'HUBRIS' on now, w Rachel, MSNBC.

[elleng]

Anyone notice PNAC 'names' up front?

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz


http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

[TwilightGardener]

1. Watching...thanks.

[malaise]

2. Watching

Won't miss a minute

[onehandle]

3. Ugh. Smirk's simpleton voice. What an ass. nt

[madokie]

4. We posted at the same time

i self deleted mine

[elleng]

19. Yes, we did.

[madokie]

34. This is a great show

great in that it is being aired. Yes we have war criminals amongst us and I don't like it.



ETA: The look that Powell was giving w just now was priceless

[City Lights]

5. I'm glued to MSNBC. nt

[sheshe2]

6. watching!

thanks!

[otherone]

7. watching

[Firebrand Gary]

8. Watching.

[goclark]

56. Powell 's pants must have been on Fire when he told that Fairy Tale!

Wonder how many times he regrets holding that little tube - probably why he has voted for Obama.

[kentuck]

68. Fairytale

[elleng]

81. CERTAINLY why he voted for Obama, goclark.

[Firebrand Gary]

128. I think so too...

Hi elleng

[elleng]

129. Hi, Firebrand!

[Firebrand Gary]

130. Hey there my friend!

Hope you are having a fantastic week! I know I am!

[IcyPeas]

9. I'm getting furious all over again

this is when I joined DU. I was so glad I wasn't alone.

[Whisp]

127. That's why I couldn't watch it last night.

After about 10 minutes all that old bile starting rising up again, I couldn't stand to see those faces - I had to turn it off.

[NYC_SKP]

10. K/R and streaming link HERE:

If you don't have cable, try this http://tvborinquen.com/

[LittleGirl]

14. problem loading page

can't connect. will try later on the replay.

[NYC_SKP]

123. Now on youtube:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017100075

[freshwest]

66. Thanks, but UGH, too late. Now some disgusting GOPhers on complaining about Obama...

So frigging biased I can't stand it...

[NYC_SKP]

73. I know, it just ended and it's "the Last Word" now.

Should replay in one or two hours, tho!

[freshwest]

93. Okay, but giving prime time to those jerks - Newt, Rand, Ryan - dammit!

It's all Obama's fault, and most of the people watching MSNBC will blame him for all of it.

[NYC_SKP]

124. "Hubris" now on youtube:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017100075

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[freshwest]

125. Thank, saving that for later!

[babylonsister]

11. Brings back some "BAD" memories, but am

staying awake to watch this.

[elleng]

20. Hey, BRAVE of you!

[pinboy3niner]

12. A commercial? Oh noes!

But I think I'll survive.

[valerief]

13. "Motive awaits opportunity." Did Rachel just say, in essence, LIHOP? nt

[City Lights]

15. MY blood pressure is rising...

...in anger.

[onehandle]

16. Condoleezza Rice is a war criminal.

[babylonsister]

23. They all are. nt

[healthnut7]

97. Agree!!!!

What gets me is the R's complain about 4 Americans killed in Benghazi and look how many were killed
in Iraq and injured for NO REASON and at the hands of members of their party!!!
Can you imagine if this was a Democrat that had been the President at the time, what they would be saying now???
What Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goclark]

116. Don't forget she called GW " her husband..."

They would make great Cellmates!

[damnedifIknow]

17. Why Bush-Cheney and gang aren't on a diet of bread and water

sitting behind bars is beyond me....

[goclark]

117. How long would they last without water?

" How long? Not long! "

[MrMickeysMom]

18. The lies unfold.... you bet...

Now let's see how it plays out.

Personally, so far, I can remember the lies... Has America forgotten?

Curveball!

[kentuck]

21. I remember all these lying assholes.

Criminals.

[WillyT]

22. Watching... K & R !!!

[johnnyreb]

24. Ummm... anyone else getting massive interference? (Uverse, South Carolina)

Never ever happened before. Can only catch every eighteenth word. Screen all wavy and spotty.

[johnnyreb]

27. (Other channels are fine) n/t

[gademocrat7]

40. Me too Uverse, Atlanta, Georgia

other channels no problem.

[kenny blankenship]

45. AT&T is an official partner of the police state

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619

That's no moon!

[johnnyreb]

100. Interference was on MSNBC CNN CNBC and FOX, all other channels were fine.

Scrambled from about 9:14pm until right about 9:30pm, then was ok. Unbelievable. Do the news channels share a satellite or something?

The show is listed to repeat at midnight and 4am. I'm sure it'll be all over the net pronto. Yeh, but They don't care if a couple million youtubers... enh, I better shaddup.

Hey I got the proof, I recorded it on my Uverse box, see it's right here, umm where'd it go, drat that ATTNSA! Ok that part I'm just kidding about, but I do have it recorded on their box, and it's scrambled there too, though that won't prove much.

