Will George W Bush be the last white male president?

[MightyMopar]

Hillary 8 years then a Hispanic for 8 years then an ethnic gay for 8 years..........

Just saying! No wonder the RWNJ's are brandishing their guns.

[pkdu]

1. I hope you are right......BUT...

What a sad legacy for us old white males.

[aptal]

4. Why do you hope he is right?

I don't really understand that statement.

[pkdu]

96. I hope for 8 years of Hillary followed by....

What's wrong with that FFS?

[aptal]

120. Followed by what?

You never want another white male to be president? I find that statement ridiculous.

[pkdu]

121. I find your post count ridiculous...and fav forum suspicious... Nt

[JI7]

15. so you wouldn't want someone like Sherrod Brown as President ?

[pkdu]

97. See post 96 FFS.

[Nye Bevan]

26. So you'd prefer Herman Cain to Joe Biden? (nt)

[Jamaal510]

78. Herman Cain was a disgrace.

I'm embarrassed by him--to listen to him say such asinine things about fellow Americans during the campaign trail and to let Republicans use him as some token. Michael Steele might be a Republican, but at least he's no drooling imbecile like Cain is.

[Matariki]

106. Herman Cain was/is a performance artist

[pkdu]

98. Again, see post 96 FFS.

[MightyMopar]

107. NO I don't like Herman Cain, but that is probably going to be a Republican strategy going forward

Rubio, Cruz, etc, Republican Hispanics will be highly promoted.

[cali]

53. what's sad is your comment.

[pkdu]

99. See post 96 FFS.

[bayareamike]

80. Sorry, but this is a dumb statement.

We should elect progressives regardless of race.

[pkdu]

100. Again , see post 96.. Too many read the headline but nt the detail.

[mythology]

104. You didn't give any detail

Your entire post, title and message, never said that it would be fine to elect a solid Democratic white male.

If everybody else interpreted your post in a way you didn't mean, you might want to consider that perhaps you didn't effectively convey your intended meeting.

[pkdu]

117. Not my detail , that of the OP. please reread and/or feel free to ignore. Nt

[bayareamike]

108. The question was

"will George W Bush be the last white male president?" and you responded, "I hope you are right".

That is pretty clear. Like the poster above me said, everyone seems to be "misinterpreting" your comment. Perhaps you should consider that you did not convey your intended meaning effectively.

[pkdu]

116. I will stick with you didn't read the detail , feel free to ignore. Nt

[FarPoint]

2. To date....why yes

He is the last white male President.

[ShadowLiberal]

3. No, but maybe the last white male protestent in a while

[sad-cafe]

5. Biden first

then go for it

[MrSlayer]

6. I doubt it.

But the Republicans have to stop running crazy people if they ever want to win again.

If they can get Christie through the nomination process he can win as soon as 2016.

[MightyMopar]

12. I don't think Christie can win

[madville]

14. Christie won't get through the primaries

He is to anti-gun for the repubs

[MrSlayer]

17. If they're smart about it, he can.

They did get Mittens through by dividing the crazy vote, they can do the same with Christie.

The difference is Christie is a hard core conservative on the fiscal side without the religious lunacy and open bigotry of the baggers. Whereas no one trusted Romney at all on the right, Christie is a true disciple of the Reagan economic model. He'll also get a lot of the independent voters that were afraid of the crazy social agenda.

He's a very dangerous opponent for anyone to face and I think he'd beat anyone except Hillary. Against her it'll be 50/50.

[madville]

20. He'd have to go independent to have a shot at president

The right hates him

[graham4anything]

36. He wouldn't win the blue states except possibly PA...and the irony there would be

that if PA changed their electoral college way, the repubs would lose votes, not gain them

Hillary though would win many places in the south

but it shall be Jeb. Christie may be VP and they may win PA, but Hillary will win close to 400 to 450 votes in the electoral college
including Arkansas, KT, Tenn GA, SC and Texas.

Texas is going to go blue in the next Presidential with the help both of the demographic change and IMHO the women's vote. And you won't see it in the polls til election day.

Ann Richards was Gov. and there are now more democratic voters in the state than republicans. And they will easily vote for Hillary45.

