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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:53 PM

Native American Confronts Protesters on Illegal Immigration (wow)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aaf_1360011654


Got them posers good

“Y’all f*cking illegal. You’re all illegal. You’re all illegal!

“We didn’t invite none of you here!

“We’re the only native Americans here.

“That’s right. We’re the only native Americans here. Y’all are all illegal. We didn’t invite none of you! We didn’t invite none of you here. Get on, get on, get on with your bogus arguments.”

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Reply Native American Confronts Protesters on Illegal Immigration (wow) (Original post)
DainBramaged Feb 2013 OP
Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #1
sdfernando Feb 2013 #2
Sivafae Feb 2013 #9
sdfernando Feb 2013 #14
RebelOne Feb 2013 #23
Mr Dixon Feb 2013 #78
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #11
Cha Feb 2013 #13
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #19
Cha Feb 2013 #20
a la izquierda Feb 2013 #31
Cha Feb 2013 #98
Blanks Feb 2013 #88
sdfernando Feb 2013 #16
AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #36
AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #38
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #94
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #39
freshwest Feb 2013 #51
RebelOne Feb 2013 #85
blackspade Feb 2013 #45
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #48
blackspade Feb 2013 #49
Apophis Feb 2013 #53
blackspade Feb 2013 #66
Apophis Feb 2013 #67
blackspade Feb 2013 #71
Apophis Feb 2013 #52
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #55
Cleita Feb 2013 #77
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #80
Cleita Feb 2013 #86
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #87
reverend_tim Feb 2013 #89
Cleita Feb 2013 #96
reverend_tim Feb 2013 #106
reverend_tim Feb 2013 #107
Cleita Feb 2013 #109
reverend_tim Feb 2013 #110
Cleita Feb 2013 #111
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #101
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #102
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #103
Cha Feb 2013 #15
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #95
Cha Feb 2013 #97
Cleita Feb 2013 #112
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #113
yellerpup Feb 2013 #24
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #29
yellerpup Feb 2013 #32
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #34
yellerpup Feb 2013 #35
Apophis Feb 2013 #54
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #58
Apophis Feb 2013 #59
Rozlee Feb 2013 #47
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #3
OriginalGeek Feb 2013 #4
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #7
eppur_se_muova Feb 2013 #81
Baitball Blogger Feb 2013 #84
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #5
Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #21
pampango Feb 2013 #63
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #6
Whisp Feb 2013 #8
RebelOne Feb 2013 #10
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #18
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #12
Cha Feb 2013 #17
unionthug777 Feb 2013 #26
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #28
uponit7771 Feb 2013 #37
jerseyjack Feb 2013 #22
yellerpup Feb 2013 #25
ShadowLiberal Feb 2013 #27
pampango Feb 2013 #41
jerseyjack Feb 2013 #64
liberalhistorian Feb 2013 #99
Coyotl Feb 2013 #30
yellerpup Feb 2013 #33
blackspade Feb 2013 #46
John2 Feb 2013 #68
blackspade Feb 2013 #73
loose wheel Feb 2013 #104
yellerpup Feb 2013 #70
SHRED Feb 2013 #40
sagetea Feb 2013 #42
2naSalit Feb 2013 #43
SHRED Feb 2013 #44
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #50
ReRe Feb 2013 #56
Number23 Feb 2013 #57
lib87 Feb 2013 #60
Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #61
Amonester Feb 2013 #62
Ganja Ninja Feb 2013 #65
heaven05 Feb 2013 #69
toby jo Feb 2013 #72
heaven05 Feb 2013 #74
toby jo Feb 2013 #75
Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #93
Mr Dixon Feb 2013 #82
Dash87 Feb 2013 #92
Cleita Feb 2013 #76
Mnpaul Feb 2013 #79
lutefisk Feb 2013 #83
WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2013 #90
Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #91
RebelOne Feb 2013 #100
loose wheel Feb 2013 #105
malaise Feb 2013 #108

Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:01 PM

1. Hello greatest! (greatest thing I saw today anyway) nt

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:06 PM

2. Well...if you want be technical about it...

Native Americans aren't "Native" either. They migrated over a land bridge from Asia. That said, I think this is AWESOME. Good on them for calling out the protesters!

