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Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:02 PM

Oh, so you're afraid of whites becoming a minority?

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Reply Oh, so you're afraid of whites becoming a minority? (Original post)
Playinghardball Jan 2013 OP
HappyMe Jan 2013 #1
siligut Jan 2013 #3
HappyMe Jan 2013 #9
siligut Jan 2013 #11
upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
siligut Jan 2013 #29
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2
Confusious Jan 2013 #37
RKP5637 Jan 2013 #41
siligut Jan 2013 #4
The Second Stone Jan 2013 #5
FarCenter Jan 2013 #6
Orrex Jan 2013 #7
KamaAina Jan 2013 #8
uponit7771 Jan 2013 #10
siligut Jan 2013 #12
KamaAina Jan 2013 #13
siligut Jan 2013 #14
LeftInTX Jan 2013 #35
siligut Jan 2013 #36
RZM Jan 2013 #39
siligut Jan 2013 #40
RZM Jan 2013 #43
siligut Jan 2013 #45
RZM Jan 2013 #46
siligut Jan 2013 #47
hunter Jan 2013 #15
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #16
leftstreet Jan 2013 #18
YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #20
leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
Confusious Jan 2013 #38
DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #23
FarCenter Jan 2013 #44
leftstreet Jan 2013 #48
FarCenter Jan 2013 #49
MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #17
YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #19
Taverner Jan 2013 #33
Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #42
deafskeptic Jan 2013 #22
iandhr Jan 2013 #24
Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #25
siligut Jan 2013 #30
CheapShotArtist Jan 2013 #27
naturallyselected Jan 2013 #28
L0oniX Jan 2013 #31
lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #32
chaska Jan 2013 #34

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:07 PM

1. I'm white. I'm not afraid.



I must not have gotten the 'be afraid' memo.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:16 PM

3. When we visited Napa valley, a lovely Hispanic looking woman was giving me the evil eye

It was quite disturbing so I asked her what I did. She told me we (white people) had stolen their land. When I was younger and in a night club, a black woman was giving me the evil eye, so I asked her what I had done. She told me that we (white women) were stealing their men. When I was in China . . .

I am not afraid, but we whites might have it coming.

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Response to siligut (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:54 PM

9. Well, we probably do.

As far as who people date, I think that is up to the couple involved. It really isn't anybody's business.
Demanding that people date within their race or ethnic group isn't going to go far to help racism.

White people did take everything away from Native Americans. Any time I see a program on the history channel, I think how unforgivable it is.



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:11 PM

11. I agree

Yes, two completely different issues, being white and the evil eye are the unifying factors.

Yes, white people took the land and fucked it up so bad it looks irreparable. Actually I know it will repair itself once we are gone.

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Response to siligut (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:54 PM

26. Whose land was it before she stole it?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:59 PM

29. True, she is genetically at least part Spanish

Mexicans are mixed Indian and Spanish, so half of her stole land from her other half.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:07 PM

2. The US has such a superb record of treating all minorities sooo well, can't

see what the problem would be for a white minority!!!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:19 PM

37. Which country has a superb record of treating minoritites well? Nt

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Response to Confusious (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:36 PM

41. If there is one I certainly do not know. n/t

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:18 PM

4. The good old boys are so trying not to let that happen

Oppression!!!! They are so good at it. Even if out numbered, they have those skills.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:28 PM

5. If every racial group is a minority

we might start treating all minorities equally.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:29 PM

6. There is no majority

East Asians are the largest plurality.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:29 PM

7. I'm not worried, as long as I get to keep my White Male Privilege

I worked very hard to be born white and male, so I deserve to reap the benefits of my diligent efforts.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:31 PM

8. If you are, stay away from Hawai'i!

Haoles have been a minority there for generations.

Come to think of it, there really is no majority out there. And very, very few repukes. Coincidence? I think not.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:01 PM

10. +1!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:26 PM

12. Makes me wonder if religion is going to be a unifying factor

The Mormon owned polynesian center and the old computer game Age of Empires makes me ponder if a religion will create the new ruling majority.

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Response to siligut (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:29 PM

13. About 12 percent of the state is Mormon

they own pretty much the entire town of La'ie, where BYU-H and PCC are. They teamed up with the Catholics to saddle the state with a Prop H8-style ban on marriage equality.

But a Utah-style majority? Not gonna happen.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:36 PM

14. Didn't know that

For such a small religion they sure make trouble/spread RW agenda.

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Response to siligut (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:09 PM

35. They aren't a small religion

They are the fastest growing religion in Mexico.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:16 PM

36. They overstate their numbers and produce many off-spring

Fast growing because they go out and recruit. Tell possible recruits huge lies and make impossible promises.

They make up about 2-3% in the US, but insinuate themselves into powerful positions.

They also concentrate in money making areas, like at two of my financial/investment institutions.

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Response to siligut (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:21 PM

39. You're with Beehive Financial too?

 

I don't know how Mormon the financial sector is. I wouldn't guess a whole lot, but I have no idea. Do you have data on this? Also not sure how you would measure insinuation into powerful positions.



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Response to RZM (Reply #39)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:32 PM

40. No, not Beehive Financial

Are you serious? One of my financial advisers told me about all the Mormons at Fidelity, but I had noticed it before at Merrill Lynch.

Mormons promote other Mormons. They share information with their brethren that they are sworn not to, because Mormons believe their religion is above the law.

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Response to siligut (Reply #40)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:43 PM

43. Reread your last two posts

 

Starting at 'They make up 2-3 percent . . .'

I'll admit 'replace it with Jew' isn't the most original or effective argument, but in this case, it's a bit eerie. Seriously, reread it with that in mind.

If you can't back up these types of assertions with facts, I really don't see why they are necessary.

