Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:33 AM
sinkingfeeling (27,786 posts)
Ah, America. Texas couple fatally shot in argument over dog feces
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/05/16850151-cops-texas-couple-fatally-shot-in-argument-over-dog-feces?lite
A couple with four children were shot and killed in an argument over dog feces on Monday, police in Texas said. When officers arrived, they found two people, later identified as 32-year-old Michelle Jackson and 31-year-old Jamie Stafford, dead at the scene from apparent gunshot wounds. An infant inside the couple's apartment was not injured. After talking with witnesses, police began searching for Chung Kim, a resident of the complex identified by residents as a man who lived in the unit below Stafford and Jackson and was seen leaving the complex after the shooting. Investigators said the couple had been dumping dog feces on the patio and at the front door of Kim's apartment. ************************************ 4 more children without parents. America, where every disagreement can be settled with a gun.
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59 replies, 3204 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| sinkingfeeling | Feb 2013 | OP | |
| AndyA | Feb 2013 | #1 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #2 | |
| sinkingfeeling | Feb 2013 | #3 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #4 | |
| cleanhippie | Feb 2013 | #9 | |
| RC | Feb 2013 | #12 | |
| KurtNYC | Feb 2013 | #10 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #11 | |
| shanti | Feb 2013 | #45 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #48 | |
| Downtown Hound | Feb 2013 | #28 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #34 | |
| Downtown Hound | Feb 2013 | #39 | |
| msanthrope | Feb 2013 | #40 | |
| TeamPooka | Feb 2013 | #43 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Feb 2013 | #46 | |
| JackRiddler | Feb 2013 | #50 | |
| jpak | Feb 2013 | #52 | |
| NBachers | Feb 2013 | #41 | |
| Cali_Democrat | Feb 2013 | #49 | |
| BeyondGeography | Feb 2013 | #53 | |
| Zoeisright | Feb 2013 | #55 | |
| Zoeisright | Feb 2013 | #54 | |
| Buzz Clik | Feb 2013 | #5 | |
| gollygee | Feb 2013 | #6 | |
| libtodeath | Feb 2013 | #7 | |
| DagoT | Feb 2013 | #8 | |
| RC | Feb 2013 | #13 | |
| bluedigger | Feb 2013 | #14 | |
| RC | Feb 2013 | #15 | |
| bluedigger | Feb 2013 | #16 | |
| a la izquierda | Feb 2013 | #31 | |
| independentpiney | Feb 2013 | #36 | |
| alcibiades_mystery | Feb 2013 | #17 | |
| sinkingfeeling | Feb 2013 | #18 | |
| snappyturtle | Feb 2013 | #19 | |
| JVS | Feb 2013 | #22 | |
| snappyturtle | Feb 2013 | #25 | |
| Hassin Bin Sober | Feb 2013 | #33 | |
| snappyturtle | Feb 2013 | #57 | |
| Hassin Bin Sober | Feb 2013 | #58 | |
| snappyturtle | Feb 2013 | #59 | |
| slackmaster | Feb 2013 | #20 | |
| Spider Jerusalem | Feb 2013 | #21 | |
| justabob | Feb 2013 | #23 | |
| joeybee12 | Feb 2013 | #24 | |
| justabob | Feb 2013 | #26 | |
| joeybee12 | Feb 2013 | #27 | |
| justabob | Feb 2013 | #30 | |
| joeybee12 | Feb 2013 | #32 | |
| justabob | Feb 2013 | #35 | |
| joeybee12 | Feb 2013 | #38 | |
| Doctor_J | Feb 2013 | #29 | |
| Lint Head | Feb 2013 | #37 | |
| MynameisBlarney | Feb 2013 | #42 | |
| Capt. Obvious | Feb 2013 | #44 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Feb 2013 | #47 | |
| Capt. Obvious | Feb 2013 | #56 | |
| jpak | Feb 2013 | #51 |
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:35 AM
AndyA (16,106 posts)
1. Guns for EVERYONE!
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See, this worked out so well...
