So, Americans/U.S. Citizens are exempt from indefinite detention?

[FarLeftFist]

Been busy lately, is that the verdict? If so, doesn't it mean nothing has changed, just an extension of the old bill? Like I said, been busy and have heard both sides of the story. Which one is correct?

[MineralMan]

1. Depends on who's beating which drum, it seems.

Language was added to the bill so President Obama wouldn't veto it. Basically, he can do things like he has in the past. So, the overall effect is pretty much no change.

[comipinko]

3. Wooo-hoo status quo!!!

[rhett o rick]

7. George Bush claimed the power to arrest American citizens and hold them indefinitely without

due process. I heard but have no source that the courts backed him up. Now Pres Obama and Congress want to codify this egregious violation of the Constitution.

I thought it was terrible when a Republican did this, now the Democrats are on board, it is unbelievable.

[rhett o rick]

2. Question of the day. I also have heard both stories. nm

[comipinko]

4. The fact that it is unclear is, in itself a big problem.

[FarLeftFist]

6. Why can't we get a definite answer? Even on the web it's hard to decipher because of the changed

language.

[comipinko]

9. That is the design.

[ixion]

5. It further codifies the replacement of Rule of Law with Totalitarianism.

And in that sense, it is a further erosion of the Bill of Rights.

[boxman15]

8. Essentially, the bill reaffirms what America's counterterrorism policy of the past decade

Americans are exempt in the new NDAA.

I still don't like the status quo, but it's good Americans still have their constitutional rights, at least. Indefinite detention should apply to no one, though.

Here's an article from Mother Jones that I found interesting on the topic:

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/new-ndaa-loopholes

[gratuitous]

10. My reading is that indefinite detention is not *required*

But it would be a stretch to say that citizens are "exempt" from indefinite detention. But I'm sure that only the "worst of the worst" will be detained indefinitely without charge, access to counsel or courts, or even communication with the outside world. So, we still have that going for us.

[gkhouston]

11. 'Cause only the "worst of the worst" are imprisoned at Gitmo? n/t

[librechik]

12. John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla and Awlaki--This just codifies what is defacto law since Bush Jr.

not that I'm reassured by that.

[FarLeftFist]

13. SOMEONE PLEASE tell me if U.S. Citizens are exempt!