Thanks gademocrat7 for backing me up!!

[politicat]

122. They share a fiber op cable that runs along the east coast. Nt

[stevenleser]

25. Watching. Great show so far. Nt

[City Lights]

26. There is no greater asshole than The Dick of Death.

I freaking hate that scumbag with every fiber of my being.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

28. I'm too distracted by the commercial of the woman wanting to get it on with a pig.

Anyone need a corkscrew?

[Swamp Lover]

107. She's cute.

Pig's nuts.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

109. We knew that...

[babylonsister]

29. Just imagine families who lost loved ones in Iraq,

thinking it was all justified, watching this.

[morningglory]

30. This is giving me bad *Bush flashbacks. I am yelling at the tv, pretty much. nt

[SaveAmerica]

39. Me, too!! But also so thankful for President Obama!

[Cleita]

31. Okay, half an hour into bad memories, I want our

Attorney General to charge them with war crimes, NOW! Something has to be done.

[RebelOne]

32. Watching now, but everything she is presenting I have already known.

Nothing new as far as I can see.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. Yeah,...but never presented on a major network.

[kenny blankenship]

50. Why not investigated 4 years ago - by her and by DoJ?

She have an answer for that?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. Back then Tweety was having a Bushasm...

He had Coulterguist on as a regular.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/04/27/mission-accomplished-a-look-back-at-the-medias/135513

[kenny blankenship]

74. So?

That's a really odd non-answer. Four years ago Bush was no longer President, finally. He was in control of neither Congress nor the Dept of Justice. Democrats were. Four years ago, Chris Matthews' leg was getting all tingly for a new war president: Barack Obama.
http://chrismatthewsleg.wordpress.com/about/
Rachel Maddow is her own person. She doesn't need to worry about Ann Coulter's opinion.

The time to investigate, as I said at the time, was right then. It might have meant something. Aggressive prosecutions of Bush era abuses in the realm of the economy and (gasp) lying the country into a horrible war that dragged on and on could have kept Republicans from retaking the House in 2010, for one thing. Not to mention that is was SIMPLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

106. The reason the House was lost is because voters didn't show up...

It was like, "What? You mean we have to vote every two years? I didn't know that."

Now they do.

[kenny blankenship]

110. You don't think red meat can excite Dems and bring em to the polls?

Don't you think excruciatingly embarrassing revelations about criminal conspiracies and other conspicuous wrongdoing among Republicans -such as the Jack Abramof scandal, the Duke Cunningham scandal, and the Mark Foley scandal- have any important effect in suppressing Republican turnout?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

114. Those don't matter as much as fear of the black guy....

They would vote for the "R" even if it was Dan Quayle.

[kenny blankenship]

115. Ahem we were discussing *2010*

Not some year when "the black guy" was running. And BTW, the black guy won, twice.

What are you drinking tonight?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

118. Like I said. The people who voted for Obama didn't show up for the mid-term....

Meanwhile, the Republican base ALL showed up.

You have to remember their mindset. While we rail about nothing getting done they applaud the obstruction.

This is what they wanted. They're assholes and they voted for assholes to represent them.

Since then, idealistic Obama voters woke up that mid-term elections actually matter. Now all we have to do is deal with gerrymandering.

The PROBLEM is that Democrats tend to laughably believe pointing out a Republican unfairness will <chuckle> SHAME them into changing their ways.

[kenny blankenship]

120. I do remember. I remember saying that Obama needed to launch de-Baathification

of the US via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and via prosecution of war crimes, torture and the wholesale destruction of Constitutional liberties, and epic fraud on Wall St., which all occurred under the Bush Administration, or else problems of the economy would soon enable the Republicans to counterattack.

But, hey, let's just continue with the strategy of blaming the Democratic voters instead of mobilizing them.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. Or better yet, let's remember Nancy didn't want to be the first woman speaker,....

And start off that historic milestone with a series of hearings.

[Blaukraut]

76. I'll never forget Matthews' vomit inducing slobbering over Dubya that day

He might have redeemed himself somewhat in the last couple of years, but his journalistic conduct from election eve 2000 throughout the 2006 midterms was atrocious.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

108. He's a typical Washington Villager....

Sucking up to power and getting all ga ga over a good show.

Bush WANTED to have a major victory parade with marching troops and jets overheat streaming red white and blue smoke.

There was even talk about holing it in New York ending at Ground Zero.

For IRAQ.

[WinkyDink]

71. Well, it wasn't exactly her personal responsibilty.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

113. Yeah,...fear of assholes.

[tavernier]

33. Cheney

You can see the tape and makeup covering the horns on his head. Lying piece of shit.

