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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:21 PM

Holding the steering wheel at 10 and 2 o'clock is no longer recommended



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Reply Holding the steering wheel at 10 and 2 o'clock is no longer recommended (Original post)
DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP
hollysmom Jan 2013 #1
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Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #10
kysrsoze Feb 2013 #76
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #85
MADem Feb 2013 #107
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #120
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diane in sf Jan 2013 #6
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Control-Z Jan 2013 #9
Roland99 Feb 2013 #78
JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2013 #86
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Roland99 Feb 2013 #113
kentauros Feb 2013 #100
clydefrand Feb 2013 #108
kentauros Feb 2013 #115
Control-Z Feb 2013 #110
kentauros Feb 2013 #114
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #11
DainBramaged Jan 2013 #13
Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #20
freshwest Feb 2013 #48
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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:28 PM

1. Interesting,.

I think the 8 and 4 position is too low because if you lose power steering, you will lose control of a car.

I also remember when a tire blew out because of ? it was not an old tire, so very unexpected, Holding the wheel higher seemed to let me keep control.

I do take the air bag thing into consideration though, did not think of that danger.

Thanks for the information, good to know.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:30 PM

2. Not for a long time.

Years. Take a yearly driving safety course.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:32 PM

3. I prefer one hand at 11 oclock, and one hand on the manual transmission.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:47 PM

10. I am close to that...

I find my left hand at 8:00 and my right hand on the console shifter both comfortable and responsive.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:28 AM

76. Yes, indeed!

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:24 AM

85. Ever driven a right hand drive manual transmission?

I found it quite disconcerting going from British right hand drive cars to a manual American one - I was used to leaving my right hand on the wheel, which feels much safer than leaving the left hand on it and taking the right hand off (I am right handed). It took quite some time to get used to (not a problem with automatic transmissions, because you only do it when you're stationary). I wonder how someone used to a left hand drive car would feel.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:17 PM

107. When I lived in Europe and Japan, I had a lot of fun adjusting!

I drove manual transmissions in all environments, because I like them better--but it's a bit of a trick to re-calibrate the brain to shift with right hand instead of left, and vice versa.

I did a fair share of both travelling AND driving in new locations, switching from left to right, so I had the experience of adjusting, and then adjusting back.

It helps if you "know the route" when you first get into the vehicle--then it's "automatic pilot" and you don't have to think so much!

I never had trouble staying on the proper side of the road--my brain was wired to keep the center line closest to "my" side of the car. This only became problematic if I drove an American car in Japan or UK--then I had to "think."

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Response to MADem (Reply #107)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:01 PM

120. I get that driving a British car on the European continent

Once you're going, it's OK; the problem is pulling out from a car park, or somewhere else where you're not really on one side or the other, and your brain automatically switches to what you're used to.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #120)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:05 PM

122. Bingo--exactly. UK car in Europe--keep the sidewalk closest to you! Repeat to yourself, often!

Tape an arrow to the dash with masking tape, pointing to the right!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:52 PM

125. I've driven on the wrong side of the road. . . .

But whenever I've driven on the wrong side, the cars were american, so the car was left hand drive (the driver was close to the curb when driving). Its odd, because the car feels normal, but you have to really think whenever you make a turn since its very easy to get on the wrong side.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #85)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:24 AM

143. I can't imagine trying to shift with my left hand.

It just feels wrong.

Of course, if I grew up that way, it might be a different story.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:30 AM

87. You are talking about cars, right?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:40 AM

92. That was how I drove for the first two years

Until my parents gave me a 3-day racing class for my 18th birthday (seriously, WTF were they thinking!) - right off, the instructor sent me through a chicane with a downshift; right into the gravel. No way can you give the car enough or fast enough input with one hand. It's not just handy for the track, either...I was lucky not to get into any emergency situations needing that kind of maneuvering on the street before I knew better.