Christie has an easier chance at being VP itself(not just nominee), if he switched parties, but he won't.

If I were Bill and Hillary, I would go to Seaside Heights when the new boardwalk is officially open and be part of that iconic picture that will be taken that day.
The one with President Obama, Bruce Springsteen, Christie at the rebuilt boardwalk.
Put as many democratic people on the boardwalk as possible, and each one will insure that the republicans would never nominate Christie.

Hillary45 would easily beat all candidates, but she is the only one who would beat Jeb Bush like the Clinton's did to 41.

[Bake]

82. "They?"

Are the Republicans the only party that includes white males?

I must be in the wrong place.

Bake

[MrSlayer]

92. They, meaning the Republican party.

What the hell are you talking about?

[Bake]

93. The tone of the thread is that the Repubs will be the only party to nominate a white male.

Hence, "they."

And hence my question.

Bake

[uponit7771]

27. Christie will lie just like Mittens did, cons have a low bar for character

[OriginalGeek]

85. Yeah, I was gonna say

it doesn't matter what he says about guns now. Them repubs gots the memory of a goldfish. And those that took notes will happily lie about it.

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. Maybe we'll even get to the point...

...where no one gives a shit about the president's skin color, gender, orientation, religion (or lack thereof), and so forth...and just supports the candidate they think would make the best president, regardless.

Ah, who am I kidding...?

[Jennicut]

19. Ya think?

Progress will mean that someday no one will care because it is not a big deal anymore. Whatever race or gender.....the right person will be elected. The person's ideas and beliefs come first to me or otherwise I would have supported Palin for VP. I am a woman but not all women speak for me. I just want to see Bush as the last Repub president.

[LisaLynne]

56. Exactly.

As you say, we are working towards the field being open so the best person can be elected, regardless of race, gender, etc.

[WinkyDink]

8. Silly.

[JI7]

9. not even, we will most likely have a white guy after Hillary

and if she doesn't run we will most likely have one after Obama.

[union_maid]

10. Probably not the last

But I hope there'll be diversity from now on.

[Gman]

11. The question is better stated as

How long until another white male is elected president? It will happen again. It's not as sure a thing anymore.

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

13. Doubt it...

I'm a big fan of Hillary Clinton, but if she doesn't run, considering the fact that whites are still the majority and the fact that there are more men in politics than women indicates that there will be more white male Presidents, either Democrat or Republican.

[tavernier]

16. Since I never considered that poser as president,

I would say Clinton was the last white male president. Appropriate then that Mrs. C will be the first female pres.

Oh shit, I can hear the trolls locking and loading all over the place.

[ananda]

18. Hmm

But not the last white conservative male wannabe.

[longship]

21. I will not comment except to say your title made me smile broadly.

And I am both white and male.

Thanks!

A hearty R&

[Kalidurga]

22. I seriously doubt it.

But I think he will be the last Republican for a generation, at least.

[Jack Rabbit]

23. I only hope that the Frat Boy is the last complete idiot president

The disease of complete idiocy knows no race or gender. Let's not have one that bed again, please.

Hi, lurking RWNJs.

[Marrah_G]

24. No

[liberal_at_heart]

25. we should be choosing based on character not skin color just like MLK Jr. spoke of

I'm sure there will be plenty of capable white male presidents. There will be plenty of capable presidents of many diverse backgrounds.

[dkf]

28. I hope we could care less if he is or isn't.

The dream is that we pick based on content of character after all.

[MissMillie]

111. this is the correct answer

good job

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Ha Ha Ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Lint Head]

30. He is the second outright criminal and the first murderer.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Of course, you fail to note that women are not

allowed in many governments and yet we send them women as our representatives, year in and year out. There are many groups that are hated and considered inferior by other nations, the idea that we should bow to such atavism has never been the way of the United States.

[Starboard Tack]

95. I'm curious, but which "many governments" are disallowing women.

I can only think of Saudi Arabia and the Vatican, maybe a couple more in the Gulf region.

[demwing]

32. Biden in 2016

so no, I don't think so

[MADem]

33. Hispanics can be white, black, brown, Asian, Semites....it's a common error to confuse the

Hispanic ethnicity with race. Your cultural roots are not welded to your racial roots if you are Hispanic.

