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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:47 PM

Report: Ex-Cop Christopher Dorner Is Now a Target for Drones

Report: Ex-Cop Christopher Dorner Is Now a Target for Drones

Christopher Dorner, the ex-LAPD cop who allegedly killed three people has been on the run, successfully evading police, for over a week. To finally track him down, it seems that law enforcement is pulling out all the stops. According to the Express, Dorner is now a target for drones, among the first ever on U.S. soil.

The Express quotes a "senior police source" as having said:

The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, a joint leader of the force tasked with finding Dorner, has confirmed—though not explicitly—and is quoted as saying "We are using all the tools at our disposal." And a third, vague conformation comes from Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio who is quoted as saying the agency is on the "forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement," while declining to elaborate further.

http://gizmodo.com/5983175

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Reply Report: Ex-Cop Christopher Dorner Is Now a Target for Drones (Original post)
The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #1
Denzil_DC Feb 2013 #55
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #2
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #21
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #27
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #34
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #38
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #42
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #53
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #62
FSogol Feb 2013 #3
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #8
onenote Feb 2013 #37
arely staircase Feb 2013 #14
reACTIONary Feb 2013 #22
randome Feb 2013 #23
FSogol Feb 2013 #24
randome Feb 2013 #25
flamingdem Feb 2013 #29
reACTIONary Feb 2013 #28
randome Feb 2013 #30
arely staircase Feb 2013 #48
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #43
FSogol Feb 2013 #47
AndyA Feb 2013 #4
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #5
Catherina Feb 2013 #16
FSogol Feb 2013 #10
HubertHeaver Feb 2013 #13
arely staircase Feb 2013 #15
TomClash Feb 2013 #19
arely staircase Feb 2013 #26
Adsos Letter Feb 2013 #58
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #49
Webster Green Feb 2013 #56
randome Feb 2013 #59
TomClash Feb 2013 #57
AndyA Feb 2013 #39
arely staircase Feb 2013 #40
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #50
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #44
formercia Feb 2013 #6
FSogol Feb 2013 #12
NoPasaran Feb 2013 #45
elehhhhna Feb 2013 #60
FSogol Feb 2013 #61
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #46
LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #7
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #51
frylock Feb 2013 #9
Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #11
Catherina Feb 2013 #17
steve2470 Feb 2013 #18
Amonester Feb 2013 #20
Kalidurga Feb 2013 #31
Amonester Feb 2013 #32
SummerSnow Feb 2013 #33
Kalidurga Feb 2013 #35
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #54
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #52
graham4anything Feb 2013 #36
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #41
davidpdx Feb 2013 #63

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:50 PM

1. Not surprising.

Likely coming from the Border Patrol that operates a fleet of five.

Not justifying it, but this is all but surprising.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:21 PM

55. Nope. Especially since Dorner claims to have anti-aircraft armaments. n/t

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:52 PM

2. Wait until a drone attacks an innocent person.

The cops have already proven their incompetence and disregard for law and public safety. Handing over drones to them will turn into a disaster.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:02 PM

21. I'm going out on a limb and suggesting these would be strictly surveillance drones

Having an armed military drone would violate posse comitatus.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:11 PM

27. If operated by the military, yes.

If operated by FBI or law enforcement possibly not.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:22 PM

34. I doubt that.

You couldn't fly an Army attack helicopter with an FBI agent. It's a military asset bought with money specifically allocated for their resources.

And if Obama were to bless-off on the use of anything like of a Hellfire missile (I think that's what they use) on US soil then we need to demand his impeachment. Personally, I'm of the opinion he'd never do that and I'm grateful for that.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:27 PM

38. No, they can't use assets owned or operated by the military.

But they can purchase assets direct from the manufacturers, or as military surplus. BATF used a tank at Waco. Tampa Police has an ex-military armed personell carrier. This shit is all over the country. Only a matter of time before local law enforcement gets their hands on armed drones.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:45 PM

42. THESE ARE NOT ARMED. Sheesh. Get a grip, people. Do you not know the difference between

war zones abroad and American soil??

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:56 PM

53. YET.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:26 PM

62. In 2002 they were not armed ether

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:53 PM

3. How does looking for him using drones differ from looking for him using helicopters?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:39 PM

8. It doesn't

Thanks for cutting to the reasonable nub of a whole shite-load of hysteria.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:25 PM

37. + the biggest possible number

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:49 PM

14. no pilots are put at risk

by flying in low visibilty conditions.

other than that? nothing.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:05 PM

22. Actually, they are using helicopters...

...one of the news stories I read stated that after the weather calmed down, they were able to start using helicopters equipped with thermal imaging equipment.