To this day it's hands on the side spokes, usually 9-and-three, with a quick smooth stab at whatever controls need to be manipulated and nothing short of Schumacher himself is going to convince me to change that.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:14 PM

105. I was taught that keeping a hand on the stick was bad practice...


It may be only relevant to older transmissions, but that it can disengage "enough" to wear the gears.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:49 PM

117. That's about the way I drive

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:38 PM

4. Interesting...indeed

And it maes sense actually.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM

5. Good informative post, thanks.

I use the 3 and 9 o'clock because that makes it's easier to access the steering mounted controls.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM

6. I lways do 8 and 4, it's more comfortable and my hand is closer to the shift.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:41 PM

7. I've been an 8 & 4 person for a long time without this knowledge, mostly out of comfort.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:45 PM

8. I will try to stay off the road at those times.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:20 AM

60. :)

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:47 PM

9. They've been teaching 9 and 3

I have a kid learning right now. What is this? 8 and 4? Come on.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:41 AM

78. At Exotic Driving courses across the country, they request hands at 9 and 3.

But, that's not quite the same as driving on regular roads

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #78)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:28 AM

86. I'm almost afraid to ask about "exotic driving" in Florida ...

... but I'm sure it's very strange an wonderful.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #86)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:16 PM

95. heh

just like other courses. Your choice of Ferrari (430 or 458), Lambo (Superleggera), Aston Martin Virage, Audi R8 or Nissan GT-R. I've done the latter two. Quite fun!!

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #95)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:54 PM

99. Oh, THAT kind of exotic driving! Whew!

I was thinking of something slower, with more back-and-forth rocking motion.

Like Jeeps on a field of boulders.

In Florida, I'd expect the driving to be done naked, except for boots, one driving glove, and a beer in the other hand.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:36 PM

113. Well, that could get dangerous in the summer...

ya see...I have black leather seats....



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Response to Control-Z (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:01 PM

100. I remember seeing excerpts from an Emergency Driving handbook

that also taught to have the hands at 9 and 3. Isn't that the same position professional drivers take, too?

I've been using 9 and 3 for decades now, and find it's the best position when driving in traffic. If traffic is light or sparse, I'll drop to 8 and 4 (or "worse", just 8 )

Oh, and I got into an argument with a coworker some years ago about how 9 and 3 is safer. She simply couldn't accept it, having learned 10 and 2 as if there could be no other possible way.

At least she didn't drive with hands at 11:59 and 12:01...

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Response to kentauros (Reply #100)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:20 PM

108. When driving using my left knee to steer

I hold it at about 7:30 (unless need sharp curves).

(oh, and I only use my right knee when I'm on the interstate and can use my cruise control)

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Response to clydefrand (Reply #108)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:40 PM

115. I'm glad my car doesn't have cruise control,

as much as I'd love to be able to use it. Because no one else seems to drive a constant speed. Either they don't have working speedometers, or they have no clue how to drive. I'm guessing the latter

I recall the steering wheel on my father's old MGB was so large that driving by knee was almost involuntary!

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Response to kentauros (Reply #100)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:28 PM

110. Lol.

"At least she didn't drive with hands at 11:59 and 12:01..." Or with her knee!

And yes, I've been told that 9 and 3 are the positions used by professional drivers. It is supposed to be the optimum position to lock elbows and maintain or regain control of the wheel in an accident. Also, the steering wheel controls are right there. How would I adjust the radio or answer the phone if my hands were in a different position? Lol.

So I'm pretty much a 9 and 3 gal. But on a Sunday afternoon, when there is no traffic, I slip into a lazy 8 and 2 position. (Odd, right?)

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #110)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:37 PM

114. We need to put clock-markings on our steering wheels

so we can re-post here with exact minute and second placements of our hands

I am guilty of knee-driving, too, though I know for a fact that I simply cannot drive a straight line if I have to fiddle with something, like my media-player. It's best to just let that cut (or album) play out until I can stop somewhere, or get a red light. Of course, when I want to use a red light, they never are red

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:48 PM

11. Excellent...I simply wont hold the steering wheel anymore.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:55 PM

13. You made a funny, thank you

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:05 PM

20. :)

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:33 AM

48. I used to work with a guy who made a point of using his knees. He said it was useful at times.

I won't go into the reasons the gave, but at least I didn't slap him, just rolled my eyes...



Romans and Russians...


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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:07 AM

38. this is how I hold my wheel

 

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Response to Whisp (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:34 PM

138. Hahahah +10000

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:50 PM

12. CA dropped it from the licensing road test years ago

When I returned to the state more than a decade ago, I had to take a road test. Having grown up and taken HS Driver Ed here, I automatically did the 10/2 position--wherepon the tester told me, "we don't require that any more." Once upon a time, they used to deduct points for not using the 10/2.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 PM

14. So, does this mean I have to move my suicide knob?

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:57 PM

15. I used to roll perfect joints on the freeway while driving with my left knee...

For what that's worth...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:11 PM

25. Too damn funny!

Of course you were driving at 40 mph.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:07 AM

37. I still do that.

I'm usually more prepared though.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:55 AM

80. +1

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:34 AM

89. i used to could do that driving a stick. in the city!

