Tom THE DANCING BUG: God-man returns

[n2doc]

[Angry Dragon]

1. ..........

[DreamGypsy]

2. Beautiful! My only suggestion ....

...would be GOD-GOD-WOMAN, then GOD-GOD-GOD-MAN, then .... all the way up.

Thanks for the post, n2doc.

[demwing]

3. Can god create a stone so heavy he cannot move it? Yes, .

Yes, if God is omnipotent. However, being omnipotent, God would then move the stone.

Omnipotent means "possessing all powers."

"All powers" must include -

1. Power to create the immovable weight.
2. Power to move the immovable weight.
3. Power to fuck with the heads of us mere mortals.

[Voice for Peace]

6. this reminds me of a story

(remember it's just a story)

A great proud and powerful king regularly gathered his
court, naturally comprised of noble subjects who
lavished him with adoration. One fellow in particular,
a favorite of the king, was a poet. His poems & songs,
eloquent, elaborate, in praise of the King, brought
his Majesty particular delight.

One afternoon a line from the song made everyone
gasp. "Oh King, you are so mighty, no one is more
powerful than you, you are more powerful than God."


This made everyone quite nervous. It seemed the
poet had crossed a dangerous line, comparing the
King to God, and all waited for the King's response.

"Greater than God?" Indeed, is it so? The King
looked around his court. "Anyone...?" Anxious
silence.

Bemused by his courtiers' terror, he called upon his
most favorite, the court Jester, loved for his wisdom
and humor.

But even the Jester was nervous. If he answered that
the King was not greater than God, his Majesty may be
insulted, which could cost him his head.

Thinkety-think-think went his clever brain.

"My King," he ventured, "I can not answer the
question for certain from my own knowledge. But I do
know there is one thing YOU can do, that even God can
not do."

The King leaned forward, eagerly, as did the entire
court. "Hmmm...?"

"Majesty, if you wish to banish someone from your
Kingdom, it is easily done. This is something God
can not do."

and everyone lived happily ever after, keeping
their heads and pride intact.

[BlueStreak]

8. So you are saying there is no hell, only heaven?

Well, that certainly takes a the intrigue out of this game of "Who gets past the pearly gates?"

[Voice for Peace]

9. the questions we should be asking about the pearly gates

are they attached to walls?

if so, are they for keeping people out?
or keeping people in?

[Voice for Peace]

10. I don't believe in hell.. I think it is merely the absence of heaven

both of which experiential states are fully accessible to
human beings whilst they are still alive. No need to
die to get there.

[zeemike]

12. And another way to look at is mathematics.

If god created a stone so massive he could not lift it it would be because a stone like that would have to be infinitely massive, and something that was infinitely massive would occupy infinite space...and so there would be no where to lift it too.
The infinite paradox makes our questions foolish.

[Jim Lane]

18. But there's more than one way to apply infinity

You're assuming a stone of typical stone-like density and infinite length, width and height. Couldn't it instead be of typical stone-like length, width, and height (like the one in the cartoon) but of infinite density?

Now, going beyond mathematics to my dimly remembered physics... If the stone in the cartoon is of infinite density, then its gravitational field is of infinite strength. Under general relativity, doesn't that produce a time dilation arbitrarily close to 1? If so, the entire Universe would effectively freeze. God has space to lift the stone to but S/He can never get to the stone to lift it.

My head hurts. Please, somebody post a cat video.

[zeemike]

19. Those are all excellent points.

And shows just what a paradox time and space and infinity really is.

I agree, this makes the head hurt...we need some cat videos.

[ieoeja]

17. My take on that line of argument is that it demonstrates why we are not gods.

God: I made a stone too heavy for me to lift.

Man: Ha! Then you can't be God.

God: Actually, your limited mind simply can not understand.

Man: That doesn't make any sense.

God: 42, motherfucker!

Man: What?

God: Exactly.


To me there is really only one reason to not believe in God: the absence of any reason *to* believe in God.

[TlalocW]

4. This actually demonstrates a good argument against creationists

Especially the one about irreducible complexity, where the argument normally goes along the lines of if you found a watch in a field, you wouldn't assume that it just formed naturally but something more complex (meaning humans) made it. This is supposed to lead to the conclusion that therefore God created the universe, but the assumption there is that then God is very complex as well so someone must have made God, which of course, creationists will go apeshit at you for suggesting. Of course, they won't care about the logic that you can't just assume everything is true in your very general hypothesis except for one specific case.

TlalocW

[zeemike]

15. And all of that based on an assumption.

That time is real, and that there is creation.
For example, what evidence do you have that time began and presumably will end?...and what would that universe look like without time?
If you go back before time what do you have?
What if time is an illusion and really everything exists and has always existed?
these kind of questions were asked long ago, primarily by Eastern mystics...and many of them believe that we live in what they call the grand illusion and time is the fabric of that illusion...(well more like the warp of the fabric.)

[Voice for Peace]

5. hahaha that's excellent..

k/r!

[BlueStreak]

7. Finally an answer to the ultimate question, "Who created God?"

[colorado_ufo]

11. Who cares?

[Arugula Latte]

13. I thought it was: "Humans' rampant imaginations."

[GoneOffShore]

14. Forty-two

The answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. That's because 'GOD' stands for 'GOD Over Djinn'

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