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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:13 PM

My college town is in shambles, people I love are hurting, and some on DU only care about politics

I've spent the whole day trying to get in touch with loved ones and close friends at the University of Southern Mississippi in Hattiesburg. I've seen my beautiful university ripped to pieces. A great friend was trapped inside a building at USM when the roof caved in as the tornado hit earlier. People are trapped in their homes. Lots of friends have lost homes. One friend's home has turned into a refuge for neighbors because his house is almost the only one in the neighborhood that wasn't completely destroyed.

And then I come on DU... And I see a lot of people politicizing it, saying we don't deserve it because we are in the South and we elect Republicans, and our Congressman didn't vote for Sandy Aid (he actually did, despite the fact that he's an asshole). And I'm just so disgusted at some of the comments here-- "Payback's a bitch" and "You deserve nothing."

Hattiesburg is one of the most progressive, diverse, accepting, and wonderful places in Mississippi. It's an oasis in a sea of ignorance, poverty, and depression.

And regardless of who we elect to Congress, regardless of the ignorance, the people here are good, loving, and just like after Katrina, I've seen it in action today. People running outside before the storm was even over to help neighbors and take care of one another. People who really do believe in "love thy neighbor."

And the disconnect I witness from certain liberals here outside of my state is astounding. How can a person who calls himself or herself a liberal be so wrapped up in finding a political point in everything that you have no sense of decency, compassion, etc., that you categorize the worth and pain of people based on how they vote, and that your immediate reaction isn't compassion, but hateful political attacks?

It's just disgusting. And saddening. And hurtful. I have worked so hard along with many of my progressive friends to make this a better place, and I am so tired of progressives and liberals from outside of here looking down on us and attacking us every chance you get. It's no wonder people down here don't give liberals a chance. Because a lot of you spend all your time looking down on us with upturned noses. And your initial reaction to tragedy is hateful, political attacks?

I've been heartbroken multiple times today. I was heartbroken again when I came on here and read some of the callous comments people were making about the wonderful people of Hattiesburg in their time of need.

Video of Hardy Street as the tornado hit my university, hitting a building I had friends taking shelter in:

EDIT TO ADD: The response from the people on this thread has been really, really heartening. I'm so pleased to see that most of the people here really don't think like that at all. I guess what I ran into earlier were a few bad apples... Apples that are too ashamed to come defend themselves here. Thanks for all your comments, guys. <3

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Reply My college town is in shambles, people I love are hurting, and some on DU only care about politics (Original post)
ashtonelijah Feb 2013 OP
ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #1
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liberalmike27 Feb 2013 #94
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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:15 PM

1. I am so sorry that we are such a rotten group of liberals at times.

Not all of us think like that. Please keep us posted. You are supported by a lot of us. That campus is among one of the most beautiful in the country and I'm sorry to hear of the devastation. We often drive through there because I'm still a big Brett Favre fan.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:17 PM

4. Thank you so much for the support. Means a lot. :) *hug*

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:16 AM

94. Being Liberal in the South is Hard

Hey, we're sympathetic in Mobile, AL--and I believe most liberals are sympathetic all over the country to your plight.

But sadly, our representatives, have acted like a-holes, refusing to sign-on to Sandy aid, while gladly accepting it for Katrina, Camille, and numerous hurricanes.

So I'd say just chalk it up to our idiot politicians. Hell I'm ashamed of ours in Alabama too. I'm not sure how Republicans got to be such incredibly hateful people, but they are, and it reflects terribly on our states.

You've always got to be able to differentiate from liberal and democratic voters, and the politicians we have in Washington. People forget that sometimes, that even in red country a lot of people are liberal.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:49 PM

155. +100

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:16 PM

2. Something that needed saying said well DUrec

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:19 PM

7. +1. Another DU rec! nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:42 PM

30. +2

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:43 PM

31. K & R

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:16 PM

3. This s the heart of the problem.

Natural disasters have become way too political

Hang in there. If we (when) have a major disaster in SoCal I expect it. Issa voted against sandy relief, so did Hunter.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:20 PM

9. +1 and prayers for those hurting from the storm

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:54 PM

37. +1. Storms don't respect boundaries or politics.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:18 AM

79. Yep...

Natural disasters happen in all parts of our country. When they happen we all need to be there for support. This isn't a north/south, blue state/red state thing. Americans are in need of help.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:17 PM

5. I will support federal aid to your community

The MS delegation actually did vote yes on the Sandy aid, as I suspect they realize that their state is prone to disaster, so voting against Sandy aid would not have been a good move for them.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:19 PM

8. I support federal aid to any community in America that needs it

No matter how their representatives may have voted on aid for others.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:22 PM

14. +10

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:04 PM

46. + 1000

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:21 AM

108. We all do

That's why we're Democrats. None of us should have to beg for it. Republicans are the ones who made disaster aid political and while it seems the congresspeople involved in this area all voted for aid for Sandy, plenty of people who live in disaster prone areas did not. You cannot expect us to ignore those votes.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:24 PM

145. +1,000

There's politics and then there's people. I side with the people every time.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:19 PM

6. I get what you are saying

but one correction he voted against the aid before he voted for it and only after his hypocrisy was pointed out for all to see.

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Response to dsc (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:22 PM

13. And outraged Mississippians, liberal and conservative, were the first to point it out.

There was bipartisan anger here at Palazzo over the Sandy aid vote. Even the local Tea Party leader was angry about it. The people here actually do know something about disasters. We survived Katrina. Today, it looks a lot like it did in 2005.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:20 PM

10. I got kin over in Hattiesburg.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:22 PM

11. Sending love from Bulldawg country

Hattiesburg is a jewel

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:22 PM

12. I am so sorry...

I'm just learning of the destruction, and I haven't seen DUers' comments, but I am so sorry...



