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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:18 AM

Something about this pic is a little disturbing



An attorney representing two women who were delivering newspapers when they were shot by police during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer called the incident "unacceptable," saying his clients looked nothing like the suspect.

Emma Hernandez, 71, was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance on Thursday morning when Los Angeles police detectives apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.

Hernandez, who attorney Glen T. Jonas said was shot twice in the back, was in stable condition late Thursday. Carranza received stitches on her finger.


"The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:24 AM

1. "We're gonna need more numbers" n/t

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:25 AM

2. I'm speechless.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:26 PM

141. On edit, it's truck not a van - which I read it was.

Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

It looked like a mini-van to me, but I've been helped further below. What a mess.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #141)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:38 PM

155. Yes it is....

It is a Toyota Tacoma, kind of hard to tell from the camera angle; it looks from the pic a little like a mini-van but actually it is a pickup.

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Response to IowaGuy (Reply #155)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:45 PM

156. Oh? I thought it was a mini-van and someone on another thread called it one. I'll edit that.. But

haven't they already found the truck in question and it's no longer running?

They need to remove their alert on blue trucks since that's not what he's driving. Last I heard, he may be in NV, AZ or in Mexico, possibly in a white car.

Thanks for the personal report. This story is really hard to follow. Frankly, I'm glad I'm not down there with all this panic. If you're down that way - well, I'd say to take it safe but that doesn't seem like it applied in this case.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:27 AM

3. The detectives who did this should lose their guns and the right to be on the street.

At a minimum.

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:32 AM

12. I must say..

I think they should be charged with murder. At least criminally negligent homicide.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:33 AM

14. I don't think anyone was killed, were they?

But, yeah, a lawsuit or two should be in the works, too.

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Response to randome (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:18 PM

45. No one was killed, but yes, a lawsuit should go forward

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Response to randome (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:25 PM

47. My bad. I thought this was where the lady was killed.

Thank you for the correction.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:29 PM

50. So horrible, has the elderly women died?

last time I checked she was intensive care

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:35 PM

53. No. My post was in error.

I would edit it but it was clearly called out for its error in the following post. If I did an edit the following posts would make no sense.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:38 PM

57. trigger happy keystone cops

the poor woman was delivering the LA times, I had read she had been shot 3 times in the back.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:11 PM

147. Attemted murder would be more appropriate. nt

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:15 PM

133. Why are you worshiping Dorner?

 



In all seriousness, I think they should be in jail for life

And the LAPD needs an enema

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Response to Taverner (Reply #133)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:02 PM

181. LAPD needs a habanero salsa enema.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #181)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:01 PM

202. They need target practice.

News reported bullets went into houses, trees, other cars, not to mention the many that hit the pickup flap.

Also they could use eyeglasses, apparently, to tell the difference between a blue pick and a grey SUV, and 2 slight Aisian women from a man who is "black, 6 feet tall and weighing 270 pounds."

PLUS: About 25 minutes after the shooting, Torrance police opened fire after spotting another truck similar to Dorner's at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street. No one was reported hurt.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #181)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:04 PM

205. OUCH! eom

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Response to randome (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:34 AM

191. Why? Aren't the women just collateral damage?

Are not the officers acting in good faith on the best available information? Sure, errors are made, but please bear in mind that the police on tracking a very dangerous individual who no doubt plans to kill many more people, a terrorist, if you will, and the police should do everything in their power to stop him.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:27 AM

4. Jesus. "Disturbing" is putting it mildly. What is going on out there? n/t

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:12 PM

43. Too many Republican cops who hate Latinos. That's what's going on

out here. But these Republican cops aren't going to sit back and allow their wrongheaded party to lost without a fight.

They're sore they lost complete power in our great state and know it's because of Latinos voting for Democrats. I guess they believe they should cut down the Latino population so the GOP can get back into power in our state as well as the U.S. Congress since it will be a cold day in hell before a Latino will vote Republican here.

Risking a call out that I'm a , this is what I believe is going on here. It's only getting worse and worse. Cops are really getting out of hand.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:31 PM

51. +1

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:48 PM

64. And we know they're republicans how? They were just trigger happy idiots from no specific party!

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:15 PM

79. Uhhhh, simple...

 

1. They're pigs, so 90% chance they are rethugs

2.They're out to murder minorities, so again they are rethugs

3. They are acting like scared little bitches, rethug quality 3

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:21 PM

85. And they are probably addicted to

all the shoot 'em up TeeVee shows and movies too.

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:19 PM

120. Can you document any of those idiotic and irrational statements?

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Response to George II (Reply #120)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:18 AM

194. They are well documented.

 

Ask the two latina women clinging to dear life if any of my statements are untrue. To be fair, they apply to pigs in general, but LAPD is particularly wound up.

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #194)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:18 AM

196. So these statement of yours:

1. They're pigs, so 90% chance they are rethugs

2.They're out to murder minorities, so again they are rethugs

3. They are acting like scared little bitches, rethug quality 3


were just pulled out of your ass, huh?