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:16 PM

106. Thus keeping keeping your hands at 4:20

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:35 PM

112. Thanks. You just made me spit me beer all over the dashboard.

I guess what they say is true... The best comedy is rooted in truth.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:59 PM

16. Nine-O-Clock.

With my fingertips.

Driving one of these:



No airbag though.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:07 PM

21. That is one dangerous fucking job

TRUE story


1968, at the Chevy dealership I apprenticed at. RAINING like all hell in the late spring. TOP OF THE CARRIER (back in the day, not so safe). Dark green Corvette coupe. Driver starts to back down, car slips 1/4 way down the upper ramps, hits the gas, catches, OVER THE TOP up in the air rolls over in mid air and LANDS on the roof middle of the highway. Horrific noise. People scrambling to get the car turned over and get traffic stopped. Guy wasn't seriously hurt but he got taken away and Anchor Motor freight (defunct) in their baby blue transporters came later to pick up their trailer and the 'Vette pushed by a snowplow back into the lot.


Not me.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:22 PM

27. These trucks will try and kill you.

If they can't, they'll try as hard as they can to maim you. And they do. It happens all the time. Car haul is one of the most, if not THE most dangerous trucking disciplines out there.

At any large auto transport company with a roster of over 100 drivers, the top seniority guys were what we called at one co. (Teamster gig in Mich) "The walking wounded"

Most of the top 20 on the seniority board walked with a limp.

I have broken both thumbs, my right one twice.
Broke my right ankle
Sprained the living hell out of my left, that blew up like a grapefruit. Literally.
Cut my forehead open several times.
Left tufts of hair on an upper deck (I do a much better job of ducking now!)
The fingernail on my left middle finger has just now grown back from a smashing 6 months ago.
Bruised ribs.
Bruises as a matter of course.
Working outside loading and unloading in all types of weather. Put on a load of Fords in Wayne Michigan when the snow was coming down one and a half inches an hour SIDEWAYS

And I have to be behind the wheel at 6:15 in the morning to drive 75 miles to the port of Brunswick to load nine for a 3-way to Punta Gorda, Cape Coral and the Fort Myers Airport.

Luckily it will only be in the 30's when I hit the road.

Nighty night! Drive safe!

(A HERETIC I AM - closing on 1.9 million career miles accident free. 195,000 of those in the last 2 years, 4 months)

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:28 AM

77. "closing on 1.9 million career miles accident free" -congratulations to you. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #77)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:51 AM

79. Thanks! n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:27 PM

109. Then you weren't the guy who scraped off my driver's side and pushed me off the road!

I was in the slow lane going the usual five over the speed limit--the guy in the car carrier was in a hellacious hurry. He went around me and "forgot" I was there. I coulda been killled, but I reacted fast and headed for the grassy knoll. I'm pretty sure he was hopped up on something--the statie who turned up at the scene thought so, too.

I did get a new driver's side out of it, and a paint job...but I also aged a few years!

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Response to MADem (Reply #109)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:20 PM

123. Nope!

I'm really sorry that sort of thing happened to you, or for that matter, that it happens at all.

The amount of drug use and abuse, be they "whites" (speed) or anything else has really gone down considerably from the days when I started OTR. Pre employment and random drug screening were voluntary on a company's part back then and it wasn't till 89 or 1990 with the full implementation of the CDL nationwide that the majority of drivers began being tested.

The fact is though, some truckers, perhaps way too many, are quite simply assholes.

On behalf of the thousands of professional, competent and courteous car haulers out there, please accept my apology for the behavior of that dickhead.

I am so very glad you werent injured.

I am on the road and posting from my phone ( I have a new hire/trainee doing the driving, so I'm not texting while behind the wheel, I promise) but when I get home on my PC tomorrow, I'll put up a link to this one dumbass car haulers YouTube page. He is a perfect example of a dickhead driver, actually putting up videos of him having an accident in heavy traffic just because he wouldn't fucking lift and let someone into his lane. He has several videos that CLEARLY show him breaking the law, including one where he is pulled over in Virginia because the troopers radar detector detector went off. He had one and was guilty as hell ( radar detectors have been illegal to use in commercial vehicles since the early 1990's) but got away with it because the cops couldn't find the unit in his truck.

It's god damned idiots like that who screw the reputation of an entire industry.