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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:25 PM

15. WOW. At 3 minutes that video becomes haunting. Do you have a link to the thread you're referring to?

Not that I don't believe you, because I may have to give a piece of my mind. Hope your friends are OK.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:31 PM

20. Threads I was referring to...

This is one of them, there was also one other. But here's one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022348320#post8

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:34 PM

23. Ugh. Ridiculous.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:56 PM

40. Arrogance and insensitivity are not limited to Freepers, not by any shot.

Sadly, even a few dems cam be unfeeling jackasses.

The best thing to address that BS the minute it is posted, and I know many on DU do that.

My heart goes out to the people of Hattisburg, and I hope all of your loved ones will be safe and well during this night
of storms.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:15 PM

53. I'm glad to see that the insensitive jerks were in the minority.

I'm a born & bred northerner who moved to NC when I retired. I totally get what you're saying and you're spot on. Just know that it does represent a somewhat small minority on DU and most here get how fucked up it is.

I'm so sorry your area was hit so badly -- I've been offline & out of touch for a few hours and just found out with your excellent post. My heart goes out to your whole community -- the video you posted us terrifying!

I was saving a heart to give away -- you get it along with a

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:08 AM

103. Christ almighty

that was ugly! I'm SO sorry that happened.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:00 PM

44. I saw some and added them to my Ignore list with the rest of the Ignoramuses.

Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:31 AM - Edit history (1)

Let the elected officials argue, we are all supposed to be Democrats here and it is beneath DU to not act with compassion.

Especially to our members in red stated who are already having to put up with GOP jerks all year long.

For those who say, 'Why not just move?' it's not a luxury many of us can afford. Kicking members when they're already down is against our basic human values.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:28 AM

83. ashtonelijah you said it as eloquently as freshwest said this.

So well stated

I second this.

I don't like it when I see DUers (or anyone) who tarnish the words, "Liberal" and "Progressive".

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #83)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:30 AM

84. Or claim they own the terms to attack others, either. It doesn't pass the smell test.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:38 AM

86. mmhmm

I haven't even seen the thread yet...but I've seen that exclusivity.

Using one's inflated delusions of moral superiority to make people who don't deserve it feel bad is not Liberalism, in my book.

Slagging whole swaths of people is pretty diagnostic of an unevolved, unreflective immaturity.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:00 AM

89. You defined that very well, thanks, Blanche.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:25 PM

16. Just heard an interview with the mayor of Hattiesburg

He kept saying that the town was blessed. The university is out for the week so nearly all the students were not in town. The high school that took a direct hit was empty on a Sunday evening.

I heard of three casualties, not sure if injured or worse.

Who gives a damn about politics when people are in danger or in pain?

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Response to csziggy (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:38 PM

29. Mayor Dupree is wonderful

Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Mayor Dupree has been a great leader in Hattiesburg, and for anyone who thinks Hattiesburg is typical of Mississippi, we have a very large older white population, yet we have elected Mayor Dupree, a black Democrat, multiple times. He obviously lost, but we made him the Democratic Party's Gubernatorial nominee in 2011. He truly cares about our state. On the night of his concession speech, he concluded by saying, "Mississippians are some of the greatest people on earth. They deserve better than what they get." He can see the goodness here despite all the ignorance and bad electoral choices. That's why so many of us are willing to stay here and fight, because the people here are worth it.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:56 AM

100. ashtonelijah, I supported the People of Hattiesburg at another thread...

you answered me. Again I give you hugs.

It should not matter if we are a red, blue or purple state. It should never matter if our skin color is white, black, brown....or even pink, blue or green. Our sexual orientation should not come in to play. Our gender should not be questioned. In a disaster, how we vote should not be a deciding factor in our aid. Ever!

We, as a nation, should be helping all of our citizens. We at DU should be supportive of all our people.

That is what we should be about. If we lose our humanity, then we are dead.

Thank you for your OP, ashtonelijah.
I wish you all well in Hattiesburg.

I am from Mass. We can understand your pain.

sheshe

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:26 PM

17. I am so sorry..

I missed the news tonight and was completely unaware of this until logging on to DU just now. You are correct...shame on anyone who does not feel empathy for the residents of Hattiesburg and the people who love them. Peace.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:30 PM

18. I don't watch TV news, so this is the first I've heard of it

My town was hit by a tornado when I was 14, so even though our house wasn't damaged, I have some idea of the kind of havoc that a tornado can create.

My heart goes out to all of you.

If we politicize disasters and say that certain people don't deserve help, then we're no better than Bush delaying help for New Orleans after Katrina.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:57 PM

158. Same here and I am reading about this on the 11th. It breaks my heart to think that some

of our people are willing to stoop to the level of republicans that voted against Sandy aid and held up money from people that needed money. But, we are better than those republicans, we can't go where they went. People struck by disaster aren't begging, they need money because a lot of insurance money, private money, won't be released until federal money comes in.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:31 PM

19. Unfortunately I have found many

here prefer culture war over inclusiveness. An early wakeup call for those of us in tornado alley..climate change could make this year even less predictable..

Godspeed Hattiesburg..

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:32 PM

21. This is the problem with generalizations.

Been guilty of this myself (not on this) and your post gave us all a good reminder that we need to be more careful when painting with a broad brush. I'm so sorry for what you are going through and I hope your loved ones are safe.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:33 PM

22. The more we fight each other

The more the real enemy can steal from us.

I am often sickened by the southern bashing here.

We're all in this together and the sooner many people here recognize that, the sooner we can make progress.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:34 PM

24. There is a small but vocal collection of liberal Pat Robertsons here

 

Some of them are just asses. Others are trolls who say this stuff with the intention of making the site look bad.

But these are a small minority. Most people here react just like any decent person would - with sympathy and support.

Best wishes to you and all of your friends and family down there!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:34 PM

25. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!



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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:35 PM

26. Like almost all of DU, I know that Mississipians deserve help like we all do

Even if a particular Miss. resident is a Teabagger, he or she still deserves help because he or she is a HUMAN BEING, never mind an American citizen.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:58 PM

69. Hear hear!

And for those in Hattiesburg...

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #69)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:07 AM

75. yes !