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Response to George II (Reply #196)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:59 PM

211. Sounds like you're apologizing for them attempting to murder two innocent latina women.

 

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #211)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:04 PM

215. Nope - I addressed that in an earlier post. You still have some credibility building, however.

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Response to George II (Reply #215)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:15 AM

221. Hmmm, my credibility is intact. How about yours?

 

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:05 PM

183. Little bitches? Drop the sexist crap. n/t

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Response to Spryguy (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:20 PM

222. In light of today's mistaken identity shooting, how does your point 2 apply?

Today Torrance police (NOT LA police) shot at a white man. Still out to murder minorites?

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:29 PM

91. They are LAPD thugs, so it's a pretty safe assumption that they are repukes at the least

and teabaggers or christofascists at the worst. Our cops here are EXTREMELY conservative, and they lean racist.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #91)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:01 PM

112. Pardon my ignorance . . . is there a union? Repugs pretty much keep their own employed. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #112)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:04 PM

182. There is a union. LAPD RWers like a union that benefits THEM -

I'm sure they hate them for anyone else, though.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #182)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:10 PM

206. Yep. In fact, they believe no one else other than them, have a right

to be represented by a union. That's because they believe themselves to be god's gift to society and all others are trash. That's the attitude they have.

Back in October, my 21-year-young daughter got pulled over in West Covina for nothing. The nearly-off-duty cop stopped her by a stoplight where she was waiting, and he walks all macho up to the door and says, "Good thing I wasn't yet off duty." He totally confused her.

The circumstance? She was waiting at a red stoplight about to make a right turn (allowed in California) when the dickless wonder of a cop gets out of his squad and saunters over to her before giving her a moving violation citation! She wasn't even moving! This fucker said that she was "endangering pedestrians" who were, get this, standing approximately a yard away from the curb with their backs to the street.

He gave her a $298 dollar ticket but told her she had two months before she would get a court date. Never came. AND he lied because guess what? She suddenly got a letter one week after New Year's Day stating that she had to go to court and pay a $998 dollar bail for not showing up to a court date she never received!

Her license was "put on hold" with the DMV until she paid at least a portion of the bail ($480) and now she has a court date in October. She will appear in court all right - with her attorney, and she's getting that $480 back, but she did have to pay it up front.

LAPD cops are DICKS and they're racist down to the bone. More than enough examples of that caught on video (not counting the Rodney King incident). They have zero scruples. They happily lie under oath, pretend they're under attack at a peaceful Latino wedding (caught on tape) and beat the living daylights out of elderly Latino members who DARE ask them why they're being manhandled while they have a partner call in telling dispatch that they're the ones under attack!

And this is what we pay high taxes in CA for - to be beaten down at the whim of any LAPD cop with a chip on his shoulder.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

78. +1, n/t

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:41 PM

124. This is profoundly stupid.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you have en extremely warped vision of how things actually work.

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Response to dorkulon (Reply #124)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:34 PM

144. I actually LIVE here and Latinos are pulled over MORE than Caucasians. I know

what I'm talking about. You probably believe they don't have quotas to fulfill every month, either, do you?

Gullible.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #144)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:25 AM

190. And from that you get intentionally murdering an old lady?

If you don't see how nuts that sounds I can't help you.

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Response to dorkulon (Reply #190)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:57 AM

201. Like I said, and I'll repeat . . .

to not believe that our LAPD cops are not corrupt is nothing short of gullible - and that's being generous and nice. It's clear you have NO idea what they do here. NONE. ZILCH. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not Latino so I guess you'll never know, will you?

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #201)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:59 PM

210. It's amazing how much you know about me.

Are you psychic, or just very presumptuous?

I know the LAPD is corrupt. You don't have to live there to hear about these things. What you're suggesting is just murder. I don't buy it and your general animosity does nothing to convince me.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:05 PM

212. While that may be true - it doesn't apply in this case

Last edited Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

They overreacted to the Dorner situation.

Your conclusion is incoherent.

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Response to BellaLuna (Reply #212)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:35 PM

213. Yeah, it actually does apply in this case.

Your conclusion is wishful thinking unless, of course, you're psychic.

My conclusion is based upon the horrendous reputation of being racist bigots and the widespread corruption within the LAPD and the officers' outrageous claim that they had mistaken these two Latino women for a big, bald black man, Dorner.

But, if it makes you feel better to believe that it was an honest mistake by seasoned cops . . . go for it. I'd rather not give them the benefit of the doubt unless the two women had been Caucasian. Otherwise, they don't get a pass from me who has seen too many cops pull over Asians and Latinos for driving while brown even as white boys in Dodge Chargers roar by.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #213)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:51 PM

214. Where the fuck did I say it was honest mistake?

They fucking over reacted out of hysteria and fear. They freaked out when they saw a truck like Dorners at a house that he was targeting.

Their police work FAILED on every level possible and they should be relieved of duty because of it.

THIS INCIDENT WAS NOT BASED ON THE COLOR OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CAR BUT THE CAR ITSELF IN THIS CASE!!!!

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Response to BellaLuna (Reply #214)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:00 PM

217. I never CLAIMED you said it was an honest mistake.

Reread my post before you lose it again.

Here, lemme help you:

"But, if it makes you feel better to believe that it was an honest mistake by seasoned cops . . ."

Clear now?

