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Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:21 AM

Wow! Colin Powell is telling the REAL TRUTH

on MTP. Incredible!!

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Reply Wow! Colin Powell is telling the REAL TRUTH (Original post)
tavernier Jan 2013 OP
PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #1
tavernier Jan 2013 #4
Walk away Jan 2013 #13
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #18
Walk away Jan 2013 #25
mucifer Jan 2013 #32
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #34
Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #31
L0oniX Jan 2013 #40
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #41
karynnj Jan 2013 #57
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #42
Oilwellian Jan 2013 #50
PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #15
KG Jan 2013 #2
GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #21
tularetom Jan 2013 #3
tavernier Jan 2013 #10
niyad Jan 2013 #27
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #44
niyad Jan 2013 #59
Whisp Jan 2013 #36
stopwastingmymoney Jan 2013 #58
Orrex Jan 2013 #11
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #5
Kolesar Jan 2013 #12
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #14
pangaia Jan 2013 #52
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #6
Schema Thing Jan 2013 #8
Walk away Jan 2013 #7
trumad Jan 2013 #9
Autumn Jan 2013 #16
Separation Jan 2013 #17
stlsaxman Jan 2013 #20
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #22
Walk away Jan 2013 #30
TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #35
Walk away Jan 2013 #51
stlsaxman Jan 2013 #55
one_voice Jan 2013 #60
Scuba Jan 2013 #23
trumad Jan 2013 #38
malaise Jan 2013 #26
underpants Jan 2013 #37
pangaia Jan 2013 #54
diddlysquat Jan 2013 #19
tavernier Jan 2013 #24
PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #48
tavernier Jan 2013 #49
MissMarple Jan 2013 #56
tavernier Jan 2013 #61
tabasco Jan 2013 #28
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #45
BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #29
Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #33
trumad Jan 2013 #39
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #46
Enrique Jan 2013 #47
TransitJohn Jan 2013 #43
patrice Jan 2013 #53

Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:24 AM

1. It doesn't come on in my time zone for hours!

tell us more please!
Thanks!

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

4. David Gregory challenged his "republican-ism"

Powell laid out all the reasons why the "new" republican party are on their way down the toilet. He was very specific, not pulling any punches. He also said how disgusting it was that the repug party encouraged the disrespect to the president, using terms such as "shuck and jive" and "lazy". He put it right in DG's face.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:33 AM

13. Ah yes. It's the new popular stand for "moderate Pukes" to cry about the...

extreme part of their party's bad behavior. Where was his indignation in October?

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Response to Walk away (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:38 AM

18. He endorsed Obama in October. I guess that's a pretty good show

of indignation against his party.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:00 AM

25. So what. He endorsed the President in 2008 but he's still a lying sack of shit republican.

His party has been attacking Obama for four years and he waits until after the election to "expose" them.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:10 AM

32. I would not be surprised if the president asked him to stay republican

It looks more impressive for President Obama to have republicans on his side than all democrats, especially right before the election.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:16 AM

34. When somebody does something good, I don't kick them.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:08 AM

31. Like Hagel, Powell promoted the Iraq War for Bush then later felt that decision migh taint his

reputation. Powell's statement at the UN, holding up that vile defines him. It is in my opinion sad and pathetic that all those in power who botched the Iraq War who took us there for no reason are constantly rewarded while those who were correct about the invasion are dumped on.
Hagel and Powell helped Bush invade Iraq. I don't see that as good stuff. The fact that years later they regretted being so stupid, so lacking in insight does not alter the fact that when it mattered, both of them said 'Let's bomb the hell out of Iraq'.
It is pretty easy to say you regret a thing that went so badly as Iraq. It is the ability to know better prior to the death and destruction that should be the metric of talent to be rewarded.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:36 PM

40. He's a liar. He pointed right at those oil tankers and called them "mobile scud launchers" ...

saw it on tv ...him with a large sat picture pointing to the trucks. Even I knew they weren't scud launcher.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:37 PM

41. You mean like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry did? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:38 PM

57. You can't equate them to Powell, who was the one who convinced

them of the potential threat. At the time of the vote, there had been no inspections for 5 years - and before they left they were surprised that Iraq had as much as it did.

It helps ONLY the neo-cons to conflate an October 2002 vote - which Bush himself said was not a vote for war (in Cincinnati) with the decision in March 2003 to go to war. Powell was STILL speaking of the need to go to war then. Hillary Clinton was silent. Kerry argued that we should not rush to war AND said it would not be a war of last resort if we did. ( meaning to Catholics - it would be an immoral war.)

That said, it is better to speak out as Hagel did - even before 2004 - knowing that it helped Kerry to quote Hagel and Lugar - than not at all. Similarly, it is better to say what Powell is saying than what all the neo cons are still saying.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:39 PM

42. He was lied to and duped, too, along with the American public and most of Congress.

Millions of people fell for it, not even thinking that the President would concoct fake evidence to conduct a war of choice.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:32 PM

50. Duped?

Are you trying to change history?