Examples:

Julio Iglesias
Raquel Welch
Alberto Fujimori
Ricky Martin
Alex Rodriguez
Cameron Diaz
Franklin Chang-Diaz

[Ken Burch]

39. Alexis Bledel, too.

(never mind, just saw that she's in the bottom row of that series of photos.)

[liberal_at_heart]

46. when my father was young he looked like Cheech

Now he has white hair and white skin. Our family has Spanish ancestry and old Spanish people's skin turns white. My grandmother was the same way. Brown skin when she was young, white skin when she was old.

[graham4anything]

34. Hillary45, Michelle46, law changed to allow President Obama47 for 32 years of the Obama agenda.

history
history
history
history

and I do wish they would alter the law and allow a President to come back for another two terms after not being president for two terms.

It would be fascinating if a leader could come back, see all the good he has done, and continue with it later.

Much like Jerry Brown has done in California, being both the youngest, then oldest governor of California.

[theKed]

48. Bahahaha

No, but seriously. We still have to figure out who's gonna run in 2016 when Hillary stays retired. We can worry about the next 30 after that.

[graham4anything]

50. If not Hillary45, I would in a second vote for Eric Holder, Deval Patrick, Corey Booker

BTW, I voted in the primaries twice for Jesse Jackson and once for Al Sharpton.

Jesse Jackson should have at the very least been VP.

Damn shame it took to 2008 to make history.

Eric Holder, Deval Patrick, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten G. are solid backups for Hillary45.

But it really is time for a woman president.

and Michelle Obama for Senate in 2018 and President in 2024.

BTW, I am 100% serious.

and please, do NOT ever put the word WE in a statement, as I am not you nor would I wish to without you specifically asking, call ME WE.
thank you very much. I have no idea who you think WE is, but WE is NOT me with regard to your statement above.
and you used it twice. so double that ME is Not We in your statement.

[theKed]

65. WE

As in the Democratic Party and it's supporters WE. By being on this website you submit yourself, by the TOS, to that collective body. WE need to determine who will run in 2016 as a body of people WE.

[graham4anything]

66. Not when you are talking specifically to a person. then we is you not multiple.

But 90% of the democratic party like Hillary45 and President Obama44

But you are saying, if I catch your drift, that any dissention of President Obama would be against what you just said, correct? Because that is what you would be saying if you are consistent in this thought flow.

[theKed]

68. Shouldn't you be

off ranting about Ralph Nader somewhere?

[Bake]

83. Eric Holder? Are you kidding me????

Mr. "I'm not prosecuting Wall Street" Holder is a total JOKE.

If he had a shred of decency he'd resign as AG yesterday.

Bake

[slackmaster]

110. Don't forget the 61st Amendment.

[demosincebirth]

35. Most Hispanics are white. nt

[Ken Burch]

37. SO who's the ethnic-gay-in-waiting?

n/t.

[dlwickham]

41. that's what I want to know

I can't think of any right now

[Ken Burch]

122. Maybe RuPaul is putting out feelers.

n/t.

[BlueStreak]

38. No. That is ridiculous. But it is possible that 2004 will prove to be

the last time in a very long time that the winning ticket is two white men.

Given the Dem bench, there are African Americans (Patrick and Booker), women (Hillary and some others who aren't ready in 2016), and Hispanics. So the natural course of things would be some combination on the ticket. It is hard to look forward with the Dem party and see a ticket of two white men -- ever again.

And while the base of the GOP is scared old white men, they are scared shitless about the fact that they cannot win without better support from women and Hispanics. So whether they want to or not, they will have to include some tokens on their ticket for 2016 at least, and I wouldn't venture any guesses about that crazy outfit after that. If they lose again in 2016, they will be in full meltdown mode.

[BlueStater]

43. I don't think it's so much that they need more non-white candidates than it is that...

...they need candidates who actually APPEAL and RELATE to minorities. I don't think minorities would vote for clowns like Rubio or Jindal simply because they're not white. It's the substance of what a candidate says that really matters.

[BlueStreak]

61. Agreed, but that's a tall order

The GOP is all about the 1%, and there aren't many minorities in that club.