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #217)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:11 PM

218. good try..

fail

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Response to BellaLuna (Reply #218)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:33 AM

220. Naw.

Checkmate.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:31 PM

94. The women were delivering papers

Threw a paper to a house being guarded by LAPD since the residents were among those threatened by Christopher Dorner. Dorner was reported to be driving a blue or gray truck - the women were driving a blue truck.

In the middle of the night the officers guarding the house saw a truck similar to the description of the suspect's, and object thrown out of the truck, and the truck driving away. Not surprising that they reacted, but they over reacted by firing on the truck without making an attempt to identify who the occupants of the vehicle were.

Dorner was already named a suspect in the murder of the daughter of a retired LAPD captain and her fiance; had already shot three police officers in two different incidents, killing one and severely injuring another. He's named a long list of LAPD officers and their families as targets. He's a qualified sniper and may have explosives.

LAPD is justifiably paranoid and are stretched in trying to guard families of their fellow officers while also trying to protect themselves. But they are handling it badly. The incident with the newspaper delivery women is not the only one. Another vehicle was rammed and the driver shot at through his windshield just because it was a truck that superficially matched the suspect's - neither truck in those two incidents was of the same make as the suspect's.

http://timelines.latimes.com/statewide-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer/

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Response to csziggy (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:04 PM

138. Don't give a flying fuck. May explain. DOES NOT EXCUSE!

 

NOT FUCKING JUSTIFIABLE! Understandable perhaps, but can't be justified with a kerning tool the size of Manhattan.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:06 PM

146. I agree with your post. I don't believe there was evil intent on the part of the LAPD in

shooting the women.

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Response to lumpy (Reply #146)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:24 PM

172. Of course there was evil intent

They shot first. They have NO intention of apprehending the suspect. They are out on a hunting spree as well.

God help that 71 yr old woman if she looks like a 275 lb African American bald man!

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Response to xxqqqzme (Reply #172)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:04 PM

204. Exactly! These cop-apologists infesting this thread seem to forget

that salient and glaring fact. I guess they're too busy conjuring excuses to dismiss this incident as just another honest mistake of mistaken identity.

God help us that our citizens are so cowed that they can't, for the life of them, believe that cops in the LAPD are no less vicious and corrupt as the criminals they're supposed to apprehend and protect us from - and why they so deeply hate attorneys at law who go after them.

Thank god my daughter works for two very influential attorneys who practice, among other specialties, criminal law.

As I've stated over and over again on this MB and others, the only rights we have as citizens are the ones attorneys protect in a court of law. Our rights without them aren't worth the paper they've been written on unless you either have attorney acquaintances or attorney friends who will help you pro bono OR if you can afford an attorney to represent you. Otherwise, we're shit out of luck.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:19 PM

171. "justifiably paranoid"????

No. There is NO justification for this. Police officers are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS, not fucking paranoid assholes who go off half cocked. I'm sorry, but there are 10 million people in the greater LA metro area. 10 million! Do you have any idea how many "blue or gray" trucks there are????? This is not Grover's Corners. LAPD can't just shoot the fuck out of every blue or gray truck on the basis that it "might" be Dorner. I'm appalled.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:29 AM

5. I hope they own Jennifer Anniston's cottage by the end

of next week. The make, model and color of the truck were wrong too.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:09 AM

188. Didn't know what you meant at first...

I hope they own Jennifer Anniston's cottage by the end

...now I do.





http://www.frontdoor.com/buy/tour-jennifer-anistons-beverly-hills-home-for-sale/pictures/pg114

Nicht schlecht. And it's for sale!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:29 AM

6. What's that in the air?

Do I smell lawsuit?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:30 AM

7. Good guys with guns! Thanks for keeping us all safe. m/t

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:52 PM

106. This. ^^^

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:30 AM

8. Did "ALL" the rounds hit the van or ....hmmm n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:38 AM

16. A few hit the exterior of one of the houses in the cul de sac, according to KCAL 9 - n/t

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:47 PM

62. Oh shit no, they missed plenty.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:20 PM

83. Doesn't seem they value accuracy much.

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Response to siligut (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:31 PM

96. They were scared.

Well, I take that back. Part of me assumes they shot wild in fear, but they shot the vehicle from behind, so this might be a wild predator-prey response.

Whatever it was, training went out the window when it started.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #96)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:13 PM

130. You know, I get the predator-prey response

Yes, training went out the window and that tells me training was poor.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #96)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:37 AM

186. They Were Out for Blood

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:30 AM

9. A few bad apples no doubt n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:28 PM

90. A bushel, at least.

And to continue with the theme, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree....

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:10 PM

151. 90% of cops...

give the rest a bad name.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:30 AM

10. Not even the same make or color truck: Dorner drives a grey Nissan Titan. That's a blue Toyota.

Do we need more proof there are far too many crazy, incompetent fools with guns? That's just the nuts with badges. . .

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Response to leveymg (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:21 PM

84. The scary part is these guys had been PROMOTED to Detective! What does that say about

the rank and file officers?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:32 AM

11. Rampart 2...

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:33 AM

13. That is crazy and these people are considered safe to be armed?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:36 AM

15. Southern California is now effectively without police protection

 

Gun control fanatics and cop-haters have blood on their hands.