Once again, I'm so very sorry you had that happen to you and I'm really glad you are OK

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #123)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:23 AM

129. I was a bit "shocked," but I'm fine.

Years ago as a consequence of my work, I took a "defensive/evasive driving" type course, it was one of these things where they taught ya how to handle weather, oil, funny surfaces, and accidents/people wanting to do you harm; that kind of stuff. The thing they drilled in, over and over, was to always be looking for "the way out" even before anything happens. When the guy hit me, my first thought was "Find the damn way out" so I got away from him as quick as I could.

The guy who hit me was an irresponsible putz, but his company was real stand-up. They didn't screw around, came right out and fixed my car, gave me a rental, didn't argue when the job took longer than expected. The car is a bit of antique, an 86 Pontiac, and now it looks, quite literally, showroom new (at least from the outside--I really need to get a radio, my old "tape player" one has been dead for some time).

I'll admit I'm a bit warier than I used to be when any massive vehicle rolls up near me, but I don't hold it against drivers in general--shit happens; I'm glad no one got hurt, and my old car didn't end up totalled!

You stay safe, now--anyone on the road can be inattentive (as I'm sure you've learned over the years).

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Response to MADem (Reply #129)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:38 PM

133. Whoever taught you "The Way Out" was spot bleedin' on!

The term used by my original instructor was "Look for an out" - same thing.

It is something that should be a habit, but can be difficult to make one unless you are thinking about it regularly. I've found that these days, I almost subconsciously don't put my truck, or my car for that matter, in a position where there is no "out"

The right lane of most stretches of the interstate is perfect for this, obviously because there is generally a breakdown lane or a shoulder of some sort.

Some may think the middle lane of a 3 lane stretch of highway is just as good, but it isn't. What if the truck or the car that is the hazard is coming from the right? The right lane is always better.

I applaud you for taking such a course. I'm quite sure it has made you a better driver.

Below is a link that guys YouTube channel I mentioned. The first video that appears is the one of him getting pulled over by VA SP for the Radar Detector.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ngabell

I found this guys channel about a year or so ago, looked through a few of them and then I watched this video;



If you look through the comments, you'll see several that responded to comments I made (I use "ahereticiam" on YouTube) but MY comments were deleted by NGABell ! Why? Because I called him out on his obvious inexperience! Starting at about the :15 second mark, he begins the procedure for unloading the car behind the cab. At the :56 second point, he shows that he has moved the deck the car sits on toward the trailer, but the "Flippers" he is going to use to move the car onto the trailer are set too high. I asked him why he set them so high and he told me because they flex down and that way he wouldn't damage the car. I told him he was wrong, that yeah, sure they flex, but not by 6 inches and he is risking damaging the underside as he rolled over them.

He didn't like that!

I also asked him why at the 1:10 mark, as he opens the door to get into the car why he didn't place his glove between the car door and the steel structure of the transporter to ensure he didn't scratch or damage the door as he climbed into the car.

He told me it was "So I don't get the car dirty!"

I told him no self respecting car hauler with ANY experience does it that way, that it is a hell of a lot easier to clean off a little dirt than to repair a scratch or a dent and that he clearly had a lot to learn about being a car hauler, much less a truck driver, based on this and the other videos I watched that showed his immaturity behind the wheel.

He didn't like that either!

He deleted my comments and banned me from making any more on his videos!! LOL

Some people don't like criticism! Hee hee.

So I get called a "Bitch", a "C*NT", a "fat bleeding twat" and an arrogant rat by his fans in the comments section!

Ahhhh...good times...good times!

He apparently deleted the other one I mentioned before where he hit someone because he didn't like the idea they were trying to squeeze in at the last minute in heavy traffic. Good, because he was an ass and completely at fault.

But here's a short :16 second one of him hitting a car that cut in front of him, just because he could. Titled "Take That, Bitch"



Has this happened to me?

Yup, sure has. It happens to everyone sooner or later if you drive enough miles. Hell, most people are guilty of doing something similar themselves.

Does it justify tagging the person in the rear instead of just lifting or braking a bit?

HELL NO!

Like I said, drivers like this give an entire industry a bad name. He thinks he is Billy Badass and he just ain't gonna take no shit!

Yeah? Shut the hell up, asshole, do your damned job and stop trying to scare the motoring public with your arrogance.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #133)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:30 AM

141. Now I am wondering if that jerk isn't the guy who hit me!!!

All I can say is, you're the one with the good driving record, and this clown puts pics on YOUTUBE of his stupid self HITTING other cars? What is he, nuts? He's certainly stupid!

Someone should send that link to his employers!!!