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:36 PM

27. K&R&H



Thank you.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:37 PM

28. There are two occasions when things tend to get ugly at DU,

when unpopular/conservative/right-wing loonies die and when something bad happens in a state that does not have a dyed-in-the-blue political history. Oh yeah, and when people start talking about how to fry chicken, so guess it's really three.

Hugs to you and hope the lack of casualties stays true.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:44 PM

32. I can feel for you.

It hurts, hurts like no one should ever know. So many keep remembering about the Sandy Aid vote and don't think about the people in general. They can not see what is truly going on in Hattiesburg right now. They can not see the people running around begging for help to dig out family that are buried alive (with luck alive) or begging for a phone to call for family. If they did, they would never say such things.

If you need to talk, I am a DUmail away.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:46 PM

33. I'm so sorry Ashtonelijah

This may not be the right time to say this but use the ignore button, it makes DU a much nicer and saner place. Just wipe out the ugly voices.

I hope everyone pulls through, regardless of their politics.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:47 PM

34. I'm so sorry! I didn't even know about it.

I never saw anyone here talking about it but I've been really busy. Lot's of personal stuff going on here in my world at the moment, so I'm far from my best.

I still care and I am sorry to hear of the destruction and what you experienced here.



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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:57 AM

122. First I heard, too. Isn't it an odd time of the year for tornadoes? Even in the south?

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #122)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:17 AM

129. Tornado season "officially" starts

in March. So this was an early one, though with climate change I think we're going to have longer and more severe tornado seasons.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #129)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:06 AM

135. It really is, " Earth in the Balance". Isn't it?Wonder when we will turn it back around.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:48 PM

35. No, politics are far from being my first love on DU (actually Kittehs are)

I wish you the best and hope the loss of life is minimal.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:51 PM

36. Perhaps you missed it,

but people who made tacky comments about tying relief there to relief in areas had hit by Hurricane Sandy were quickly jumped on. "Two wrongs never make a right" was the sentiment most quickly voiced.

People who concentrate on looking for insults will often find them on DU and all over the web. My suggestion is that you read all the comments. You'll get a very different viewpoint.

BTW, I thought Oxford was MS's island of sanity. I know that's where the best NPR station in the south is. That station has saved what has been left of my sanity on several cross country drives.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:21 PM

55. Been nervously watching the weather all day...

I am sorry about USM and the residents down south. I'm in North Miss and it's already been an interesting year. As for Oxford being MS only island of sanity, I really don't think one place owns the title. Rather, there are individual people who become islands of sanity.

The same person I disagree with on politics, I can later agree with on sports. As a Mississippian, some days I hate the south. But, I find it genuinely hard to dislike the people. Some days it takes more work than others, but I try to look really hard to find common ground.

I don't really like the idea of an America divided into little divisive camps...republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, tea party people. It becomes so easy to denigrate instead of finding common values and solutions.

The only people who seem to benefit from this sorry state of affairs are politicians and the modern day news media, who gave up on telling us the news ages ago.

Good luck and God bless, down south! I hope you guys recover quickly, Ash. I hope everyone is okay. I'll be on the lookout for ways to lend a helping hand.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:54 PM

38. Oh honey I'm so sorry. I grew up in MS and know how lousy it can get here.

I've been offline and didn't find out about the tornado til recently. I have relatives all over that area but all are okay. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Please let us know how your people are and try not to be hurt by the ignorance and unkindness. I don't understand it in a supposedly progressive community myself. We all know the state's flaws but damn, people deserve compassion and help. Take care.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:56 PM

39. I don't care where people are from we should all help each other. I am willing to bet

 

the politicans from the Northeast will approve of aid they surely will need, unlike our southern counter parts. Those are facts. But I sure hope everyone in congress help everyone that is in need.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:56 PM

41. We've been watching the weather nervously all day.

Half the band is in Washington DC but they've gotta go west in a few days. I hope the tornadoes will have passed them by.

Sorry for the awful weather complications - you have our sympathies! A lot of people here are fighting other battles. As Dems, liberals, and progressives, we've got a LOT of work to do, seemingly everywhere!

For example, I think there should be some preemptive requests for disaster funding. You guys need it too. I keep shouting at the TV - go down to the basement!!!! Or get into the tub!!!!

Hope your friends are okay.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:57 PM

42. DU, this is the face you all too often wear any more. Ashtonelijah...

... I am so sorry that the denizens here have let you down. I hope they read your post and are ashamed of themselves.

Ashtonelijah, I am so terribly sorry for your losses and the losses of your town and university. May outside help come soon, and in the meantime I'm sorry there's not more I can do from here.

Hekate

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:00 PM

43. I am so sorry

 

I hate that this happened

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:04 PM

45. A salute from a fellow Liberal southerner

I am in Florida, which tends to get treated like scum of the earth, even though we went blue for the past two elections.

Yes, our politicians suck, but many of us are here, fighting harder than anyone in a Blue area has to.

Also, do not think we do not know that you have plenty of red politicians up north.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:05 PM

47. People need to remember that the difference between red and blue states is a few percentage points

 

Red states aren't 100% red and blue states aren't 100% blue.

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Response to FreeBC (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:32 AM

119. Got that right!

There were still over three million Texans that voted for Barack Obama and against Ted Cruz. And yet you'd think from some posts on here that Texas was the low rent district of Hell.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:06 PM

48. Damn! That is some amazing footage.

This OP is the first I've heard of this storm.

Providing disaster relief is a no-brainer. Politics be damned.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:08 PM

49. I am so sorry.

I hadn't checked the news since this morning. Mr. TO95% and I were out most of the day. Having lived through Sandy I wouldn't wish a natural disaster on anyone. It is so distressing to have an image of home and its beloved surroundings and be faced instead with a barren or much altered landscape.

I hope you find that many of us still believe in "E Pluribus Unum." Your losses are ours too.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:10 PM

50. Thank you for posting this.

I don't have a TV, so I was not aware of this tornado.

In the early 1980's my sister lived in Hattiesburg for a couple of years, and I visited her five or six times while she was there. To be honest, I didn't get to know Hattiesburg all that well, since my focus was simply on my sister. But let me tell you about the incredible cream puffs at the Piggly Wiggly! And if there's more than one Piggly Wiggly there, alas, I cannot tell you which one it was.