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:38 AM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
2. I think the lesson here is don't dump dogshit on your neighbor's stoop
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:42 AM
sinkingfeeling (27,786 posts)
3. So you think doing so should get the death penalty?
Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:44 AM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
4. Common sense got the death penalty here
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After which, um, shit happens.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:08 AM
cleanhippie (14,469 posts)
9. You win this thread!
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Common sense has died. Lacking simple respect for others and animals, a dog was given no option but to urinate and defecate on the balcony, over and over and over and over.
I wonder how this chain of events would have been different had respect for others been a priority? |
Response to cleanhippie (Reply #9)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:40 AM
RC (21,617 posts)
12. Happen to me.
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I was not a happy camper. They were above me, on the 3rd floor, and used hot water in sub-zero weather to wash their deck down. Guess where it went? The people below me got it even worse, as they had a concrete slab.
http://rc.smugmug.com/Other/Dog-Piss/26130107_3PTXWB#!i=2171735486&k=wRJ8L8f |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:12 AM
KurtNYC (12,055 posts)
10. Apparently it "dripped" down from the balcony above and had been for a year
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The condo board did nothing to resolve this. |
Response to KurtNYC (Reply #10)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
11. It is very sad
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All they had to do was walk their dog instead of using their balcony as a litter box.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #11)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:24 PM
shanti (16,657 posts)
45. there was a "noise problem" too
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and they had school age 4 kids. i remember living in a second story apartment with my rambunctious 3 year old son. my downstairs neighbors constantly complained about all the "noise" from my son running on the floor. (never mind the fact that there were 4 of them and they smoked cigs like chimneys and the smoke wafted up to my windows and into my apartment, and i said nothing about it!)
but you're right, the dead folks were too lazy to walk their damn dog! still....not something to shoot someone over! |
Response to shanti (Reply #45)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:54 PM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
48. Oh, I know...not defending the shooter
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Just pointing out the obvious; those folks would still be alive if they weren't terrorizing this guy. Might seem like a strong word, but I'm sure that's how he felt. I've spent most of my life in apartments and there is nothing worse than a bad upstairs neighbor. You're at their mercy and these people didn't have any.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:34 AM
Downtown Hound (8,195 posts)
28. This is the 21st century
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All you need to do when somebody pulls shit like this is set up a small video camera, catch them in the act, then sue them, get them evicted, put the video up on youtube or pass out copies to all the neighbors. Humiliation works just fine.
Shooting people over shit like this...not so much. |
Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #28)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:48 AM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
34. The guy is 75 years old and you want him to fight back by posting videos on Youtube
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #34)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:05 PM
Downtown Hound (8,195 posts)
39. So he can shoot somebody but not figure out how to use a computer?
Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #39)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:07 PM
msanthrope (16,441 posts)
40. And thus, you have described great swathes of America....nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #40)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:33 PM
TeamPooka (3,286 posts)
43. very correct.
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #34)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:58 PM
JackRiddler (19,338 posts)
50. Gaaaaa, you're taking this in a pretty hair-raising direction.
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Allegedly, HE MURDERED TWO PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD and you're talking about how they had it coming somehow because they should have been cleaner with their dog? Seriously?
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #34)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:06 PM
jpak (26,914 posts)
52. I seriesly hope you do not own a gun.
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yup
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:19 PM
NBachers (3,691 posts)
41. Yeah, I gotta say, this was avoidable. Don't keep dumping dog shit at your neighbor's front door.
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No, it's not a death penalty offense, but it's a fucked up thing to do. Fucked up behavior generates fucked up responses.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:57 PM
Cali_Democrat (14,658 posts)
49. Bullshit
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Dumping dog shit shouldn't lead to death.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #49)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:21 PM
BeyondGeography (21,290 posts)
53. No, but it could
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There were egging the old dude on, he snapped and now they're dead.