[Botany]

35. Joe Wilson told the truth and then Cheney set out to ruin him.

I first heard Joe Wilson speak 10 years ago when he said on NPR that we could be
in Baghdad in week or so but that is when are real troubles will start ... Iraq had
105 different sides and given a chance they all hated each other .... so a post Saddam
would be very hard to govern.

BTW how come Cheney is not in jail?

[goclark]

69. Cause he has been "prrotected" by his Buddies

Thank you Rachael!

What is the Statue of Limitation on this evil evil man and Co.

[SaveAmerica]

36. So many people who didn't speak up!! How many have said

"I knew what they said didn't jive with the information given"?

[LuckyLib]

83. My reaction as well. So many people (men) sat there

stunned, not believing the BS coming at them from the Bushistas, but rooted to their chairs, unable to speak up or speak out. Traitors one and all.

[Graybeard]

92. Nobody had the guts to blow the whistle?

Gov't officials, scientists, intelligence experts, reporters all knew these were lies. Nobody spoke up. Nobody called a press conference to charge fraud. Nobody called the Washington Post or NY Times.

Aluminum tubes...a lie.

Yellow cake...a lie.

Meeting in Prague...a lie.

Nuclear program...a lie.

Stockpiles of WMD...a lie.
.

[SaveAmerica]

99. & it's not like they thought they were alone, those 2 women

were in the same room during the UN meeting and spoke to each other about. Guilty by association.

[glinda]

37. Will this be able to be viewed later? Can't watch it right now.

[Cleita]

41. I think it's repeated in a few hours. It would be 9 pm PT, I believe 12 am ET. eom

[glinda]

52. Thanks! That should give me nightmares.

[snappyturtle]

38. So far nothing new. The only thing this is doing is upsetting me....again.

The ones who should be listening probably aren't unless Fox is carrying this media event. imho

[SaveAmerica]

42. Oh Freedom Fry Freak Congressman, sure you wish you'd been

more informed! Jerk, you own a hand in the deaths of your constituents. Didn't vote you conscience my a@@!!

[TwilightGardener]

72. If you're referring to Walter Jones, he seems very haunted about his role--

which is more than many Democrats ever seemed after that vote.

[Roland99]

43. What more can she offer that Seymour Hersh and Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski haven't revealed already?

Hersh's articles in 2003 (The Stovepipe, and Selective Intelligence) should have been all this country needed to know about these freakin' zealots.

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski's The New Pentagon Papers revealed even more from her time in the Office of Special Plans.

[Botany]

47. Office of Special Plans and the White House Iraq Group were made for one thing:

To find or make up information so as to start a war w/Iraq

[Roland99]

49. Douglas Feith...'nuff said.

[Botany]

51. Powell @ the UN

by that time bush/Cheney knew that the anthrax used in the US in 2001 was from
the Ft. Detrick, MD US Army Base

[ChisolmTrailDem]

57. You forgot "Armed Madhouse" by Palast. So far,

everything I've seen in this doc was in the book "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast. And this doc doesn't go as far as Palast's book did in explaining what happened re: The Iraq War.

Nothing came of Palast's analysis and I would wager nothing will come out of this doc except a lot of hand-wringing and the shrub will continue to hunker down in a house about an hour's drive from my house.

[arcane1]

91. The only time I saw Palast's analysis on TV was when a guy got tasered for asking about it n/t

[aptal]

44. Watching, great show so far.

[KaryninMiami]

46. God this is good. And so very tragic.

And wrong- so very wrong for so many reasons. I remember these details very clearly- I was mad then and it makes me even madder today. So happy this is on- hope it gets LOTS of press and attention. Maybe now someone will take action and prosecute these criminals for war crimes and murder. I can dream, right?

[Voice for Peace]

62. I'll dream along with you. I think it's significant that it's happening

and that people (eg, Eliz.Warren) is asking questions about
why big criminals aren't taken to trial. This question
is coming up in a general way, in a mainstream way, and
I think bodes well for justice. (It's a long arc but I think
we are making progress.)

[elleng]

53. 'We did participate in a hoax.'

Armitage

[kohodog]

58. "But no one lied"!!!

Can't make it up.

[agracie]

54. Painful to watch Colin Powell speaking to the UN... nt

[global1]

105. What Really Bothered Me About How "Hubris" Showed Powell At The UN Was The Two Guys Sitting Behind..

him - George Tenet and Ambassador John Negroponte. Did you see the looks on their faces?

[Blaukraut]

55. If you know what you're telling the world is not true, you're intentionally lying

You perpetrated a hoax by INTENTIONALLY LYING! How hard is that to admit? Powell LIED INTENTIONALLY.

[elleng]

63. No. Lying IS intentional, by definition.

Powell did not know, was relying on CIA+. 'Intelligence' community was lying, many apparently forced to do so by cheney + rumsfeld + their gang.