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:24 PM

9. Yet somehow I get the feeling that when they traveled here by land bridge they didn't try to impose

Their diseases, religion and morals on the people that were already here. Wait....

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Response to Sivafae (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:37 PM

14. I'm 100% with you on that bud!

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Response to Sivafae (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:43 PM

23. Yeah, wait .... what people? n/t

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Response to Sivafae (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:19 PM

78. AGREED

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:27 PM

11. There is new speculation they arrived by water first...

two thousand years before the migration corridor opened up. Good read in this month's Smithsonian on how the Clovis model is collapsing as pre-Clovis finds are gaining acceptance in the science community with 'reservation'.


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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:37 PM

13. Wonder where they did arrive from, then?

Fascinating.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:55 PM

19. West coast by Asia

East coast by Europe is kinda iffy, but it's out there, too. Africa couldn't book a direct connection.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:58 PM

20. Thanks Brother Buzz!

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:55 PM

31. Check out this link on Monte Verde, Chile.

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Response to a la izquierda (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:28 PM

98. Thanks for the link, a la izquierda

Much to learn about.. these anthopologists are amazing!

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:16 PM

88. Ancient aliens... Obviously.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:38 PM

16. I'm going to have to read up on that.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:27 PM

36. Who were the giants that were stone builders?

http://www.ancientamerican.com/aa/index.php/ancient-american-videos

and this is almost an hour long:

Mysterious Stone Chambers & Giants Discovered in New England- Jim Vieira

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Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:32 PM

38. And the Gavin Menzies book "The Lost Empire of Atlantis"

He talks about Minoan boats coming up the Mississippi and mining copper by the Great Lakes, the start of the 'Bronze Age.'

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Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:37 PM

94. Meh. Gavin Menzies talks about a lot of things. (nt)

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Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:41 PM

39. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend

I've listened to Jim Vieira on Coast to Coast. Fun entertainment.

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Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:48 AM

51. I would love to go visit there. Thanks for the video and link.

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Response to AnotherDreamWeaver (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:26 PM

85. Very, very interesting. This is the first I have ever heard of the mound builders. n/t

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:31 PM

45. The Clovis-first arguement has been dead for a decade for most younger archaeologists.

Dillehay's work in Chile has compellingly pushing back the settlement timeline to at least 17,000 BP.
The Smithsonian article was good, but it didn't do a good job of pointing out that the pre-Clovis sites are held to a much higher scientific threshold than other archaeological sites.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:20 PM

48. I thought they did a reasonable job of explaining it to this pedestrian

Dillehay's Monte Verde site was mentioned and led me to the conclusion it might be considered the bellwether that turned the game.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:32 PM

49. I don't disagree really.

As a professional archaeologist, I'm always looking at data, so that weakness of the article stood out for me.
You are correct though, about it being a bellwether.
I was working at the University of Kentucky when Tom hosted the pre-Clovis deniers. It was actually super cool to be able to talk to some of these folks mentioned in the article in person even though I didn't agree with them.
Honestly, the 'controversy' about Clovis first reminds me of the dinosaur community battles over the asteroid impact extinction theory.
It rattled so many careers that folks flipped out. Same in this case as well just like the ongoing battles over climate change.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:59 AM

53. Actually, no.

 

If you're talking about the Monte Verde site, that data is still suspect. Clovis-first is still the officially accepted model for the peopling of the Americas.

I'm an archaeologist, if you're wondering about my credentials.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:33 AM

66. I have to disagree.

You would be one of the few archaeologists I have spoken with in my 20+ years in the field that hold to the Clovis-first model.
The pre-Clovis data is there whether the Clovis first crowd wants to admit it or not.
The biggest problem is ego, which has blinded many of the old guard in archaeology from accepting a changed paradigm.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:51 AM

67. I'm in grad school for archaeology.

 

We're still being taught the Clovis-first model as being correct, even after discussing sites like Monte Verde and Meadowcroft Rockshelter.

