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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:40 PM

I Say Dorner is already a suicide.

Mebbe in the woods. Mebbe they won't find him till the spring thaw.

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Reply I Say Dorner is already a suicide. (Original post)
cliffordu Feb 2013 OP
flamingdem Feb 2013 #1
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #3
R B Garr Feb 2013 #12
Occulus Feb 2013 #57
R B Garr Feb 2013 #66
X_Digger Feb 2013 #4
cliffordu Feb 2013 #5
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
russspeakeasy Feb 2013 #8
flamingdem Feb 2013 #9
rightsideout Feb 2013 #18
Still Sensible Feb 2013 #10
msanthrope Feb 2013 #11
rightsideout Feb 2013 #13
tama Feb 2013 #14
jaysunb Feb 2013 #15
cliffordu Feb 2013 #17
jaysunb Feb 2013 #22
cliffordu Feb 2013 #25
jaysunb Feb 2013 #41
cliffordu Feb 2013 #42
longship Feb 2013 #21
jaysunb Feb 2013 #23
longship Feb 2013 #27
jaysunb Feb 2013 #38
longship Feb 2013 #45
PasadenaTrudy Feb 2013 #67
LisaL Feb 2013 #31
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #16
lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #24
LisaL Feb 2013 #28
JI7 Feb 2013 #19
dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #20
LisaL Feb 2013 #26
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #29
ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #30
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #32
cliffordu Feb 2013 #35
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #36
LisaL Feb 2013 #40
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #54
GObamaGO Feb 2013 #33
beevul Feb 2013 #34
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #37
winstars Feb 2013 #58
jaysunb Feb 2013 #43
BainsBane Feb 2013 #39
arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #44
dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #46
cliffordu Feb 2013 #47
Bonobo Feb 2013 #53
cliffordu Feb 2013 #55
Bonobo Feb 2013 #59
cliffordu Feb 2013 #60
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #48
LisaL Feb 2013 #51
ohheckyeah Feb 2013 #49
Dash87 Feb 2013 #50
jonthebru Feb 2013 #52
ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #56
TheMightyFavog Feb 2013 #61
cliffordu Feb 2013 #62
davidpdx Feb 2013 #63
malaise Feb 2013 #64
OwnedByCats Feb 2013 #65

Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:41 PM

1. They'll find him with the heat seeking devices

imo

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:41 PM

2. Let's hope.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:42 PM

3. I'd be really surprised if he did that.

He's a survivor.

And a fighter...

Even if he did that, they'd find him before the spring thaw. Our winters aren't that harsh.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:51 PM

12. With that manifesto and his package to CNN

it does seem like he has more to do and more planned. He knows how LE will react, and it seems like he's staying a step ahead of them and leading them to strategic points and conclusions. Definitely seems purposeful still.

He might of course have suicide as an option, but nothing has cornered him yet that would make him employ that option. Yet. IMHO.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:07 AM

57. That isn't at all what he's implying.

Read between the lines.

He's saying he's either been, or will be, suicided.

Big difference.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:44 AM

66. Oh, "suicided" by the cops?

No doubt!

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:43 PM

4. If so, they'll have the evil version of 'Elvis' sightings until then.

But instead of showing up in the National Enquirer, it'll be a swat team of LAPD numbnuts shooting up the place.

*sigh*

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:44 PM

5. Yep.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:44 PM

6. I don't think so. I think he's a man with a plan.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:44 PM

7. Nope, but he's still driving this bus

He's using the training to run the bus and force LAPD to react.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:46 PM

8. I don't think so. I think he is too self centered. Looking for

a couple more headlines.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:46 PM

9. CNN guest saying he's no sniper and has no special training

so this follows the other exaggerations being made.

LAPD just wants to feel less responsible for their scattershot behavior.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:57 PM

18. I heard that CNN report

The sniper experts seem to downplay Dormer's(sp?) marksmanship abilities since he was in the Reserves but I wouldn't count on it. He served in the Navy and was trained to fire weapons. He's already killed three people. He's a pretty formidable foe.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:49 PM

10. I would be very surprised

Strikes me as a guy that has made a decision to take down as many on his hit list as possible. Suicide by cop is what he is expecting... by his own hand? I doubt it.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:49 PM

11. Not yet. nt

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:52 PM

13. If he's frozen

Can they still find him with a heat seeking device?

But I imagine the guy has survival skills being in the Navy.

This could end up similar to that guy who shot Vircaci.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:52 PM

14. Ex-military

 

Dorner was in the Navy and is trained in counterinsurgency and intelligence, the source said.


Searched for info on his military background, didn't find much else.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:53 PM

15. I seriously doubt he was at Big Bear when they found the truck

I'm betting he had a motorcycle on the back of the truck, parked on the edge and detonated it once he was further down the mountainside.
Motorcycle helmets can be big and cover everything. A leather riding suit and a remote hide out stocked to last for awhile would provide cover for quite awhile.
Let's not forget, he has been planning this for several years and his military training gives him the right skills to pull it off. He can sit back and bide his time to pick off his targets at will.

