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Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:03 PM

'HUBRIS' on now, w Rachel, MSNBC.

Anyone notice PNAC 'names' up front?

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz


http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

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Reply 'HUBRIS' on now, w Rachel, MSNBC. (Original post)
elleng Feb 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #1
malaise Feb 2013 #2
onehandle Feb 2013 #3
madokie Feb 2013 #4
elleng Feb 2013 #19
madokie Feb 2013 #34
City Lights Feb 2013 #5
sheshe2 Feb 2013 #6
otherone Feb 2013 #7
Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #8
goclark Feb 2013 #56
kentuck Feb 2013 #68
elleng Feb 2013 #81
Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #128
elleng Feb 2013 #129
Firebrand Gary Feb 2013 #130
IcyPeas Feb 2013 #9
Whisp Feb 2013 #127
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #10
LittleGirl Feb 2013 #14
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #123
freshwest Feb 2013 #66
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #73
freshwest Feb 2013 #93
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #124
freshwest Feb 2013 #125
babylonsister Feb 2013 #11
elleng Feb 2013 #20
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #12
valerief Feb 2013 #13
City Lights Feb 2013 #15
onehandle Feb 2013 #16
babylonsister Feb 2013 #23
healthnut7 Feb 2013 #97
goclark Feb 2013 #116
damnedifIknow Feb 2013 #17
goclark Feb 2013 #117
MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #18
kentuck Feb 2013 #21
WillyT Feb 2013 #22
johnnyreb Feb 2013 #24
johnnyreb Feb 2013 #27
gademocrat7 Feb 2013 #40
kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #45
johnnyreb Feb 2013 #100
politicat Feb 2013 #122
stevenleser Feb 2013 #25
City Lights Feb 2013 #26
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #28
Swamp Lover Feb 2013 #107
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #109
babylonsister Feb 2013 #29
morningglory Feb 2013 #30
SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #39
Cleita Feb 2013 #31
RebelOne Feb 2013 #32
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #48
kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #50
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #64
kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #74
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tavernier Feb 2013 #33
Botany Feb 2013 #35
goclark Feb 2013 #69
SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #36
LuckyLib Feb 2013 #83
Graybeard Feb 2013 #92
SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #99
glinda Feb 2013 #37
Cleita Feb 2013 #41
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snappyturtle Feb 2013 #38
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Roland99 Feb 2013 #43
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Botany Feb 2013 #51
ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #57
arcane1 Feb 2013 #91
aptal Feb 2013 #44
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Voice for Peace Feb 2013 #62
elleng Feb 2013 #53
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agracie Feb 2013 #54
global1 Feb 2013 #105
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elleng Feb 2013 #63
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MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #67
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elleng Feb 2013 #88
4 more years Feb 2013 #89
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watoos Feb 2013 #112
colbertforpresident Feb 2013 #102
kentuck Feb 2013 #104
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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:03 PM

1. Watching...thanks.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:04 PM

2. Watching

Won't miss a minute

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:04 PM

3. Ugh. Smirk's simpleton voice. What an ass. nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:04 PM

4. We posted at the same time

i self deleted mine

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:22 PM

19. Yes, we did.

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Response to elleng (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:31 PM

34. This is a great show

great in that it is being aired. Yes we have war criminals amongst us and I don't like it.



ETA: The look that Powell was giving w just now was priceless

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:05 PM

5. I'm glued to MSNBC. nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:06 PM

6. watching!

thanks!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:06 PM

7. watching

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:08 PM

8. Watching.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:54 PM

56. Powell 's pants must have been on Fire when he told that Fairy Tale!



Wonder how many times he regrets holding that little tube - probably why he has voted for Obama.

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Response to goclark (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:00 PM

68. Fairytale

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Response to goclark (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:07 PM

81. CERTAINLY why he voted for Obama, goclark.

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Response to elleng (Reply #81)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 06:14 AM

128. I think so too...

Hi elleng

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #128)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

129. Hi, Firebrand!

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Response to elleng (Reply #129)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 03:19 PM

130. Hey there my friend!

Hope you are having a fantastic week! I know I am!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:09 PM

9. I'm getting furious all over again

this is when I joined DU. I was so glad I wasn't alone.

