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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:11 AM

Good news, 3 taliban killed. Also 10 civilians including kids. I feel safer now.

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A NATO airstrike in eastern Afghanistan late Tuesday killed 10 civilians, including children, an Afghan government official said.

The strike succeeded in killing three Taliban commanders who were targets of the attack, said Wasifullah Wasifi, a spokesman for the governor of Kunar province. But it also claimed civilian lives, he said.

The 10 civilians killed included five women and four children, Kunar province Gov. Fazelullah Wahidi said.

The NATO-led International Security Assistance Force said it was looking into the allegations.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been at loggerheads with Washington over civilian casualties for years, saying the killings show a lack of respect for his country's sovereignty.

In June, ISAF Commander Gen. John Allen traveled to the site of an airstrike that killed 18 people to personally apologize.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/world/asia/afghanistan-air-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Reply Good news, 3 taliban killed. Also 10 civilians including kids. I feel safer now. (Original post)
The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP
SidDithers Feb 2013 #1
Robb Feb 2013 #5
whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #74
SidDithers Feb 2013 #75
whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #78
Bonobo Feb 2013 #95
niyad Feb 2013 #2
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #3
niyad Feb 2013 #4
think Feb 2013 #6
randome Feb 2013 #22
think Feb 2013 #64
Coyotl Feb 2013 #7
libtodeath Feb 2013 #23
graham4anything Feb 2013 #8
Hugabear Feb 2013 #9
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #80
G_j Feb 2013 #10
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #11
graham4anything Feb 2013 #13
niyad Feb 2013 #14
graham4anything Feb 2013 #19
niyad Feb 2013 #25
Octafish Feb 2013 #94
niyad Feb 2013 #97
A Simple Game Feb 2013 #60
graham4anything Feb 2013 #76
RedCappedBandit Feb 2013 #99
oldhippie Feb 2013 #21
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #15
G_j Feb 2013 #16
Hugabear Feb 2013 #24
graham4anything Feb 2013 #29
marmar Feb 2013 #89
Coyotl Feb 2013 #27
graham4anything Feb 2013 #41
Coyotl Feb 2013 #44
graham4anything Feb 2013 #50
Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #100
niyad Feb 2013 #45
graham4anything Feb 2013 #81
niyad Feb 2013 #91
Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #12
G_j Feb 2013 #17
niyad Feb 2013 #18
Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2013 #26
Coyotl Feb 2013 #28
graham4anything Feb 2013 #33
niyad Feb 2013 #48
graham4anything Feb 2013 #52
niyad Feb 2013 #59
choie Feb 2013 #55
Enrique Feb 2013 #30
polly7 Feb 2013 #39
graham4anything Feb 2013 #47
polly7 Feb 2013 #56
graham4anything Feb 2013 #61
polly7 Feb 2013 #65
graham4anything Feb 2013 #67
polly7 Feb 2013 #68
choie Feb 2013 #92
graham4anything Feb 2013 #93
choie Feb 2013 #101
graham4anything Feb 2013 #102
morningfog Feb 2013 #51
graham4anything Feb 2013 #57
green for victory Feb 2013 #69
Hugabear Feb 2013 #71
morningfog Feb 2013 #84
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morningfog Feb 2013 #86
theKed Feb 2013 #87
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theKed Feb 2013 #90
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Taverner Feb 2013 #54
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #63
whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #73
Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2013 #77
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #79
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #82
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #103
niyad Feb 2013 #104
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #20
niyad Feb 2013 #40
graham4anything Feb 2013 #31
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #32
graham4anything Feb 2013 #34
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #62
graham4anything Feb 2013 #70
graham4anything Feb 2013 #35
niyad Feb 2013 #66
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #36
graham4anything Feb 2013 #42
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #43
green for victory Feb 2013 #37
Octafish Feb 2013 #98
Zorra Feb 2013 #38
DCBob Feb 2013 #46
polly7 Feb 2013 #49
DCBob Feb 2013 #53
polly7 Feb 2013 #72
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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:14 AM

1. Drones again?...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 AM

5. No. nt

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:51 PM

74. Callous disregard again?...nt

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:54 PM

75. Non sequitur again?...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:57 PM

78. Your "contribution" to the discussion of this tragedy

is concern over whether or not it's another pesky drone thread. Nice...

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:28 PM

95. Ho hum reaction to civilian deaths again?

There really ISN'T any limit to what you would accept is there?

You would rationalize literally anything as long as it is done by your "team".