I like to say that we live in a wonderful country with fifty wonderful states. While there are some that you could not pay me to live in, others love those states, and couldn't be paid to live in the ones I like. There are wonderful, good, and friendly people everywhere.

One of the things I loved about Mississippi when I visited my sister, were the fabulous water parks. You still have them, I hope. For those of you who don't know about them, the water parks are essentially state parks with some kind of a water feature, generally a decent sized lake. Usually there's boating and fishing and whatever other water sports are appropriate. The scenery was just gorgeous.

Anyone who has never seen the destruction tornadoes cause just have no idea. There's a town in Kansas, Greensburg, which was hit by a tornado on May 4, 2007. It was an F-5, the strongest tornado. I had several times in the years right before the tornado driven through Greensburg. It was just a wide spot in the road, quite frankly. Then I drove through two months after the tornado. The approach to the town was coming up a hill, and when I crested the hill I saw the damage and my mouth fell open and didn't close for at least fifteen minutes. It was as if the tornado had struck the day before.

Here's a picture taken twelve days later, and trust me, six weeks later there hadn't been any rebuilding yet.



I happened to drive through Greensburg several times over the next four years, and watched it rebuild. Hattiesburg will do the same.

And even though, as I said above, there are places you could not pay me to live in, if any one of those places gets struck by tornado or hurricane or earthquake or anything else, it is our DUTY as citizens of this country, to help each other out.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:13 PM

51. My heart goes out to my southern friends.

I hope all get out with their lives!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:15 PM

52. I just heard about the storm earlier this evening. Glad you made it through.

I'm a southern Liberal too, and it can be dangerous at times. Southern Liberals are by necessity, tough.

Payback for the shitty thing the Republicans did with Sandy relief would make us no better than them.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #52)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:35 PM

160. I feel bad. I watched news channels yesterday and was on the net. None mentioned the problems

down South. All of the focus was on the Northeast recovering from it's big snowstorm. Southerners should take this as our news people becoming more ill informed instead of people from the Northeast looking down on Southerners.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #160)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:20 AM

163. CNN is in Atlanta, it would seem they'd be more in touch with what's happening in that part

of the world.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:19 PM

54. Yes - I am afraid

that some here are just as guilty as the far right when it comes to putting politics before humanity.
I am sorry for the devastation and pain the tornado has caused.
Healing vibes and federal aid, I hope, is coming your way.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:23 PM

56. Mississippi

is a beautiful state.

Texans take a lot of abuse on DU as well. I just have to assume folks who badmouth someplace that doesn't belong to them are low on intelligence. I mean, REALLY? Prejudice is not the mark of intelligence. Quite the contrary.

I hope your friends are going to be okay. My sympathies.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:27 PM

57. I hope they are sent all the help they need

The video is devastating but mesmerizing. I don't know if I'd be as close as the guys in the video were. My understanding is that tornadoes can turn quickly.

Does the community have an early warning system to warn people? I thought that's what you must be referring to when you said you had already taken shelter.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:31 PM

58. I spent some time in Southern Mississippi many years ago

I remember Hattiesburg as a pretty cool place. I hope relief finds its way there.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:32 PM

59. Kick and Rec!

 

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

60. Hattiesburg needs love and politics don't matter.

Nothing is more terrifying than a tornado. For our friends in Mississippi, help is on the way; you will not be disparaged or forgotten.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:37 PM

61. K&R

I'm so very very sorry, ashtonelijah. We do have some heartless folks on here when it comes to attacking fellow DUer's opinions, or the less fortunate, or the young, or the old, etc., etc. Personally, I think they are trolls, paid to drive a wedge between us.

I have not run into the threads you spoke of, thank goodness for them. I hope you locate your family and friends soon. Whoever in the world heard of fucking tornadoes in February??????

Praying for you and yours who may have been caught in the storm's path.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:41 PM

62. The folks here should know better than to lower themselves to that level...

Ignore their comments. Most of us don't think that way.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:46 PM

63. OMG! I HOPE that everyone you care about is safe!!

There are a lot of people who call themselves "liberals" but aren't. They don't resemble a "liberal" in any way, shape or form and their idealogies get in the way of their humanity.

I haven't seen the news tonight, so I have no idea how bad the damage was or if anyone was seriously injured or worse...I truly hope not!

Please know that there are people on DU who truly do care about other people, no matter where they are from.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:48 PM

64. Prayers for you and your town.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:50 PM

65. The end of that video is heartrending.

I haven't been watching the news all day so this is the first I've heard of this disaster.

I hope there are no fatalities, no serious injuries, but with devastation this severe it'll be a miracle if no one was seriously hurt.

The feelings of helplessness at the center of such an event can be so disheartening.

Please know that there are people tonight all across the country who have you in our thoughts. And we all of us should support getting people affected by such a disaster whatever help they need, where ever they live and whatever their politics.

Best wishes, and please let us know, when you have time and energy, how you and your friends and loved ones are doing.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:50 PM

66. DU rec and kick

And good thoughts from the west coast...hang in there!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:55 PM

67. This was really a scary tornado.

The video you've posted is nightmarish. I can't believe people were out driving around in this! And this video, moving closer and closer to it as it just grinds up the city. Yow! Thank goodness nobody was (apparently) killed, although there are several injuries and widespread devastation. I lived in "Tornado Alley" in Alabama for a bit, so I can empathize.

I'm sorry you had to endure the comments of a small minority of DUers, heartless dumbasses who don't have the sense and decency to know that there are good people all over America, even in the so-called Red states. i have only DUer on Ignore (it was 2, until one of the assholes got PPR'd). I may have to add a couple more now.

