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The Sandy Hook choir was gross emotional negligence by the kids parents..... (Original Post) galileoreloaded Feb 2013 OP
huh ? JI7 Feb 2013 #1
I didn't see it. Maybe the OP is suggesting that... NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #5
part of doing some of that is the experience of being a kid JI7 Feb 2013 #17
I mostly think that it's a good thing for the kids, but what a tough call. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #23
i think this was different from the inauguration though, this was more like a tribute JI7 Feb 2013 #26
I need an aspirin bluestateguy Feb 2013 #2
I'm going for the ibuprofen and then to bed to watch ESPN on my tablet. Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #11
You think the kids were forced to sing? That they didn't want to sing at the game? GodlessBiker Feb 2013 #3
No it wasn't. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #4
You're an idiot. Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #6
+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #12
It'll be worth it. Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #13
Hell no, keep it. proves a point. galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #22
you posted something critical about a very sensitive topic and your post makes no sense CreekDog Feb 2013 #30
The OP is quite clear and succinct and I encourage debate. galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #44
nobody seems to understand what you're saying, so the OP is bullshit CreekDog Feb 2013 #45
ok galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #48
Since your thread sucks I'll try to make it a little better for you snooper2 Feb 2013 #61
+1 krawhitham Feb 2013 #50
+1 Paladin Feb 2013 #53
I didn't see it. Why do think it was gross emotional negligence? nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #7
We are better than this pacalo Feb 2013 #8
or maybe justabob Feb 2013 #9
Are they old enough to appreciate what the superbowl is? I did not see Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #35
It was third & fourth graders, so they most likely were well aware... countryjake Feb 2013 #37
I think so justabob Feb 2013 #40
I am ambivalent when thinking about it Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #42
Yawn abelenkpe Feb 2013 #10
I think posts like this that dont give the story are absurd. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #14
I had odd feelings about this too, but I was wrong. Whisp Feb 2013 #15
no. farminator3000 Feb 2013 #16
Oh, unrec. MADem Feb 2013 #18
Who is the "We"? nevergiveup Feb 2013 #19
Don't know that I would call if "gross emotional negligence" but I didn't agree with it - lynne Feb 2013 #20
I agree. I can't think it can be good for them emotionally. nt Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #36
Oh my. pacalo Feb 2013 #43
The first sentence of your second paragraph treestar Feb 2013 #49
I think it was probably energizing and healing. defacto7 Feb 2013 #21
I agree with you goclark Feb 2013 #28
I disagree with your point of view. Marrah_G Feb 2013 #24
I know I still bear the emotional scars wickerwoman Feb 2013 #25
I was beginning to think I was the only person on Earth.... Jerry442 Feb 2013 #27
Perhaps one shouldn't assume they speak for them jeff47 Feb 2013 #33
So, let's make people forget about the Sandy Hook murders by putting kids from Sandy Hook on TV.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #38
Yeah, and you know so much more about each and every one of those kids than their own parents patrice Feb 2013 #29
The fuck? Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #31
this is bizarre CitizenPatriot Feb 2013 #32
"We are Sandy Hook and we choose love." countryjake Feb 2013 #34
Nonsense. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #39
How silly. RudynJack Feb 2013 #41
Huh?? n/t malaise Feb 2013 #46
first of all, Why do you think it was "gross emotional negligence"? cali Feb 2013 #47
And yet not one word about Wayne LaPiere's madness on malaise Feb 2013 #51
disagree Justice Feb 2013 #52
My first thought was.. ananda Feb 2013 #54
Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #55
The NFL is good at what they do. Self Promotion. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #56
1400 views, and zero recommendations for this post JPZenger Feb 2013 #57
faux outrage to create this weeks non-trovercy. Javaman Feb 2013 #58
Translation: The Choir's Appearance Was Enormously Effective. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #59
Why? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #60
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. I didn't see it. Maybe the OP is suggesting that...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:02 AM
Feb 2013

...any use or public display, exploitation, performance, march, song, poem, etc., beyond just being allowed to be a kid again, is somehow abusive or exploitative.

But, as I wrote, I didn't see anything.

JI7

(89,150 posts)
17. part of doing some of that is the experience of being a kid
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:10 AM
Feb 2013

for many in the United States.

like performing at a presidential inauguration. i wonder if they think the kids in the parade there were being exploited.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. I mostly think that it's a good thing for the kids, but what a tough call.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:15 AM
Feb 2013

a great experience, no doubt, but at what expense?