A lone Stochastic Terrorist has succeeded in creating the greatest state of perceived vulnerability here since the Los Angeles riots of 1992.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:46 AM

18. Hyperbole much?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:47 AM

19. It's OK. I have a license.

 



But I did see some interesting things last night - San Diego PD cars stopped at every major intersection in my neighborhood, engines running, looking like they were waiting for someone.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

21. I am a reporter

I can tell you right now that San Diego cops never stopped responding to critical calls yesterday.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:49 AM

24. They called up reserves. They were out in force even late in the evening.

 

Lots more cars on the street than usual.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:52 AM

29. And...they were responding to calls

You said that we are effectively without police protection...pick a lane. If we were without protection why did you have more cars in the street?

By the way...all police agencies in SOCal, local, state and federal are on high alert and responding to calls. In fact, I suspect the Federales are also on high alert.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:54 PM

70. You can bet neighboring states too.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:49 AM

25. This ought to be good. "Gun control fanatics and cop-haters have blood on their hands."

Explain.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:50 AM

27. Find an UNCENSORED copy of Dorner's manifesto and read it

 

The whole thing, not just the parts that are published on sites like Huffington Post.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:54 AM

31. Dorner praises Gun Control therefore...

Tiebow has blood on his hands?

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Response to Junkdrawer (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:48 PM

63. I was going to blame Ellen, actually.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:17 PM

81. C'mon, EVERYone knows it's Bill Cosby's fault

Seriously.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:58 AM

34. Yup I read it

Rampart division never solved and things far worst (which the shot up Toyota Tacoma, blue vehice, not burned out gray Nissan Titan seem to support). LAPD has been a cesspool...don't expect that part of the story to be covered by HuffPo, let alone the cowed local media

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:10 PM

74. I suspect that Dorner is delusional, but because of his unsound methods he'll never get a fair...

 

...hearing to determine what real merit exists in his writings.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:19 PM

82. Or, we might turn that around

He never got a fair hearing and so descended into delusion and resorted to unsound methods.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:31 PM

93. I don't see that as in any way an excuse for killing people who weren't even involved in his case

 

I'm confident that you don't either.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:32 PM

97. Your confidence is appreciated and justified

But my point stands.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:55 PM

108. I'll be SHOCKED if they bother to take him alive.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:45 PM

103. I would like to read that.

Anybody got a link?

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Response to magellan (Reply #189)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:55 PM

216. Thank you.

Confirmed my initial suspicions. Oh how I mourn the dearth of real journalism.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:50 AM

26. That photo does not translate as police protection to me.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:51 AM

28. That is precisely my point. They're nervous, and rightly so for their own protection.

 

Which when push comes to shove could mean less protection for the rest of us.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:55 AM

32. That was not my point. It looks like protection from the police is needed if they are not

able to control themselves in a stressful situation regardless how nervous they are. Don't they train for scenarios like this?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:35 PM

100. agree strongly.........NT

 

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:32 PM

52. +1

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:21 PM

86. It looks *exactly* like police protection to me

Notice the police car is intact. The police were trying to protect themselves.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #86)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:24 PM

173. +1

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:38 PM

101. WTF?????

Police shot up a truck that didn't even vaguely resemble the one they were looking for, with two women inside who didn't even vaguely resemble the man they were looking for. And you use it as an opportunity to bash "gun control fanatics" and "cop-haters", saying they have "blood on their hands".

You also seem a little confused about the term "Stochastic Terrorist". That would imply someone who is influenced by media personalities who target individuals and groups to be hated, knowing that somewhere out there someone will eventually act on that misinformation (e.g., O'Reilly's "Tiller the Baby Killer" pronouncements). In this case the man appears to have been motivated by specific grievances of his own (real or perceived, we don't really know at this point).

In this particular instance it is the police who have blood on their hands. Thank goodness neither of these women was killed.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:13 PM

169. you are out of your fucking mind man

for real. seek help.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:41 AM

17. Oh, come on now, be honest. If you had indulged in a taste of the

 

coke, meth and speed you had confiscated from some of the other LA gangs (original tip-of-the-iceberg revelation from Ramparts 1), you too might readily confuse two Latina ladies for one African American male. Both pickups were dark and occupants, after all, were not white.

in case it's needed

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:47 AM

20. Rampart 2

This is what we are seeing.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

22. People who panic under fire should not have guns. nt

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

23. The officers saw what they expected to see, and didn't check in with reality.

They should be fired.

I don't doubt that they are so frightened they could compress a lump of coal passing through their sphincter into a diamond, but free fire zones are not acceptable.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:59 PM

111. I agree, they should be fired. But we know the most likely punishment.

If they get punished at all, it will be administrative leave, WITH PAY, for oh, maybe a week.
And if they have a history of brutality, they will be reassigned.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:52 AM

30. One wonders what the decibel level inside of the vehicle was.

The din from the impact of the bullets might have been near deafening.

As I understand it, one of the vehicle occupants (a woman in her seventies) sustained gunshot injury to her back. The other occupant sustained an inury to her finger.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:57 AM

33. ONe thing I notice:

Neither of these fucking idiots could shoot worth a damn.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:00 PM

36. Hubby made the exact same comment.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:01 PM

37. Well...

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:50 PM

65. Another thing I notice...

.223 doesn't penetrate vehicles worth shit.