Better off passing on the whole dripping-feces-from-upstairs thing, don't you think? After all, there ARE a lot of guns in this country... |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #53)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:35 PM
Zoeisright (7,805 posts)
55. Thanks for admitting the real problem.
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"After all, there ARE a lot of guns in this country..."
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:34 PM
Zoeisright (7,805 posts)
54. Completely fucking wrong.
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The lesson here is that guns are too available, and are too easy to use when someone gets mad.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:46 AM
Buzz Clik (28,709 posts)
5. The answer to this problem, as with so many, is always the same:
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More guns.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:47 AM
gollygee (12,318 posts)
6. This is the problem I see with guns
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It isn't crazy people most of the time. It's sane people who get really pissed off. Even if they have a right to be pissed off, they don't have a right to kill people, and without guns they wouldn't be able to.
I don't know what the answer is. I don't think banning guns is realistic. I don't think mental health checks will make any real difference because not even all mentally ill people are identified, and so many violent people aren't mentally ill. Is there any reason to believe more mentally ill people are violent than people in the general population people are? Somehow we'd have to screen for violent tendencies to make a real difference in gun violence, but that seems unlikely. |
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:51 AM
libtodeath (1,081 posts)
7. Until we have sane restrictions and bans of guns this insanity will not stop
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
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Response to DagoT (Reply #8)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
RC (21,617 posts)
13. Too bad that you are probably correct.
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Welcome to DU.
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Response to RC (Reply #13)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:45 AM
bluedigger (10,572 posts)
14. I believe you meant to say, "Welcome back".
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Response to bluedigger (Reply #14)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:48 AM
RC (21,617 posts)
15. Why?
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I don't know anything about this poster, other than his current 2 posts...
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Response to RC (Reply #15)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:54 AM
bluedigger (10,572 posts)
16. The name is very familiar.
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The name was controversial and was mentioned in meta. Hard to believe this isn't a variant.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240210969 |
Response to bluedigger (Reply #16)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:43 AM
a la izquierda (7,493 posts)
31. My mom would shit if she heard that user's name. Nt
Response to a la izquierda (Reply #31)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:51 AM
independentpiney (1,172 posts)
36. I have a problem with that name
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Not sure I welcome whoever would use a name like that .
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:56 AM
alcibiades_mystery (28,397 posts)
17. Life is cheap, here and in the war zones
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Dog shit. Holding a weird looking package on a dusty road. An iPhone on the Red Line.
Bang bang. And you're dead. |
Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #17)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
sinkingfeeling (27,786 posts)
18. You are so correct.
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:06 AM
snappyturtle (11,773 posts)
19. Once AGAIN there were clues. This suspect obviously had expressed his
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feelings to the condo board and they did nothing! How many times have we heard about clues linked to the shooters? Sad. I feel so sad for those children and even the dog, for that matter.
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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #19)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:13 AM
JVS (60,524 posts)
22. By "did nothing"do you mean they should have turned the guy in or they should have cleaned up?
Response to JVS (Reply #22)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:22 AM
snappyturtle (11,773 posts)
25. Neither. From the video the resident with the baseball cap said the suspect reported the dog and
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noise problem to the condo board. Obviously the deceased were violating rules and the problems should have been resolved before the suspect went over the edge.
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Response to snappyturtle (Reply #25)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:47 AM
Hassin Bin Sober (8,611 posts)
33. By sayinng "clues" .....
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...you seem to be suggesting there was some threats of violence made by the perpetrator . if that's the case then the board should have acted and had the man arrested or at the very least contact the police .
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #33)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:33 PM
snappyturtle (11,773 posts)
57. You were reading a lot more into this than I intended. nt
Response to snappyturtle (Reply #57)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:34 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (8,611 posts)
58. Not the first time I misread something.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #58)
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:34 PM
snappyturtle (11,773 posts)
59. I do it regularly!
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:07 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
20. Mean, dumb, and inconsiderate of others is no way to go through life
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
justabob (2,825 posts)
23. Ugh.... awful story all the way around
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Obviously, Mr Kim's response was completely wrong and over the top, but the victims sure didn't do themselves any favors.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:17 AM
joeybee12 (41,659 posts)
24. That couple sounds like assholes...but being an asshole isn't
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a capital offense...I'd really like to know why the condo board didn't intervene.