"I got to be at an important event... because I got to be at a horrific event.:

PTSD.... What helps, what hurts?

JI7

(89,150 posts)
26. i think this was different from the inauguration though, this was more like a tribute
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:18 AM
Feb 2013

for the lives lost at their school and for those who knew them.

while the inauguration would be more of a happy moment.

but it's not like they are being put out there to sell some sandy hook memorabilia .

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
11. I'm going for the ibuprofen and then to bed to watch ESPN on my tablet.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:05 AM
Feb 2013

I don't need this shit at this time of night.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
30. you posted something critical about a very sensitive topic and your post makes no sense
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:37 AM
Feb 2013

has no explanation and no substance.

in other words, you posted total bullshit and you are saying everyone is stupid for not agreeing with you, when half of us don't even know what the hell you are talking about.

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
44. The OP is quite clear and succinct and I encourage debate.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:34 AM
Feb 2013

I'm not saying anything other than what I said, but you seem to be hearing a lot. *shrug*

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
45. nobody seems to understand what you're saying, so the OP is bullshit
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:41 AM
Feb 2013

the idea is to communicate and when nobody knows what you're talking about and they're getting mad, you're just playing games with us.

and the logical explanation for that is that you don't like anybody here.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
61. Since your thread sucks I'll try to make it a little better for you
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:31 AM
Feb 2013

how about cars? Everyone loves a red sports car!



justabob

(3,069 posts)
9. or maybe
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:03 AM
Feb 2013

it was a really great and exciting thing for those kids to participate in the festivities of one of the biggest sporting events of the year.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
35. Are they old enough to appreciate what the superbowl is? I did not see
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:40 AM
Feb 2013

performance. I watched about five minutes of Beyonce and left the game to husband and instead have been surfing the net.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. It was third & fourth graders, so they most likely were well aware...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:49 AM
Feb 2013

of what it was they were standing in the middle of...the fifty yard line of a Super Bowl.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
40. I think so
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:10 AM
Feb 2013

They may not "get" the championship and what it means for the teams, and the advertisers, or gamblers, but certainly old enough to realize it is a big deal, and that not many kids get to do stuff like that. Maybe the others in this thread that said it was making the kids relive the trauma of the day are right, I don't know, but I don't think the Sandy Hook kids were any more exploited than the Joplin Mo Little League kids that got to participate in the World Series events after their town was ravaged by tornadoes a few years ago.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
42. I am ambivalent when thinking about it
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:21 AM
Feb 2013

It is still pretty soon after the tragedy. If they wanted to do something for the kids it would have been nicer to let them attend the game as just kids and not have them perform.A special treat for them and their families.

Instead it seems it would be a reminder of the incident dredged up again esp if they are just beginning to heal. I just don't know.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
15. I had odd feelings about this too, but I was wrong.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:08 AM
Feb 2013

and I think you are too.

It was a reminder, that's all. Not an exploitation or anything like that. That's what got me at first glance, that someone was using someone here but no, I don't think so. It was a legitimate tribute to the kids and the teachers that died and it was a very much needed reminder to keep on plugging away at gun laws and violence.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Oh, unrec.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:12 AM
Feb 2013

Trip to New Orleans with your folks, sing before a national audience, meet a very famous singer, take in the Super Bowl...it sounds like a nice opportunity to bond, have fun, share some excitement, and have a positive experience.

So, yeah... unrec.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
20. Don't know that I would call if "gross emotional negligence" but I didn't agree with it -
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:14 AM
Feb 2013

- however my reason is a bit different. These children have been through a horrific time and nothing will restore them to their before the massacre innocence. They need to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy and the first step towards that was getting them back to school. Yet - every time they go to an event like this - they are forced to relive it.

Let's face it, they wouldn't have been there had it not been for the massacre. Each and every time they participate, it dredges it up again for them. It's like ripping off a scab over and over and I fear that we are extending their misery instead of allowing them to heal.

I felt sad that they were there, sad not only for what occurred but for us putting them through it once again.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
43. Oh my.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:57 AM
Feb 2013
Yet - every time they go to an event like this - they are forced to relive it.

Each and every time they participate, it dredges it up again for them. It's like ripping off a scab over and over and I fear that we are extending their misery instead of allowing them to heal.

I felt sad that they were there, sad not only for what occurred but for us putting them through it once again.


Here's the reality; the picture speaks volumes:

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. The first sentence of your second paragraph
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:23 AM
Feb 2013

That is what gives me pause about the whole thing.