Yeah, I like that 'way out' thing--I took the course eons ago, back in the early eighties, but I never forgot the lessons, and I'm still here to tell the tale! What I really like best is that they give ya the tools, so you go into "action" mode when something bad starts happening around you, and your mind is kept busy so there's no panicking!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:13 PM

26. Yup. 10 hours is a long time to have both hands on the wheel isn't it?

And hey, you should have given me some slack the other day re the shipping container homes, boss. I never hauled the intermodal stuff, just 53' dry vans!

Hope all is well with you My Friend.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:32 PM

29. LOL!!

Just bustin ya chops, ya local drivin', "I'm home every night neener neener" type!

All is good, my man. Just fine.

Take care, and stay warm up in them thar hills! Two things I miss from California. The mountains and In-N-Out!

OK....3 things....

Broguiere's Eggnog

http://drinks.seriouseats.com/2011/12/los-angeles-top-notch-nog-from-broguieres-farm-fresh-dairy.html

Frickin heaven in a glass bottle!

I called and BEGGED them to over-nite me a case.
They wouldn't.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:46 PM

31. I could send you some nog, Bro. n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:51 PM

32. IS IT STILL ON THE SHELVES?!?!?!?!?!

(Picture a terrier, running in circles, just after you said the words "Wanna go bye bye and get some bacon?" That's me right now!)


Seriously though.......



IS IT STILL ON THE SHELVES?!?!?!?!?!

YES! YES! YES!!! BUY ME SOME!!!


Really. PM me or...text me. I'll pay for it all. I'll frickin Western Union the money.

Quick! Go Now!!! Faster!


Hee hee.






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Seriously.



Go now.,

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:54 PM

33. It's listed on their website List of Products. I will get in touch with them tomorrow.

I wouldn't take your money... if they have it, it's on me. Just text me where to send it. I'll text you in the morning when I find out.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:00 AM

34. Dude.

I'll come out there and pet your cat.

Or clean your gutters.

No.
No I won't, cause then I could just go buy it myself.

What I will do is be indebted to you forever.

Thanks, man!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:38 AM

52. This subthread reminds me of the old days

When I'd drive cross country and eavesdrop on truckers' convos on my CB radio.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:42 AM

54. LOL. CB traffic these days is nothing like it used to be.

Drivers have too many other toys now.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:04 AM

70. Wot? You don't hang your gut over the wheel?

 

One hand for the cig, and the other for the mic?

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #70)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:59 AM

82. Guts not quite big enough,....

But apparently I've been working on it!

One hand for the cig and the other to reach for the coffee cup!

I rarely have the CB On anymore. It's just dumbass Republicans too stupid to know they vote against their own interest.

I've been driving over the road since 1987 and drove in the city of Miami for 3 years before that. I can say with complete confidence and absolutely no reservation that I work in an industry overwhelmingly populated by morons.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:57 AM

81. Respect... n/t

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:59 PM

17. I steer with my knees so I can text.

Just kidding. Nothing to see here.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:04 PM

19. 10 and 2 for slippery conditions, twisty roads, turns, on-ramps, and maneuvering

8 and 4 for open interstate, country roads, streets without a lot of traffic.

Besides, the same hand position all the time is monotonous.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:10 PM

22. One hand on phone, other hand on radio dial.

Every couple minutes, I switch from the radio to the coffee cup.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:56 AM

55. One hand holding phone, other hand holding coffee cup...

And knees at 8 and 4!

Works fine when driving from JOCO to KCMO on I-35 at 8am.


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Response to KansDem (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:05 AM

57. I'm going to look for you.

That's my route and my time.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:17 AM

59. I'll be the one talking into my coffee cup...

...and drinking out of my cell phone!

But always with my knees on 8 and 4...

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:10 PM

23. While the 8&4 positions

make sense from the perspective of comfort and sometimes airbag safety, they present a problem during emergency maneuvering since you need to move your hands in the opposite direction that you want the car to go. From that perspective, 9&3 or 10&2 make better sense.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:37 AM

62. I Was Actually Taught to Drive with One Dominant Hand at 12PM

and another subordinate hand, if desired, at 8 or 4. I think my instructor was a bit of a maverick, but it works and feels comfortable.

One thing that position does is leave plenty of clearance for emergency maneuvers. Personally, I would feel handcuffed by the 8-4.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:49 AM

63. It is the 12 position that can cause problems

when the airbag goes off.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:10 PM

24. I'm sticking with my Brodie knob.


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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:28 PM

28. I've got one hand in my pocket. And the other one is giving a high five...

 

but sometimes I've got one hand in my pocket And the other one is giving the peace sign...

