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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:23 PM

Fuck the GOP over this pro forma bullshit

Does everyone need to be reminded that the GOP stole the election in 2000?

Our country was set on a collision course from which we may never fully recover.

So cry me a river over this perfectly legal recess appointment. There is no crisis. Don't fall for the sensationalist claptrap that repukes are peddling.

Stiffen your upper lip, shut down the concern trolls, and defend our president instead of handwringing.





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Reply Fuck the GOP over this pro forma bullshit (Original post)
Politicub Jan 2013 OP
spanone Jan 2013 #1
BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #2
santamargarita Jan 2013 #3
Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #4
Politicub Jan 2013 #6
santamargarita Jan 2013 #7
lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #5
onenote Jan 2013 #8
dballance Jan 2013 #9
Politicub Jan 2013 #10

Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:24 PM

1. rethug court ruled against it....it will go to the supremes

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Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:26 PM

2. Bigger hypocrites than these repigs have never been seen. . . . .

They're disgusting.

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Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:41 PM

3. That was a coup from the beginning and it will..

happen again in 2016 if we don't stop it now!

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Response to santamargarita (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:42 PM

4. How did we win in 08 and 12

if they are so deft at stealing elections?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:51 PM

6. Because their standard bearer Bush is dumb as a box of hammers

The coup needed a strong leader, but what they got was someone who liked picking up sticks on the weekend and who had trouble with the operation of a door.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:55 PM

7. Well said, thanks.

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Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:47 PM

5. I agree. We're dealing with rethuglican scumbags here.




So put "nice" aside and from now on treat them no better that they have proven themselves worthy of.
There are many of them who really should be in jail right now if they were to be held accountable.

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Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:08 PM

8. the fact is that this is just the latest move in an ongoing game of chess over recess appointments

that won't be resolved until the SCOTUS rules (and maybe not even then).

Remember (and I'm not apologizing for it) that in a sense we started this when, during Chimpy's second term, we started using the pro forma session device to prevent him from making recess appointments. (There actually was an agreement in August of 2007, I think) where the repubs agreed not to make appointments and Reid let the Senate recess. Keep in mind that we didn't want the Senate to adjourn in those days and there was nothing either bush or the House could do about it.

Fast forward to 2012. We still control the Senate and we want to make recess appointments. We had been able to do so in 2009 and 2010 because there was no one who could stop the Senate from recessing. However, after the 2010 elections, the House was controlled by the repubs and we couldn't recess the Senate (thus setting the stage for a recess appointment) without the assent of the House. And taking a page from our playbook, the House would have pretend sessions which kept the Senate from recessing for more than a couple of days at a time.

The most recent move, by the court, renders moot most of the above maneuvering. One can only make a recess appointment during the period when one session of congress has adjourned and the next session hasn't begun. That can be accomplished by recessing without saying its "sine die" -- if Congress wants to call it quits in October and not plan on coming back until January 3, they can do so without saying that the session is at an end. And then they can adjourn at 12 noon on January 3 and immediately thereafter convene the new Congress. All it takes is the wielding of the gavel. But more importantly, whether the recess at the end of one Congress leading into the beginning of the next is a minute, a day, a week, a month or three months, the court's decision, if upheld, would mean that the only vacancies that can be filled via the recess appointment route are vacancies that occur after the recess commences. So if a vacancy occurs while Congress is in session and the President seeks to fill it and the nomination is filibustered or otherwise not acted upon, the President couldn't fill the vacancy once a recess occurred because the vacancy pre-dates the recess. That all but kills the use of recess appointments.

The SCOTUS will definitely take this case, imo. In addition, I think the chances are pretty good they'll reverse on the "only vacancies created after the recess started" portion of the decision. As for whether recess appointments can be limited to intersession recesses and whether Congress can elect not to recess sine die even when they are basically calling it quits for the year -- those questions could go either way, imo.

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Response to Politicub (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:13 PM

9. Um, Hate to be a killjoy but I think we did the same thing when W. was in office

To keep him from making appointments. I don't understand why it was done by a Dem led senate this time around though. They had to know it would cause this kind of issue.

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Response to dballance (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:18 PM

10. Then don't be one

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