I hope everybody in the affected area makes it through this OK and that they're all back on their feet soon.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:58 PM

68. Without places like Hattiesburg, and Tuscaloosa last year, the South would be well and truly screwn

besides which, the very idea of destructive tornadoes in February ought to scare the bejeezus out of everyone between the coasts, at least.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:59 PM

70. (((hugs)))

So very sorry. I can assure you my state will get the same treatment from the "good guys in the white hats, aka the supposed liberals" on DU. I am truly sorry. I hope your friends are OK.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:59 PM

71. I'm so sorry for your experiences here.

Some people have a hard time discerning the difference between facts, half truths, fiction, support, anger, maturity, childishness, having a point, forcing a point, standing firm, stubbornness, refusing to learn, listening, hearing, being true and being fake.

All that said, we all have to approach each other with a certain amount of "benefit of the doubt" so we have a chance to see each other for what we are individually. Otherwise we end up making those oversimplified and unrealistic put-downs, becoming cynical instead of seeing each others joys, needs and suffering.

I hope to see a day when we can support each other in reason and honesty instead of speaking through a screen of resentment.

(note to self)

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:01 AM

72. I was down in Gulfport and Biloxi for two years after Katrina.

Doing recovery work. Spent time up in Hattiesburg when I needed to be some place that wasn't completely destroyed (though you certainly had your share of damage from that storm, too). I have many friends still in the area. I'm actually looking into doing a distance Masters program with USM in the next year or so. ashtonelijah, my heart goes out to you and your town. You are very much in my thoughts and prayers tonight!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:02 AM

73. I lived in Slidell La

I only saw one Gore Lieberman sign in 2000. I know it's strange to live in the reddest of reds and STILL love it. My heart broke watching Katrina and it would have sucked to have been brushed aside just because it's a red area.

Good luck to you!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:03 AM

74. I'm sorry your college town is in shambles.

I am roughly 25 miles away from Joplin, and my wife and I were up there a week after the tornado hit in May of 2011 and I can honestly say I have never in my life seen such loss, tragedy, hurt, depression, and destruction. I have always seen tornado's on tv, and I've only seen two tornado's in real life(from a long distance away, I'm talking 20 miles away), but Joplin really hit home, because it was my back yard, in a way my town.

I hope all touched by the tragedy that hit your college town overcome this. :hugs:

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:08 AM

76. Please don't let the apples get to you.

It doesn't seem to matter where you live, there always seem to be some here who want to denigrate the state. As an Alaskan, I see it pretty often, too. (Just yesterday actually. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=394816 )

I'm very sorry this happened to your city, and I hope everyone will be okay.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:08 AM

77. I know how you feel.

I live in NC, in a very red area. My newly-elected asshat Congresscritter voted against Sandy aid, I didn't vote to put him in office but I'm sure if my area is hit by a natural disaster there are some on DU who will say we "deserved" it.

My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your town.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:15 AM

78. This OKie from Tornado Alley gives you her love, understanding, and support.

I've seen too many of these in my lifetime to not have sympathy for those who are going through it. It's a horrible, scary thing.

I think too many people today seem to think they're the only ones who ever deserve any help, sympathy, compassion, and understanding. They forget that we're all together in this thing called Life, and that we are all deserving of support and love, no matter what the circumstances. I'm embarassed when people act that way.

I hope your friends are okay, and I'm sorry for the destruction at your school. I'm not overly fond of my alma mater these days, but I'd be devastated if something like that happened to it.

Take care of yourself.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:23 AM

80. My heart is with you and yours...

This video is unbelievable... I know the feeling of being in harms way from the weather as I lived through many hurricane with tornadoes . I also live in a red State and hate when people generalize. There are large pockets of the best Democrats I have ever known... Sending Good Vibes to the good people who had this horrible experience...

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:27 AM

81. I want to add my voice in support

there are good people everywhere, and regardless of who the other residents in MS who don't like most of the type of folks that post here, I still feel sorry for them all when disaster strikes.

I am glad you are OK, and hope your friends will be too. Sounds like you are among good people there.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:28 AM

82. Ignore the assholes, even DU has a few. Best wishes for you, your community and friends, family.

It is infuriating to read some of the crap posted after a disaster, my best recommendation is realize those people are really sad people and move on. Most of us are not like that and wishing the best for you and all involved.

Northern tier person here but lived through an F5 as a child. It is something.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:37 AM

85. deep breath everyone - it is 9:30 PM West Coast time

and I am only now finding out about the tornado in Mississippi I for one have been glued to the internet watching a Grammy live stream to just a few moments ago - as a major Coastal Progressive Liberal from NY - I do have a challenging time with the continuing difficulties between the south and the more liberal coasts - as if the Civil War is still be revenged - I find it very very painful and deeply destructive to the country as a whole AND that said of course you and your friends and family need all the help they can get - once the Northeast digs out and folks can take in this new weather related storm - our aide will be mobilized - we have never abandoned the south, and yes, One day I do hope that more people in the south and very conservative areas of the country can begin to take in the reality of climate change - warm blessings

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:41 AM

87. Obama took 44% of the vote in Mississippi.

Even in the bluest states a big portion of people vote Republican. Even in the reddest states a big portion of people vote Democratic.

The idea that you'd look down on an entire area because it voted 44% Democratic instead of 51% is pretty strange.

Thanks for the post, OP, and best wishes.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:56 AM

88. Thanks for speaking up. Really sorry about what happened to your area.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:02 AM

90. There's real and justified bitterness here about the Sandy relief mess.

But I've seen the result of one mild tornado here in Queens and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

With climate change, disasters are going to be more frequent and more disastrous. If we don't stand together to save every one of us we can, America won't survive into the next century.

What is nationhood but a compact to help each other survive whatever evil befalls us?

We became a nation by forming communities, by reaching out to each other in time of need. We rallied to Paul Revere. We rushed supplies to still smoking Chicago. We drove all night to dig out the World Trade Center.

What happened over Sandy must never happen again.

We are Americans. That means we agree to stand together in time of trouble no matter what our disagreements about anything else.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:04 AM

91. K&R. Good post. nt

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:08 AM

92. I am quite familiar with tornadoes, growing up in Overland Park. Stay safe & all the best.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:15 AM

93. Sorry to hear this. I haven't been on for a long time and

didn't even know of this tornado.

