Ah, America. Texas couple fatally shot in argument over dog feces

[sinkingfeeling]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/05/16850151-cops-texas-couple-fatally-shot-in-argument-over-dog-feces?lite

A couple with four children were shot and killed in an argument over dog feces on Monday, police in Texas said.

When officers arrived, they found two people, later identified as 32-year-old Michelle Jackson and 31-year-old Jamie Stafford, dead at the scene from apparent gunshot wounds. An infant inside the couple's apartment was not injured.

After talking with witnesses, police began searching for Chung Kim, a resident of the complex identified by residents as a man who lived in the unit below Stafford and Jackson and was seen leaving the complex after the shooting.

Investigators said the couple had been dumping dog feces on the patio and at the front door of Kim's apartment.

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4 more children without parents. America, where every disagreement can be settled with a gun.

[AndyA]

1. Guns for EVERYONE!

See, this worked out so well...

[BeyondGeography]

2. I think the lesson here is don't dump dogshit on your neighbor's stoop

[sinkingfeeling]

3. So you think doing so should get the death penalty?

[BeyondGeography]

4. Common sense got the death penalty here

After which, um, shit happens.

[cleanhippie]

9. You win this thread!

Common sense has died. Lacking simple respect for others and animals, a dog was given no option but to urinate and defecate on the balcony, over and over and over and over.

I wonder how this chain of events would have been different had respect for others been a priority?

[RC]

12. Happen to me.

I was not a happy camper. They were above me, on the 3rd floor, and used hot water in sub-zero weather to wash their deck down. Guess where it went? The people below me got it even worse, as they had a concrete slab.
http://rc.smugmug.com/Other/Dog-Piss/26130107_3PTXWB#!i=2171735486&k=wRJ8L8f

[KurtNYC]

10. Apparently it "dripped" down from the balcony above and had been for a year

The condo board did nothing to resolve this.

[BeyondGeography]

11. It is very sad

All they had to do was walk their dog instead of using their balcony as a litter box.

[shanti]

45. there was a "noise problem" too

and they had school age 4 kids. i remember living in a second story apartment with my rambunctious 3 year old son. my downstairs neighbors constantly complained about all the "noise" from my son running on the floor. (never mind the fact that there were 4 of them and they smoked cigs like chimneys and the smoke wafted up to my windows and into my apartment, and i said nothing about it!)

but you're right, the dead folks were too lazy to walk their damn dog! still....not something to shoot someone over!

[BeyondGeography]

48. Oh, I know...not defending the shooter

Just pointing out the obvious; those folks would still be alive if they weren't terrorizing this guy. Might seem like a strong word, but I'm sure that's how he felt. I've spent most of my life in apartments and there is nothing worse than a bad upstairs neighbor. You're at their mercy and these people didn't have any.

[Downtown Hound]

28. This is the 21st century

All you need to do when somebody pulls shit like this is set up a small video camera, catch them in the act, then sue them, get them evicted, put the video up on youtube or pass out copies to all the neighbors. Humiliation works just fine.

Shooting people over shit like this...not so much.

[BeyondGeography]

34. The guy is 75 years old and you want him to fight back by posting videos on Youtube

[Downtown Hound]

39. So he can shoot somebody but not figure out how to use a computer?

[msanthrope]

40. And thus, you have described great swathes of America....nt

[TeamPooka]

43. very correct.

[Comrade Grumpy]

46. Heh.

[JackRiddler]

50. Gaaaaa, you're taking this in a pretty hair-raising direction.

Allegedly, HE MURDERED TWO PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD and you're talking about how they had it coming somehow because they should have been cleaner with their dog? Seriously?

[jpak]

52. I seriesly hope you do not own a gun.

yup

[NBachers]

41. Yeah, I gotta say, this was avoidable. Don't keep dumping dog shit at your neighbor's front door.

No, it's not a death penalty offense, but it's a fucked up thing to do. Fucked up behavior generates fucked up responses.

[Cali_Democrat]

49. Bullshit

Dumping dog shit shouldn't lead to death.

[BeyondGeography]

53. No, but it could

There were egging the old dude on, he snapped and now they're dead.

Better off passing on the whole dripping-feces-from-upstairs thing, don't you think? After all, there ARE a lot of guns in this country...

[Zoeisright]

55. Thanks for admitting the real problem.

"After all, there ARE a lot of guns in this country..."

[Zoeisright]

54. Completely fucking wrong.

The lesson here is that guns are too available, and are too easy to use when someone gets mad.

[Buzz Clik]

5. The answer to this problem, as with so many, is always the same:

More guns.

[gollygee]

6. This is the problem I see with guns

It isn't crazy people most of the time. It's sane people who get really pissed off. Even if they have a right to be pissed off, they don't have a right to kill people, and without guns they wouldn't be able to.

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think banning guns is realistic. I don't think mental health checks will make any real difference because not even all mentally ill people are identified, and so many violent people aren't mentally ill. Is there any reason to believe more mentally ill people are violent than people in the general population people are?

Somehow we'd have to screen for violent tendencies to make a real difference in gun violence, but that seems unlikely.

