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I'm a transplanted Yankees living in the rural south after living in a large metro areas and I'm sick of people defending the rural south or saying I'm a bigot for telling the truth about the rural south. Yes, they brag about using Obama and Hillary using outlines for target shooting. The local rock band changes the lyrics to a Doors to song to talking about killing queers. They brag about how they're never going travel outside the United States. They say Obama isn't THEIR president. One can't be a businessman and tell anyone you're a Democrat. Many of my neighbors aren't like this but most are, most aren't much different than the Taliban, but I'm the bigot according to many here on DU (mostly the RBKA fake Democrat crowd).
I guess I'm a "citidiot".
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)But just remember, there's always safe havens, including right here on DU.
demwing
(16,916 posts)ON EDIT-is this a reference to the right to keep and bear arms? RBKA or RKBA, I get the typo, but not the connection to bigotry that you implied in your post
And you say there are many "fake dems" here at DU?
Please explain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=241790&sub=trans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=264598&sub=trans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=127101&sub=trans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=108116&sub=trans
MichaelHarris
(10,017 posts)needs to be a lot longer
Cha
(297,475 posts)26. 000 something posts.
THanks Electric
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)You know?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Cha
(297,475 posts)hell.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Nothing I've ever see or heard, after decades in the rural South. And, I'm actually from here.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I lived in the south for 25 years, and routinely ran into it. It thinned out in the college educated bunch (I'm an engineer), but it was there. I really noticed it in Appalachia.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)And, I lived in extreme rural areas of NC, and have NEVER seen or heard the nutty stuff said in this thread. Racism? Of course, the same kind of racism I've heard in rural parts of the North, and from NORTHERN PROFESSIONALS at conferences. Trying to make this region-based is BS, and a case of ignoring what's in one's own backyard.
On Edit: this is my last post in this thread, because I think it is ridiculous and flypaper.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I have run into racism in the north. Rural Maine is Bad about it. I thought you were saying you hadn't heard racism, and I know from personal experience that it exists. I'm sorry, I understood your point incorrectly. I'm not beating down the south - I myself was a southerner once. I may try to assimilate to being a Yankee after all these years, but I'll always talk slower and use Y'all. Somethings die hard.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I've returned to an extremely rural part of NW Arkansas (where I spent my formative years) where Democrats are as rare as Ivory-billed woodpeckers. Okay, I'm exaggerating a wee bit. However, I have to be actively anti-racist and anti-homophobic almost every day.
When Obama was campaigning, a local business put a big sign in their window: "Honk if you think Obama is evil."
And, you daren't self-identify as an atheist, or you might get hog-tied and dragged to church.
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hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Who said anything about shutting your mouth?
What is the "truth about the rural south"?
When you say things like "most aren't much diffeent than the Taliban" well, yes, that does sound like the statement of a bigot.
Also, when I had my business for seven years in Wisconsin, I didn't go around telling people about my politics. I never figured that that would be good for business. The county was perhaps 60-40 in favor of Republicans, but even if I was a Republican, why would I want to perhaps antagonize 40% of my potential customers?
MightyMopar
(735 posts)The truth is that yes, other areas of the nation aren't perfect but the south is worse. The anti-intellectualism is overwhelming.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)You need to speak up and find some better friends. I could not be around people like that.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Your better off keeping your mouth shut. I'm a yankee living in the south and I find it's better. But I have very few friends besides my husband,son and daughter-in-law and the grandkids. Really that's all I need anyway. That's enough to keep up with. Besides that if I want to speak out I usually come here. Got plenty of DUers here that have a opinion about something.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)I was pretty out and in the face of the conservatives down there, but they just believed I was an idiot. A Yankee in the south gets written off immediately.