I worked in the CRM field in the Upper Midwest for a few years before that and the Clovis-first model is still accepted.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #67)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:55 AM

71. Which program?

I'm curious who runs it.
That is usually a good indicator of what gets taught, especially in prehistoric archaeology.
Maybe I just work with progressive thinkers in the field, but I can't think of a single Clovis-first proponent from field-techs to PIs that I have worked with in the last 10 years.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:56 AM

52. Ah. The Solutrean Hypothesis.

 

I'm in graduate school for archaeology.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:19 AM

55. Evidence of the Solutrean hypothesis is all wet

I understand it, most evidence that might prove the Solutrean Hypothesis is underwater so it may be a long slog until the next ice age uncovers it.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:13 PM

77. Still makes them first nation no matter how they arrived. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:29 PM

80. There are wackadoodle theories out there implying they weren't the first

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #80)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:38 PM

86. I know it's the Caucasians got here first. BS.

I got into a big argument with a white supremacy enthusiast about Kennewick Man who claimed he was white. It turns out he is Native American but there are those out there who refuse to believe it.

http://www.nps.gov/archeology/kennewick/index.htm

The fact is that even if a few Caucasians came over in prehistoric times, they never established populations so therefore those who claim this are not direct descendents of any that might have come over.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #86)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:18 PM

87. No, no, no

Jim Vieira's eight foot giants with double rows of teeth are not of Caucasian origin. I'm not up to speed on this crap, but I believe they are trying convince us giants were here long before modern man displaced them; a Clovis point hefted onto a fine stick wins every time against a giant mason wielding a bolder.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #77)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:58 PM

89. What about the large sized red headed cave men?

These "cavemen" were indigenous to North America until killed off by the tribes we currently call native americans. I know this is off the point, from the original post, but there were others. I did enjoy the video clip.

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Response to reverend_tim (Reply #89)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:49 PM

96. Perhaps you would have some information links to the red headed cave men to share with us? n/t

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Response to reverend_tim (Reply #106)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:04 PM

109. I think I'm gonna have to place these guys with Sasquatch being there

aren't any remains to look at. Sorry legend isn't enough until you get proof.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #109)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:49 PM

110. okay, but there are bones.

The history chanel 2 did a program on it.
Sasquatch is still here.

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Response to reverend_tim (Reply #110)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:23 PM

111. History channel also does a lot of speculative programs about

Jesus and the last days and such. They are not the best scientific source. I used to know a guy who hunted Sasquatch. He was a Korean war vet and suffered from PTSDs severe enough for the army to give him a disability pension. I never found him to be crazy but evidently the VA did because of his obsession with Sasquatch and I did think his quest was quiotic. He never found Sasquatch, nor will anyone else. With civilization encroaching into the wilderness as it has in the last hundred years he/she would have been flushed out by now. I myself am a wilderness lover and in my travels I have found a few spots in Idaho and Montana that are still untouched by man and actually too small to host even a small group of primates. Mostly the logging and mining industries have encroached on most of it.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 08:18 PM

101. Didn't we all arrive by water first?


Or is that a lie from the pit of hell?

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #101)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 08:43 PM

102. I do not disagree

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #102)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:16 PM

103. That sure tells the truth. What a progression. n/t

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:38 PM

15. Then they would be called First Nation.

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:38 PM

95. They's what they're generally called in Canada, actually. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #95)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:26 PM

97. That's where I gleaned it from.. :)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #95)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:25 PM

112. Alaska too. I have noticed the term creeping into the

vocabulary of the lower 48 with those tribes beginning to adopt the term.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #112)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:29 PM

113. It's a term I'm quite okay with spreading

I've always loved that one - it's less utterly inaccurate than "Indian" and a lot less patronizing than "native."

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Response to sdfernando (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:52 PM

24. The migration over land bridge from Asia

is disputed information. Many tribes dispute it; it doesn't go with our creation legends. I think this young father's protest is awesome, too.

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:40 PM

29. DNA supports it

Scientists looked at mtDNA from many Native Americans and many Asians. Based on their DNA, Native Americans belong to five different groups. Groups 1-4 are closely related to Asian people. The fifth group is most closely related European or Western Asian people. So it seems most Native Americans are originally from Asia. However, it seems there are some whose origins are from Europe.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:02 PM

32. I understand.

But, they didn't have to come over a land bridge. According to legend, our people came from the South, which leads me to speculate that those Asian genes may have come by sea first to South America and then migrated north. Vikings trolled the coasts for centuries before the invasion from the British Isles and they would have left genetic imprints, so that isn't surprising. When Pangea broke up we assume (with evidence uncovered to date) that the only people who survived were in Africa; we don't know for sure that no one was alive on this side of the globe when that happened.