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:14 AM

2. k and r

and my question is, what proof do we have of three taliban commanders?

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Response to niyad (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:15 AM

3. Someone they probably waterboarded had an axe to grind with those three

And gave them the names as commanders.....

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:18 AM

4. that sounds about right. I keep thinking about that guy --chulabi? who was giving all that

"intelligence" in iraq, the worthless pos.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 AM

6. All three of them were the number two man in al qaeda

Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:40 AM

22. I doubt NATO is waterboarding anyone. I could always be wrong, of course.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:17 PM

64. They quit sending prisoners to Afghan prisons

so that probably helps A LOT:

Afghan panel confirms torture of detainees

By Douglas Schorzman
THE NEW YORK TIMES
February 12, 2013


An Afghan government panel on Monday acknowledged widespread torture of detainees, after a two-week investigation of a U.N. report citing rampant abuses.

In a news conference in Kabul, the panel’s director said its inquiry had confirmed evidence that nearly half of the 284 prisoners interviewed in three provinces had been tortured during arrest or questioning. The inquiry also found that many of the detainees never had access to legal defense...

~Snip~

Although rights advocates found the panel’s finding on Monday an important first step, they expressed doubts about whether the abuses will diminish without stronger government actions. Both the departing allied military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John R. Allen, and U.N. officials noted at the time of the report in January that they were aware of almost no cases in which Afghan officials suspected of torture had been punished or even moved.

“It is significant, because it’s the first time that the Afghan government is admitting that torture is truly a bigger problem,” said Heather Barr, the Afghan director for Human Rights Watch. “The question is will they actually do anything about it?”

Full article:
http://tech.mit.edu/V133/N3/long5.html


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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 AM

7. Three killed, and 30 parents and family just join,

plus hundreds of new sympathizers created, I imagine.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:43 AM

23. My first thought too,how many did it create.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:21 AM

8. and those three could have killed 10,000. So possibly 9990 saved.

 

Plus the 3 themselves could have killed the 10 collateral anyhow.
Bad individuals do bad things.

you never know.

imho.

and just about nobody was against going into Afghanastan.

it was Iraq that was the problem.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:23 AM

9. I was going to post this sarcastically, but I see you beat me to the punch

Oh wait, you weren't being sarcastic.

So you really think it's okay to kill civilians and children, as long as we get the "bad guys" who "might" go on to kill more people?

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:39 PM

80. We had to kill the civilians in order to save them.

Don'tja know...

It's like that cleric who was preaching AGAINST the Taliban we blew up when he was meeting with them. We had to blow him up to save him from maybe one day starting to preach FOR the Taliban.

He took a cop to protect him when he met with them, so we blew up the cop, too, just in case the Taliban might have killed the cleric and the cop.

This poster, sheesh.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:23 AM

10. Could have?

OMFG!!

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Response to G_j (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:25 AM

11. I've seen this defense from a few here

it's disturbing and I would wager every single one was anti-war anti-drone when shrub was in office, not sure which makes it worse the attitude or the hypocrisy.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:30 AM

13. Most politicians were FOR Afghanastan, AGAINST Iraq. Inc. Bernie Sanders & Dennis Kucinich

 

I for one had not one negative comment on drones then or now.

Drones as Richard Clarke said are much more humane than ground combat.

And us not being there doesn't mean wars ends or bad people aren't still bad people.

So NO, your answer is wrong in my case at least.

And I wonder if there is anyone who commented on drones then in a negative sense.
I bet there wreen't.

Being against Iraq was not being against going after terrorists.

Biggest sleight of hand red herring ever IMHO

Because of this major misconception, I myself am going to answer everytime I see it mentioned.

Because it just isn't true.imho

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:33 AM

14. a good many of us were against going into afghanistan--so please do not try that nonsense.

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Response to niyad (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:38 AM

19. Did they think 9-11 should have been left unanswered? So it could happen again & again?

 

I come from NYC, I was in the WTC every day in the late 70s, early 80s
it was a real building
real building no longer there
real people died

Had it been 2 hours later, 100,000 could have died including 10,000 school kids as 100s of buses a day took kids on school trips there
Plus tourists and their kids

So it should have been left unaswered?

Please explain the day after consequences of doing nothing

and in everybody, I was talking about congress anyhow.
Even the favorites on the left liberal side mostly all wanted to go into Afghanastan

the Ron Paul or 3rd party groupies in the alt-media have no influence on me, I have not once in my life cared one word what Ron Paul or the alt-media ever said. I don't herd.