One wonderful aspect of moving to Conn. was to no longer feel under siege all the time.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)mother-in-law moved here from PA. She had something in common with a majority of people here and that is she grew up on a farm. Her mother-in-law didn't like her because she worked and had an opinion. Her mother-in-law didn't have much of an education. In the end her mother-in-law excepted her because when she was ill my mother-in-law was always there to take care of her. People around here respected her because she was a nurse. But she was a tomboy. She loved to fish, hunt, raise cows, had beehives and garden her veggies. She was her own person. She could fix things herself. My father-in-law retired from the military and helped her raise cows and he went hunting, and fishing. So they always had food. She never depended on her husband because when she needed something done she wanted it done. You know how some husbands can be. She ended up having lots of friends. I don't have much in common with the people around here. I mean I am neighborly. You always hear that southerners are really nice. Well maybe it's just here but I sometimes make cakes or even meals for my neighbors and I never hear back with a thank you it was good. I feel if I take the time you can at least call me and tell thanks or even write a thank you card. I make my granddaughter who is 7 yrs old to write thank you cards for gifts she receive. I want her to know the proper thing to do.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)It's not right when people don't bother to thank you for doing something nice like cooking them a meal. I lived for a year in a small town in western Washington state.
I was surprised how rude people were. You always here how small town people are friendly. There it was anything but the case. I'm from Minneapolis, and people aren't friendly here but they are polite. They were not in Walla Walla.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I hate my chrysler minivan.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Mine is falling apart. Power doors stopped working, Headliner falling down, engine mounts all need replacing, have had AC blower replaced twice, one of the power locks doesn't work any more. While it was still under warranty we had the front struts replaced and I can't remember what else but I know I'll never buy another Chrysler. Mine's a 2003 with 60k miles on it. SHould have lasted better than this.
I one thing back - if I found a 71 Hemi Cuda that I could afford I'd probably buy that.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Good luck finding that Cuda... Mecums sold one for over $350K this week.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Musta missed the Cuda though. When I was in high school my friend had one but he didn't pay anywhere near that. Darn lack of time machines to go back and buy things at yesteryear's prices!!!!
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)PDJane
(10,103 posts)I have been south of the Mason-Dixon line too often. I spent a couple of months in Orlando one week.....and despise Georgia. Georgia was the place that I had a faith healing in a Cracker Barrel washroom. A heimlich would have been more helpful at the time...........and then the woman apparently expected me to pay for something I didn't want in the first place!
That narrow-minded conformity is why I left the country in the beginning.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Yes.
He was talking about his guns and made that type of 'joke'.
Iggo
(47,563 posts)Oh, those crazy kidders!
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Martin Lucifer King. Times change. You could just barely make out the cross burned in my neighbor's grass.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Overview
Dubbed savagely funny (The New York Times) and wickedly entertaining (San Francisco Chronicle), acclaimed travel writer Chuck Thompson embarks on a controversial road trip to prove that both sides might be better off if the South were to secede once and for all.Hes a travel writer like Anthony Bourdain is a food writer, writes The Oregonian about Chuck Thompson. In Better Off Without Em, the biggest book of his career, Thompson offers a heavily researched, serious inquiry into national divides that is unabashedly controversial, often uproarious, and always thought-provoking.
By crunching numbers, interviewing experts, and traveling the not-so-former Confederacy, Thompsonan openly disgruntled liberal Northwesternermakes a compelling case for Southern secession. Along the way, he interacts with possum-hunting conservatives, trailer park lifers, prayer warriors, and other regional trendsetters, showing that the Souths perverse church-driven morality, politics, and personality never have and never will define the region as a fully committed part of the United States. Better Off Without Em is a deliberately provocative book whose insight, humor, fierce and fearless politics, and sheer nerve will spark a national debate that is perhaps long overdue.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/better-off-without-em-chuck-thompson/1111396353
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)May add to my reading list.
JustAnotherGen
(31,849 posts)One - he uses a LOT of humor!
Two - he highlights the things that we DO have in common - but shows how different the approach is.
And don't think he lets the North East off the hook.
He starts out explaining how the new country of Cascadia would be - and pretty much throws every other region/new country under the bus in the process! If you like Bill Maher's sense of humor -you'll enjoy the book.