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #24)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:23 AM
justabob (2,825 posts)
26. I see a lawsuit in their future
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It isn't a great neighborhood where this happened, and I doubt the board is all that active in anything. I have no idea for sure, but that is my guess.
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Response to justabob (Reply #26)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:28 AM
joeybee12 (41,659 posts)
27. Probably the people who run for the condo board have no clue about
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how they can be held liable for their actions or inactions...you're right, they're about to find out.
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #27)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:42 AM
justabob (2,825 posts)
30. actually I am curious who "the board" is
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It isn't clear, from the video or article, who the board is. Most of the places over there are 100% renters, and they typically don't have a HOA kind of thing going on. Again, I have no idea for sure, but it sounds like Mr Kim was complaining to management (aka slumlord) rather than an elected body like what is found in more upscale neighborhoods/complexes.
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Response to justabob (Reply #30)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:45 AM
joeybee12 (41,659 posts)
32. I live in a condo that I rent...most people here rent because they overbuilt
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and people can't sell them...anyway, there is an HOA board, I have no clue as to who is on it...so my point is it could be an HOA even though it seems like everyone is renting.
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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #32)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:48 AM
justabob (2,825 posts)
35. right... still curious about the situation here
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Oh well. Whoever they are, they aren't going to like what happens next.
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Response to justabob (Reply #35)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:01 PM
joeybee12 (41,659 posts)
38. Yup...and if they're smart, they'll lawyer up quick...nt
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:42 AM
Doctor_J (26,327 posts)
29. i don't see how
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the gun culture can decouple this tragedy from the proliferation of guns in the US. Yes, the guy was nuts. Yes, the couple were behaving like assholes. In most countries that does not end in murder.
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Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:54 AM
Lint Head (10,436 posts)
37. The turds should have been armed with assault weapons.
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:27 PM
MynameisBlarney (1,254 posts)
42. This is also over at Raw Story
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Seems there's more going on that just what was reported initially.
The two people that were murdered, were reportedly ex-cops, and had 7 people living in that apt over the shooters apt. Their dog(s) may have been involved in the mauling of the shooters wife. The shooter complained to management repeatedly about the noise and the dog shit and urine. But they did nothing. Can I blame the guy for being pissed off? Nope. I can blame him for pulling the trigger though. |
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:46 PM
Capt. Obvious (1,825 posts)
44. I can't believe people talk like this
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"When they come home today, their mother and their father is gone. Little baby, they call the newborn Little Mama, Little Mama is not going to never know her parents,” said Washington.
So the orphan is going to know her parents. "I heard about eight or nine gunshots just go off, ‘Bow, bow, bow,’ like three separate times,” said resident Michael Issa. “It was like, first there was two or three, then there was a pause for like 30 or 40 seconds and then there was another three or four shots, and there was a pause, and a couple more shots
"I waited for like three or four minutes and I ain't hear nothing. I came outside to smoke a cigarette and look upstairs and there's feet hanging over my head," he added. |
Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #44)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:50 PM
Comrade Grumpy (3,346 posts)
47. You must have led a sheltered life.
Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #47)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
Capt. Obvious (1,825 posts)
56. I'm always amused when people say that
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Like expecting people to not be ignorant and uneducated is somehow considered a "sheltered life" - or the converse: either being that way or knowing people like that is somehow a rich fulfilling life.
When these slack jawed yokels say something like, "I don't know no one with no college degree" - do people say to them, "You must live a sheltered life." |
Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:02 PM
jpak (26,914 posts)
51. He wuz just a'standin' hiz groun' agin dog feces tyranny
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an' deefended hiz cassel.
yup |