Even Elizabeth Warren has stated EVERYTHING is on the table for Iran.
So I am sure she was on board with Afghanastan or would have been.

inho

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:54 AM

25. afghanistan offered to turn over bin laden, bushie refused. there were much better ways to

handle this, and we HAD (no longer) world-wide support.

please do not use the fact that you were in nyc to justify your support of the horrendous things that are happening now.

and, do not forget that one of the real reasons we were, and still are, in afghanistan, is because of that 917-mile natural gas pipeline. (some of us actually pay attention world-wide)

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Response to niyad (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:24 PM

94. How soon we forget.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9062578&mesg_id=9062682

Thank you for remembering the history, niyad. Amazing to see so many work so diligently to revise it in the retelling.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #94)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:49 PM

97. you are most welcome. it seems I have one of those inconvenient memories--just cannot forget

important pieces of information and events. quite annoying, in many cases.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

60. You seem to be OK with collateral damage in war and then

use the World Trade Center as justification for our going to war.

Do you even realize that the people that died in the World Trade Center were collateral damage?

Or is it only collateral damage that we cause that is OK in war?

You do realize the significance of their choice of targets on 9-11 don't you?

If we must retaliate for collateral damage, then shouldn't they have to retaliate for collateral damage?

Where would you have it stop?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:54 PM

76. Yes. OBL wanted to bankrupt America, and it worked for 10 years.

 

the WTC was a symbol that everyone in the world heard of, including the terrorists and OBL.
(and OBL was an architect by trade, so it was a challenge.) imho

and he wanted to finish what the WTC1 didn't do.

(much like most think 43 was avenging a personal grudge against 41 when he went into Iraq and finishing that off).

It's why people in most states in the USA have nothing to fear from international terrorists, but everything to fear from US terrorists.

9-11 will never happen the way it happened.
But that doesn't mean terrorism won't happen.

and even if the USA left completely, that also does not mean terrorists will stop being terrorists.

That too is a red herring.

the wars will go on regardless of whether or not the USA is involved. (and then people would say we were ignoring major problems.) (probably the same people in the alt-media too).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:21 PM

99. You act as if our response somehow prevented terrorists from being able to act

'again and again'. As if our response was somehow different from the violence done to us to begin with.

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Response to niyad (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:40 AM

21. ^^ this ^^^

I was also against the whole Afghanistan thing. I had read history.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:34 AM

15. Four women and five children were killed, no mention of drones though - just airstrike (nt)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:35 AM

16. Are you kidding?

I was out demonstrating against the invasion of Afghanistan from day zero, along with many other committed peace activists.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:45 AM

24. You are un-fucking-believable. By all means, continue to support the slaughter of children

Nice to see that somebody here isn't phased one bit over the killing of children, as long as we're taking out suspected terrorists!

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:01 AM

29. 34 children of some parent die every day from guns and bullets in private hands in the USA

 

I am for the complete ridding the streets of all guns/bullets except for federal/state/local law enforcers.

The mass murderer this week killed 5 children of some parent, yet there were actually people in the alt-media defending that terrorist.

(a child is a child no matter what the age, from 1 to 125 they are still a child of someone)

imho

So, is the WTC still standing???


Real people died on 9-11.
It was real.
Not to mention it is the direct cause for the world being at a precarious position financially since that time.

No matter ones opinion of Bush/Cheney, the problem with terrorism is still there today.
Terrorists existed long before W took office.
And still do.

We don't live in the cold war era anymore when its just the superpowers.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:10 PM

89. You will NEVER defeat terrorism by bombing people to bits.......


........ you will only create more terrorists. Fighting this bogus "war" via military means hasn't, isn't and won't ever work. Why is the concept so hard to grasp?


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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:57 AM

27. You could not be more WRONG!

Not only was I against it, but almost everyone I know was too!

There is a group of protestors in Corvallis who still have an anti-war protest EVERY DAY, and they have not missed a day since the war started!

http://www.jqjacobs.net/politics/impeach/

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 AM

41. Dennis Kucinich was for it at the start, Bernie Sanders for it.

 

by most everyone, I was talking senate/house
I shall edit to reflect what I thought was obvious as this is a political board.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:46 AM

44. Before edit "People were against Bush going into IRAQ. No one was against going to Afghanastan."

Move the goal post much?

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:00 PM

50. Thought everyone knew Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich and almost ALL senatete/house were 4 it.

