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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:58 PM

 

The Sandy Hook choir was gross emotional negligence by the kids parents.....

and no political agenda or attempt to highlight an issue is a valid excuse.

We are better than this.

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Reply The Sandy Hook choir was gross emotional negligence by the kids parents..... (Original post)
galileoreloaded Feb 2013 OP
JI7 Feb 2013 #1
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #5
JI7 Feb 2013 #17
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #23
JI7 Feb 2013 #26
bluestateguy Feb 2013 #2
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #11
GodlessBiker Feb 2013 #3
Kalidurga Feb 2013 #4
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #6
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #12
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #13
galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #22
CreekDog Feb 2013 #30
galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #44
CreekDog Feb 2013 #45
galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #48
snooper2 Feb 2013 #61
krawhitham Feb 2013 #50
Paladin Feb 2013 #53
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #7
pacalo Feb 2013 #8
justabob Feb 2013 #9
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #35
countryjake Feb 2013 #37
justabob Feb 2013 #40
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #42
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #10
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Whisp Feb 2013 #15
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #16
MADem Feb 2013 #18
nevergiveup Feb 2013 #19
lynne Feb 2013 #20
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #36
pacalo Feb 2013 #43
treestar Feb 2013 #49
defacto7 Feb 2013 #21
goclark Feb 2013 #28
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #24
wickerwoman Feb 2013 #25
Jerry442 Feb 2013 #27
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countryjake Feb 2013 #34
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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:59 PM

1. huh ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:02 AM

5. I didn't see it. Maybe the OP is suggesting that...

...any use or public display, exploitation, performance, march, song, poem, etc., beyond just being allowed to be a kid again, is somehow abusive or exploitative.

But, as I wrote, I didn't see anything.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:10 AM

17. part of doing some of that is the experience of being a kid

for many in the United States.

like performing at a presidential inauguration. i wonder if they think the kids in the parade there were being exploited.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:15 AM

23. I mostly think that it's a good thing for the kids, but what a tough call.

a great experience, no doubt, but at what expense?

"I got to be at an important event... because I got to be at a horrific event.:

PTSD.... What helps, what hurts?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:18 AM

26. i think this was different from the inauguration though, this was more like a tribute

for the lives lost at their school and for those who knew them.

while the inauguration would be more of a happy moment.

but it's not like they are being put out there to sell some sandy hook memorabilia .

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:01 AM

2. I need an aspirin

nt

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:05 AM

11. I'm going for the ibuprofen and then to bed to watch ESPN on my tablet.

I don't need this shit at this time of night.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:01 AM

3. You think the kids were forced to sing? That they didn't want to sing at the game?

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:01 AM

4. No it wasn't.

It may have been a healing moment in fact.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:02 AM

6. You're an idiot.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:05 AM

12. +1

You'll probably lose this post, but I'm with you all the way.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:07 AM

13. It'll be worth it.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:15 AM

22. Hell no, keep it. proves a point.

 

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:37 AM

30. you posted something critical about a very sensitive topic and your post makes no sense

has no explanation and no substance.

in other words, you posted total bullshit and you are saying everyone is stupid for not agreeing with you, when half of us don't even know what the hell you are talking about.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:34 AM

44. The OP is quite clear and succinct and I encourage debate.

 

I'm not saying anything other than what I said, but you seem to be hearing a lot. *shrug*

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 AM

45. nobody seems to understand what you're saying, so the OP is bullshit

the idea is to communicate and when nobody knows what you're talking about and they're getting mad, you're just playing games with us.

and the logical explanation for that is that you don't like anybody here.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:19 AM

48. ok

 

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:31 AM

61. Since your thread sucks I'll try to make it a little better for you

how about cars? Everyone loves a red sports car!



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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:41 AM

50. +1

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:25 AM

53. +1

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:02 AM

7. I didn't see it. Why do think it was gross emotional negligence? nt

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:03 AM

8. We are better than this

pathetic remark.

If it hit a nerve, good.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:03 AM

9. or maybe

it was a really great and exciting thing for those kids to participate in the festivities of one of the biggest sporting events of the year.