January 29, 2003: Powell Accepts Task of Making Administration’s Case for War; Finds White House Dossier Unreliable

US Secretary of State Colin Powell reluctantly accepts the task of making the administration’s case for war to the United Nations Security Council. He assigns his close friend and chief of staff Larry Wilkerson to go to the CIA and put together a team to craft a presentation. Though Powell has long harbored deep misgivings about the war, in public he has consistently and staunchly promoted the war, even when it came to repeating claims he knew to be false (see January 23, 2008). Powell also gives Wilkerson a 48-page report from the White House on Iraq’s alleged arsenal of banned weapons. The report is meant to serve as the basis for Powell’s upcoming speech to the UN (see February 5, 2003). Powell, skeptical of the report’s data, instructs Wilkerson to have it looked over by the CIA. The dossier was written primarily by two senior aides to Vice President Cheney, John Hannah and I. Lewis Libby (see January 25, 2003). The analysts at CIA will quickly determine that the documents are based on unreliable sources (see January 30-February 4, 2003). Speculation is already rampant throughout the State Department and among well-informed observers as to why Powell became such a reliable spokesman for the administration’s war plans. A State Department official will echo the opinion of others in saying that Powell is “completely aware of the machinations going on,” but wants to avoid any sort of public dispute among top White House officials—and Powell wants to keep relations with Vice President Dick Cheney on an even keel. Author Craig Unger will later note, “Regardless of what he really believed, Powell ultimately accommodated the White House to such an extent that he became the most articulate spokesman for the war effort.”


'Idiocy'

“We were so appalled at what had arrived from the White House,” one official later says. As another senior official (likely Wilkerson) will later recall, “We went through that for about six hours—item by item, page by page and about halfway through the day I realized this is idiocy, we cannot possibly do this, because it was all bullsh_t—it was unsourced, a lot of it was just out of the newspapers, it was—and I look back in retrospect—it was a Feith product, it was a Scooter Libby product, it was a Vice President’s office product. It was a product of collusion between that group. And it had no way of standing up, anywhere, I mean it was nuts.”
Starting from Scratch - After several hours, Wilkerson and Tenet are both so fed up that they decide to scrap the WMD dossier entirely. “Let’s go back to the NIE,” Tenet suggests, referring to the recently released National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq (see October 1, 2002). Wilkerson is not aware of how badly the NIE had been, in author Craig Unger’s words, “tampered with,” but Powell should have known, as his own intelligence bureau in the State Department had disputed key elements of the NIE.


Early February, 2003: Cheney Tells Powell Why He is Making the UN Presentation

As the date for the UN presentation by Secretary of State Colin Powell approaches (see February 5, 2003), Vice President Dick Cheney gives Powell one reason why Powell is the choice to make the presentation: “Your poll numbers are in the seventies. You can afford to lose a few points.”


Powell had the power to stop the push for war, but instead chose to give credibility to the neocons plan. He was always the consummate yes man.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?specific_cases_and_issues=powellsSpeech&timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq

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Response to tavernier (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:35 AM

15. shuck and jive...lazy...

didn't that come from the filthy mouth of Sarah Palin? (dumb-ass of the North)

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:24 AM

2. piss on Colin Powell

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Response to KG (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:43 AM

21. I agree. He should be in prison.


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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

3. Too bad he didn't tell the real truth to the UN back in 2003

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Response to tularetom (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:32 AM

10. He talked about that

Said he told the truth based on what was told to him, which turned out to be false. I do believe that. I don't believe his statement, "President Bush also tried to avoid war." I will never believe that.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:03 AM

27. bs, the whole world knew--well, at least everyone who wasn't listening to the msm here.

he only knew what he was told? he didn't bother checking anything out for himself? wow, a new version of "I was just following orders", this being "I just did what I was told, even though I was the one in charge"

he should have been in prison long ago.

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Response to niyad (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:40 PM

44. Are you so accomplished that you not only use a cell phone, but you also build it yourself?

No...that's not your expertise. You rely on those who do that for a living, then you take the cell phone, and believe that it's not actually a spy tool to track your movements and report them to someone. But the fact is, the latter could be the truth.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:59 PM

59. what utter nonsense. everyone here on DU knew, the whole FRIGGIN world KNEW--all that

lying sob had to do was look at a newspaper from europe, or india, or anywhere but the worthless msm of this country.

so don't give me that crap about cell phones, as though that were even comparable. it was his F****** JOB to know the truth

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Response to tavernier (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:21 AM

36. so most of us at DU are smarter than him

 

because we knew the sack of shit Bush and his PNACing fucks were lying.

go away Powell, go chew on your arm in penance you accessory to mass murder.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:44 PM

58. +1 nt

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Response to tularetom (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:32 AM

11. I believe that Powell gave a ringing endorsement of Jackson's The Hobbit.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:28 AM

5. About what?

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:32 AM

12. Colin is a Republican with "liar's remorse"

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:34 AM

14. Wow. Nice

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:44 PM

52. Perfect ! :>)

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:30 AM

6. Congratulations

Your post wasn't totally opaque, evidently Colin Powell is on the Meet the Press saying something or other that you agree with.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:31 AM

8. stuff. just you know, stuff.