 

MOST politicians including Sanders and Kucinich were FOR Afganasthan.
Thought everyone knew it, but then guess I shouldn't assume.

which is why I was adult enough to edit so as not to misunderstand.

I am not an absolutist.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:55 PM

100. And 98 Senators signed on to the Tonkin Gulf Resolution

including J. William Fulbright, who went on to become one of the Vietnam War's biggest critics in the Senate.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:52 AM

45. interesting that you changed your title from "people" to "politicians" when it was pointed out

that many were, indeed, against us going into afghanistan. and no, it wasn't obvious you only meant politicians. nice try, though.

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Response to niyad (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:40 PM

81. when someone didn't understand what was obvious, I changed it to make it clearer

 

isn't that how everyone should edit something?

No conspiracy theory there.

Because it was what I meant.
I post about politiicans as they are the ones that make the laws.

So its not very interesting actually.

I am not an absoutuist, who sticks to something when pointed out I made a brain fart
which happens more and more when one gets older.

This isn't 1968 anymore and sometimes what seems clear to me might be fuzzy.

So the correct answer would have been, thanks for clariffying what was meants.

Because you are doing what I did.
assuming
and as Tony Randall said on the Odd Couple in the 1970s...(though maybe Benny Hill said it earlier, or maybe someone else said it prior)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #81)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

91. no, you didn't do it because it wasn't clear--you did it because you were shown to be WRONG,

and the more you keep trying to justify yourself, and dig yourself out of the hole into which you placed yourself with your nonsense, the deeper in you get.

I would say, quit trying, sweetie, you are only succeeding in making yourself look quite clueless. on the other hand, your efforts are proving quite amusing.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

12. It's HOW we went into Afghanistan, for one thing.

We didn't need to make a big military operation out of it; we could have accepted the assistance the whole rest of the world was offering us in those first days after 9-11 and done it as a massive police operation, but no. The American Empire had already been threatening the Taliban (carpet of gold or carpet of bombs, remember?), wanting to build pipelines and get at the scarce rare-earth metals that are known to exist there.

Bushco told them the summer before 9-11 that if they didn't play nice, we'd be on top of them by October. Guess what--we were right on schedule.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:36 AM

17. +1000

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:56 AM

26. Reading your postst is like taking an acid bath of stupidity. nt

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:59 AM

28. How many is "just about nobody"? One, or two?

Wow, one of the lamest posts EVER!

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:06 AM

33. Bernie sanders was FOR Afghanastan, like most, against Iraq. NOT Afghanastan.

 

and he is the #1 most liberal person in congress

(and I don't give 2 spits what Ron Paul ever said, he is someone to ever be admired).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:00 PM

48. you know what? I wouldn't care if every single politician in the world was in favour, many of us

around the world were, and are, against it. keep insisting the war is a good thing.

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Response to niyad (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:03 PM

52. another red herring.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:09 PM

59. nice try, dear. but we read your original post, and all the carping in the world about sanders

and kucinich is not going to change what you wrote, and why you are getting the responses. the only red herring around here is what you are doing. but you go right on trying.

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Response to niyad (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:05 PM

55. Niyad - you rock!

I agree with you - I don't give a flying fuck which politicians were in favor of our immoral actions, including my beloved Bernie Sanders. Wrong is wrong is wrong.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:04 AM

30. why only 10,000?

why imagine a death toll only three times the number killed on 9/11?

why not 50,000, then we just saved 49,990.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:19 AM

39. WTF is wrong with you?

Is that what you'd say if it was your kids?

It's EASY as hell to see why they hate.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:58 AM

47. Again, the statement is true. It has nothing to do with me personally.

 

Ever since the Dinosaurs, war has been going on.
War will go on a million years from now.

Blame congress who almost to a person voted for Afghanastan.

and the war in Afghanastan is almost over.

but Bush went into Iraq and that is what most politicians were agianst, as most voted for Afgahanastan.
There is a difference.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:07 PM

56. It has everything to do with you personally.

Check out a mirror and see if there's actually a reflection ..... because no person I know with a real heart and soul could dismiss the loss of innocent lives in such a sick, sad way.

You talk about 'war' like it's inevitable. Bullshit. These wars and invasions since 9/11 were a choice, and can be stopped at any time. If those running them have the same amount of concern as you do for little brown children mutilated, maimed and blown up for resources and empire, obviously, they'll go on forever.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

61. hyperbole and personal. The empire word sure sounds like the Nader lines.