I could not quite articulate it, but you did.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
21. I think it was probably energizing and healing.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:14 AM
Feb 2013

Certainly it's a way to get them out, and to feel alive, and show them there is more to the world and the future than their worst nightmares.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
28. I agree with you
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:26 AM
Feb 2013

I have been an Educator for a number of years.

I thought the children were lovely.
In no way did they seem sad or upset.
In my view, they will have fond memories of the experience and I could feel the love from the audience as I watched the performance.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
25. I know I still bear the emotional scars
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:16 AM
Feb 2013

of having to sing "We are the World" in assembly after the Berlin Wall fell.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
27. I was beginning to think I was the only person on Earth....
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:20 AM
Feb 2013

...who thought the performance by the Sandy Hook kids was grotesque. The message is, "See. They're fine. They are getting on with their lives. They love their country and they just love singing patriotic songs."

They are not fine. Even though blessed with the resilience of children, they will not be fine for a long, long time. Their parents are not fine. The murdered children will never be fine. Their parents will never be fine.

We have become entirely too smooth at putting these kind of murders behind us. We should suffer with those who suffer so that we might actually do something about it, not be converting tragedies into warm, fuzzy inspirational spectacles.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. Perhaps one shouldn't assume they speak for them
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:48 AM
Feb 2013

We have no idea if they are "fine" or not.

We have no idea if the excitement and adventure of doing this let them forget about "their troubles" for a while.

On the other hand, their parents might have a fucking clue about their own children, and they decided to go on this trip.

We have become entirely too smooth at putting these kind of murders behind us

Yes, so we clearly need to shove away any remembrance of those murders away, since that would be evil exploitation.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
38. So, let's make people forget about the Sandy Hook murders by putting kids from Sandy Hook on TV....
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:52 AM
Feb 2013

....to sing at halftime during the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that makes sense. Try again.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
29. Yeah, and you know so much more about each and every one of those kids than their own parents
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:33 AM
Feb 2013

do, all without the respect of having a person to person conversation with even one of them.

It's possible to characterize your OP as abuse of the children and what happened to them, using them to aggrandize whatever it is that you think of yourself as whatever armchair psychiatrist. Maybe it's not that, but it is at least interesting that you don't appear to be aware of the possibility that OP can be perceived that way.

CitizenPatriot

(3,783 posts)
32. this is bizarre
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:46 AM
Feb 2013

it's this kind of thinking that somehow makes it bad to remind people of an awful tragedy. That kind of thinking is what keeps anything from changing. But maybe that is the point of your objection.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
34. "We are Sandy Hook and we choose love."
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:35 AM
Feb 2013

That statement from the Sandy Hook elementary school choir says it all for me.

Those twenty six kids opted to sing their little hearts out in beautiful tribute to their lost classmates and teachers...they brought their poignant reminder onto the grandest most-watched stage that this country has to offer and delivered a message of strength, hope, and peace...quiet simple honor in the midst of a wild time of revelry and shameless festivities celebrating an all-American sport.

I was floored by their performance...it is the only thing I cared about watching on this big stupid super football Sunday.

I choose to sing right along with those children.

Healing.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
47. first of all, Why do you think it was "gross emotional negligence"?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:50 AM
Feb 2013

In other words, how were they/could they be harmed? Do you think they were forced against their will to do this? I suspect it was just a cool exciting thing for the kids just as it would be for the vast majority of children. And how do you know this was in the service of a political agenda? Clue: You don't.

Justice

(7,182 posts)
52. disagree
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:31 AM
Feb 2013

I thought it was a beautiful moment.

I also think having Jennifer Hudson sing with them was beautiful. She knows their pain.

I saw strength and I saw survivors standing them singing. Gave me chills.

ananda

(28,758 posts)
54. My first thought was..
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:26 AM
Feb 2013

.. I can't believe they're letting themselves be exploited like this.

But there you are. We are a celebrity crazy country.

Javaman

(62,394 posts)
58. faux outrage to create this weeks non-trovercy.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:18 AM
Feb 2013

you tried but failed to attain your few minutes of internet fame.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,053 posts)
60. Why?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:29 AM
Feb 2013

Do we need to bury our heads in the sand about a national tragedy?

Or God forbid, do something nice for a group of kids who've just been through a horrific traumatizing event?

Every single student and teacher in that school, minus the 26 who didn't make it out alive, were forced to live through an event that felt truly like a nightmare, except it was 100% real. Give the kids a break, why don't you?

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