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:54 PM

127. That's why I couldn't watch it last night.

After about 10 minutes all that old bile starting rising up again, I couldn't stand to see those faces - I had to turn it off.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:10 PM

10. K/R and streaming link HERE:

If you don't have cable, try this http://tvborinquen.com/

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:16 PM

14. problem loading page

can't connect. will try later on the replay.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:00 PM

66. Thanks, but UGH, too late. Now some disgusting GOPhers on complaining about Obama...

So frigging biased I can't stand it...


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Response to freshwest (Reply #66)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

73. I know, it just ended and it's "the Last Word" now.

Should replay in one or two hours, tho!

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #73)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:22 PM

93. Okay, but giving prime time to those jerks - Newt, Rand, Ryan - dammit!

It's all Obama's fault, and most of the people watching MSNBC will blame him for all of it.



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Response to freshwest (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:45 PM

124. "Hubris" now on youtube:

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #124)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:47 PM

125. Thank, saving that for later!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:13 PM

11. Brings back some "BAD" memories, but am

staying awake to watch this.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

20. Hey, BRAVE of you!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:13 PM

12. A commercial? Oh noes!

But I think I'll survive.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:13 PM

13. "Motive awaits opportunity." Did Rachel just say, in essence, LIHOP? nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:18 PM

15. MY blood pressure is rising...

...in anger.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:19 PM

16. Condoleezza Rice is a war criminal.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:25 PM

23. They all are. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:32 PM

97. Agree!!!!

What gets me is the R's complain about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi and look how many were killed
in Iraq and injured for NO REASON and at the hands of members of their party!!!
Can you imagine if this was a Democrat that had been the President at the time, what they would be saying now???
What Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to onehandle (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:15 PM

116. Don't forget she called GW " her husband..."


They would make great Cellmates!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:19 PM

17. Why Bush-Cheney and gang aren't on a diet of bread and water

sitting behind bars is beyond me....

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:18 PM

117. How long would they last without water?



" How long? Not long! "

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:20 PM

18. The lies unfold.... you bet...

Now let's see how it plays out.

Personally, so far, I can remember the lies... Has America forgotten?

Curveball!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:23 PM

21. I remember all these lying assholes.

Criminals.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:24 PM

22. Watching... K & R !!!


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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:26 PM

24. Ummm... anyone else getting massive interference? (Uverse, South Carolina)

Never ever happened before. Can only catch every eighteenth word. Screen all wavy and spotty.



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Response to johnnyreb (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:27 PM

27. (Other channels are fine) n/t

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Response to johnnyreb (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:35 PM

40. Me too Uverse, Atlanta, Georgia

other channels no problem.

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Response to johnnyreb (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:45 PM

45. AT&T is an official partner of the police state

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:39 PM

100. Interference was on MSNBC CNN CNBC and FOX, all other channels were fine.

Scrambled from about 9:14pm until right about 9:30pm, then was ok. Unbelievable. Do the news channels share a satellite or something?

The show is listed to repeat at midnight and 4am. I'm sure it'll be all over the net pronto. Yeh, but They don't care if a couple million youtubers... enh, I better shaddup.

Hey I got the proof, I recorded it on my Uverse box, see it's right here, umm where'd it go, drat that ATTNSA! Ok that part I'm just kidding about, but I do have it recorded on their box, and it's scrambled there too, though that won't prove much.

Thanks gademocrat7 for backing me up!!

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Response to johnnyreb (Reply #100)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 01:29 AM

122. They share a fiber op cable that runs along the east coast. Nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:26 PM

25. Watching. Great show so far. Nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:26 PM

26. There is no greater asshole than The Dick of Death.

I freaking hate that scumbag with every fiber of my being.



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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:27 PM

28. I'm too distracted by the commercial of the woman wanting to get it on with a pig.

Anyone need a corkscrew?

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:01 PM

107. She's cute.

 

Pig's nuts.

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Response to Swamp Lover (Reply #107)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:05 PM

109. We knew that...



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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:27 PM

29. Just imagine families who lost loved ones in Iraq,

thinking it was all justified, watching this.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:29 PM

30. This is giving me bad *Bush flashbacks. I am yelling at the tv, pretty much. nt

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Response to morningglory (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:35 PM

39. Me, too!! But also so thankful for President Obama!

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:30 PM

31. Okay, half an hour into bad memories, I want our

Attorney General to charge them with war crimes, NOW! Something has to be done.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:30 PM

32. Watching now, but everything she is presenting I have already known.

Nothing new as far as I can see.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:46 PM

48. Yeah,...but never presented on a major network.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:48 PM

50. Why not investigated 4 years ago - by her and by DoJ?

She have an answer for that?