My opinion, "drones" have now assumed the status of a "moral panic". They are "evil" regardless of how or what they are used for. Because, because, because... because why? Simply because.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:06 PM

23. Helicopters make a lot of noise. Drones, not so much.

And you're right, it's a 'moral panic' without regard to reality.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:07 PM

24. True on the moral panic. Hope that the next time I get lost in the Cascades, they send

a whole squad of drones to find me.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:09 PM

25. Grovel-bot needs one to send out in cases of lost DUers.

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Response to randome (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:12 PM

29. okay okay

i'll donate

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Response to FSogol (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:11 PM

28. Be sure to bring along a personal locator beacon...

...another example of science and technology serving the public interest!

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:14 PM

30. But it's only a matter of time before personal locator beacons are turned against us!

They can be outfitted with, um, something not nice, that's what! And it's Obama's fault!

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Response to randome (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:50 PM

48. how do you know they haven't already?

because obama says they haven't?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:46 PM

43. IT DOES NOT DIFFER IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:49 PM

47. Glad some people get it at least.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:54 PM

4. I wonder what they'll do if the drones find Dorner

Blast him to bits from high above, like in other countries? If any innocent people are around when it happens and they are killed as well, will that be OK like it is in other countries?

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Response to AndyA (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:57 PM

5. A person is only innocent if they are outside a blast radius

Otherwise they are hanging out with known terrorists.....

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:54 PM

16. or in their vicinity or choose the wrong parents etc... n/t

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Response to AndyA (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:47 PM

10. Blast him to bits with a high tech camera?

They are using spy drones, not armed military drones.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:48 PM

13. Heat-imaging not heat-seeking

No different than using the same technology from a manned helicopter.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:50 PM

15. you know we aren't talking about armed drones, right?

eom

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

19. For now nt

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Response to TomClash (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:10 PM

26. well I suppose "for now" can apply to everything

eom

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:17 PM

58. +1

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Response to TomClash (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:51 PM

49. So, when do you expect LAPD to begin violating posse comitatus with armed drones?

Do tell. Please let me know how they will accomplish this without winding up in the Hague.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:26 PM

56. Same way that Cheney, Rumsfeld, the chimp and a lot of others escaped facing war crimes.

If you are powerful enough, laws do not apply to you.

If everyone who belonged in the Hague were taken there, the place would be mighty busy lately.

BTW, I'm not all freaked about drones, just answering your question.

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Response to Webster Green (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:50 PM

59. And the rich and powerful are in the LAPD?

I get your point, though. And you are right. I just don't think it applies to the Dorner manhunt.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:59 PM

57. First . . .

I am not singling out the LAPD. It could be any PD.

Bush, Cheney and many others never wound up in The Hague. In fact, how many Americans have ever wound up there? I can't think of any, can you?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:34 PM

39. As far as we know they aren't armed.

Of course, the government tells us everything, so we would know.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:38 PM

40. I am sure of very few things

but I would be willing to bet my house that the drones being used to look for this guy are not armed. first of all, why would they be? Let us say they have missiles on them, how would that benefit the government in any way?

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Response to AndyA (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:52 PM

50. Recon drones are physically very different from armed drones.

And it's quite illegal for police to purchase military hardware like armed drones. If it weren't, we all know they'd have a shitload of air-to-ground missiles mounted on LAPD helicopters, and they'd be using them, lol.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:48 PM

44. Police drones in the US are NOT ARMED.

Just stop with this crap.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:08 PM

6. I have a feeling this will end badly

Luckily, it's not Summer, when all the Hikers and Tourists are out and about. I wonder how many innocent civilians will be killed.

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Response to formercia (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:48 PM

12. How will a drone carrying a thermal imaging camera kill tourists?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:48 PM

45. It could take their picture, thus stealing their souls

CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:54 PM

60. if it's a tall tourist the drone might hit him



perhaps in the temple, killing him immediately

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:14 PM

61. Ahhh, just like Aeschylus.

Killed when a bird dropped a tortoise on his head.

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Response to formercia (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:49 PM

46. Get a fucking grip. Police drones are NOT ARMED.

The US is not Afghanistan. We are not a foreign war zone.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:37 PM

7. If this continues

we will all eventually be considered targets for drones.

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:54 PM

51. We are already surveillance targets. In public, no one has any expectation of privacy anymore.

Armed drones aren't coming; tanks in the streets aren't coming; nukes against red states aren't coming.

Get. A. Grip.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:43 PM

9. i don't think this guy is anywhere near the san bernardino mountains..

he is playing these fools like a damn Stradivarius.