So they will go the Clarence Thomas route, choosing really twisted candidates who physically resemble the demographics they need.

[DonViejo]

103. Allen West likes to remind folks...

Abraham Lincoln only served one term in Congress before he was elected President. It would be just like the GOP to nominate a guy forced out of the military.

[BlueStreak]

105. I may be a fool, but I have this feeling they have learned their lesson

After all, although they had a bunch of clowns on the stage, they did nominate the least clownish, Romney. He was a prick, an asshole, the poster boy for the 1%, but he wasn't a clown on the order of Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich or Perry.

So I don't buy the conventional wisdom that the fundie right will force the nomination of a crazy. Romney was a freaking Mormon, after all.

I think they will be very motivated to get behind somebody who can actually win. To me, that means either Jeb or Christie. And it is definitely not Huckabee.

[Jim Lane]

72. Agreed, but I wouldn't even rule out the two-white-men ticket, as you do.

In 2016, if Clinton declines to run, I could easily envision a ticket of Joe Biden and Sherrod Brown. If Biden also declines, liberals might be hoping for Sheldon Whitehouse and Martin O'Malley. My fear is that Andrew Cuomo will defeat the progressive wing of the party and win the nomination, but even if that happens, he might pick someone like Brown as a running mate.

Certainly, we have blacks, Hispanics, and women on our bench. I'm just saying that a ticket of two white men is still quite possible.

For the reason you state, it may be that the Republicans are more likely to have diversity on the ticket, with Marco Rubio being a strong contender. (He wouldn't run with Jeb Bush but I don't agree with the many DUers who think Bush has it locked up.)

[BlueStreak]

75. Who thinks Jeb has it locked up?

I haven't seen that. That is absurd. He hasn't even given a strong indication he wants to run.

If he runs, he and Christie are clearly the early favorites, but lots of things can change. Obviously Ryan thinks he should be in the discussion as well as Rubio. But the way the GOP primary deck is stacked, Huckabee may have the best chances of winning the primaries because he has such an advantage with the fundie crazies.

[Jim Lane]

77. Right in this thread, see #36

There graham4anything proclaims: "but it shall be Jeb."

He's not alone. I've seen it from other people in other threads.

I agree with you that it's absurd to consider it locked up this early.

[graham4anything]

84. I do. I have predicted this for years.

the only people who wouldn't in their party want him are the extremeists.

and like it or not, the Bush's are seated.
Except when a Clinton is running against them.

there is NO other democratic candidate but Hillary who has been 100% vetted, and who can just chuckle and laugh, there they go again with their rightwing conspiracies.

Most democratic candidates could beat most of the republican challengers, but not all.

Hillary can beat all of them, quite easily, and would win some red states (I predict 5 or 6)
and just about all the blue states (except perhaps PA if Christie is on the ticket as VP.
NJ won't turn red. But PA might.

If the wrong candidate is picked it would be another McGovern/Dukakis/Mondale

And indeed it is time for a woman President.

Hillary would also carry with her, coattails

and of course, Hillary would have Bill and he is great person to person nationwide.
and of course, Hillary would have the backing completely of President Obama and Michelle Obama.
And in 2016, President Obama would be strong enough to win a 3rd term, but he can't run.
(too bad if you asked me. Wish he could have 4 terms like FDR, but he can't).

and I do hope VP Biden runs too, to take out the others. Flank her, then back her.
One two punch.

And yes, I would keep Joe Biden for a 3rd term as VP, or give him the SOS in 2017.

Continuation of President Obama's agenda, at all costs, IMHO

to continue the job of completing it.

[BlueStreak]

86. I'm not so sanguine about Hillary

She has a better chance now than any earlier time. But to suggest she wins easily is nonsense. I don't know that we have anybody presently who would have a better chance, but I don't see any easy win for her.

It is vitally important because in all likelihood, there will be no SCOTUS vacancies among the conservative 5 during Obama's term, but 2-3 of the 5 could very well drop in the 2017-2020 term.

[graham4anything]

87. Regarding SCOTUS- and Lame Duck

I have been predicting one of the bad 4 will retire in the next 3 years, especially if it appears Hillary is inevitable.

