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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:03 PM

 

Republicans shouldn't worry that President Obama is trying to destroy the GOP. Why would he bother?

Lost in their own Wilderness

As they try to understand why the party lost an election it was confident of winning -- and why it keeps losing budget showdowns in Congress -- Republican grandees are asking the wrong questions. Predictably, they are coming up with the wrong answers.

They prefer to focus on flawed tactics and ineffectual "messaging" rather than confront the essential problem, which is that voters don't much care for the policies the GOP espouses.

In post-debacle speeches and interviews, Republicans are sounding -- and there's no kind way to put this -- paranoid and delusional. House Speaker John Boehner said in a speech to the Ripon Society that the Obama administration is trying to "annihilate the Republican Party." Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the party's fiscal guru and failed vice presidential candidate, claimed Sunday on "Meet the Press" that Obama seeks "political conquest" of the GOP.

It is no secret that Obama is trying to advance a progressive agenda. He promised as much in his campaign speeches. Were Republicans not listening? Did they think he was just joshing?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/01/29/lost_in_their_own_wilderness_116838.html

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Reply Republicans shouldn't worry that President Obama is trying to destroy the GOP. Why would he bother? (Original post)
Fight2Win Jan 2013 OP
PA Democrat Jan 2013 #1
People b4 profits Jan 2013 #2
Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #3
Flashmann Jan 2013 #5
woo me with science Jan 2013 #4
Fight2Win Jan 2013 #6
woo me with science Jan 2013 #7

Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:04 PM

1. As the President once told Mitt Romney, "Proceed."

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:11 PM

2. Correct. Why bother working against a group whose policies you are supportive of?

 

Only Nixon could go to China.

Only Obama and his Vichy-Dems could cater to Wall Street, betray working america to his corporate owners, and gut what remains of the left in his own party.

IF they were smart, they would keep their mouths shut and allow him to complete implementation of the "compassionate conservatism" that marked their party fifty years ago.
Or maybe they "protest too much" as a feint to get the Democrats to support unDemocratic policies.

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:40 PM

3. Simply Obama laying out his vision for the country is a problem for the GOP.

it's not like Republican's are advancing an argument/alternative vision for this country that doesn't involve locking more people up and cutting taxes on the rich while supporting every industry - as long as they pay to play - no matter how vile and anti-American they may be.

But I'm OK with them not understanding the problem...they are hoping that the American voter forgets about what this Party is doing in every state legislature they are currently in control of....if they really think they have a messaging problem and they think all Americans are as stupid as their core voter, they're well on the road to oblivion.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:48 PM

5. they are hoping that the American voter forgets about what this Party is doing

The thing is,almost half of them WILL......

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Response to Fight2Win (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:45 PM

4. What's the progressive vision?

What are the progressive policies he is fighting for?

For banks?

Austerity? Social Security? Chained CPI?

In education?

Drug war?

Pakistan? Israel? Mali?

Police State? Warrantless wiretapping? Surveillance?

NDAA and kill lists?

Drones?

Pipeline?

Free trade?

What are all these progressive proposals? How is the direction changing?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:17 PM

6. I think you have a lot of good talking points for Republicans

 


They could go after the drug war, bankers getting off the hook, the blatant violations of the Constitution with wiretapping and drones....

There are many things they could go after Obama for and succeed, which is why they have everyone worked up over Bengazi and arguing over abortion and gun control.

Republicans care so much about the debt...well, they should be irate about the Pentagon not being audited right? But no....they don't give a shit, all part of the dog and pony show....

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Response to Fight2Win (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:23 PM

7. Yep, for Republicans in Washington to use the talking points

would necessitate that they disagree with any of the things Obama is doing....and they don't.

We have to tear down the propaganda and the illusion we are constantly fed: that the two parties are so different and hate each other so much that they cannot stand to be in the same room together. People need to see that they are actually working together on the same predatory goals. The direction of policy no longer changes from administration to administration, no matter which party is in power.

The truth is that corporate Republicans lie to their constituents as much as corporate Democrats lie to us. Traditional Republicans are as frustrated at their party's empty claims to stand for "small government" or "individual liberty" as traditional Democrats are frustrated at our corporate Democrats' empty claims of standing for the poor and middle class, or military restraint, or public education, or environmental protection. The country is angry, and that is because neither party is working for our interests anymore. The parties are now extensions of Wall Street, using our government to strip of us our rights and turn us into sources of profit.

The truth is that the one percent have stolen our representation from ALL of us. They are impoverishing and stealing the civil rights of Republicans, too. We deserve a good fight with Republicans out in the country over ideas, but we are not even permitted that anymore. We are given the choice of two corporate candidates who will implement virtually the same economic, war, and police state agenda. Only the wedge issues differ...some social issues that the one percent could not care less about....and that's so we fight with each other, hate the enemy, and keep alive the illusion of choice.

We are ALL losing our country. We have lost our representation.

If there is any chance at all of our taking it back, we need to face what is really going on here. We need to shake ourselves out of the corporate illusions and knee-jerk loyalties and hatreds we have been fed to divide us...and get angry enough about it that we stand up *together* to get the corporate money and power out of Washington and take back our representation.

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