You may think I'm re creating some sort of movie, but this guy is very smart , determined and angry. The cops are in a panic and know that he is capable of out smarting them for a long time to come.

Unfortunately, he aint suicidal.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:56 PM

17. I hope you are wrong.

And that isn't him at the door.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:05 AM

22. Ok....

But let me be clear, I don't approve or condone his actions in any shape or form. I've read the manifesto and it leaves a sad, bitter taste in my mouth, but I STILL think he's has done all the wrong things to be heard.

And BTW, showing up at MY door would be the same as suicide.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:16 AM

25. I hear ya.

But I haven't aimed at anything animated for over 40 years.

Couple of plinking sessions in the early '90s

No taste for it.

I wonder if a naked fat man with a really big knife would deter him....

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:41 AM

41. I guess scaring the SOB to death would work as well as any thing else !

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:45 AM

42. Well, we all have to do our part....

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:04 AM

21. Probably not a motorcycle.

Those mountain roads can be terrible in winter, and the long, sweeping road down to the valley would be f*cking crazy in the snow and traffic on a cycle. Plus, above certain altitudes in some places it's often a chains only rule when it's snowing.

They don't want cars sliding over cliffs.

But he might have planted another car up there earlier. Just speculating.

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Response to longship (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:07 AM

23. People are always riding bikes up there no matter the weather.

The roads were clear yesterday and there was no need for chains.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:17 AM

27. Thanks.

I lived in the valley there ten years (Ontario, in the shadow of Mt. San Antonio, AKA Mt. Baldy). A few winters my wife and I couldn't make our regular visits to Baldy Village because of restrictions. But we'd often go up there for cocktails, dinner, and dancing.

We'd go to Big Bear once in a while, too. It's a lovely place, although a bit gentrified for my taste.

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Response to longship (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:37 AM

38. I don't go up very often these days, but

a group of us used to rent a house in Running Springs, and a couple of the guys used to ride their bikes up in very nasty weather....even though it was required for those of us w/ some sense (LOL) to put chains on.

As to Big Bear, I was going to take my wife there for an anniversary weekend but they were asking waaay too much for what they were offering, hell, I could have rented a nice A-frame chalet for the same price.....went to Vegas instead.

from Pasadena.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:08 AM

45. Back at ya!

from Manistee National Forest, MI.

Up to my kiester in snow right now. Waiting for the snow plows; stranded until then. Plenty of food and wine in the meantime. I'll suffer through.

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:51 AM

67. Hey Pasadena!

South Pasadena checking in Born at Huntington Hospital, been here ever since!

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Response to jaysunb (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:19 AM

31. I think he is still there. His truck broke.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:56 PM

16. He doesnt seem like the suicide type

This guy thinks he's on a crusade.

He would rather go out in a shootout.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:09 AM

24. Maybe he IS on a crusade.....

 

Maybe he is concerned about Drone strikes that kill innocent human beings?

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:17 AM

28. SO he allegedly killed three innocent human beings?

Makes total sense.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:02 AM

19. he seems too full of himself to do it at least at this point

if he does commit suicide i see it more as happening at some point where the cops pretty much will get him and he doesn't want to give them that.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:03 AM

20. I think that the truck is a diversion or he's trying to lure police into an ambush

 

They reported he might have a 50 caliber weapon. He might've stashed weapons and provisions in advance to ambush his pursuers.

Also, thermal imaging isn't all seeing. If he's under a thick blanket or in a dug in position, he wont be visible.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:16 AM

26. No way.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:18 AM

29. I have not been paying much attention to this because of the storm, but from what i heard

I do not think he would want to be taken alive.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:18 AM

30. I hope you're right!

Less worry for the family members of those involved. Although that's hard for me to say, on edit, as a suicide awareness advocate, I would rather see less people injured/dead at this point.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:22 AM

32. I think you're probably right. Time has a way of making one contemplate what they've done.

He killed people who weren't even remotely connected to what he saw at the moment as being the cause of his problems. Time is no man's friend. Time has been and will forever be the enemy not only because it kills us all in the end but also because it becomes a magnifying glass through which we are forced to look at our own pasts. At some point, he will begin to question himself. He's alone. He won't like the answers to the questions his mind formulates. No one will speak up and say "Hey Chris, you're not so bad." He'll begin to stew in his own juices and at some point he'll notice they're bitter and unpalatable. Then he'll eat a bullet to get away from the absolute horror and badness of his actions.

His smile belies a person who at times could be jolly and carefree. Funny how often that becomes no more than a mask of the badness that hides inside.

I would rather hear he died by his own hand than see a confrontation between him and the law that ends in a fuzzed picture of his death on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and a host of other networks who hope to benefit from the footage.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:24 AM

35. He killed the DAUGHTER of one of his 'enemies'

that smells of coward all the way.