I think the rush to take cases this year of major importance shows that.

And I think Kennedy also can retire. But even one is enough

And I think two democratic changes will happen, Ginsburg as soon as she becomes the longest running justice (think its in 2 1/2 years), and Breyer.(though if Hillary were inevitable that could change their minds.

I do hope if they are retiring, they do so early enough so President Obama can get his nominations through.

Intersting article I read today suggest President Obama is not planning on being a lame duck the last two years, and is actively going to attempt to get a better congress in 2014, going for four full years.
Which is why a continuation of his policies will make his not being a lame duck easier.

[BlueStreak]

90. I agree with all of that except the part about

the SCOTUS extremists retiring early because they think a Hillary win is inevitable. Even if Hillary wins, it will not be decided early. It will be more like Romney than McCain. And when you factor in 4 more years of the GOP adding to its election tampering machinery, even a "runaway" victory could still go right down to the wire.

I like Hillary, but just remember she is still hated by many. She would be easy to demonize -- and that is what they do best.

If she is the nominee, I will support her 100%. But we shouldn't get cocky about it.

[Jim Lane]

91. I don't understand your comment about Ginsburg.

It's tangential to the last-white-male question, but you suggest that Ginsburg will retire "as soon as she becomes the longest running justice (think its in 2 1/2 years)...."

William O. Douglas served for 36 years and 209 days (1939-75). Ginsburg was sworn in on August 10, 1993, so she would pass Douglas sometime early in 2030, a little before her 97th birthday.

Ginsburg has actually said that she "still wants to match Justice Louis Brandeis, who stepped down at age 82." ("Ginsburg says no plans to leave Supreme Court") She turns 82 in March of 2015. I predict that, at about that time, she'll announce her retirement, effective at the end of that term of the Court in or about June. That would ensure that Obama could fill the seat. If the vacancy doesn't occur until 2016, there's much more danger that the Republicans in the Senate will block any nomination, hoping that the seat can instead be filled by a Republican.

[graham4anything]

94. I knew she had said one of the famous justices. Brandeis fits that. She would retire June

[dlwickham]

40. no

next question

[BlueStater]

42. No, he won't be.

White men still make up the majority of politicians in this country. If a white male candidate is saying perfectly sensible things, minorities will vote for him regardless of his skin color or gender.

[Bucky]

44. I think you're imagining he'll be the last Republican president. No, there'll be more GOP presidents

The history has been, with only one deviation, 8 years Republican then 8 years Democratic, since 1945. If I were a betting man, I'd only put my money on a Democrat winning next time if you gave me a point spread.

[kimtjj195_tx]

45. Uh, definitely not

After all, the Republicans managed to steal an election only about 10 years ago. However, it is unlikely that we'll see another white male Republican elected as president for a while. Their party's reputation has been badly damaged recently, and it'll take a while for them to recover.

[Raine]

47. No, the majority will still be white males for along time to come. nt

[DemocratsForProgress]

49. Brace yourself. Are you sitting down?

The answer to your question is no.

[Turbineguy]

51. I'd prefer George W Bush to be the last

incompetent president. Beyond that I really don't care what the future presidents look like or what they do in their spare time.

[cali]

52. probably not, and I'd greatly prefer that we don't make skin color a

factor in choosing a president.

[lunatica]

54. I never thought of it that way

I was thinking that it's time to have someone who is not a white man in the White House, but I'm sure the day will come when there are no firsts anymore because every group has had a person be President. Maybe it'll take less time than we think. It'll be nice to have a time when your qualifications are the only measure needed and it'll be 'normal'.

[davidpdx]

58. I don't think it will be

I do think it will be less likely to happen, but not impossible.

[Zorra]

59. Don't you mean Resident? nt

[Mdterp01]

60. As a Black/Latino male..

The job should be given to (for me) the Democrat whose vision best suits the country and Democratic principles. If that happens to be a white male than so be it. With Obama's ascendency we can put past the race issue. I would be perfectly happy with Joe abides as President, although I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Hollary. I want to see a Latino and a gay person in that position as well. I think I'm pushing it in terms of seeing a Muslim as we clearly don't have separation of church and state. But no I don't think W. will be the last white male President and he shouldn't be.