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:35 AM

50. That's on my iPod.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:45 PM

30. icy/bad/twisty roads get 10 and 2

puttering along in a neighborhood usually gets one hand around 5, driving the automatic through town gets the right at 1 or 4, the manual gets the left at 11 or 7, highway gets 930 and 230.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:01 AM

35. Glad they pointed out the possible danger with hands too high

I just heard about the air bag causing serious injury to head if hands too high recently.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:04 AM

36. It's actually the sign of a poor driver, I keep a lookout for the death grippers

From 16-96 years old, give them room LOL

Also, people who have their wipers on the highest setting during a slight drizzle. Scared and unsure person behind the wheel, give plenty of braking distance

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:07 AM

39. Saw a woman today, beautiful clear blue skies, dry road, moderate I 95 traffic....

In the right hand lane in a newer Honda...


wait for it....



WITH HER FOUR WAYS ON!


Lady? Since when is driving in perfect conditions an emergency situation?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:08 AM

41. new driver, perhaps? nt

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:17 AM

43. Possible, but she was easily in her 50's. n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:19 AM

44. lol. my grandmother learned to drive in her 60s! nt

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:23 AM

45. Yes, but did her instructer tell her it was proper to have her 4-ways on ...

driving on a bright sunny day when nothing is wrong with her car?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:12 AM

42. do a "scared driver" search on youtube..hours of entertainment...

there's even a few channels dedicated to it



makes you think twice when you look next to you at a light...

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:26 AM

47. I become a bad driver when I have outspoken "backseat driver" passengers

The ones who are very vocal about when I should turn, etc. Of course, they've been in numerous accidents and I haven't been in any...

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:32 PM

111. You mean someone like Ethel Merman?




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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:07 AM

40. I only do 10 & 2 when I sense danger

Like a swerving tractor or something. It's an automatic reaction. Otherwise, I gently hold the bottom 5 and 7 or just 6. lol

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:26 AM

46. I like to drive with my thighs while eating a burger and fries. It's easier to dip in ketchup.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:36 AM

51. Eating and driving is more dangerous than drinking, they say. Especially reaching in the back seat..

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Response to freshwest (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:56 AM

56. Yup. A friend of mine crashed eating KFC out of a bucket.

He survived. But I think that chicken is going to kill him eventually, one way or another.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:36 AM

61. OMG. I hope no one was hurt seriously. The chicken had already passed, though...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:11 AM

65. LOL nt

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Response to freshwest (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:19 PM

96. No, he'd just started eating the chicken. nt

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #96)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:33 PM

97. I have to differ. KFC chicken is way, way dead.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #97)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:41 PM

98. Depends on your definition of "passed"



No need to reply. This conversation can only go downhill from here.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:01 AM

84. That first line could be perfect for a driving song.nt

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:33 AM

49. I hold it at six o'clock

SUBTLE!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:38 AM

53. So for digital clockers, just stay home?

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:52 PM

118. No, for you, it's points on a compass.

So, grip the wheel at East and West, or the more comfortable positions of WSW / ESE and SW / SE.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:09 AM

58. Try that at 150mph

Not too cool.

I cannot even imagine trying to drive from my lap.

Prius drivers, maybe.

On edit:

Who drives cars with airbags enabled?

Fools, that's who.

Those things will kill you.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:10 AM

64. seriously you believe an airbag is more dangerous enabled than not having one

 

Hope you are being sarcastic.

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:44 AM

67. Some of us really use seatbelts!

And may be somewhat averse to a bomb going of in our face. Also, airbags don't do so well in multiple impact crashes.

Didja know that far better seatbelts than the ubiquitous 3-point are readily available - but are not legal for road use? How do you think NASCAR drivers walk away from those brutal wrecks?




Incredibly hard hit - reported as "hardest in NASCAR history", 110G recorded impact

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:47 AM

69. well unless you use a harness why not use your seatbelt and airbag. its like the people who

 

Believe that because their uncle was ejected from a vehicle and survived that its best to be ejected during a crash than to wear a seatbelt.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:46 AM

93. IF you're using your vehicle's stock restraints

Leaving the airbags enabled is a much wiser decision. The restraint system is designed to work as a whole, with the belts and seats in concert with the airbags (in a situation where the bags go off). Removing one part of the equation definitely lessens the efficacy of the whole package.