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:59 PM

64. Back then Tweety was having a Bushasm...

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

74. So?

That's a really odd non-answer. Four years ago Bush was no longer President, finally. He was in control of neither Congress nor the Dept of Justice. Democrats were. Four years ago, Chris Matthews' leg was getting all tingly for a new war president: Barack Obama.
http://chrismatthewsleg.wordpress.com/about/
Rachel Maddow is her own person. She doesn't need to worry about Ann Coulter's opinion.

The time to investigate, as I said at the time, was right then. It might have meant something. Aggressive prosecutions of Bush era abuses in the realm of the economy and (gasp) lying the country into a horrible war that dragged on and on could have kept Republicans from retaking the House in 2010, for one thing. Not to mention that is was SIMPLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #74)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:59 PM

106. The reason the House was lost is because voters didn't show up...

It was like, "What? You mean we have to vote every two years? I didn't know that."

Now they do.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #106)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:06 PM

110. You don't think red meat can excite Dems and bring em to the polls?

Don't you think excruciatingly embarrassing revelations about criminal conspiracies and other conspicuous wrongdoing among Republicans -such as the Jack Abramof scandal, the Duke Cunningham scandal, and the Mark Foley scandal- have any important effect in suppressing Republican turnout?

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #110)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:09 PM

114. Those don't matter as much as fear of the black guy....

They would vote for the "R" even if it was Dan Quayle.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #114)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:11 PM

115. Ahem we were discussing *2010*

Not some year when "the black guy" was running. And BTW, the black guy won, twice.

What are you drinking tonight?

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #115)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:19 PM

118. Like I said. The people who voted for Obama didn't show up for the mid-term....

Meanwhile, the Republican base ALL showed up.

You have to remember their mindset. While we rail about nothing getting done they applaud the obstruction.

This is what they wanted. They're assholes and they voted for assholes to represent them.

Since then, idealistic Obama voters woke up that mid-term elections actually matter. Now all we have to do is deal with gerrymandering.

The PROBLEM is that Democrats tend to laughably believe pointing out a Republican unfairness will <chuckle> SHAME them into changing their ways.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #118)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:26 PM

120. I do remember. I remember saying that Obama needed to launch de-Baathification

of the US via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and via prosecution of war crimes, torture and the wholesale destruction of Constitutional liberties, and epic fraud on Wall St., which all occurred under the Bush Administration, or else problems of the economy would soon enable the Republicans to counterattack.

But, hey, let's just continue with the strategy of blaming the Democratic voters instead of mobilizing them.

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #120)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:32 PM

121. Or better yet, let's remember Nancy didn't want to be the first woman speaker,....

And start off that historic milestone with a series of hearings.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

76. I'll never forget Matthews' vomit inducing slobbering over Dubya that day

He might have redeemed himself somewhat in the last couple of years, but his journalistic conduct from election eve 2000 throughout the 2006 midterms was atrocious.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #76)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:02 PM

108. He's a typical Washington Villager....

Sucking up to power and getting all ga ga over a good show.

Bush WANTED to have a major victory parade with marching troops and jets overheat streaming red white and blue smoke.

There was even talk about holing it in New York ending at Ground Zero.

For IRAQ.

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:03 PM

71. Well, it wasn't exactly her personal responsibilty.

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:07 PM

113. Yeah,...fear of assholes.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:31 PM

33. Cheney

You can see the tape and makeup covering the horns on his head. Lying piece of shit.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:33 PM

35. Joe Wilson told the truth and then Cheney set out to ruin him.



I first heard Joe Wilson speak 10 years ago when he said on NPR that we could be
in Baghdad in week or so but that is when are real troubles will start ... Iraq had
105 different sides and given a chance they all hated each other .... so a post Saddam
would be very hard to govern.

BTW how come Cheney is not in jail?

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:01 PM

69. Cause he has been "prrotected" by his Buddies


Thank you Rachael!

What is the Statue of Limitation on this evil evil man and Co.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:34 PM

36. So many people who didn't speak up!! How many have said

"I knew what they said didn't jive with the information given"?

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:10 PM

83. My reaction as well. So many people (men) sat there

stunned, not believing the BS coming at them from the Bushistas, but rooted to their chairs, unable to speak up or speak out. Traitors one and all.