Now - with the author being from the North West - I'd love for (and have emailed/encouraged him) to write one - Better Off Without You'se - why New Britain should be Turned Loose As It's Own Country. I can't WAIT to read what he has to write about those of us who like me have spent the majority of their lives in New York/NJ/CT. :lmao:
And most important - at the end - he sits down with the Southern Educational Elite and asks THEM how THEY would feel about secession - and they resoundingly answer "Nope. Not good." And they point out with the high economic growth in some areas of the region - it would actually be bad for the North.
Read this and read The Great Reset: How the Post-Crash Economy Will Change the Way We Live and Work by Richard Florida. Florida's is a warning signal about how we have to come out fighting post 2008 economic disaster . . . add this book in - and you'll appreciate the strengths of the South -and be alarmed about the one weakness - education. Note - Florida shows that not only does the North East have potential to boom again - but so does the South East. Pretty much all of I-95 is important to our economic growth - that means both North and South of the Mason Dixon line that road crosses.
Truly - do NOT judge this book by it's cover.
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Warpy
(111,317 posts)is what I said to my parents when they tried to trot out that particular white suburban cracker witticism. My parents!
Surely you can say that much to the troglodytes you work with.
Otherwise, they think you agree with them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)the gungeoneers right here on DU like to call me a bigot because I'm against them walking around in public with a gun or two tucked away. Cracks me up. You want to see bigotry, spend time in the south -- a lot of folks in the south consider bigotry (outright racism, really) a family value.
Just suck it up, confront them when you can, and laugh you ass off at their stupidity when away from the losers.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)People need to quit watching so many reality shows and B movies.
The regional broadbrushing allowed on here is ridiculous.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)doesn't mean they don't happen.
Christ on a crutch - when will people start realizing that their own life experiences aren't necessarily true for everyone else?
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)cordelia
(2,174 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)tavernier
(12,395 posts)compose your post in that way. Was it for attention value (because of the ugliness of the opening sentence)? Did you itemize the comments of your neighbors because you somehow thought that we don't know what racists sound like?
I agree with the above poster. I don't get why you had to post this.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)and attacked by the defenders of all things southern on DU.
Seems like many do not like the truth and would rather live in denial about the blatant racism that occurs daily in the south.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Seems like many do not like the truth and would rather live in denial about the blatant racism that occurs daily all across the United States. (I fixed it for you).
Mdterp01
(144 posts)I just couldn't deal. I would end up hanging from a tree somewhere. I'm one of those northeast Blatinos who will not stand to be disrespected by some racist. The few times I have been to the South I see some Black people who still have this "I know my place and won't stir the pot" mentality. Well child...I remember driving to see a relative of mine who lives in Warner Robbins Ga and had it out with a few white men who tried some racist crap with me. No. Other than the fact that I love cold weather and therefore will probably always live somewhere in the northeast, I wouldn't want to live amongst such racism. I don't want to brand the whole South because there is racism in the North, it's just more subtle. Southern racists are more in your face about it. My cousin lived in Ga after the OJ trial and said she would get evil looks from white people while stopped at a light in her car. See I would've been the type to say "what the f*ck are you looking at?"
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Some of THE most liberal areas in the whole US are in the South, the state with the strongest populist tradition is Southern, some of the most LGBT-friendly areas, etc,
Some of the most bigoted areas in the entire US are NOT in the South.
Y'all do realize that ANY rural area in ANY state is going to be full of Red voters, right?
Just laughable that this regional bigotry is allowed here, especially since it is often so baseless.
Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)interesting
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)da south is the perfect place for you.
Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)I saw the way people of color are still treated and I can tell you that they don't take to kindly to whites even defending people of color.
Unless I have to go for work I avoid the place it disgusts me that much.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)Living in a fact free zone is not healthy
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)cordelia
(2,174 posts)It exists in the South just like it exists in every region, every state, every city and town.