I am very happy these two women, while injured, are still alive, but the fact they are alive speaks to the ineffectiveness of that round on even mild steel sheet metal.

Though, I don't know that it's a good argument for issuing the police AR-10's either...

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

77. And no M-14's either......

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:14 PM

140. were they using 5.56 or just service pistols? nt

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Response to littlewolf (Reply #140)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:48 PM

142. I donno - I'd bet just 9mm handguns

You'd think some fucker jacked on meth could do a better job with an M4 or whatever they are calling m-16 clones these days.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:05 PM

115. oh come on, they knew exactly what they were doing

The two hispanic newspaper delivery ladies was all just a nefarious ruse... Dorner was going to bust out of the truck-bed at any moment like Bruce Willis in the G.I. Joe Retaliation trailer



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Response to renegade000 (Reply #115)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:46 PM

126. Well...

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Response to renegade000 (Reply #115)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:16 PM

184. ROFLMAO!

Christ god I wonder how many wannabe Dirty Harrys beat off to this picture?

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:44 AM

192. Either that, or they unloaded a few rounds of 00 buckshot into the back of the truck.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:59 AM

35. Holy shit, how many shots were fired?

I'm counting over 25 that I can see in the pic.

on edit to remove an errant m and e.

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Response to BarbaRosa (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:50 PM

67. All of them.

Just about guarantee they emptied their weapons into that truck.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:05 PM

38. Wonder if Dorner might have

some info on some of his former fellow officers that might get out if taken alive ?

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Response to yesphan (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:06 PM

40. Christopher Dorner v. LAPD Case File (Anonymous leak):

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:59 PM

128. thanks for posting that....

That was interesting reading.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #128)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:54 PM

159. Bell hop guy pissed me off

 

Instead of telling Gettler to leave the property, he told him to go outside and sit on the bench. Then he called the cops on him. Why didn't he tell him to leave the property?

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:32 PM

136. The additional link

to the Dorner manifesto must be read. It is very long but is a worthwhile read. I withhold any judgement on the contents but he does want his brain to be examined after he dies. Unless he is brought down in a hail of bullets and all the projectiles miss his head then they should look into it.
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/uncensored-ex-lapd-officer-christopher-dorners-online-manifesto/#comments

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:06 PM

39. This tidbit was way down the page in the LA Times article about

the manhunt this morning - almost like an afterthought. Oh yeah, by the way, cops shot two women in a pickup truck for no reason. No one who is that much of a skittish moron should be anywhere near a gun.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:10 PM

41. Cheese is key riced!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:11 PM

42. Lawsuit for the LAPD, jail for the officers firing the shots.

This level of incompetence is both dangerous and unacceptable.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:17 PM

44. And they weren't even the BAD guy and had no gun. Can you imagine

what the GOOD guy with a gun could have done if they had been? Thank goodness they were not killed.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:37 PM

55. On the bright side, not from LAPD perspective mind you,

The detectives are lousy shots.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:46 PM

61. Here are three pictures from a famous 1930s shooting scene.

Clyde Barrow's car shortly after the gunfire ceased:



The 1967 movie was shown on AMC four evenings ago.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:51 PM

68. That is not the first pickup LAPD shot at.

A second shooting, involving Torrance police officers, occurred about 5:45 a.m. at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street in Torrance. No injuries were reported in that incident.

Chase said that in both instances police came across vehicles they thought were similar to the one Dorner is believed to be driving. Neither vehicle was Dorner's.

"Now it appears neither of them are directly related," Chase said. "In both of them, officers believed they were at the time."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #68)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:56 PM

109. That one wasn't even really a pickup, it's a Honda Ridgeline. They might as well have shot

at a Subaru Brat for all the 'pickup' it is.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:24 PM

46. Your "little disturbing" would be an understatement for me.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

48. The "Crime Stoppers" bumper sticker?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

49. Are those all individual rounds fired?...

Could that be a shotgun?

Holy fuck, that's a lot of holes.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:35 PM

54. Not as many as this car had in it, they didn't find a gun in this one either

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:43 PM

59. Shotgun pellets don't create that big of holes in metal tailgates.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:41 PM

102. apple annie is correct.......

 

Those are bullet holes from service pistols.

I don't know how many officers were involved....... but it looks like at least two. And it also looks like they kept shooting until they emptied their mags.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #102)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:57 PM

110. Interesting.

I had assumed those were from an AR-15. I guess two pistols would account for that many bullet holes.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #110)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:17 PM

119. I haven't seen any reports......

 

...... but I've spent so much of my life around guns, that I can recognize (even from a distant photo) what type of weapon was used.

A "skill" that I'm not especially proud of.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:38 PM

56. Dear God. Seventy-one years old and having to deliver newspapers to earn money?

That's a crime all by itself. But then to get shot on top of it . . . . Just, dear god.

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:03 PM

113. It's quite a statement about our culture, isn't it?

The greatest nation on the planet.

Welcome to DU, Laffy Kat! Great screen name, fab avatar!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:43 PM

58. it's like confusing Rita Moreno for James Earl Jones.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:45 PM

60. Maybe they were terrorists?

We don't have to prove they were, we just have to say so.