 

This isn't Star Wars

(BTW,if this was Star Wars, Martin Luther King Jr. would have been Obi-Wan Kanobi).
I think Lucas might have written Obi-Wan as a tribute.

Again, Blame the congress that voted for Afghanastan, it was almost all of them, and in looking up on google, oops, I see
Ron Paul indeed also voted for going into Afghanastan, so even he wanted that.

As this is a political DEMOCRATIC party board, supporting the democratic party,
well, I don't see many in office who voted against Afghanastan.

Maybe a list of the # would be helpful for the conversation.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:20 PM

65. No, it's just an observation, after seeing the same excuses

given for every little child destroyed in Bush's Iraq. You're not one bit different than they were back then, defending the same 'collateral damage'. It was ugly and destructive then, it's just as bad now.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:23 PM

67. But I wasn't against Afghanastan then. So someone saying I was is wrong.

 

Iraq was the wrong place. I wasn't for that.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #67)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:25 PM

68. I don't give a rat's azz what you said then or what you were for.

You see these children being killed in the same horrific ways as expendable today. That's beyond disgusting.

Grow a heart.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:32 PM

92. this board is supposed to support

Democratic values - not just politicians that call themselves Democrats. Another blind follower heard from..

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Response to choie (Reply #92)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:29 PM

93. If it's good enough for Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, President Obama, Pres. H.R.Clinton

 

it's good enough for me.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #93)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:03 AM

101. Just a follower, huh?

And will support Democrats no matter their lack of ethical backbone

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Response to choie (Reply #101)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:27 AM

102. President Obama is perhaps the finest, most ethical, genuine person in the world today.

 

on a scale of one to ten, I would rate President Obama at 10

Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy also rated at 10 in my book.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:01 PM

51. What makes you think those three has the capability, motive and means to kill 10,000?

You are just pulling numbers out of your ass. DO you know the identities of the three? Who are the 10,000 the could have killed? Where would they have killed them?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:07 PM

57. It only took 19 to implement OBL's 9-11 plan.

 

9-11 happened.
It was real.
A real 3000 people died.
19 people did the actual event itself, on orders from OBL, who was hidden by the Taliban and in their country til he went to the other country.

It's not debateable that the above is true.

No matter if there are other events that did or did not lead up to it, the above events are true.

(It's like yesterday's story on the killer ex-cop terrrorizing California and in cold blood shooting and killing 5 and wounding others. Whatever the back story, that is what happened.

the rest is hyperbole.
(or in the alt-out of there media, conspiracy theories).

imho, feel free to disagree.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:33 PM

71. Your logic is beyond stupid - it's freeper logic

So it's okay to kill children, because the "bad guys" MIGHT have been plotting terror attacks to kill others?

Is there ANY evidence to this? Is there any information that they were plotting a terrorist attack? Or do we just kill ANYBODY that gets the label "Taliban" or "terrorist" thrown at them, regardless if we wind up killing civilians and children, just because we say they are the bad guys?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:21 PM

84. I didn't ask about 9-11 or Dorner.

I asked what your basis was for claiming those 3 could have killed 10,000. As long as you are making shit up, why not claim they could have killed 10,000,000? And, why not claim that the innocent people killed could have saved 10,000 because one of them could have discovered a cure for cancer. The point is, you have no idea who was killed, why, or what their actual risk was.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:28 PM

85. "LBJ, NADER! RON PAUL!!! LOUD NOISES!!! I LOVE LAMP!!!!" Those are basically the responses you'll

get from that one.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #85)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:33 PM

86. I am learning that.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #85)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:01 PM

87. You forgot

Hillary!!Hillary!!

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Response to theKed (Reply #87)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:57 PM

88. So LBJ, Bernie Sanders, Hillary a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar......








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Response to graham4anything (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:32 PM

96. Librarians would disagree, right?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:03 PM

54. Just like LBJ took care of them in the Gulf of Tonkin...

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:17 PM

63. Or not.

Jesus fucking Christ.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:40 PM

73. Your little hollow heart whistles like an ocarina

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:56 PM

77. You are one sick individual.

A perfect example of how far down the toilet DU has gone.

On edit: Your strange, single-minded rants are beginning to "smell" familiar to this longtime DUer.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:33 PM

79. "Plus the 3 themselves could have killed the 10 collateral anyhow" Really??

Seriously?

We had to kill the civilians in order to save them?

You're really making that argument??

Really????