You don't think of tornados in the wintertime. So much damage and it happens in such a short time. Incredible.

I haven't read any comments about it, but I apologize for those who upset you.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:17 AM

95. +1000 for the well-placed rant, and....

....from those of us liberals and progressives who live in the South and have experienced a tornado's effects, our heartfelt sympathies...we know what you're going through.

For those of you who chose to politicize this event and once again blame the ENTIRE South for the policies of GOP Tea-Nazi right-wingers still hanging on to power....piss the hell off.

For those of you who are indeed GOP Tea-Nazi right-wingers, your political demise is coming, hopefully sooner rather than later.



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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:18 AM

96. My prayers are with you and your neighbors. nt

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:20 AM

97. I was born and raised in Laurel, about 28 miles north....Wish you all the best friend....

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:03 AM

98. May Hattiesburg and all

those affected by the storm know that we do care and we send out deep felt compassion for what has occurred.

That was amazing footage - frightening to know what Mother Nature can do.

Pax ashtonelijah.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:35 AM

99. sometimes being out of the loop has its advantages

I'm glad I missed that ugliness but rest assured my sweet most of us are rational and compassionate

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:01 AM

101. Be well :(

 

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:01 AM

102. There are liberals and then there are

people who call themselves liberals. Unfortunately, you are having to learn that the hard way. I'm so sorry people were so callous about this terrible tragedy. Hopefully the ugly people are in the minority. My husband's family are from that general area. Please know that our hearts and best wishes are with those who are in need.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:20 AM

104. Don't give up on us. Please.

We haven't all given up on the South. There are good people, no great people everywhere. Please keep us posted. I can't watch the news anymore but I want to know how things go and how we can help.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:07 AM

105. We are the UNITED sates of America and we are judged by how we teart the least fortunate

I, too, am sadden by anyone whose reaction to a tragedy of any kind is that it is deserved. Most people on DU feel the same, I suspect. It is unfortunate that our politicians, the media, corporations, and the wealthy want to turn us against each other for their own ends.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:09 AM

106. We are one country,one world. Should be automatic aid everywhere needed.

 

I don't think I have seen the thread you are refering to.

Hope everyone is found alive and that very quickly, the damage assertained, and the money released quickly to rebuild. Compassion for all in all states.

I am from New Jersey, and have two friends in Mississippi, and have been in the state three times, always feeling welcome (can't say that about some other states).

States should not be pitted against states at all. However, politics in a sense does come into play, because of people's attitudes about what government should and should not do, some parts of the elected officials don't want government to do a damned thing to help anyone
(so its not the people themselves, but the elected leaders. (The Tea party philosophy is less than 20% of the nation, but has very vocal elected people from that party, and the do-nothing whatsoever is their party, and it is not only in the south, as Wisconsin is way up North).
and I have been saying, let's make every state blue, I do not see why the entire south cannot again be blue like it was for LBJ and like it was for Jimmy Carter. And like it can be again in 2016 (according to polls Hillary is going to win at least 5 or 6 now red states, some very red states).

In states that are the poorest economically, I just do not understand why the people who vote for republicans do that. It is against everything that can help.The democratic party can offer so much more help.
There should be great heavily financed candidates that are democratic in every single district througout the south.

Katrina showed both the devastation of Mother Nature, and storms the last decade all over are getting worse and worse (climate change) and Katrina showed the horrible racism still at play in the USA, the rightwing stressing the non-existent riots, and the first whispered, then fact, then jailtime for the cops on Danzinger Bridge who killed any black person attempting just to reach the dry land on the other side.Katrina for all intents and purposes politically was an ethnic cleansing, of one specific people out of the state, and changing a 50-50 state to
at best 65-35.imho

Hate to go political but in a sense, it is all connected because these storms are not just randomly just happening to get worse and worse than ever, it is the climate change and the differences of the two parties on this specific issue (where one side completely ignores it, says it doesn't exist, and votes everything down or threatens to, and, the audacity in 2000 of Nader the Green 3rd partyist saying Gore and Bush were the same, just on the environment issue alone.
And the unseating of Jimmy Carter in 1980.

If only everyone in enough numbers had come out and rallied behind him in a fractured democratic party, how much better off the USA would be.

Let's turn Mississippi and everywhere else blue

And the same aid should be given instantly in all 50 states when tragedy occurs. It should be as quick as possible, and rebuilding should be done as quick as possible.
It is in storms where people see tax dollars being used.

(while we my area were spared the 5 feet of snow some in Mass got, we still got 15 inches by Saturday morning, and our local taxes sent the plows in early Saturday and the streets were 100% cleared of any piece of snow at least in our town, which people complain at times in town, of too high taxes (state and property).

But in storms, it shows why they are needed.
More taxes=more services. There is not a person in our town that wasn't during Sandy,
thrilled to see any sign of the government at work during the 9 days power was out.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:19 AM

107. I hope some here take your post to heart and think long and hard.

Not everything needs to be turned into a political, balkanized, polarized issue, and this is where at times the "liberals" and "progressives" here seem to be no better than the conservatives that they mock and criticize every day.

I knew a storm had hit Hattiesburg, but I was not aware it was this bad. I hope you and your friends got through it okay, and you get the help you and your city need in the coming days.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:37 AM

109. Oh my....

I had missed this news completely.

Are your friends okay now? ( by okay I mean are they out of the collapsed buildings?)

~hugs~ What a horrible tragedy.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:55 AM

110. Reptilian vs. mammalian brains

If a reaction to another human being suffering is "that is OTHER, not like me, deserves destruction" then we are seeing the reptilian brain in action. "That is someone like me, could happen to me, deserves help" is a mammalian brain response to others in distress. I know it's an oversimplification and pop psych, but it's the only thing that gives me a handle on the inhumanity of humans.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:10 AM

111. I Hope Everyone in Hattiesburg is Okay

The damage looked bad but no fatalities, thankfully.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:10 AM

112. I'm shocked

Who the hell cares what Hattiesburg folk's politics are? They need our love and support now. No one deserves this.