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:18 PM

34. As I pointed out upthread

Oh, Pangea broke up over a hundred millions years ago; dinosaurs got separated, not humans. Oldest human fossils are closer to 200,000 years old.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:21 PM

35. Doh!

Pardon me while I laugh at myself. Just musing there in that last sentence, but I see you have cited the Smithsonian article upthread that suggests coastal migration and native settlements dating back before the land bridge emerged. All very interesting.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:01 AM

54. Modern humans, yes.

 

Pre-modern humans go back a few million years.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:51 AM

58. I studied anthropology when Lucy was the new kid on the block

We understood there were no humans (including Pre-modern humans) around when Pangaea broke apart.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #58)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:16 AM

59. You're right.

 

Pangea broke apart some 300 million years ago. The earliest pre-Homo sapien skeleton goes back ~7 million years ago.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:53 PM

47. What, you mean they're not the lost tribes of Israel like the Mormons claim?

All joking aside, I'm still mystified by how the Church of Mormon can still claim in the face of DNA evidence that Native Americans are the mythical lost tribes. DNA evidence hasn't revealed any specific Southwest Asian bloodlines (i.e. Middle Eastern/Semitic) in any of the tribes of the Americas. I digress from your excellent post. Just an observation from an irreligious person.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:07 PM

3. This isn't a panacea.

I have come across some right-wing conservatives who boast about their Cherokee bloodlines as if that justifies everything they have done to stay on top.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:11 PM

4. I think I can safely say

they aren't honoring the spirit of their ancestors.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:20 PM

7. You tell me.

The guy had a huge Indian chief tattooed on one shoulder and confederate flag on the other.

He was a foreman from the deep south and his workers were all from the same local area. He told me that they were also proud confederates, and indeed, they would look at me meanlike as they worked on a construction site nearby. His workers were Black Americans, who were darker than I have ever seen before. And I was raised in Central America in an area which sees a tremendous mix of cultures. This was a first for me.

They blared Rush Limbaugh all day while they worked.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #81)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:17 PM

84. Yeah, it's very much like that.

Sometimes I don't think we ever left the tribal wars of the highlanders because everyone is looking for anything to assert dominance.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:17 PM

5. The protesters are probably thinking:

"Ya, but we're white!"

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:59 PM

21. "The protesters are probably thinking..." Very dangerous concept for the wingers. nt

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:58 AM

63. Protesters: historical immigrants (mostly now dead) - good; current/future immigrants - bad.

Protesters: "Historical immigrants (the ancestors of most of us so how can they be 'bad'?) don't threaten our jobs or culture; current/future immigrants do. Our ancestors immigrated here first, so don't you modern immigrants try to do the same thing they did."

Of course, that is what has been said about immigrants (including the ancestors of the protesters) throughout our history.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:17 PM

6. Good for him, but you can't talk sense to those people. It's OK when white people do it.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:24 PM

8. wow is right. the truth is spoke!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:26 PM

10. I am on his side. Our ancestors committed awful atrocities on the Native Americans.

I can understand his anger.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:44 PM

18. I saw an episode of Pawn Stars where they happily bought a cannon that was made

specifically to kill American Indians, and it wasn't like this cannon was stuck in a crate for 125 years.




Subtle obscenities like that continue.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:28 PM

12. reminds me of this:

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:41 PM

17. That's Compelling!

Thank you, Straight Story

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:56 PM

26. LOVE IT !!!!!!

especially because i am native american.

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Response to unionthug777 (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:08 PM

28. AND a Union Thug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:27 PM

37. +1

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:37 PM

22. "We should'a put that sign up when you sons of bitches came here."