It's there, it's ugly, and I hate it.
I am just more "enlightened" than those who are so intolerant and small-minded as to hate an entire region because of the actions of some.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)You do realize this is 2013, correct?
And please, don't come back.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)And, I won't bite anymore.
I'll just say this one less thing: Putting "Martin Luther Coon" in a subject header is just... interesting to me.
Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)Must be that pesky truth you seems to hate so much
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)you seem to hate so much.
Lesmoderesstupides
(156 posts)It still does not change the fact that many in America call it by that name.
Shine a big spotlight on it and expose those that do it, it is the only way to end it.
obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)That and the South bashing is just very... interesting. At least we weren't asked this time what race we were.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)to the Secret Service and FBI. I don't hesitate to do so.
https://tips.fbi.gov/
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)It's almost like one region doesn't have a monopoly on assholes like you're implying. How odd. Could it be this is just another of your race-grenade threads, like when you demanded to know DU's racial breakdown because you felt it was too white?
cordelia
(2,174 posts)West, when I've been in the Pacific Northwest on business/vacation, in NYC and Mass. In Missouri and Minnesota. The shit I heard in California?
It's everywhere.
This is just another South bashing extravaganza.
Intolerance = small minds.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)it isn't exclusive to the south.
once you get out of the urban areas, this country is a vast land of idiocy, hatred, and fear.
klook
(12,162 posts)"Fuck The South"?
That fits in well with some people's agenda.
Or do you have suggestions for persuading backward rural Southerners to think differently about race and politics?
farminator3000
(2,117 posts)i have a couple of suggestions-
the trick is being BOTH more open AND closed-minded-
closed to prejudice, basically, and open to the idea that how someone looks doesn't define who they are.
it isn't just the south- i'm from the 'north' and there are bigoted people here,too. i've grown dreadlocks before (i'm white), and i've heard and seen the same things described in the OP. some of the worst bigots i know personally are transplanted canadians.
here is a pic of obama with his mother for starters: (you might notice she is not black)
http://www.salon.com/2011/04/21/barack_obama_ann_dunham_biography/
i think the important thing is to remember that black people and LGBT people are just that, PEOPLE, and if you can see them for who they are and what they go through on a daily basis, you can appreciate them more as human beings.
instead of automatically thinking thief or freak.
i don't mean this to sound judgmental - democrats are not immune to the below- (bay of pigs, vietnam...)
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)obamanut2012
(26,094 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)I've heard the same statement used here in reference to mlk day. I think some of the most open racism exists here in this city. We like to pretend we are forward thinking in this part of the country but we are fooling ourselves. I will admit I haven't spent much time in the south but it really sounds like some pull their thoughts from stereotypes.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)there was a pocket working class neighborhood of whiteness north of mine (featured in Spike Lee's Summer of Sam) where many residents were very open about guarding (with baseball bats) to keep it that way. Scary. The other was a small company I worked for a short time run by Southern DAR types. It was quite disconcerting to hear "professionals" frequently making racist comments. I immediately started looking for other work, and went off on three people the first week. I'm really glad I was in a financial position to take that gamble and not have to keep my mouth shut. I was shocked and horrified. But that was because I hand't heard people talk like that openly in thirty years. Very different experience from rural america, that thirty year gap.
NYC is very integrated, and it's just not generally acceptable here. You'd have to find yourself a racist clique to be open about it. Every single other place I worked, that shit would get you fired immediately.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)The racism I see goes beyond what is said to what is done. The economic revitalization plans under giulliani and bloomer that targets poor and minority communities and forces them out into worse and worse situations
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)If you had only picked SharpChevy or FearsomFord why you might have found more luv.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)The first step in fighting it is to acknowledge it and quit saying other parts of the country are just as bad because in general they're not.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)King Penguin vs Chrysler Gear Reduction starter. Sound alike?
Seriously a Mopar Fan who can't take some good natured ribbing about that dang starter.
Have a Six Pack and relax