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Response to demwing (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:11 PM

76. Suspected of being *enemy combatants.

The talking point key phrase of the week is *enemy combatant.

Covers everything.

It has the *bi-partisan seal of approval.

My sarcasm setting is set to full/max capacity

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:50 PM

66. Then there was this one...

6 LA cops shot 90 shots...

at an unarmed man.

Hit him 15 times and killed him.

What happened to the other 75 rounds? In the breeze, baby, in the breeze.

Makes me want to have lots of guns... even police guns... "protecting" me.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:53 PM

69. Two Seattle police officers ended up shooting at each other. 31 rounds discharged. 0 hits.

Each thought the other was a teenager that had stolen an SPD vehicle.

They didn't hit a damn thing. Well, they hit houses and stuff. You know, unimportant things.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:32 PM

98. hilarious...........

 

I missed that one.................

And it took a 1/2 hour to find it. These cops are almost as bad as NYC, LAPD or Philadelphia.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-72860.html

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #98)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:54 PM

107. "Kerlikowske defended the officers saying they had a right to defend"

This is the same Kerlikowske that left his 9mm service pistol in his car, which was stolen, and is now the nation's 'Drug Czar', worrying about the legalization of pot in his home state.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:55 PM

71. stay at home!

If you're a large, lighter-skinned Black male living in southern California right now, it might be best to just stay in the house until this situation blows over because any ol' Black guy will do right now for this lynch mob of a police force. These police are obviously not looking to arrest Dorner and bring him to justice, they are trying to kill him.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:56 PM

72. Good Guys with Guns!

Well, there goes that NRA meme. Trigger happy cops are simply determined to kill rather than capture Chris Dorner.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:58 PM

73. That is some mighty fine police work there, Lou

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:11 PM

75. All semi autos should be off the streets......cops can't shoot anthing but innocent people & donuts

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022335092#post45

In NYC cops fire approx 165 shots to get 1 guy. 9 bystanders shot.

I could do a better job with a with one of these (160 years old, holds only 5 shots safely & takes 5 minutes to reload).



link to NYC story


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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:15 PM

80. See what you get when you recruit from fans of the show "COPS"?...

A bunch of idiots and thugs.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:25 PM

87. There should be a very interesting lawsuit

that the LAPD is going to want very badly to go away. I hope these ladies have lawyered up and that lawyer is willing and able to put the screws to them. Instead of delivering papers, they'll be able to retire while they're young enough to enjoy it.

It's obvious that they want this guy gone before he gets a chance to talk to anybody.

It's also obvious he's gone to ground and is smart enough to stay there for a while. I just hope he tells his story, all of it, to a credible journalist before they find him and execute him.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #87)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:26 PM

88. Statement from their attorney

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-shootings-newspaper-carriers.html

An attorney representing two women who were delivering newspapers when they were shot by police during a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer called the incident "unacceptable," saying his clients looked nothing like the suspect.

Emma Hernandez, 71, was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance on Thursday morning when Los Angeles police detectives apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.

Hernandez, who attorney Glen T. Jonas said was shot twice in the back, was in stable condition late Thursday. Carranza received stitches on her finger.

"The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:27 PM

89. I think that police department is corrupt, has been corrupt for a long time, despite efforts to

"clean it up" and provide "oversight" it remains corrupt, and I think the Justice Department needs to get in there with a stiff, clean broom and do some serious housekeeping.

Those guys are fucking clowns.

I can understand the whole "We take care of our own" theme, and I can understand the "A member of our group has disgraced us, we must fix this" theme, but I can't understand the suspension of basic visual cues. An overabundance of enthusiasm, combined with a lack of adherence to basic protocols, and a massive dose of -- let's call it what it is -- STUPIDITY caused this event.

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Response to MADem (Reply #89)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:19 PM

170. why bother when you have low hanging fruit like MMJ dispensaries..

to pad your conviction score sheet?

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Response to frylock (Reply #170)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:30 PM

174. Well, that's a separate issue, and I don't think it's about "conviction score sheets."

If I had to speculate (and I'd rather not derail this thread, to be honest) I'd look to Big Pharma--they might be pushing buttons and pulling strings. They're the ones who will have the hardest time if MMJ is fully "mainstreamed." Already they vacillate between funding studies saying "Ooooooh, it's baaaaaad..." and trying to create drugs that have "The same effect, but without the high!" As if that's a 'positive'....?

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Response to MADem (Reply #89)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:12 AM

193. Dorner has spelled this out in his manifesto.

Says he reported favoritism and cover-ups by his superiors, and was fired by LAPD for not going along with the cover-ups.

This isn't turning out like the movie "Serpico".

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #193)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:04 AM

200. The way to solve that problem isn't to kill people, certainly--Serpico, he ain't! nt

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:29 PM

92. That is disturbing.

 

The cops should confirm identity before riddling the truck with bullets.

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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:34 PM

99. This is a common psychological reaction.

 

I've seen it before in law enforcment shoot/don't shoot training scenarios . One "good guy with a gun" opens fire ....... and the rest of his/her "good guy" buds will also start blazing away.