If you're a renegade like I was and have a half-cage with borderline-legal seats and completely illegal harnesses (with three-point belts hanging for inspection purposes) then yes, you should have the bags disabled - my 240SX actually had a handy little panel on the side of the steering wheel, popped open as easily as the fusebox and there was the airbag connector. I think Nissan knew what people were planning on doing with those cars..

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Response to loli phabay (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:12 PM

127. Airbags can get you killed.

I have been clipped (front right bumper, by an intoxicated driver) when the bag blew and sent me into a spin into the median wall. It could have killed me, just that simple clip.

I have had the bags dis-enabled on all of my cars.

I would rather take my chances on my own.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:55 PM

119. I would only hope that you're not driving at 150mph

on public roads, and have the good sense to take it to the racetrack.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #119)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:08 PM

126. Actually...

I have several cars that will top that. I happen to live very close to a raceway ( http://www.racesonoma.com/ ) and I am not far from some wide-open roads in Nevada.

There are a few of us who truck our cars to Reno, head out on roads where one can see for miles and get it on.

You have to understand that there are those of us who can drive more safely at speed than most folks can drive at 65mph. Plus, we have better autos.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:14 PM

128. How safely You can drive isn't the issue.

It's the fact that the rest of us don't like sharing the road with people willing to go more than 10-15 over the posted limits.

No matter how skilled and safe you are, you'll never be able to safely predict what other (and unprofessional/unskilled) drivers are going to do in those situations.

Best is to keep it on a track built specifically for high speeds and maintained for that as well.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:17 AM

66. It's always 10 and 2 o'clock somewhere.

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Response to William769 (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:14 AM

71. And it's 5 o'clock 10 hours, yay the weekend yay yay

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:44 AM

68. i basically drive for twelve hours a day at work. on the highways i use the eight and four position

 

But when i drive at high speed or on dirt roads my hands go higher up the wheel as i feel it gives me faster turns. Also i try to never cross my arms due to the airbag and i have the steering wheel pointed as low as i can so the airbag is not hitting me square in the face rather my chest takes more of it. It still gives you a fair whack but allows you to keep driving if it does deploy.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:33 AM

72. Sebastian Vettle uses 9 and 3, and that is all I need to know

Simply the best driver in most of our lifetimes.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:13 AM

73. I've done 8 & 4 for years. It is far more stable

Try it. When your body shifts in the normal course of things, your shoulders will move from side to side. With the 10 & 2 grip, you have to constantly adjust for that shifting, or use your arms to oppose the shifting, which is fatiguing.

With 8 & 4, your shoulders can shift a lot without moving the steering wheel.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:17 AM

74. As long as people aren't

blathering or texting on their phones, it's all good.

Whatever position a person thinks is comfortable and provides good control ...

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:22 AM

75. Time to change

I drive with my hands at 10 and 2 and I know it isn't what is said as being the correct way anymore but out of habit I still do it. I must break that habit.
After all whats a habit for if its not to break it

Thanks for the reality check on this

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:00 AM

83. I think my hands are all over the wheel, depending on a lot of factors.

But when in a precarious situation, like driving in heavy rain, snow or traffic, I instinctively have them at 10 and 2. I don't think this video changes what my mind says to do.

There are times when I drive with one hand at 12. Sometimes just my thumb at around 7 or 8. Haven't wrecked yet.
Being a shorter person, with short arms, I have to drive pretty close to the wheel which is scary thinking about the air bag, but I figure I would be better off getting smacked with that then smashing into the wheel with a jolt.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:32 AM

88. i employ the "detroit lean": right elbow on the

console / ARM rest, left hand high noon.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:34 AM

90. When Jesus takes the wheel, he can hold it any damned way he pleases.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:39 AM

91. That's the way my Mom taught me how to drive

back in the "old" days. Still do. Occasionally I use 10-2 but usually 8-4.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:54 AM

94. Hold the widest-spaced spokes

That's what they're there for; they give you the best grip on the wheel since your thumbs have something to latch on to as well as providing the best positioning for control. You never see The Stig with the "roadtrip grip", or this guy..

#t=00m45s

edit WHY IS DU BREAKING MY LINK...skip to 45 seconds to get to the good bit. Or #t=00m45s" target="_blank">clicky clicky

edit2 AAAARGH I GIVE UP. Why does DU3 code support hashtags in Wiki links but not here?

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Response to sir pball (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:05 PM

121. That was pretty amazing!

I remember when Hammond got to drive one he was screaming the whole time!