Bad governments do bad things, too. Bad policies do bad things, too. Arrogant Americans do bad things, too.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:44 PM

82. Nicely put - we have to kill innocents to save them (nt)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:36 AM

103. Wut?

You can't be serious. This has to be a joke.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:39 AM

20. Good news: 34,000 troops are coming home this year. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:24 AM

40. and how many will be left? we are in our second decade of war in that poor country.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:05 AM

31. Bernie Sanders (the most liberal senator) was FOR Afghanastan-from his own website

 


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/legislation/issue/?id=10311999-3eca-459b-bad2-caad567ca973

Following the tragic events of 9/11, the United States asked Afghanistan to eliminate al-Qaida and its leader Osama bin Laden from that nation, since bin Laden had planned the 9/11 attacks from his base in Afghanistan. When the Taliban government was unresponsive, the American government moved into Afghanistan to find bin Laden and other high-ranking al-Qaida leaders, to destroy the whole organization of al-Qaida and to remove the Taliban regime which supported and gave safe harbor to al-Qaida. Sen. Sanders supported this effort, believing that when a nation allowed, enabled and encouraged an attack on the United States and its citizens, America had the right to defend itself.

Sen. Sanders was thereafter highly critical of President Bush who, in going to war against Iraq, removed the military's attention from the need to capture bin Laden and eliminate his terror network. Years of a needless Iraqi war allowed bin Laden to escape to a safe haven, and to continue his hatred of our nation. It took many years before special military operations located and killed bin Laden on May 2, 2011 in his hiding place in Pakistan.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:06 AM

32. But I don't think he thought killing innocent kids was a good idea like some do (nt)

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:10 AM

34. It's a red herring. No one is FOR collateral deaths, but that happens in war.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:15 PM

62. And there it is.

Endless war. No reason ever to question it.

I've never seen you post anything remotely insiteful on this website.

And learn to spell "Afghanistan."

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #62)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:26 PM

70. The acceptance canard & one day at a time apply.

 

accept what one cannot change
change what one can't
and smart enough to know the difference.

Which is why I love LBJ.
anyone would have done what happened in Vietnam. Anyone.
Only LBJ gave us the good stuff. No one else would have spent their capital doing it at that time.

one day at a time.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:13 AM

35. He was for Afghanastan. Therefore he knows what happens in war.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:21 PM

66. let's try this another way, since you insist on supporting your views by hawking sanders.

being a politician does NOT confer infallibility on matters of faith, morals, decency or policy matters, no matter what you seem to be implying. remember slavery? the alien and sedition act? (wait, you probably would have been for that one). internment camps in the US for US citizens? rape-supporting pols who insist that women should be forced to carry to term a pregnancy caused by rape? shall I go on?

but you keep right on trying.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:13 AM

36. But..but..it prevented the Taliban Navy from sending it's fleet to bombard Malibu.

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" Mohandas K. Gandhi

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:28 AM

42. Complain to Congress and ask OBL why he did what he did.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:31 AM

43. Obama has no control over the CIA and it's killers?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:15 AM

37. The 10 civilians killed included five women and four children

 

Because winning hearts and minds is what We Do.

For Shame. We'll never even see their faces, let alone 4 days of media coverage about it.

It makes it so much easier.


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Response to green for victory (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:59 PM

98. The innocents die to keep the world safe for billionaires

"Money trumps peace." - George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007

Private Property ueber Alles, babies. And their mothers.

Thank you for putting what really matters into words, green for victory.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:19 AM

38. Good news indeed! The more of 'em we kill off, the less problems global corporate conglometrates

will have extracting profit from those fabulously rich in mineral mines after we secure friendly control of the region.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:56 AM

46. Of course this is horrible and I suspect if they had to do it over again they wouldnt have done it.

Airstrikes are messy.... even more messy than drones.

Bottom line.. its time to get out of that country.. we have done enough.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:00 PM

49. No ...... boiling a pot of soup over on the stove is 'messy'.

Having the bottom fall out of a garbage bag is 'messy'.

The loss of innocent CHILDREN and human beings in any situation is TRAGIC, and horrific.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:03 PM

53. yes.. bad choice of words.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:37 PM

72. Sorry I was harsh.

I don't do well on these threads.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:09 PM

58. Sometimes I wonder if NATO isn't strategically incomptent & if that isn't encouraged by the

possibility of getting a drone program from Old Uncle Sugar-tits, as the U.N./IMF cry crocodile tears and the World Court blisses-out in its stratospheric ivory tower.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:50 PM

83. K&R n/t

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