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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:28 PM

Morals and religion?

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"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"! That is a good rule for life whether you are religious, or, atheist. I think once the atheist get 'organized', they become very much like a religion - the want to preach and try to convert you to their way of thinking. So, these 'preachers' aren't all that much different from a religious preacher. Neither side can prove they are correct, right? And, no one can prove either side wrong!
I was brought up in the Methodist church, but long, long ago, I lost my ability to believe their side of things.
But why 'preach' this when you just live it and don't worry about the others.

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Response to clydefrand (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:37 PM

1. Because Atheists around the world are a persecuted minority group & someone has to speak up.

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Response to clydefrand (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:40 PM

2. Without any other trappings...DO unto Others as You would have Others Do unto You...

Hypocrisy kills this faster than anything. Religious people...ask your church to
do a sermon on the Golden Rule with Hypocrisy.
I'd be curious if it could be done without just quoting the Bible..


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Response to Tikki (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:01 PM

3. Therefore all things whatsoever would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them" (Matthew 7:1

The above is from the bible. So, that is saying the same as 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'. That is, if your neighbor has relations with you spouse, then you must also have relations with your neighbor's spouse.
Not a very religion thing, now it it? The is just the oposite of 'do unto others and you would have them do unto you.

There for, a sermon can't talk about what I said, but only what is in Matthew 7:1.
(See wikipedia)

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Response to clydefrand (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:08 PM

5. Not sure whatcha mean...I know zilch about what is in the Bible...

I would like to hear about any sermon on 'hypocrisy' that doesn't quote the Bible. Just plain talk about 'hypocrisy' and how it works it's way into everyday life.


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Response to clydefrand (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:04 PM

4. I think it depends on the individual

and their personal experiences.

"Christianity" (please note the quotation marks, for I do not personally believe what most people call Christianity is what Jesus intended) is the dominant belief system in this country. Although, there are many different versions of this particular belief system. Inherent in this belief system is that the "true believer" proselytize, in order to convert (or "save") others. Many "Christians" do not bother for several individual reasons. One of these reasons it that many of them simply assume that because it is the dominant faith that everyone they know and personally like must also be a "Christian".

So, in many cases, non-Believers are simply trying to gain understanding and try to explain "why" they don't believe the Mainstream or common beliefs. They are not actively trying to convert others to their beliefs, but simply attempting to deflect the accusations that are flung against them.

There some cases, however, that believe as you suggest - that try to "enlighten others" and convince them to believe the same things they believe.

Full disclosure - I am a Neo-Paganist/Taoist/Agnostic. I like to believe in the Spiritual World as described by Paganism, and I have personally experienced things that cannot be explained. I temper it with my strong belief in philosophical Taoism (more correctly "Daoism") which is basically Agnostic in nature.

Finally, I am the first to admit that I only believe what I believe in order to "make me feel better" and that I COULD BE WRONG. If I had "perfect knowledge" that would make me God.

Which puts me firmly in the Agnostic category.

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Response to clydefrand (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:18 PM

7. Really, the very act of an atheist announcing his existence

is taken as us shoving it in peoples faces. Absurd double standard.

I refuse to hide my atheism just to make people comfortable, especially when we allow fairy tales to dictate our legislative process.

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Response to clydefrand (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:23 PM

8. Locking. Belongs in Religion Group

GD's Statement of Purpose prohibits religion threads. Please post in the Religion Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

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