Also they had some F1-type production car on the show (can't remember it now) I guess for those that could afford not only the car but the support team that came with the package. Clarkson was noting at one point how much further he had to brake in it than his mind allowed him to think was safe in order to be safe in the F1 car

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Response to kentauros (Reply #121)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

132. The Type 125

I remember seeing that episode and going WANT...but it turns out the truly well-heeled wannabe-racers are doing the Ferrari "F1 Clienti" program - they sell actual retired Ferrari Formula One cars to the .0001%; the car is garaged and maintained by Ferrari and available for the owner to drive in special track-day events held on the F1 circuits throughout the year.

A man can dream..

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Response to sir pball (Reply #132)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:28 PM

134. I don't know enough about racing of any kind to attempt it,

but would guess there's a fair amount of training in driving a F1 car. Hammond stalled his several times, yet I don't think he got much more than some instruction on what the controls did.

I'd be happy just being able to step into a good F1 training simulator, if they exist

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Response to kentauros (Reply #134)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:47 PM

135. They do.

The F1 Simulator I mean.

My buddy has one, though it isn't real sophisticated, he has a seat that gives feedback, pedals, steering wheel paddle shifters as well as a stick shift. 5 laps around Monza or Watkins Glen and you'll be hooked.

There are much more complex ones out there, mostly in arcade type settings as they are pricey. The type that are made to look like a 3/4 scale of the car and are mounted on air cylinders to give you the sensation of accel and decel, lateral G, etc. The visual is provided by surround type screens.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #135)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:17 PM

136. I was thinking not so much an arcade-type set-up

as an actual training simulator, as they would do for jet aircraft. The complex ones sound more like what I was thinking of.

I guess I'd have to know someone to be able to try that kind out

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #137)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:51 PM

145. You couldn't simulate the forces, though

You could build a "normal" car simulator much like an airplane sim, with an enclosed cabin on hydraulics that would tilt forward and back to trick your brain into feeling acceleration/decceleration and side-to-side to imitate lateral forces - but an F1 car launches at something like 1.5g...and brakes at 4 and can push five in the corners.

It's physically impossible.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #134)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:43 PM

144. I know enough to know

That while I'd love to do it I have neither the time nor the money right now to get good enough to feel "justified". We drove open-wheel cars the last day of the 3-day intro I took; they're the most challenging, confusing, counterintuitive vehicles I've ever driven...95% of the time if you're having trouble in a corner, you need to brake less so you apex FASTER. The aeros just stop working when you're too slow, like Clarkson said about the Caparo T1 (essentially an F1 car with lights and turnsignals) - "it would be an excellent excuse for a policeman since ' has to take that corner at a thousand mph because if takes it at thirty, crash.'"

I'm sure that for the many millions of dollars a used F1 car costs, Ferrari provides some excellent driving instruction - surely Schumacher needs some way to pass his time these days

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:03 PM

101. Putting my hands on the steering wheel takes my hands away from texting.

 

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:05 PM

102. You should hold the steering wheel whatever time of day you're driving.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:10 PM

103. One at 6 o'clock, the other on my beer.

kidding!!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:13 PM

104. I prefer to pop a few Viagra and just duct tape my penis to 6 o'clock.

 

This enables me to drive hands free and do more important things like text and hold my beer.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:46 PM

116. This is because airbag makers have gotten sued by people whose arms have been broken.

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In fact, if you try a rapid, evasive maneuver keeping your hands this way, you'll probably end up deploying and needing the damn bag.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:21 PM

124. Remember having the wheel torn from my grasp

Went over a rock on a dark dirt road. Weight of the truck spun the wheel from left lock to right. Fortunately my thumb was not wrapped into the wheel. Just grazed by the spokes as they whipped by. Good old Cam and Lever steering, under 140lbs the truck would steer you.

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #124)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:12 PM

130. Stock car drivers who lock on the spokes get their thumbs broken........


Anyone that has taken a good hit to a front tire will want one of these 15" aluminum solid steering wheels. By making the center solid, you no longer risk hurting your hands due to the steering wheel spokes.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Oval-Track-Racing-Parts.html

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #130)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:52 PM

140. It is good to see you my friend

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:36 PM

131. I tend to naturally use 9 and 3

Both 10/2 and 4/8 don't feel as comfortable.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:41 PM

139. I use the Mr. Miagi "wax-on wax-off" method myself

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:20 AM

142. You mean that holding it with my knees while

I text with one hand and eat a burger with my other hand isn't OK?

Damn!

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:02 PM

146. I drive

 

with hands at the 9-3 position on on road. Off road I'll use the 8-4 position--and no thumbs inside the steering wheel. That's a good way to break your hand when you hit a rut.

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