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:18 PM

92. Nobody had the guts to blow the whistle?

Gov't officials, scientists, intelligence experts, reporters all knew these were lies. Nobody spoke up. Nobody called a press conference to charge fraud. Nobody called the Washington Post or NY Times.

Aluminum tubes...a lie.

Yellow cake...a lie.

Meeting in Prague...a lie.

Nuclear program...a lie.

Stockpiles of WMD...a lie.
.

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Response to Graybeard (Reply #92)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:36 PM

99. & it's not like they thought they were alone, those 2 women

were in the same room during the UN meeting and spoke to each other about. Guilty by association.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:34 PM

37. Will this be able to be viewed later? Can't watch it right now.

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Response to glinda (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:36 PM

41. I think it's repeated in a few hours. It would be 9 pm PT, I believe 12 am ET. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:49 PM

52. Thanks! That should give me nightmares.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:34 PM

38. So far nothing new. The only thing this is doing is upsetting me....again.

The ones who should be listening probably aren't unless Fox is carrying this media event. imho

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:41 PM

42. Oh Freedom Fry Freak Congressman, sure you wish you'd been

more informed! Jerk, you own a hand in the deaths of your constituents. Didn't vote you conscience my a@@!!

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

72. If you're referring to Walter Jones, he seems very haunted about his role--

which is more than many Democrats ever seemed after that vote.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:43 PM

43. What more can she offer that Seymour Hersh and Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski haven't revealed already?

Hersh's articles in 2003 (The Stovepipe, and Selective Intelligence) should have been all this country needed to know about these freakin' zealots.

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski's The New Pentagon Papers revealed even more from her time in the Office of Special Plans.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:45 PM

47. Office of Special Plans and the White House Iraq Group were made for one thing:

To find or make up information so as to start a war w/Iraq

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Response to Botany (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:46 PM

49. Douglas Feith...'nuff said.

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Response to Botany (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:48 PM

51. Powell @ the UN



by that time bush/Cheney knew that the anthrax used in the US in 2001 was from
the Ft. Detrick, MD US Army Base

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:54 PM

57. You forgot "Armed Madhouse" by Palast. So far,

everything I've seen in this doc was in the book "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast. And this doc doesn't go as far as Palast's book did in explaining what happened re: The Iraq War.

Nothing came of Palast's analysis and I would wager nothing will come out of this doc except a lot of hand-wringing and the shrub will continue to hunker down in a house about an hour's drive from my house.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #57)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:16 PM

91. The only time I saw Palast's analysis on TV was when a guy got tasered for asking about it n/t

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:44 PM

44. Watching, great show so far.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:45 PM

46. God this is good. And so very tragic.

And wrong- so very wrong for so many reasons. I remember these details very clearly- I was mad then and it makes me even madder today. So happy this is on- hope it gets LOTS of press and attention. Maybe now someone will take action and prosecute these criminals for war crimes and murder. I can dream, right?

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Response to KaryninMiami (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:58 PM

62. I'll dream along with you. I think it's significant that it's happening

and that people (eg, Eliz.Warren) is asking questions about
why big criminals aren't taken to trial. This question
is coming up in a general way, in a mainstream way, and
I think bodes well for justice. (It's a long arc but I think
we are making progress.)

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:53 PM

53. 'We did participate in a hoax.'

Armitage

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Response to elleng (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:55 PM

58. "But no one lied"!!!

Can't make it up.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:53 PM

54. Painful to watch Colin Powell speaking to the UN... nt

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Response to agracie (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:55 PM

105. What Really Bothered Me About How "Hubris" Showed Powell At The UN Was The Two Guys Sitting Behind..

him - George Tenet and Ambassador John Negroponte. Did you see the looks on their faces?

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:54 PM

55. If you know what you're telling the world is not true, you're intentionally lying

You perpetrated a hoax by INTENTIONALLY LYING! How hard is that to admit? Powell LIED INTENTIONALLY.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:59 PM

63. No. Lying IS intentional, by definition.

Powell did not know, was relying on CIA+. 'Intelligence' community was lying, many apparently forced to do so by cheney + rumsfeld + their gang.

Hoax = malicious deception, and this one was constructed by WH w help of 'intelligence' community.

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Response to Blaukraut (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:59 PM

65. I believe the phrase that best applies here is: the banality of Evil

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:57 PM

59. Nothing really new for those who have paid

attention all along.

I don't know if I can forgive President Obama, his administration and the Democrats for not bringing the war criminals to trial.