 

Love it.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:54 PM

25. Idle No More is a huge movement

and inspiring to most Native Americans. I'm proud of the young father for standing up and telling the truth.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:01 PM

27. The facts didn't stop an anti-immigrant group calling themselves 'native americans' many years ago

Around 200ish years ago there was a group of anti-immigrant people who called themselves 'The Native Americans' when they didn't like all the Irish immigrants in their area.

This was before anyone started to call the American Indians Native Americans.

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Response to ShadowLiberal (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:56 PM

41. That was the American Republican Party which changed its name to the Native American Party in 1845.

You're right. By "Native American" they simply meant native born citizens rather than naturalized citizens. (The irony that these children of immigrants would call themselves Native Americans would probably be lost on them today.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Republican_Party

The American Republican Party preceded the current Republican party (created in 1854) by about 10 years, though both versions of the republican party had and have a lot of anti-immigrant sentiment. Go figure.

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Response to ShadowLiberal (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:56 AM

64. They were also appropriately known as the "No Nothing Party."

 

A sub-group was called the "Plug Uglies"

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Response to jerseyjack (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

99. Um.....not to be annoying or anything, but

you mean the Know-Nothing party. They were appropriately named, considering they were blatantly and proudly nativist, hating blacks, Indians, immigrants and immigration (particularly the Irish and Asians), Catholics, Jews, abolitionists, anyone with more than a third-grade education, etc., etc. Fortunately they didn't last too long as a formal party, although their like-minded ilk have been active all throughout our history and on up to the present time. The teabaggers would have been quite at home with them.

The plug-uglies were Southern/slavery sympathizers who purposely roughed up those who disagreed (they started in Missouri) for purposes of not just getting their way but starting and fomenting sectional shit.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:46 PM

30. Can't REC this enough! Not to Mention, the "Mexican" is an Anglo substitute for Native American.

So, the people of Mexico are largely a Native American population combined with some European invaders.

To not recognize Mexican Native Americans and north of the American-made border Native Americans as one people is wrong, is a failure to not recognize a false dichotomy. In the U.S., the whites won, in Mexico the Europeans were overthrown. That's the big legal difference. You wan't find Native Americans in over-100-year-old concentration camps in Mexico.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:08 PM

33. Absolutely.

The boundaries between our countries are purely political. We are one people.

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Response to yellerpup (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:44 PM

46. Tragically, the First Nations were not one people during the European invasions.

Had they been, they could have easily pushed them back into the sea.
The tragic irony is that the First Nations were just as balkanized as the Europeans leaving each nation to resist as best it could.
I can only imagine how things might have been different as late as the 1800s if the the Prophet and Blackhawk had been successful.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:54 AM

68. They did unite to win

 

one battle against Custer. Custer's arrogance did him in. I read the history of Custer and even though he was a Civil War hero,he was still a racist arrogant supremacist.

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Response to John2 (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:58 AM

73. Unfortunately only a battle.

First Nations met invading Europeans in battle and won on numerous occasions.
It was there lack of unity early on during the colonization that undermined later efforts to fight back or integrate into the new colonial reality.
We are all the poorer for it.

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Response to John2 (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:45 PM

104. That wasn't even the entirity of those three tribes

 

There was nothing wrong with Custer's strategy at the start of the battle. Had he reinforced his skirmish line as the battle started, the 7th Cav was more than up to the job. It was also standard tactics of the time. That he failed to do so has never been explained, and it resulted in the loss of about half of his unit.

Red Cloud was a superior leader. He's also the only leader to force the US to the negotiating table due to successes in the field against our armed forces.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:08 AM

70. Too true.

I hope this is the time when we can all come together and recognize our strength in unity.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:54 PM

40. thank God for natives!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:01 PM

42. Indeed!

There is a lot of anger, and they are speaking out!

Ho
sage

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:02 PM

43. And that's the truth!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:06 PM

44. I have a new hero!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:39 PM

50. K&R

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:20 AM

56. To the Greatest!

K&R

That thrilled my soul! That there was a real live Indian Brave! And change the name of Columbus Day to Native American Day! Thanks, DC. I'm on the tail end here, but I sure am glad I found it. Really made my day...