They and you are in my thoughts and prayers.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:15 AM

113. so sorry you have to endure this nonsense.

yah, sometimes liberals have such a big stick up their asses and they don't even notice because they are hoiyty toiyting over others.

they are easy to spot tho and smell a bit through the keyboard.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:22 AM

114. We don't all think that way

And we are all vulnerable to the destruction of Mother Nature. I blame asshole politicians, not people who are suffering.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:43 AM

115. I'm very sorry for all that's happened

to you, your friends, your university , your state and here. Please know that all of DU isn't South bigoted. Those who are just happen to have the loudest mouths. It's strange how they hold themselves to be the highest quality, most tolerant of progressives, but take every opportunity to bash those of us whose homes are south of the Mason Dixon line.

You DO have support here. I hope things can eventually be restored in your area.

A fellow Southerner.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:47 AM

116. Whether liberal or not,

When someone is hurt or hurting, I am saddened. I hope the community of Hattiesburg feels the support from the rest of the country.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:48 AM

117. The snark here can be a bit much at times.

Prayers and good thoughts for all those suffering in Mississippi!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:05 AM

118. Have relatives in Hattiesburg and have been there many times

Lovely place, nice university. I feel for them.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:36 AM

120. This is what you need


Ignore the bad apples

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:49 AM

121. One of our greatest liberals,

Bill Clinton, is from a red state. We know the value of our red state democrats.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:57 AM

123. K&R. This Is What We Texas DU-ers Put Up With, Constantly. (nt)

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:27 AM

124. Hattiesburg

As an Ohioan, I send my best thoughts and concerns to everyone affected by this storm. I trust that national resources are not held up due to the political obstruction of a few. In times of emergencies such as this we are Americans first, willing to come to the aid of our fellow citizens. This is what I found in the Democratic party and why I am not still a Repiblican. As one person stated during a time of national emergency, our work is to " bind up the nations wounds ".

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:28 AM

125. I'm sorry.

I agree with what you've said:

"And the disconnect I witness from certain liberals here outside of my state is astounding. How can a person who calls himself or herself a liberal be so wrapped up in finding a political point in everything that you have no sense of decency, compassion, etc., that you categorize the worth and pain of people based on how they vote, and that your immediate reaction isn't compassion, but hateful political attacks?

It's just disgusting. And saddening. And hurtful. I have worked so hard along with many of my progressive friends to make this a better place, and I am so tired of progressives and liberals from outside of here looking down on us and attacking us every chance you get. It's no wonder people down here don't give liberals a chance. Because a lot of you spend all your time looking down on us with upturned noses. And your initial reaction to tragedy is hateful, political attacks?"

You call it a disconnect. I call it hypocrisy.

Fortunately, as you can see reading through the link, there are people, on DU and in the real world, that DO care.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:29 AM

126. I was just in Hattiesburg on Saturday.

My father-in-law lives only 1/2 mile from where the tornado touched down. Thankfully he is safe. My thoughts go out to those touched by this. My wife was beside herself until she heard her father was safe. So this really hit close to home for me.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:32 AM

127. My thoughts and sympathies go out to all and thank you

for pointing out what is becoming an all too common pattern here at DU.
When we begin to act in the manners of our opponents we have lost the argument.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:44 AM

128. Don't look at the few idiots

Look at all the people who stepped up to voice support the people of Hattiesburg and called out those insensitive fools.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:23 AM

130. Actually we don't care only about politics

But you need to admit that we cannot continually bless or overlook the sociopathic tendencies of the red state representatives. How do you suggest we make them understand that their actions have consequences? It is pretty common knowledge that, as a general rule, the more a state "takes" from the treasury, the redder it is likely to be. We put up with that as part of life - more goes to the impoverished areas, as it should be. But SOMETHING needs to be done about the partisan hatred that permeates the governance of the men & women who vote against Sandy aid.

Best wishes to all of the decent people affected by the storms. Please think of voting out the psychos next fall.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:31 AM

131. There was a tornado

yesterday? I had no idea.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:37 AM

132. Hyper-partisanship dulls minds, hardens hearts, blinds eyes, kills empathy, and encourages amorality

The only thing that matters is the scoreboard.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:42 AM

133. There is a big resentment of the South because of all of the ignorant Republicans and Bible thumpers

People see Texas and automatically write us all off. There are good Democrats and Progressives here too. It's like racism b/c they have to generalize and lump us all together. Sorry for your college town, it is a very beautiful town! Hang in there, help is coming!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 AM

134. We should always support disaster aid when and where needed.

If we truly cared about our fellow man, politics should never enter into the equation.

It is now raining here in North Carolina, not much wind tho. Last weeks storms were much more intense.

Glad to here that you are safe. Hope your friends are ok as well.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:20 AM

136. As a liberal....

my heart goes out to all who suffered from this tornado...my thoughts are with them.

and know this:

If I were an elected official or person with responsibility for determining who gets how much aide...Hattiesburg would get it in a heartbeat!

because...that's who we are.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:26 AM

137. I'm sorry you are hurting!

I hope your friends are okay. I'm in Tennessee so I also know the destruction and suffering that a tornado can do. One thing about us southerners, we will rebuild and carry on. Hang in there, ashtonelijah!

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:37 AM

138. When the south stops voting in these nut jobs....

and unleashing them on the rest of us.... maybe us "liberals" won't feel contempt for those who elect them.

In the mid to late 1960's I was stationed in the south. I do have some fond memories of that time.

BUT for the most part I remember the racist hatred I observed whenever I left the base. I remember the oft spoken phrase "the south shall rise again" I remember seeing the "rebel flag" flying over the stars and stripes. I remember the social oppression forced on those who had less and had no way to advance.

On my discharge I remember crossing the Mason Dixon Line on my way home to New England and thinking well at least this "damn yankee" was glad to be done with that.

My fond memories pop-up occasionally usually when I'm fishing. I really enjoyed fishing on Lake Santee Cooper. I have thought of going back. Many times I have thought that things surely must have changed in the south in the last 30-40 years. Nothing has changed! NOTHING! Racism and oppression of minorities is still rampant.