[libtodeath]

7. Until we have sane restrictions and bans of guns this insanity will not stop

[RC]

13. Too bad that you are probably correct.

Welcome to DU.

[bluedigger]

14. I believe you meant to say, "Welcome back".

[RC]

15. Why?

I don't know anything about this poster, other than his current 2 posts...

[bluedigger]

16. The name is very familiar.

The name was controversial and was mentioned in meta. Hard to believe this isn't a variant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240210969

[a la izquierda]

31. My mom would shit if she heard that user's name. Nt

[independentpiney]

36. I have a problem with that name

Not sure I welcome whoever would use a name like that .

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Life is cheap, here and in the war zones

Dog shit. Holding a weird looking package on a dusty road. An iPhone on the Red Line.

Bang bang. And you're dead.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. You are so correct.

[snappyturtle]

19. Once AGAIN there were clues. This suspect obviously had expressed his

feelings to the condo board and they did nothing! How many times have we heard about clues linked to the shooters? Sad. I feel so sad for those children and even the dog, for that matter.

[JVS]

22. By "did nothing"do you mean they should have turned the guy in or they should have cleaned up?

[snappyturtle]

25. Neither. From the video the resident with the baseball cap said the suspect reported the dog and

noise problem to the condo board. Obviously the deceased were violating rules and the problems should have been resolved before the suspect went over the edge.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. By sayinng "clues" .....

...you seem to be suggesting there was some threats of violence made by the perpetrator . if that's the case then the board should have acted and had the man arrested or at the very least contact the police .

[snappyturtle]

57. You were reading a lot more into this than I intended. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

58. Not the first time I misread something.

[snappyturtle]

59. I do it regularly!

[slackmaster]

20. Mean, dumb, and inconsiderate of others is no way to go through life

[justabob]

23. Ugh.... awful story all the way around

Obviously, Mr Kim's response was completely wrong and over the top, but the victims sure didn't do themselves any favors.

[joeybee12]

24. That couple sounds like assholes...but being an asshole isn't

a capital offense...I'd really like to know why the condo board didn't intervene.

[justabob]

26. I see a lawsuit in their future

It isn't a great neighborhood where this happened, and I doubt the board is all that active in anything. I have no idea for sure, but that is my guess.

[joeybee12]

27. Probably the people who run for the condo board have no clue about

how they can be held liable for their actions or inactions...you're right, they're about to find out.

[justabob]

30. actually I am curious who "the board" is

It isn't clear, from the video or article, who the board is. Most of the places over there are 100% renters, and they typically don't have a HOA kind of thing going on. Again, I have no idea for sure, but it sounds like Mr Kim was complaining to management (aka slumlord) rather than an elected body like what is found in more upscale neighborhoods/complexes.

[joeybee12]

32. I live in a condo that I rent...most people here rent because they overbuilt

and people can't sell them...anyway, there is an HOA board, I have no clue as to who is on it...so my point is it could be an HOA even though it seems like everyone is renting.

[justabob]

35. right... still curious about the situation here

Oh well. Whoever they are, they aren't going to like what happens next.

[joeybee12]

38. Yup...and if they're smart, they'll lawyer up quick...nt

[Doctor_J]

29. i don't see how

the gun culture can decouple this tragedy from the proliferation of guns in the US. Yes, the guy was nuts. Yes, the couple were behaving like assholes. In most countries that does not end in murder.

[Lint Head]

37. The turds should have been armed with assault weapons.

[MynameisBlarney]

42. This is also over at Raw Story

Seems there's more going on that just what was reported initially.
The two people that were murdered, were reportedly ex-cops, and had 7 people living in that apt over the shooters apt.
Their dog(s) may have been involved in the mauling of the shooters wife.
The shooter complained to management repeatedly about the noise and the dog shit and urine.
But they did nothing.

Can I blame the guy for being pissed off?
Nope.

I can blame him for pulling the trigger though.

[Capt. Obvious]

44. I can't believe people talk like this

"When they come home today, their mother and their father is gone. Little baby, they call the newborn Little Mama, Little Mama is not going to never know her parents,” said Washington.

So the orphan is going to know her parents.

"I heard about eight or nine gunshots just go off, ‘Bow, bow, bow,’ like three separate times,” said resident Michael Issa. “It was like, first there was two or three, then there was a pause for like 30 or 40 seconds and then there was another three or four shots, and there was a pause, and a couple more shots

"I waited for like three or four minutes and I ain't hear nothing. I came outside to smoke a cigarette and look upstairs and there's feet hanging over my head," he added.

[Comrade Grumpy]

47. You must have led a sheltered life.

[Capt. Obvious]

56. I'm always amused when people say that

Like expecting people to not be ignorant and uneducated is somehow considered a "sheltered life" - or the converse: either being that way or knowing people like that is somehow a rich fulfilling life.

When these slack jawed yokels say something like, "I don't know no one with no college degree" - do people say to them, "You must live a sheltered life."

[jpak]

51. He wuz just a'standin' hiz groun' agin dog feces tyranny

an' deefended hiz cassel.

yup