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:48 AM

57. Now THAT's how you break up a crowd

There were about 10-12 folks standing around when he first started. By the time he was finished, all them assholes was GONE.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:58 AM

60. The Truth Hurts

They had no argument and ran off like cowards when the truth was spoken. Bravo sir!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:02 AM

61. Ha!

Some things are just not up for debate.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:43 AM

62. Well said!

Wish they had drones then!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 08:02 AM

65. Unfortunately irony just bounces off right wingers like bullets off Superman.

They hardly notice if they notice at all.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:04 AM

69. truth

will set you free. stopped all that racism in it's tracks. I LOVE THE TRUTH!!!!!!

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Response to toby jo (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:04 PM

74. YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAVE MISSED THE POINT, WHICH DOESN'T SURPRISE ME. TELL THAT BROTHERHOOD SHIT TO THE SLAUGHTERED 'FIRST PEOPLES OF THIS LAND. TELL THAT BROTHERHOOD SHIT TO SLAVES SLAUGHTERED AND TO USE YOUR TERM, ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:07 PM

75. I addressed the point. People have been slaughtered everywhere, is my point, which you missed.

My people were slaughtered, life goes on. You don't drag around expecting people to feel sorry for you, you fight on.

"Me first" produces war. Get yours on, if that's what you want.

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Response to toby jo (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:33 PM

93. The Course In Miracles calls it Specialness (the worst mentall error of all)

Me first, I deserve and you don't, or more that you, I am better than you, etc etc all those wrong thoughts fit into this category.

We must all work to overcome these mental errors. Then the horrors will stop.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:31 PM

82. WOW

Great points keep going

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Response to toby jo (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:26 PM

92. Yeah, it's their fault for being conquered and doomed to a life of poverty and abuse.



Your argument makes no sense. They shouldn't call themselves Native Americans unless if they live like they did 300 years ago? You do realize, had Native American tribes not been conquered by the West, they would still have advanced technologically, right?

By that argument, if another country got superior technologies to us in the near future, it would be better if they nuked us into oblivion and then conquered the US. We should just shut up and take it, and anyone who used the new technologies wouldn't be a real American and had nothing to whine about. Do you really believe Native Americans should be happy that they were a victim of genocide?

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:13 PM

76. The irony too is that many from the Southwest who are perceived as illegal and those from

South of the border are mostly native American as well. I worked in a restaurant where some the workers, and some were undocumented, who were from the same pueblo in Mexico spoke their native language among themselves often and it wasn't Spanish.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:20 PM

79. This is the way you do it

Kudos to Robert Erickson for punking the tea party in Mn.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:16 PM

83. Well that took some courage

Those Tea Party people are stunningly stupid and angry. And why do they all seem to look alike?

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:13 PM

90. I believe that First Nation Peoples have the right to freely

cross the boarders of Mexico and Canada.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:22 PM

91. I am truly sorry that my ancestors corraled and murdered your people.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:00 PM

100. Jennifer Granholm showed a short clip tonight

on her show the War Room.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:04 PM

105. It's a lot more complex than that.

 

What particular ground were these "Native Americans" standing on, and did it belong to their tribe at any time?

I descended from the Walker clan of the Creek indian nation. When European (Spanish) explorers first made contact with our tribe, historical records show that we were engaged in wars with literally every tribe around us, and we seemed to be winning. That being said, it seems that the Delaware Indian tribe had at some point in the past pushed our tribe out of the region around the nation's capital. The other indian tribes were more than happy to meet and ally someone who had superior force of arms.

There are places in Georgia where lines of trees delineated the borders of the Cherokee nation and the Creek nation. My uncles used to tell me about finding arrowheads around them. There are regions in other places where tribes and clans regularly fought over prime hunting land to the point that "ownership" changed hands regularly.

The Aztecs had managed to piss off every tribe around them. When the Spanish showed up the other tribes were more than willing to trade conquerors that had to cross an ocean with conquerors that were next door.

I guess my point is this. There was no Native American nation. There were a collection of small nations, tribes, and clans each with it's own history, it's own likes, it's own enemies, and it's own hatreds. They traded, they fought, they enslaved, and did everything to each other that the tribes that had gunpowder did later.

The thing is the tribe that has gunpowder, domesticated livestock, and metallurgy is just about impossible to stop.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:56 AM

108. Well

It's true

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