Hoax = malicious deception, and this one was constructed by WH w help of 'intelligence' community.

[kenny blankenship]

65. I believe the phrase that best applies here is: the banality of Evil

[avebury]

59. Nothing really new for those who have paid

attention all along.

I don't know if I can forgive President Obama, his administration and the Democrats for not bringing the war criminals to trial.

If a Democratic government has committed the same offenses you know that the Republicans would have gone after them just as the keep going after the Obama administration for Benghazi (which is no where even close to being in the same league as the Bush Administration crimes.

[babylonsister]

60. Feith: "It was a 'terrible' mistake". What a POS!!! Then blames it on

the CIA.

[underpants]

103. "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't ex

Feith quote (not verbatim) "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't exist"

Again - prove a negative.

[valerief]

61. Anthrax attacks led up to the war vote, too. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

67. Bush can't apologize...

Cause that would mean he made the "wrong decision"... cause he was the decider...

America... are you awake?

[Botany]

70. W, "I don't believe it was a wrong decision."

Please come and tell that to my friend's son who is 35 or so and is dying of
brain cancer from his duty in Iraq and being around KBR burn pits.



they lied to start a war and stole two elections. freepers and lurkers please double check
those facts.

[WinkyDink]

77. From HIS perspective, it wasn't! Dubya ALWAYS speaks HIS truth.

[Botany]

87. W knew he was lying but W just doesn't give a shit that he or the people around him ....

... are lying. W knew that he cheated in Florida in 2000 and in Ohio in 2004 but
he still strutted around like a banty roster and talked about his "man-date."

W lied about his military service, college, business experience, and even about being
a rancher from the country in TX although his "ranch" was built in 1999 and 2000 and
his cattle were rented and put on the property just before he showed up for another
"long weekend" aka vacation.

[pinboy3niner]

75. "I prayed to God that He would forgive me for sending His chldren to die in a war...

...that never had to happen,"

[WinkyDink]

78. And for killing Iraqi children, who never signed up for anything.

[SaveAmerica]

79. I don't think an hour was enough time! Thanks, Rachel

Thank goodness we still have a source for the truth.

[riverbendviewgal]

80. good show but there is nothing new

I knew all that was on this documentary way back in 2003.

[hepkat]

82. Well I don't think I learned anything new

Rachel kept teasing that this was going to cause a stir, but there wasn't anything significant revealed that hadn't been in the media previously.

[winter is coming]

84. And yet, the media still treats these yahoos as Serious People.

[Grassy Knoll]

85. This embarrassment to the Con's.....

Is why McCan't is pissed over Ben (OH MY GOD) Zi.

[damnedifIknow]

86. Looks like we lost our soul.

"Unless America has lost its soul, Libby's indictment is the first step in the unravelling of a criminal conspiracy of high treason."


http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts130.html

[elleng]

88. Something like that.

[4 more years]

89. This was a first grade production

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Very disappointed on a very basic production. Most of us knew this . Expected more current 2012 interviews and NEW information . This is a BIG story that needs to be told. If my son gave his life for this I would never forget. I don't get it . How can the the military take this shit? People were killed on both sides for what? We paid them to put down their guns and called it the surge . What crap.There must be people out there that need to clear their conscience and tell the truth. I can't believe they can live with themselves for what they did.

[TwilightGardener]

98. I disagree--I thought it catalogued the various deceptions and manipulations

very well. Most of us knew some of this, but it's helpful to have a more comprehensive view like this program.

[watoos]

90. Just like Chuck Hagel told John McCain;

biggest mistake since Vietnam.

[Third Doctor]

94. Great documentary!

The fact that Bushco get's off scott free after what they did pissed me off all over again.

[underpants]

101. Nothing that wasn't know before the war. I think they went light on BuschCo. - no Judith Miller?

the Douglas Feith quote (not verbatim) "No one could prove a connection between Bin Laden and Saddam but no one asserted that it didn't exist" Oh good lord there are so many things wrong with that statement. WE DID. The FBI counterterrorism said is was knows BS at the beginning of the documentary.

Feith is a horrific....words can't really cover what he is.

[watoos]

112. I saw her name

when they showed the NY Times column.

[colbertforpresident]

102. only about 40 minutes

with commercials the show was only about 40 minutes long. It's hard to present all the evidence in such a short period of time. She should have done a week long show.

[kentuck]

104. It was a public service.

Because a lot of people had forgotten or had not known, even many DUers.

[ZRT2209]

111. the banality of evil

[GiaGiovanni]

119. What she doesn't mention about the Gulf of Tonkin is

who was commanding US naval forces the night of the alleged attack: Jim Morrison's dad, George S. Morrison. (Yeah, that Jim Morrison)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/09morrison.html?_r=0

[orpupilofnature57]

126. He just passed away last year .