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Response to justabob (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:40 AM

35. Are they old enough to appreciate what the superbowl is? I did not see

performance. I watched about five minutes of Beyonce and left the game to husband and instead have been surfing the net.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:49 AM

37. It was third & fourth graders, so they most likely were well aware...

of what it was they were standing in the middle of...the fifty yard line of a Super Bowl.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:10 AM

40. I think so

They may not "get" the championship and what it means for the teams, and the advertisers, or gamblers, but certainly old enough to realize it is a big deal, and that not many kids get to do stuff like that. Maybe the others in this thread that said it was making the kids relive the trauma of the day are right, I don't know, but I don't think the Sandy Hook kids were any more exploited than the Joplin Mo Little League kids that got to participate in the World Series events after their town was ravaged by tornadoes a few years ago.

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Response to justabob (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:21 AM

42. I am ambivalent when thinking about it

It is still pretty soon after the tragedy. If they wanted to do something for the kids it would have been nicer to let them attend the game as just kids and not have them perform.A special treat for them and their families.

Instead it seems it would be a reminder of the incident dredged up again esp if they are just beginning to heal. I just don't know.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:03 AM

10. Yawn

Yeah whatever reloaded I'm sure you have no political agenda either. You make me

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:08 AM

14. I think posts like this that dont give the story are absurd. nm

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:08 AM

15. I had odd feelings about this too, but I was wrong.

 

and I think you are too.

It was a reminder, that's all. Not an exploitation or anything like that. That's what got me at first glance, that someone was using someone here but no, I don't think so. It was a legitimate tribute to the kids and the teachers that died and it was a very much needed reminder to keep on plugging away at gun laws and violence.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:08 AM

16. no.



^^^^^

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:12 AM

18. Oh, unrec.

Trip to New Orleans with your folks, sing before a national audience, meet a very famous singer, take in the Super Bowl...it sounds like a nice opportunity to bond, have fun, share some excitement, and have a positive experience.

So, yeah... unrec.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:14 AM

19. Who is the "We"?

And what is the "this"? I have tried really hard to understand this post and I am lost.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:14 AM

20. Don't know that I would call if "gross emotional negligence" but I didn't agree with it -

- however my reason is a bit different. These children have been through a horrific time and nothing will restore them to their before the massacre innocence. They need to try to get back to some semblance of normalcy and the first step towards that was getting them back to school. Yet - every time they go to an event like this - they are forced to relive it.

Let's face it, they wouldn't have been there had it not been for the massacre. Each and every time they participate, it dredges it up again for them. It's like ripping off a scab over and over and I fear that we are extending their misery instead of allowing them to heal.

I felt sad that they were there, sad not only for what occurred but for us putting them through it once again.

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Response to lynne (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:42 AM

36. I agree. I can't think it can be good for them emotionally. nt

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Response to lynne (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:57 AM

43. Oh my.

Yet - every time they go to an event like this - they are forced to relive it.

Each and every time they participate, it dredges it up again for them. It's like ripping off a scab over and over and I fear that we are extending their misery instead of allowing them to heal.

I felt sad that they were there, sad not only for what occurred but for us putting them through it once again.


Here's the reality; the picture speaks volumes:

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Response to lynne (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:23 AM

49. The first sentence of your second paragraph

That is what gives me pause about the whole thing.

I could not quite articulate it, but you did.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:14 AM

21. I think it was probably energizing and healing.

Certainly it's a way to get them out, and to feel alive, and show them there is more to the world and the future than their worst nightmares.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:26 AM

28. I agree with you


I have been an Educator for a number of years.

I thought the children were lovely.
In no way did they seem sad or upset.
In my view, they will have fond memories of the experience and I could feel the love from the audience as I watched the performance.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:15 AM

24. I disagree with your point of view.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:16 AM

25. I know I still bear the emotional scars

of having to sing "We are the World" in assembly after the Berlin Wall fell.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:20 AM

27. I was beginning to think I was the only person on Earth....

...who thought the performance by the Sandy Hook kids was grotesque. The message is, "See. They're fine. They are getting on with their lives. They love their country and they just love singing patriotic songs."