Those with power still hate. Those with power in the south still hate all of us damn yankee liberals.

Those with power talk about succession. Here is a news flash this is the United States of America.

If we are united there is nothing we can't overcome. Including natural disasters.

So you need to rid yourselves of the "the earth is 6000 years old"... "there is no evolution"... "there is no climate change"... "the bible says"... "real rape"..... "vaginal probes"... "voter suppression" etc etc ........... f...ing nut jobs and join the 21st century with the rest of the United States.

Having said that. When a hurricane (Sandy) hits the middle eastern coast and their towns, homes and lives are in a shamble we all should help with IMMEDIATE federal relief dollars. When a tornado touches down in Mississippi we all should help with the same federal relief dollars. That is the role of government.



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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #138)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:01 AM

139. I don't know where your from but I know where I was born and raised in NYC I saw racism

That could rival the south that still continues to this day. We pretend we are beyond that but it s our dirty secret. The nypd patrols certain areas more to make sure the lesser know their place. The current and previous mayor try to push the poor and minorities further away and bury them. Let's not kid ourselves that we in the north are better than anyone else.

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #138)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:19 AM

141. Uh, it's not just the south. The north has plenty of nut jobs that are currently holding office.

Unless you don't consider Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Wisconsin, and New York to be northern states.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:18 AM

140. Oh damn, I am sorry you are going through this

On other forums there is a lot of South-bashing that takes place.
And I am sick of it.

I call people out on it every time I see it.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:28 PM

142. implicit racism and classism in the Mississippi-haters

Mississippi is the poorest state (by some measures) and has the highest African-American percentage. One thing I've noticed about liberals here and on other "progressive" forums is that they can go off into tirades of hatred of the Deep South on the basis that if "we" got rid of "them" and "their" poverty and ignorance, what a wonderful rich and progressive country "we" would have.

A lot fewer blacks and Hispanics in their "progressive, prosperous" fantasy America, too.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:50 PM

143. This destruction to your college town is devastating, and I'm sad to hear that people

you refer to as "liberals" have come to say otherwise...

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:59 PM

144. I sympathize with you...

posters should apologize for lumping all southerners into one basket or assuming everyone in the south is ignorant.

I grew up in SC, and I'm pretty ashamed of the way some of my old friends and relatives act when they are racist or doing their tea party things.

On the other hand, there are some really good progressive people in the south and all across this country. I worked for Richard Riley in SC in the early 1980's, and he was a good Democratic governor. SC elected him in 1978 and reelected him for a second term before he became Clinton's Secretary of Education. I discovered that even SC can be "liberal" if the right people step forward.

I'm sure that Mississippi is the same way. If you keep on working, you'll have successes.

No one deserves a disaster, and I'm sorry to hear that some DUer's would be so callous.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:40 PM

146. I'm giving to Portlight today - I understand they are there (or on their way)

Take care.

For those wishing to give to some folks who really understand helping out in weather-related disasters like this:

www.portlight.org



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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:48 PM

147. Hey, I care about zombie movies and RPGs too!

Politics isn't the only thing I care about.

Jokes aside, I hope your loved ones are safe.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:59 PM

148. please don't let the opinions of a few assholes get you down

Most of us care about the people affected by the tragedy. Something like this should be off-limits to politics.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:00 PM

149. .




I'm so sorry.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:33 PM

150. wow

I'm not surprised and I've watched the comments and can only say, there are many mean people in the world and this site is not without some. Yet I must ask you not to judge everyone that frequents this site by the few monsters we have on here. Those people are immature and not able to understand empathy. I pray things turn out well for you and Hattiesburg. That video is pretty amazing. To have to go through that, I couldn't imagine.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

151. So sad for Hattiesburg! Lots of good people there!

Yes, Mississippi has more than its share of assholes. But there are a lot of good folks there too, and I have many good friends there, some in Hattiesburg. A beautiful town! I hope the city recovers and we all pitch in and help.

I used to play a show there twice a year at the Saenger Theater, the USM "Roots Reunion" show broadcast over MPB. Lots of good memories of Hattiesburg!



Bake

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:18 PM

152. I am so sorry this happened

I can't imagine not wanting aid for anyone in this nation that suffers some horror like this. That's what a democracy is about to me.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:22 PM

153. Hugs and love your way

 

I know it would suck if Corvallis got pummeled

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:48 PM

154. My love and prayers to you and your beloved Hattiesburg.

And I have to believe that is how 99% of us feel here at DU. Some people don't think before they post. :hugs:

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:25 PM

156. Sorry to see this, man.

It's always a sad thing when a tornado wreaks havoc on any community, anywhere.

Good luck rebuilding, my friend, and we'll be here for you every step of the way.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:22 PM

157. Love to you and Hattiesburg, ashtonelijah

I often (Too often, frankly) marvel at people who proudly call themselves liberals, and then bash a place they don't even have much real experience with. Isn't part of being 'liberal' Being Open To places/people/things other than What You Know?

I have family, and friends in Mississippi, and it's always Good being in Mississippi, for me. I think more people should actually visit / learn more about places they're not very familiar with, rather than quickly slamming them on online forums. It'd be like me slamming California or NYC because I've never been, and don't know a ton about them -- well, ok, been to NYC for one day: business meetings.

And to those Dawgs fans out there, I get to my sister in law's house in Starkville at least once a year. Great town, great times with family.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:18 PM

159. Sending you love from Kentucky

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:35 PM

161. Too ashamed to defend themselves? Probably, since....

.... there isn't any defense anyway.

Be strong, ashtonelijah! And we're praying for you and your friends.

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Response to ashtonelijah (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:37 PM

162. hi - I might be good to update your post from scratch

it is a bit hard to relate to the headline that now appears on DU - I appreciate your update and I would love a new note with an update showing as the headline and a clear sense of what might be helpful at this point other then donations to the RED CROSS or more local agency - Warm Blessings Jessica

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