If a Democratic government has committed the same offenses you know that the Republicans would have gone after them just as the keep going after the Obama administration for Benghazi (which is no where even close to being in the same league as the Bush Administration crimes.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:58 PM

60. Feith: "It was a 'terrible' mistake". What a POS!!! Then blames it on

the CIA.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:53 PM

103. "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't ex

Feith quote (not verbatim) "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't exist"

Again - prove a negative.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 09:58 PM

61. Anthrax attacks led up to the war vote, too. nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:00 PM

67. Bush can't apologize...

Cause that would mean he made the "wrong decision"... cause he was the decider...

America... are you awake?

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:03 PM

70. W, "I don't believe it was a wrong decision."

Please come and tell that to my friend's son who is 35 or so and is dying of
brain cancer from his duty in Iraq and being around KBR burn pits.



they lied to start a war and stole two elections. freepers and lurkers please double check
those facts.

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Response to Botany (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

77. From HIS perspective, it wasn't! Dubya ALWAYS speaks HIS truth.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #77)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:14 PM

87. W knew he was lying but W just doesn't give a shit that he or the people around him ....

... are lying. W knew that he cheated in Florida in 2000 and in Ohio in 2004 but
he still strutted around like a banty roster and talked about his "man-date."

W lied about his military service, college, business experience, and even about being
a rancher from the country in TX although his "ranch" was built in 1999 and 2000 and
his cattle were rented and put on the property just before he showed up for another
"long weekend" aka vacation.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:04 PM

75. "I prayed to God that He would forgive me for sending His chldren to die in a war...

...that never had to happen,"






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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #75)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:05 PM

78. And for killing Iraqi children, who never signed up for anything.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:05 PM

79. I don't think an hour was enough time! Thanks, Rachel

Thank goodness we still have a source for the truth.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:06 PM

80. good show but there is nothing new

I knew all that was on this documentary way back in 2003.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:07 PM

82. Well I don't think I learned anything new

 

Rachel kept teasing that this was going to cause a stir, but there wasn't anything significant revealed that hadn't been in the media previously.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:11 PM

84. And yet, the media still treats these yahoos as Serious People.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:11 PM

85. This embarrassment to the Con's.....

Is why McCan't is pissed over Ben (OH MY GOD) Zi.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:12 PM

86. Looks like we lost our soul.

"Unless America has lost its soul, Libby's indictment is the first step in the unravelling of a criminal conspiracy of high treason."


http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts130.html

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:14 PM

88. Something like that.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:15 PM

89. This was a first grade production

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Very disappointed on a very basic production. Most of us knew this . Expected more current 2012 interviews and NEW information . This is a BIG story that needs to be told. If my son gave his life for this I would never forget. I don't get it . How can the the military take this shit? People were killed on both sides for what? We paid them to put down their guns and called it the surge . What crap.There must be people out there that need to clear their conscience and tell the truth. I can't believe they can live with themselves for what they did.

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Response to 4 more years (Reply #89)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:33 PM

98. I disagree--I thought it catalogued the various deceptions and manipulations

very well. Most of us knew some of this, but it's helpful to have a more comprehensive view like this program.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:16 PM

90. Just like Chuck Hagel told John McCain;

biggest mistake since Vietnam.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:23 PM

94. Great documentary!

The fact that Bushco get's off scott free after what they did pissed me off all over again.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:50 PM

101. Nothing that wasn't know before the war. I think they went light on BuschCo. - no Judith Miller?

the Douglas Feith quote (not verbatim) "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't exist" Oh good lord there are so many things wrong with that statement. WE DID. The FBI counterterrorism said is was knows BS at the beginning of the documentary.

Feith is a horrific....words can't really cover what he is.

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Response to underpants (Reply #101)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:07 PM

112. I saw her name

when they showed the NY Times column.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:50 PM

102. only about 40 minutes

with commercials the show was only about 40 minutes long. It's hard to present all the evidence in such a short period of time. She should have done a week long show.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:54 PM

104. It was a public service.

Because a lot of people had forgotten or had not known, even many DUers.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:06 PM

111. the banality of evil

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:21 PM

119. What she doesn't mention about the Gulf of Tonkin is

 

who was commanding US naval forces the night of the alleged attack: Jim Morrison's dad, George S. Morrison. (Yeah, that Jim Morrison)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09morrison.html?_r=0

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Response to GiaGiovanni (Reply #119)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:51 PM

126. He just passed away last year .

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