They are not fine. Even though blessed with the resilience of children, they will not be fine for a long, long time. Their parents are not fine. The murdered children will never be fine. Their parents will never be fine.

We have become entirely too smooth at putting these kind of murders behind us. We should suffer with those who suffer so that we might actually do something about it, not be converting tragedies into warm, fuzzy inspirational spectacles.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:48 AM

33. Perhaps one shouldn't assume they speak for them

We have no idea if they are "fine" or not.

We have no idea if the excitement and adventure of doing this let them forget about "their troubles" for a while.

On the other hand, their parents might have a fucking clue about their own children, and they decided to go on this trip.

We have become entirely too smooth at putting these kind of murders behind us

Yes, so we clearly need to shove away any remembrance of those murders away, since that would be evil exploitation.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:52 AM

38. So, let's make people forget about the Sandy Hook murders by putting kids from Sandy Hook on TV....

....to sing at halftime during the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that makes sense. Try again.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:33 AM

29. Yeah, and you know so much more about each and every one of those kids than their own parents

do, all without the respect of having a person to person conversation with even one of them.

It's possible to characterize your OP as abuse of the children and what happened to them, using them to aggrandize whatever it is that you think of yourself as whatever armchair psychiatrist. Maybe it's not that, but it is at least interesting that you don't appear to be aware of the possibility that OP can be perceived that way.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:41 AM

31. The fuck?

 

Whatever.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:46 AM

32. this is bizarre

it's this kind of thinking that somehow makes it bad to remind people of an awful tragedy. That kind of thinking is what keeps anything from changing. But maybe that is the point of your objection.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:35 AM

34. "We are Sandy Hook and we choose love."

That statement from the Sandy Hook elementary school choir says it all for me.

Those twenty six kids opted to sing their little hearts out in beautiful tribute to their lost classmates and teachers...they brought their poignant reminder onto the grandest most-watched stage that this country has to offer and delivered a message of strength, hope, and peace...quiet simple honor in the midst of a wild time of revelry and shameless festivities celebrating an all-American sport.

I was floored by their performance...it is the only thing I cared about watching on this big stupid super football Sunday.

I choose to sing right along with those children.

Healing.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:01 AM

39. Nonsense.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:14 AM

41. How silly.

I'll make a note to avoid DU next Superbowl. It brings out the crazy.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:45 AM

46. Huh?? n/t

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:50 AM

47. first of all, Why do you think it was "gross emotional negligence"?

In other words, how were they/could they be harmed? Do you think they were forced against their will to do this? I suspect it was just a cool exciting thing for the kids just as it would be for the vast majority of children. And how do you know this was in the service of a political agenda? Clue: You don't.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:25 AM

51. And yet not one word about Wayne LaPiere's madness on

Fox yesterday.
Ah well!!!

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:31 AM

52. disagree

I thought it was a beautiful moment.

I also think having Jennifer Hudson sing with them was beautiful. She knows their pain.

I saw strength and I saw survivors standing them singing. Gave me chills.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:26 AM

54. My first thought was..

.. I can't believe they're letting themselves be exploited like this.

But there you are. We are a celebrity crazy country.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:31 AM

55. Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:35 AM

56. The NFL is good at what they do. Self Promotion.

Some things are really better left unsaid.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:39 AM

57. 1400 views, and zero recommendations for this post

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:18 AM

58. faux outrage to create this weeks non-trovercy.

you tried but failed to attain your few minutes of internet fame.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:27 AM

59. Translation: The Choir's Appearance Was Enormously Effective. (nt)

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Response to galileoreloaded (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:29 AM

60. Why?

Do we need to bury our heads in the sand about a national tragedy?

Or God forbid, do something nice for a group of kids who've just been through a horrific traumatizing event?

Every single student and teacher in that school, minus the 26 who didn't make it out alive, were forced to live through an event that felt truly like a nightmare, except it was 100% real. Give the kids a break, why don't you?

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