[RZM]

62. LOL

That's not very likely. I'd actually say it's more likely than not there will be a white male president next time around. Probably the whole Republican field will be white males and most of the Democratic field too.

I personally don't think that Hillary Clinton is guaranteed to become president just because she decides to run. And it's way too early to speculate about anything beyond that.

[HappyMe]

63. Probably not.

I would hope that people vote on issues rather than gender or complexion.

[WI_DEM]

64. No, probably a 50-50 chance a white republican will be elected in 2016

People's memories are not good plus GOP is trying to rig electoral votes in PA and other states, if they succeed that will not be helpful. Also, the GOP was written off after 1932, 1964 and after Watergate and they came back and I expect they will again.

[bayareamike]

81. This is, in my opinion, not too shabby

of a prediction. We can't become complacent now. There are no guarantees in politics. 2016 will be a battle just like every election.

[PeaceNikki]

69. I propose a Jewier ticket - Feingold/Franken!!

I will leave the cleaver campaign slogan to Al.

[kwolf68]

70. Oh but for the content of one's character

... our side now doing the same thing we chastise the other of doing. Being "against white men", millions who have sacrificed for the greater good is no better than being against blacks or gays.

I know "white male bashing" in en vogue here on DU, so carry on with it.

Our party is supposed to be tolerant of all types, but in reality there is a bitter racism that unfortunately lives here as well.

And how in the hell do you know WHO is going to be President in 8, 16 or 24 years?

Thread is epic fail!

[NoGOPZone]

71. No, but hopefully he will be the last Bush President. nt

[KamaAina]

73. What's an "ethnic gay"?

I doubt that Bush* will be the last white male pretzeldent. However, it is safe to assume that there will no longer be presidential campaigns with only white male candidates.

[Bake]

74. No, but if you're making it about race, you're as bad as they are.

Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

Bake

[Jim Lane]

76. No, but more barriers will fall. My prediction for the order:

Female President
Hispanic President
Openly LGBT President
Openly atheist or agnostic President

The religious barrier will be the toughest. Right now, a straight white male like me has less of a chance than most of the people in other demographic groups, because they espouse a belief in Christianity.

I was undecided whether and in what order to list the religious but not Christian. For example, a Jewish candidate would face some prejudice, but there are so few Jews that it would likely be a while before one was elected even in the absence of prejudice. For that reason, even though the prejudice against the nonreligious is stronger than anti-Semitism, we might have our first openly atheist or agnostic President before we have our first Jewish President.

[City Lights]

79. No. nt

[just1voice]

88. Regardless of your racist question, Bush should be in prison for treason and war crimes

Setting up torture camps is a direct violation of the 1996 War Crimes Act, and the WMD conspiracy to commit war was treason.

Why isn't he being held accountable?

[DFab420]

89. An ethnic gay!? Lol holy shit.. I don't even know how to respond to such a myopic racist stupid.....

question...


wait...i guess i just did haha

[Xipe Totec]

101. I just hope he's the last dumbshit of whatever color. nt

[Auntie Bush]

102. I concur!

"Hillary 8 years then a Hispanic for 8 years then an ethnic gay for 8 years "
Maybe a white male squeezed in there somewhere round 2020.

[slackmaster]

109. As long as he's the last incompetent President, why would anyone on this site care about...

...the gender or race of future Presidents off into the indefinite future?

It makes no sense to me whatsoever. I thought the whole point of equality and social justice was to get completely beyond the notion of prejudging people by personal traits over which they have no control.

The OP is beyond silly.

[bigwillq]

112. No (nt)

[fadedrose]

113. Could be Biden or Dean - they're white...

[MightyMopar]

114. Can't beat demographics, women are a majority and soon will be non whites

[Cleita]

115. I hope he's the last Republican, like forever. n/t

[Skip Intro]

118. What difference does race and gender make? Why ask such a thing? nt

[bluestate10]

119. No. There is a young Kennedy in the US House now and more young Ks just behind him.

I like people like Patrick Murphy from Florida and the former Congressman, Patrick Murphy from Pennsylvania. What we won't be seeing any more is an all White male ticket for the Presidency and Vice-Presidency.