In fact, it's an easy phenomena to demonstrate in shoot/don't shoot exercise. You get a "plant" and you place him/her on the firing line with other shooters. You instruct the "plant" to open fire away on the next exercise when he/she recognizes that it's clearly a "NO SHOOT" situation. Invariably........ the whole firing line will start blazing away thinking that the plant recognized some sort of "threat" that they missed.

It's a psychological reaction that just happens. It doesn't make these LAPD cops "good" or "bad" cops....... it just makes them human.

And it just makes me roll my eyes and say "herp derp" when gun nutters like Wayne LaPierre and other nutter "Bubbas" claim that more guns, in the hands of "good guys" with average training, will stop the "bad guys" in these school, theater, shopping mall shootings.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:06 PM

116. I was waiting for the recommendation...

for paper delivery persons to start carrying guns.

It's the obvious solution to this incident.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #116)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:34 PM

123. Blanks, every time you make a sarcastic remark like that.....

 

..... Wayne LaPierre and Ted Nugent cry!

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Response to rdharma (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:37 PM

176. It does make them "bad," sorry.

I can't agree that some sort of lemming behavior is OK for the police we pay and train to have good judgement and cool heads. they could have killed these women -- and anyone else in the kill zone. Then would you still excuse this unprofessional behavior?

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #176)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:04 AM

185. No, just human.

 

Yes, I'm sure that you and John Wayne would ALWAYS keep a cool head when the caps start popping!

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Response to rdharma (Reply #185)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:52 AM

198. That's a bizarre response.

John Wayne? I'm the one arguing not to act like a jackhole -- not advocating a wild west shoot 'em up--which is exactly what happened.

The discussion is not about how I would behave. Nor is about how you would behave. It is about how trained professionals, whom we PAY to have clear heads, and whom we trust with deadly weapons to protect us and not to act like stoned 15 year olds who just watched Pulp Fiction, would behave.

And no, picking a random truck that is the wrong make, model, and color and has 2 short, older hispanic women in it instead of one large black man, and shooting 30 rounds into it, is not reasonable. How many innocent bystanders have to be shot by cowboy cops before you would criticize them? 50? 100? 1000? These cops abandoned their duty to keep the public safe and should lose their jobs. They are bad cops. Period.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #198)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:40 PM

207. It is about how trained professionals would behave.

 

And I'm respectfully saying that you are playing armchair general. It's not like you've seen in the John Wayne movies.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #207)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:57 PM

209. I don't watch John Wayne movies.

He is not a role model. He is an actor who played cowboys, which has NOTHING to do with this situation of cops hooting innocent people--in a residential neighborhood over and over and over again.

Do you even live in the real world in which we pay police officers to be trained and expect them to follow their training and not to behave live cowboys or do you think the world is like "Die Hard"?

Trained professionals do not act like John Wayne. They act like professionals, and they hold their tempers. They do not shoot randomly at any of the 10s of 1000s of pick up trucks that drive around the greater LA area. It is NOT acceptable.

You are not respecting anything, either the innocent women who were shot for no reason nor my opinion that police have to live up to their duties. If it is OK for police to just shoot anyone they want at anytime, then we don't need them at all. Let's just have mob justice.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:49 PM

104. I haven't been paying close attention to TV,

but I don't recall CNN mentioning that someone was shot, just that a vehicle that looked like the suspects was shot at. These cops should lose their badge.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:50 PM

105. I don't know how to say this without sounding like an asshole

so here goes: the only thing crazier than the fact that they shot up the wrong car is the fact that they fired that many rounds and didn't kill anyone. How do you do that even by accident? And not to be a real ghoul, but honestly...who is teaching the LAPD how to shoot? Mr. Magoo?

Insane all around.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #105)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:04 PM

114. No, your question is a sane one regarding an insane situation....

I thought the exact same thought Will....aside from an episode of "Cops gone wild",that is an insane amount of rounds, at the wrong (and very off in description meeting of the target) and to not even have killed anyone.....

If I were living in LA area, I think I would leave town or stay hunkered down this weekend and until Christopher Dorner is apprehended....until then, there is a lethal warfare going on in LA area with reckless shooting by law enforcement that is on literally a "manhunt"....

stay tuned for more Innocent bystanders....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #114)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:10 PM

117. That tag on the ground reads "46."

Does that mean what I think it does?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #105)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:28 PM

122. ...who is teaching the LAPD how to shoot?

Stevie Wonder.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #122)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:44 PM

125. HEY

Stevie does not miss.

Take it back.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #105)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:49 PM

157. it's not that hard to not kill people

you can kill two people with a randomly-placed single shot, and spray an entire magazine at someone and hit nothing. Sometimes it's skill and sometimes it's just luck.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #105)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:48 PM

168. Yeah, I had a similar thought

mercifully, their aim was as inaccurate as their identification of the vehicle and suspects.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:16 PM

118. Thank GAWD the good guys had guns and knew how to use them!

Oh wait....

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #118)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:34 PM

148. Who said they were good guys, the police are a gang.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #148)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:49 PM

162. Guess that bit of irony was wasted....

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:23 PM

121. 'the vehicle was also "the wrong color and the wrong model,"'

So not only did they not bother to ID the driver before opening up but it wasn't even the same color or model of vehicle as the suspect vehicle. So exactly what did these cops get right? The vehicle had 4 wheels?

