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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSounds like they may have Dorner cornered on the mountain
lots of helicopters all the sudden, and people talking.
I am not near a television.
longship
(40,416 posts)Oh heck. R&K
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The word I got was that he stole a car near the ski resort where is the command post was
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)But I'm in NY.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)All I know is what I've heard by word of mouth.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)
But he's been planning this since he was fired in 2008. That's encouraging. But they've been wrong before.
rocktivity
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Frankly I'm not going to believe anything until he is actually captured.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can't get ahold of anyone who is near a television.
eShirl
(18,492 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)that's all.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And someone is reporting shots were fired in the Barton flats area.
RZM
(8,556 posts)AP is saying it's him.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,328 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)has stolen their car and is now on the run (from ABC link above)
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)rollin74
(1,974 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)eShirl
(18,492 posts)eShirl
(18,492 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)rollin74
(1,974 posts)Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)Gunfire etc... http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KFbx75n5
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Either by his own hand or someone elses.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)he'd done.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)rollin74
(1,974 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)eShirl
(18,492 posts)damn
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)I hope his presence there was not a factor in that deputy losing his life..
I have been furious with some of the reporting..
One was listing the vehicles showing up and describing the weapons the police had..
I know they all want to scoop each other, but giving out information that could be useful to the criminal is lunacy..
dkf
(37,305 posts)But it's just sad
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Say what you will about LAPD and law enforcement, what those guys are doing now is BRAVE. And they are protecting the public.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)But what are the people who were SURE the LAPD needed him dead going to say if he's taken alive? By LAPD?
Everyone involved today has shown incredible bravery
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Light House
(413 posts)Sick.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I had a loaded gun on my nightstand the other night.
Since I know he'll read this I'd like to take this opportunity to say Hi to him.
Light House
(413 posts)and I'm in full agreement with you, you have the right to defend yourself against a threat to your life. Stay safe my friend.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)rollin74
(1,974 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i have fond memories of big bear, so i recalled when you talked about it.
stay safe.
Separation
(1,975 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)mentioning anything about that.
Separation
(1,975 posts)They are waiting on armored car.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Marking dust off landing?
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Sorry. Medical evacuation by helicopter.
They drop (pop) a smoke grenade..... to mark a possible landing area and wind direction.
Light House
(413 posts)OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)There are several old 4X4 forest service roads from Big Bear down to Seven Oaks. I've been on most of them before but a lot of them are closed now. I wonder if he took one of those trails. It makes sense to me that he could end up there from Big Bear.
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)is that a howard stern thing?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)and then the guy on the phone was calling the reporter a dumbass.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Also very I impressed by swift government action on the flight restrictions.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Not the be totally ridiculous but jeez...
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1274+club+view+road+big+bear+ca&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&hnear=1274+Club+View+Dr,+Big+Bear+City,+California+92314&gl=us&t=h&z=16
Above is the map link of the location.
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)only smoldering. No one is really sure what time it burned.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Sounds like has hostages..
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)ecstatic
(32,704 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)ecstatic
(32,704 posts)so everything they say, even when it's normal protocol, will be viewed suspiciously.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Otherwise, we'll be here for weeks.
mtnester
(8,885 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Dorner is shooting in their direction, and the last thing anyone needs is onlookers getting in the cross-fire.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)They got telephone pranked LIVE on air by some a-hole posing as a spokesman for LE agency.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Probably stand off over.
mtnester
(8,885 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Or the scene is contained (securely surrounded) and med can be safely "staged" closer.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)If you get shot and can't buy me that Egg Nog next winter, I'll never speak to you again.
Sorry. Couldn't resist!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Christopher Dorner be damned.
Be Well My Friend!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)mtnester
(8,885 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)in on the scanner.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)they changed frequencies.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)It's over.....
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)What could that be?
rocktivity
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jannyk
(4,810 posts)Police radio Code 33 means "Clear radio channel - emergency traffic only."
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)they were the pro Dorner posts of course... anyone else hear that?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)was that on DU? I swear I read it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's kind of "cool" too see it mentioned on the news... even though I disagreed with the post.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)It's amazing how many people somehow think this is just a big put-on by the LAPD.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)He's calling it an only in LA story. That's over sixty miles from LA. Big Bear is about seventy miles. It's not even in the same county as LA. If they are going to report live stories could they please just get the details that are verifiable right? It makes all their reporting suspect if they don't get it right.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Are you talking about the bigbearscanner.com? If so, its owner just had to add 800 more streams the other day.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Those CBS channel 9 a-holes are trying to get more milage out of it ....... for ratings?!!!!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Not sure though.
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)This is truly terrible.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)The guy WAS a cop, after all -- who's better qualified to know what the cops will do to catch him?
rocktivity
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)someone who seems to be as deranged as him wouldn't think very clearly about an escape plan. I knew he couldn't hole up in those mountains for very long.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Dying of thirst is a rotten way to go.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)a lot of places, and a lot of eccentrics living out there. The main point though is that there are a lot of roads in the desert. In the mountains, there is limited access and places to exit so it's easier for the police to set up bottle necks and road blocks something that would be very hard to do in the desert.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He'd glow at night given thermal cams.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)There is plenty of cover. California is not Texas.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Also, the desert cools way down at night, especially in winter (at least it does in every other desert I've ever heard of). A 250 pound biped will glow like a torch with thermal cameras out there.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)the mountains. Didn't you see the snow up in Big Bear? Also, if you every watched a Western, most of them were filmed in the Mojave. Remember all those canyons and ravines that the outlaws hid out in? I personally would just head to Palmdale though. There was a hugh mortgage crisis and a lot of abandoned track homes, neighborhoods full of them and close to places to shop or burglarize depending on whether he has money. A really stealthy person could live there for years.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hard to avoid detection like that.