Cowards commit suicide in this situation IMNSHO

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:29 AM

36. Oh I totally agree.

Time will be his enemy because the longer he has to live with that fact, the heavier the burden it becomes.

In my mind, it's the best resolution. Would that he did it in such a way that didn't involve others putting their own safety on the line looking for his sorry ass. My neck of the woods isn't the most forgiving place, especially in inclement weather.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:39 AM

40. I don't beleive there is any way he is going to kill himself.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:03 AM

54. This is some mighty eloquent and wise writing. I wish to hell I could rec your response. I hope

 

you will consider elaborating on its themes and fashioning an OP.

My compliments for your insights.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:23 AM

33. Burning out his truck was a diversion

He had planned to be long gone from the mountains by the time they found the truck. The end of the road is probably fairly soon for him, but it will end ugly.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:23 AM

34. He was long gone before they ever got to his truck.

One does not set fire to a vehicle, an obvious attention drawning act - without a plan.

It was a deliberate misdirection, imo. "hey, look over here".

Hes long gone, biding his time, letting lapd stew, and hopeing they'll turn on each other - assuming theres any truth to his claims about lapd - and it "feels" like theres at least some truth to it.

Not that it excuses his actions any.

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Response to beevul (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:36 AM

37. According to the scanner records, his truck was reported to be "smoldering" at approx 9:30.

Cal Fire got to the scene at 9:48 and the fire was out... the truck was indeed smoldering. Who knows what time the fire started? No one but him. The truck was in a place where only those with a direct line of sight to its location could have seen it. At that time of night, or morning as it were, there wouldn't have been a single person looking... forget that there are no homes with line of sight and that it was on the south side of the mountain where it wouldn't have been seen by ANYONE in Bear Valley which is on the north side.

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Response to beevul (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:46 AM

43. +1 nt

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:38 AM

39. He strikes me as the suicide by cop type

wants to go out in a blaze of glory.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:46 AM

44. I would agree, he seems too narcissistic for

suicide.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:08 AM

46. He's already gone up against three cops

 

I don't think its going to end quietly.

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Response to dizbukhapeter (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:12 AM

47. He AMBUSHED three cops

Any coward can do that.

And he killed the daughter of one of another, if I read this shitstorm correctly.

Only a coward does that, too.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:03 AM

53. Cowardly yes, but less cowardly than unleashing a hail of bullets on those poor two Latina ladies.

Now THAT was cowardly AND inept.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:04 AM

55. And you are COMPLETELY FUCKING RIGHT

about that.

Those fucking idiots need to go to jail for attempted murder.

( Just because we agree on this don't mean I'm trying to butter you up.)

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:12 AM

59. It had to happen eventually. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:13 AM

60. Yep.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:16 AM

48. He doesn't strike me as the suicide type

Either he will eventually surrender, if he can, or will go out in a firefight with cops.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:32 AM

51. I don't believe surrendering is a part of his plan.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:29 AM

49. You could be right by I don't

think he's done yet.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:30 AM

50. It would be even weirder if he pulled a D.B. Cooper.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:50 AM

52. When they found his truck burning

they said there was no indication of any tracks leading away. I bet he had assistance and is miles away from there watching on TV.

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:06 AM

56. I have read that there were tracks leading into the woods that trackers then lost...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

snip-

Leads have taken police from Los Angeles to San Diego to Las Vegas to Big Bear Lake, where police found the charred carcass of Dorner's gray pickup. Police had found no trace of him Friday, the San Bernadino County sheriff said. Trackers lost footprints believed to be Dorner's in a wooded area near the truck.

-snip

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:51 AM

61. Is it possible Dorner went through SERE training during his time in the Navy?

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Response to TheMightyFavog (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:09 AM

62. Could be, but SERE is escape and evasion for a very short time

For days.....mebbe a week with a cache.

If he's holed up he is a static target and he will be found. (incidentally, that's the problem with doomsday preppers)

If he's mobile, he's fucked. he cannot defend himself for long..you can carry only so much ammo and food and beer.

Going in and out of a hidey hole to "hunt" the LAPD will reveal him soon enough. the media has his picture and you'd better believe every gas station and 7-11 clerk has his photo.

And everyone has to stop for gas.

But I think he's gone.

Who knows. Mebbe the LAPD suicided him up there in the snow. In the spring, when they "find" the body, everyone can claim he took his own life. Easy peasy.

In the mean time it's "terra terra terra"

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:56 AM

63. I think that's a strong possibility after he completes whatever grudge match he's looking

to even the score on, but before he is in custody. If you think about the strategy, it would make sense for him to do that because he makes the LAPD look even more incompetent not being able to catch him.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:12 AM

64. Agreed n/t

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:34 AM

65. In his manifesto

he seems to believe he will die soon. I'm not entirely sure why he thinks this, I imagine he's either going to commit suicide upon completely finishing his goal or he expects the cops to shoot him when they catch up to him. He mentioned wanting his brain analysized for physical effects of severe depression on the brain. He also talks about not being around to see shark week and The Hangover 3, amongst other things.

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