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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:23 PM

Dennis Kucinich is now assisting Fox 'news" to sell their "fair and balanced" crap.

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Reply Dennis Kucinich is now assisting Fox 'news" to sell their "fair and balanced" crap. (Original post)
AlinPA Jan 2013 OP
2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #1
libodem Jan 2013 #2
AlinPA Jan 2013 #5
libodem Jan 2013 #13
MuseRider Jan 2013 #15
frylock Jan 2013 #24
Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #16
leveymg Jan 2013 #3
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #7
leveymg Jan 2013 #25
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #4
sabbat hunter Jan 2013 #8
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #10
Arkana Jan 2013 #17
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #19
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #6
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
AlinPA Jan 2013 #11
NoOneMan Jan 2013 #14
jwirr Jan 2013 #12
ProSense Jan 2013 #18
DCBob Jan 2013 #20
MineralMan Jan 2013 #21
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #22
Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #23

Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:26 PM

1. Yes, I believe he is now destined to be the Ron Paul of the left.

Too bad.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:29 PM

2. Too, bad, huh

But I'd like to see him clean O'Reily's clock, just once, before he settles in.

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Response to libodem (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:32 PM

5. He is not getting paid to do that. They will cast him as a "wacko liberal".

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:47 PM

13. That is what I fear

He'll be used and mocked, for his beliefs. I like the guy, and dread having him abused for their amusement.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:56 PM

15. And that will be different from

the way the democrats cast him?

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:22 PM

24. yeh, no shit

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:56 PM

16. So he is willingly taking money to be cast as the "wacko liberal."

I find I am not surprised.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:30 PM

3. It will be interesting to see how Faux deals with Dennis, and vis-a-versa

I wouldn't assume that Dennis can or will be bought off or made to shut-up. He's certainly nobody's stooge. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing more from him, and it can only be a good thing that he finally gets a forum where more people will hear what he has to say.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:35 PM

7. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during the negotiations

I wonder how strong a contract Kookinich has?

A good strong one might make him more independent that Fox is really prepared to deal with, they have been epistemically closing themselves off for so long their intellectual-fu is all but nonexistent and it might not take much of a push from the inside to really shake them up.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:50 PM

25. I think a network that airs the views of the radical Left and Right is long overdue

Media has been dominated for so long by the Radical Centrists, and has suffered from intellectual poverty as a result, a real conflict of ideas might just shake things up more widely.

I don't see Kucinich pulling too many punches just to keep that job. Might be awesome to watch him mix it up with some of the smarter Rightists, and there are some.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:31 PM

4. The guys fought the good fight for years

He's not going to compromise his principles - doing so would render him useless to Fox. They want him up there as an egghead, head-in-the-clouds liberal; for him to go towards the right or the center, would render him useless to them.

He's earned a paycheck or two - I'm not his biggest fan, but I don't begrudge him the opportunity to continue fighting while getting paid.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:38 PM

8. Faux doesn't allow

people on the air who actually put up a fight.

The put on lightweights like Colmes who never stood up to Hannity.

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Response to sabbat hunter (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:41 PM

10. Colmes was a moderate centrist

who was also collecting a paycheck, the terms of which forbid him from engaging Hannity directly. He's kind of a sad sack on the air - his book is pretty good from what I hear.

I don't think they want Kucinich to be a forceful and effective advocate for liberalism - i think they want him because they believe that, already, he's not a very strong advocate for liberalism. I don't think they will tell him anything; they want him to keep doing what he is doing.

That said their perceptions of him are probably different than ours.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:58 PM

17. This isn't fighting--this is allowing Fox to use him.

They can say that because Dennis disagrees with Obama, that must mean the entire American left does too--and you people are fools if you don't think Fox will seize on this to push a false narrative.

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Response to Arkana (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:21 PM

19. I'm not a fool and I more or less said that's why they want him

But, I'm saying, he's a grown man, he's put up with a lot over the years, and let him have his paycheck. Let him continue the fight however he wants to, even if it looks foolish to us. They might be using him, but, maybe from his perspective, he's going to use them too.

Bryant

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:35 PM

6. Maybe they can share a moment of hate for those expressing their right to burn colored cloth. nt

 

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:39 PM

9. Is that better than assisting society to sell their "fair and balanced" crap?

 

I've forever wondered if Dennis was simply an inadvertent tool of the machine to convince malcontents that they have a voice and a horse in a game that forever tramples on their dreams and wishes. Every good empire needs their dissidents within the system, both to fool the masses and to promote agreed upon change when it is determined to accelerate the growth of the empire itself.

The illusion of hope and change can be more cost-effective in fighting revolutionaries than bullets.

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:46 PM

11. I believe he was a true "voice and a horse in the game" in the past. This employment is about

working in the GOP propaganda network.

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Response to AlinPA (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:50 PM

14. In all such roles, his heart may very well believe in the cause

 

We are in no position to question his motives.

But despite both roles, the empire has and will largely continued to do what it wished. Personal intentions are not correlated to systematic effects.

In any case, I remain ambivalent. He will probably be no more effective at convincing Fox viewers of his ideas than congress people. All he will do is preach to whatever choir that needs to believe in him.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:47 PM

12. I give Dennis a very short career in this job. He is too outspoken to be able to handle their bull

for long.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:01 PM

18. Report: Fox News Renews Karl Rove’s Contract

Report: Fox News Renews Karl Rove’s Contract

Fox News has renewed Karl Rover's contract through the 2016 election, Politico's Mike Allen reported Thursday. According to Politico, Fox will announce the deal soon.

Rove made waves on the network on Election Night, criticizing Fox for what he said was a premature call for President Obama. After the blow-up, network chief Roger Ailes reportedly sidelined Rove for a time. He has since been back on-air and has more scheduled appearances coming up.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-fox-news-renews-karl-roves-contract

Oooh, fair and balanced for the lunatic crowd.





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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:24 PM

20. RW media loves to find "kooky" liberals to feature on their shows.

Its been a strategy of theirs for quite some time. Its a shallow attempt to convince viewers how out of touch libs are. I think it only works with those who already believe that.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:38 PM

21. Hey, a guy's gotta earn a living, you know.

Fox Schmox, I say. However, I won't be seeing him there. He's just another progressive voice that won't be heard, and he has no vote in the House any longer. What will become of him? Who knows?

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:42 PM

22. Well, what a sellout.

That lowered my opinion of him about 1000%.

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Response to AlinPA (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:59 PM

23. They are hiring him to advance their agenda

 

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