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Response to RZM (Reply #43)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:31 PM

45. Easy enough to look up the 2-3%

I lived in Utah, my opinion has place here. You, of course may disagree, you have a place here too.

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Response to siligut (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:06 PM

46. Fair enough

 

I'm not trying to launch a tirade over this. DU has more than enough flamewars to go around as it is.

Just something to think about. I think the rhetoric you use has a seriously troubled past - one that is troubled enough, IMO, not to use it.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

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Response to RZM (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:09 PM

47. They are gang stalking me

They promised to ruin my life and have made things very difficult for me.

I would liken them more to Nazis than Jews.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:38 PM

15. My wife and I didn't raise our kids in a white community.

That's the way we wanted it.

I'm white and I grew up in a community that was 99.44% Ivory Soap White and mostly Republican. (My parents were held there by work. They've since retired and moved to a much nicer place.) I escaped that stifling culture in the mid 'eighties and I'm never going back.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:49 PM

16. I don't think they should bash people for breeding outside of their race and I dont think we should

 

bash them for preferring to breed inside theirs. Everyone wants to force their own personal beliefs on everyone else. What difference does it make if whites are the minority? In 10 more years none of this will likely matter anyway with the advance's in technology. Soon we'll be able to pick our childrens sex, eye, hair and skin color. You'll be able to have what ever you want no matter who you breed with as long as you have the money to pay for it.

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Response to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:54 PM

18. There's no such thing as 'race'

There are no genetic markers that specifically distinguish one 'race' from another

You can study skin color, hair color, diseases, etc in terms of how humans adapted to their environments, but that's not 'race'

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:57 PM

20. Biologically, you are correct

But human beings are very much a product of culture and social environment, and "race" is real as a social construct.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:58 PM

21. You could just say that then

That you don't mind if people prefer to 'breed within' their culture and/or social environments

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #21)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:21 PM

38. Doesn't work either

Ethnicity, but the word everyone uses is race.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:30 PM

23. You're correct about the word race, but still, the fact remains people will be able to chose whateve

 

they want, so really it's going to be hard for anyone to argue that this or that is being wiped out when everyone has a choice. For example, people tend to want to express individualism. This is where fads come from. backwards I know, but that's human behavior.
Ten years ago it was the "thing" to get tats. Now almost everyone has them and I know young people who won't be getting them because "everyone" has them. So we see the new trend in being "different" or expressing individualism will be moving towards no tats.

The same will happen with children. It will be trendy for awhile to have pale white skin and light blue eyes, then the trend might move to dark skin and blond hair. Race or skin color issues will be a thing of the past. No one will have any idea what "race" your child is.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #18)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:48 PM

44. Principle component analysis of gene alleles can be used to cluster humans into specific groups

Which pretty much equate to the 4 commonly referred to races if you use 4 principle components. Clustering becomes better defined if you use 7 components to separate out some of the smaller populations.

So biologically, there is such a thing as race.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:28 PM

48. Most variation is within a group, not between groups

There's not a gene out there that manifests in one 'race' but not another

The groupings you're talking about don't establish what people commonly think of when they say 'race'

That's all I meant

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:23 PM

49. The clusters have minimal overlap and the centroids are quite far apart.

The clusters do equate to white, east Asian, black and native American using 4 principle components.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis

It is not based on single genes, but rather an analysis of patterns of alleles across multiple genes.

And there are some highly indicative gene complexes. For example the Neanderthal MHC haplotypes are present only in Eurasians and not in sub-Saharan Africans.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:54 PM

17. The only thing I'm worried about

if/when white folks become a minority is that the white racists will try something big.


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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:55 PM

19. Whites are already a minority where I live (South SF Bay Area)

And guess what?



.........






















I'm fine with that.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:14 PM

33. California! Greatest place on Earth!

 

My kid is in the majority where I live. Not me or my wife (I'm white, she's asian) but HAPA

Hapa is the dominant "race" where we live

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:43 PM

42. Same down here in LA

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:10 PM

22. I'm white but I'm also a minority simply because I was born deaf. I got used to it years ago. nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:36 PM

24. To quote Bill Maher

"I am one of the good ones."

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:48 PM

25. I always get a kick out of "the google"...

I wanted to toss in an image after entering "board of directors" of a bunch of doughy looking codgers.

Okay, granted, there were plenty to choose from but amongst the images was this...



So I'll just let that be my reply.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:05 PM

30. Much better than a bunch of doughy codgers

Thank you Google.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:54 PM

27. Something is kinda having me scratching my head about this.

Like when people say that whites will lose their majority, how do we know for sure that this will continue? I mean all it is is just a trend. Trends can stop or reverse. It's not something that's written in stone.

Another thing I want to add is that I'm curious about whether the people who do these population studies include both racial AND ethnic make-up in these trends. For example, I heard that Latinos are the fastest-growing part of the population. But isn't it true that a person from any race can be Latino/Hispanic, whether they're black, white, or Asian?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:55 PM

28. In Maine,

Something like 96% of the population is white. To me, a real drawback. My son recently married an African-American woman, and I worry they will leave the state because they won't want to raise children here.

I spent some time in Southern California two summers ago, and really enjoyed the ethnic and cultural diversity. That's the melting pot so many give lip service to. I loved it. I couldn't believe how old and white Maine looked on my return.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:11 PM

31. I'm looking forward to it so I can get all that free healthcare and education and welfare.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:13 PM

32. This should be reported to Homeland Security ASAP.












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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:01 PM

34. What is all this with this self-hatred that white people have?

Just because you're not-white does not make you right about anything. Nor does being white make you somehow evil.

STFU already. There are some seriously self-hating and stupid dems.

I used to think like you people. Then I moved to a poor mixed race neighborhood. I know better now. There but for the grace of god go you.

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