Plus, food and water.
This guy ain't the elite special forces bad-ass he thinks he is.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)to disappear in plain sight.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And he's not an outdoorsy type that's used to living off the land.
Not a very well thought out scheme indeed.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I decided to go off the rails. I am an outdoorsy type who goes out into the wood for weeks at a time or used when I was younger. Those are not the mountains I would hide in if I wanted to hide in mountains. Also, there are campsites in the desert and in the Sierras that hardly anybody goes to because the facilities might not be wonderful or there are too many mosquitos, stuff like that. He could camp close to one of them, because usually there is water if not anything else, and he probably would not see anyone for weeks especially in the winter.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I wonder if he's delirious from lack of sleep?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)He might be afraid.
On edit: I forgot packs of coyotes too and away from any towns it's really dark if there isn't any moonlight.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)
especially when you consider that he's had five years to work at it.
rocktivity
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I would add that Bear Valley is not the place for an African-American to hide out.
It's not very expensive to live here... no more expensive than down the hill so I don't know why that is.
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)he had done a home invasion and had a couple tied up. one got away today and called the police (that's when the initial gunfight with the fish and game official happened.) then he stole their truck and the truck is the one they keep showing stuck in the gully and then he broke into this cabin he is currently in.
thats my understanding - in a nutshell.
bayareamike
(602 posts)but he did take a couple hostage a couple days ago. Doesn't seem like he has any hostages right now, but I could be wrong.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)He's Big Jim to us; he's real, smells bad, and eats from the trashcans on the north side of the lake.
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)if this is still going on I bet more people will be watching this.
Or is this just a big story here in California?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)That's terrible.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)For those that are not familiar with the San Bernardino Mountains, Crestline is the first town you come to coming up the hill from San Bernardino. Even though we have two towns between us (Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear), we are taking precautions - doors locked, garage closed, etc. It is a different atmosphere than I have even seen up here. People are very nervous. It doesn't surprise me or my wife that Doner would end up in the mountains. It is the perfect hiding place....empty vacation cabins, remote....
We are hunkered down until this passes.
-Paige
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Have you seen the backup on the 38 going down to Mentone? It's MILES long. I heard they've evacuated Angelus Oaks, Forest Falls, and all the rest.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Some of the roads I travel on in my Jeep all the time.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Theyr'e going to do some kind of burn?
rocktivity
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)for 'burn'.
polly7
(20,582 posts)'burn that f'ing house down'.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Fire in the front, he might come out the back. THIS IS IT!!!
rocktivity
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)They have been hunkered in their place..locked in afraid to leave..
They will be very glad when this is over..
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
steve2470
(37,457 posts)This was on KCAL TV. He jumped out of the bushes according to the friend of this man.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)"The front is fully engulfed." It's showtime!
rocktivity
bayareamike
(602 posts)Lots of black smoke, cabin is on fire. Officers haven't moved in.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)This reception ought to be more clear, dammit!
rocktivity
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)Dumb, dumb conspiracy theorists.
bayareamike
(602 posts)SWAT teams have moved in, scanners confirm this. Shot fired from inside residence.
Speculation: suicide?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Could it be possible that all the sudden the on-scene commanders think if he may be outside the cabin somewhere, they lit it on fire so they know NOW whether or not he's in there?
IcyPeas
(21,871 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)bayareamike
(602 posts)I heard this reported to, but...how? Didn't they have the cabin completely surrounded? WTF?
mshasta
(2,108 posts)they let that cabin burn on purpose...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)EMTs either.
bayareamike
(602 posts)have been the first time firefighters/non police EMS have been shot. That guy who ambushed those firefighters a few months back comes to mind...
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)And this guy IS an ex-cop. Who knows more about AVOIDING caught by the cops?
rocktivity
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)
from propane tanks!
rocktivity
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)DID he escape?
rocktivity
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Apparently they were there to clean the place he was in and he tied them up with zipties, stole their car, got in an accident, then carjacked the truck they kept showing in the ditch by the cabin that burned.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)No names.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)the beginning of an "all clear?"
Anonymous caller says there were escape routes from the basement, collaborated by previous caller
rocktivity
bayareamike
(602 posts)traffic I believe.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)bayareamike
(602 posts)Would you mind keeping me posted if anything new comes to light? Thanks.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)1)Tactical teams tore off the front of the building with heavy equipment. The suspect was seen inside.
2)Green smoke then began emitting from cabin, probably smoke or diversion device set by the suspect.
3)Tactical teams fired in device and a fire started shortly thereafter. Not saying that was the cause.
4)Just after fire started, one shot was heard from INSIDE the location.
5)Location, which includes a basement, burned to the ground. They waited until structure collapsed into basement.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Waiting for the SOTU speech to end?
rocktivity
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)They're saying it's Dorner.