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:53 PM

127. Yellow bastards. They should lose their bloated pensions as well as their jobs.

Wrong car, wrong color, wrong plate! There was no excuse for this. The GD goombas need to be reigned in.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:15 PM

152. I can guarantee this asswipes will not lose their job. Cops very very seldom do. n-t

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:02 PM

180. Wrong car, color, plate, gender, race and two women

rather then one man. *sarcastic slow clapping* great job LAPD!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:03 PM

129. Fire them...

They exercised poor judgement and that is an understatement.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #129)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:31 PM

166. Prosecute them.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #166)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:57 PM

179. You won't get any argument from me.

I just hope they don't get a sympathetic jury.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:15 PM

131. Why are you worshiping Dorner?

 

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:15 PM

132. The problem with this situation

 

The cops were out gunning each other to be the cop that nailed the perp. Get the perp, get the fame.

Our nations police forces think and act like that. Heroic rationalizations override sanity when you are the almighty law in some similar situations.

Bang bang shoot shoot

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:19 PM

134. "Woops .... Hey, sorry 'bout that"





If they weren't so impulsive and trigger happy this would have had a different outcome.


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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:21 PM

135. But but but

they were just Latinos

Look at fugging bullet holes! What the fuck were they thinking

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:34 PM

137. It wasn't street justice ...

They wanted Christopher Dorner dead because he could spill a whole lot of beans. Can't have him singing like a bird (he already wrote it down in a manifesto, but still).

Fuckers.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #137)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:42 PM

178. ^^Probably this

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:10 PM

139. They will get off with the current standard defense. They were trying to run over the police.

In this case must have been in reverse.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #139)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:30 PM

165. Better than the chickenshit one they used to use: "I was afraid for my life."

But at least that one was true.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:54 PM

143. K&R

“The end was contained in the beginning.” ~George Orwell, 1984



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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:41 PM

145. It's a good thing they didn't use a drone missile,

at least those women have that going for them.


Thanks for the thread, The Straight Story.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #145)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:17 PM

153. Give em a few more years. It'll be standard procedure. nt

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:53 PM

149. I feel kind of bad if a 71 year old needs to deliver papers too.

If she's doing that to pay for basic needs anyway. At least she now gets to retire, but that's not the way it should happen.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:09 PM

150. Thank god for this, but

if they believed this was Dorner, it is troublesome that they did not kill the occupants of the vehicle with all those shots. I am very grateful for these two women that they did not do a better job, but really? All those shots and they would not have stopped Dorner!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:19 PM

154. will those cops be held accountable?

lol jk

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Response to d_b (Reply #154)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:00 PM

161. will these cops be trained?

That would be a better question. Trained to identify a target should be the priority. Then, if they can be trained to do that, they should be trained to hit the target. Sadly, if they can't be trained to do either they will go into politics or become faux news specialists.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:52 PM

158. BANG...Bang...Bang...Bang...

"Stop, Or I'll Shoot!" Typical L.A. Cop Mindset! Cops are being targeted so shoot first, facts later!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:56 PM

160. Hate to see LAPD get a lot disturbing, then.


Jesus.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:07 PM

163. Driving while black. Ugh!

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:21 PM

164. Memo to the LAPD

You are not TV cops!! You don't go cyclic and dump rounds down range. You are supposed to be sure that the target is actually a perp and not an innocent citizen.

"What are you shootin' at Stiffy?"

I dunno, but I'm a shootin' and I'm a lovin' it!"

Maybe we should disarm the police.

Wolf

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:31 PM

167. everything about that picture is disturbing....

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:33 PM

175. "two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man"---Maybe TOGETHER... :-P

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:38 PM

177. Drone On

"Los Angeles police detectives apparently mistook their pickup...." Kind of like the drone deciders; mistakes were made.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:40 AM

187. And the truck looked nothing at all like the guy's truck.

His was supposedly silver and a different make and model. This is insane.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:05 AM

195. Remember: How do you stop a bad guy with a gun, a good guy with a gun.

These are supposedly the good guys with guns, Lord help us.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:43 AM

197. Forty or so bullets fired into the vehicle by gun experts. Two bullets found their mark.

1) Thank God! They lived. One was simply scratched. Which begs the question:
2) Why are more guns the solution? Lots of guns being fired at two unarmed people, and neither were taken out.


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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #197)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:03 AM

199. 8000 or so gun homicides in an average year

About 2 in 7 gunshots are fatal.

About 1 in 10 shots at someone hits.

That's a lot of shots going on.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #199)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:53 PM

208. The cops were not nearly that efficient.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339877

In addition to the dozens of bullet holes in the truck, one neighbor's car had six holes, and there were bullets in the trees.

Not exactly Dirty Harry.

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:03 PM

203. Gee. The LAPD shooting first and asking questions later. Color me surprised.

If this story was not covered nationally, they would have just planted a throw-down weapon on the 2 poor ladies, put some drugs in the glove compartment and call it a day.

The obligatory Dave Chapelle "crack sprinkling" reference:

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Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:35 PM

219. the "C" word

corruption.

the "M" word isn't helping... militarization

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