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Response to frylock (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:47 PM

11. I agree.

 

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Response to frylock (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:54 PM

17. I think so too n/t

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Response to frylock (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

18. agreed nt

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Response to frylock (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:56 PM

20. I predict a movie will be made out of this mess and...

many of my fellow Extra workers will cash in some work-related paycheck(s).

Just examining the possible positive side of it not to depress completely...

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Response to Amonester (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:15 PM

31. Script is already in the works, count on it.

It's practically writing itself.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:18 PM

32. As long as they won't use their 'Empire Strikes Back' drones yet, I guess we'll be

ok

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:21 PM

33. LL Cool J will play Dorner.They look alike.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:23 PM

35. I was thinking The Rock...

LL Cool J would be good too.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:56 PM

54. Nah. LL Cool J will be shot by LAPD next. Hope he is laying low.

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Response to frylock (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:55 PM

52. Yep. He left a gun and some survival gear in the truck just to play with the cops.

I think he has another vehicle and a hideout and is biding his time.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:23 PM

36. OBL wasn't laughing anymore when they finally got him. Neither was Tim McVeigh.

 

I decided to look up the word terror and when I googled terror definition this came up

Noun
1.Extreme fear: "people fled in terror"; "a terror of darkness".
2.The use of such fear to intimidate people, esp. for political reasons: "weapons of terror".

Synonyms
horror - dread - fright - fear - panic - dismay - scare


Dorner is causing people terror, horror, dread, fright, fear, panic, dismay, scare.
A person who causes terror is a terrorist.
Matters little if its one person or a group.

Murder is murder.

Why people idolized Bonnie and Clyde, Al Capone and any criminal I don't know.

I usually back minorities who are victims or victiminzed.
HOWEVER, i don't see anything in the last few days to indicate Mr. Dorner is a victim.

He is victimizing others.
In this story, Dorner is Zimmerman and the people he killed are Mr. Martin.
I don't see any difference.

As for the collateral damage, well, yeah, blame the victims is always a good tactic.
Everyone who was hurt is a direct cause/effect from Mr. Dorner.

All the other issues may be 100% true. But 100% true is, he is a killer of human beings.

Question-
Did Frank Serpico kill cops to stop corruption?
If Mr. Dorner had these allegations, why didn't he go to someone higher.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:42 PM

41. here's why the border patrol guy didn't want to 'elaborate'...

Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio who is quoted as saying the agency is on the "forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement," while declining to elaborate further.

Like the government's highly controversial foreign program of hunter-killer drones, it is becoming apparent that the DHS drone operations also deserve urgent public and congressional scrutiny. But not so much because national or international laws are being violated, US citizens targeted, or anyone is being hunted down and killed by these drones - at least thus far. Mostly the DHS drone program needs to be subjected to full transparency and accountability because it's been such a bust - an enormous waste of money.

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This report, while limited to the shocking management failures of CBP, hints at the more serious underlying problems, like the lack of strategic directions and the dubious achievements of the drone operations of agency's Office of Air and Marine (OAM).

Predators Quickly Adapted for Border Security

The homeland security drone program, directed by a retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Michael Kostelnik (who played a key role in developing the armed Predator drone used for so-called "hunter-killer" missions overseas, deploys a fleet of highly expensive Predators on the nation's borders. The unarmed Predators, produced for border duty by General Atomics, cost $18.5 million to $20.5 million apiece, not counting the hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts for General Atomics to operate and maintain the homeland drones.

Flush with billions of dollars in post-9/11 funding for "border security," DHS hurriedly launched the campaign to patrol the borders - north and south - with these Predators. In the rush to secure the homeland, DHS trampled over due-diligence standards to speed through orders for the drones, pilots and crews supplied by General Atomics.

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CBP boasted in December 20111 that drone operations contributed to 7,500 apprehensions of illegal border crossers and 46,600 pounds of marijuana.

The 7,500 "criminal aliens" that the Border Patrol detained are small potatoes when compared to CBP's overall number of detentions since 2005 - 5.7 million immigrants, including the 327,000 detained in 2011. Expressed as a percentage, this amounts to only .001 percent of those detained during that period.

While categorized by CBP as "dangerous people" because they have crossed the border illegally, mostly they are simply unauthorized immigrants, although a small number are marijuana backpackers.

To give some perspective to the drug haul attributed to UAV surveillance over six years - 46,600 pounds of marijuana - CBP on average seizes 3,500 pounds of marijuana every day in Arizona, making a seizure every 1.7 hours. Drones had a role in the seizure of less than one percent of the Border Patrol's total marijuana in the past six years - only .003 percent to be precise.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/14239-predator-drones-stalk-us-borders-without-budget-or-strategy

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:32 PM

63. Not that I'm rooting for this maniac

but it would be interesting if he shot down one of the drones.

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