we don't see much about that at all.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #89)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:24 PM

91. Tree cutting and deforestation continues apace globally even though we know the import

of oxygen. When did we pass peak oxygen?

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

87. I'm glad someone added it to his Wiki


The spot on his ugly soul will forever be marked. Guess THAT is the view he should have been a little more worried about. He'll take this obnoxious incident to the grave now thanks to the internet and the world press the story received.

Soiling one's own legacy should be his new sport. He's quite good at it.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

92. IMHO view laws should concern themselves...

...primarily with new construction and now with wholesale tree removal.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:21 PM

95. If I were the neighbor I'd construct a nice tall fence. n/t.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 04:35 PM

96. You don't own the view of property you don't own

I guess that doesn't apply in Seattle for the 1 percent, though.

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:28 AM

101. Can I say "Douchebag" on DU, or will that draw some kind of scandalized disapproval?

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Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:38 AM

102. If I were the neighbors who were forced

to cut down those beautiful trees, I'm afraid I'd have no choice but to show my patriotism of 'Murica and find the biggest fucking flagpole and the biggest fucking American flag I could find and put it where the trees were. Or better yet, a HUGE banner with the Ten Commandments on them. Make me take THAT down, asshole!

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