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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:30 AM

7. That will be the first time since the Mai Lai Massacre!

He hardly ever tells the truth about anything until he is caught in his lies.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:32 AM

9. You mean this guy?

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:36 AM

16. That's the one trumad, a real paragon of truth and virtue

I don't get it. He knew, he had to have known.

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:36 AM

17. MMMM yellow cake

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:42 AM

20. yup- same guy that shot to the head of the class by the My Lai Massacre cover-up...

he became Cheney's "boy" after that.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:45 AM

22. I wouldn't use the term "boy", even though I know you are not trying to be racist.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:08 AM

30. I don't think the poster is racist but he may be indicating that Powell actually was....

Dick Cheney's house slave for decades. It is sad but that is an accurate description of their relationship. I imagine the race of both men played into their relationship because neither are ethically evolved human beings.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:17 AM

35. I am not comfortable with that sort of terminology or characterization.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:41 PM

51. Well then how about Dick Cheney owned Colin Powell body and soul....

from the time Powell helped cover up the Mai Lai Massacre up to and beyond the point where he lied our country into the war in Iraq. Powell sold himself to the Neo-Cons. He caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis at the bidding of his Boss. (I will use the word "Boss" even thought it does not actually describe their relationship).

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:26 PM

55. I beg your pardon, but your comfort was/is not my concern.

i meant the word "boy" (please note quotes) in the very sense of the word you would have me not. Colin Powell was a NOTHING, a NOBODY before he came the rescue of Second Lieutenant William Calley. Cheney/Rumsfeld saw Powell as useful and snatched him up. He was seen as "one of the good ones". He said yes every time to any thing.

Anyone who would even ATTEMPT to cover up the mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians is looking to be used. Powell got used. Powell got more work. Powell sold his soul. Hope he can sleep at night... wait- no, i don't.

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Response to Walk away (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:06 PM

60. House slave?...

I thought I was on Democratic Underground. WTF is that shit?

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:48 AM

23. Hey, I thought you got tombstoned yesterday!

Snort.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:11 PM

38. Shit...

Would you believe I'm a Sock Puppet?

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:00 AM

26. Getting up off the floor

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:26 AM

37. Three strikes and you are out Colin 1. Mai Lai "investigation" 2. Iran Contra 3. Feb 5 2003

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Response to trumad (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:48 PM

54. Powell is one of the smoothest liars

I have ever seen.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:38 AM

19. OK, so what did he say exactly?

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Response to diddlysquat (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:54 AM

24. It was just an interesting interview

once Gregory challenged his standing as a republican. He laid out his interpretation of the party as it now stands, far to the right and led by people who are dumb asses. (my description... I don't remember his exact words).

I should have expected to be clubbed to death by mentioning his name, but regardless, it was one of the more interesting interviews I've seen on that show lately.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:53 PM

48. thanks for posting...

even though you expected to take a beating.
I'm with you and a few others here, in that he didn't have to come out and say these things or endorse and tell the world that he voted for Obama...but he DID.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:40 PM

49. Thanks PearliePoo



Got any aspirin??

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Response to tavernier (Reply #49)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:33 PM

56. Welcome back tavernier!

Do you always make such a stir? You have quite the cacaphonous conversation goin on here. But it is much better than being ignored. And some people around here simply cannot resist jumping all over Republicans, even ones who have seemingly recanted.

I checked your profile. Alan Rickman is one of my favorite actors, as well, as is Stephen Fry.

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Response to MissMarple (Reply #56)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:24 PM

61. Thanks for the welcome back!

And yeah, I do. Fools rush in, and all that.



Rickman? Saw him on stage in NYC, London and Dublin. Wore a Team Snape tee shirt to Wizarding World in Orlando and was subsequently given a tour of the castle by a robed guide who claimed to be "Head Girl of Slytherin." Yeah, I'm a geek.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:05 AM

28. Powell is a coward

Put the teabaggers in charge and he'd be singing their tune.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:42 PM

45. The teabaggers ARE in charge. Haven't you been paying attention? nt

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:07 AM

29. I'll never forgive Colin Powell. . .

He can yap on about the repigs, but he certainly wasn't too indignant while working for the Chimp, GWB. And he can bump his gums about the "MISTAKE' he made pushing the war on Iraq, but that doesn't change the fact that he DID it. He's guilty as hell, and a million "I regret it" just won't cut it.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:13 AM

33. I forgive anyone of their past once they help the party.

 

This is politics in America, not Utopiaville.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:12 PM

39. Tell that to the family of 4000 dead US soldiers...

and thousands of innocent dead Iraqi's.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #33)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:45 PM

46. No one is all bad or all good. Including the posters in this forum. Incl Obama and G W Bush &

and Bill "NAFTA" Clinton, as well as Hillary "I voted for the Iraq War!" Clinton, and John "I was against it before I was for it" Kerry.

A complex, thorough dupe was pulled on the American public AND Congress and W.H. staffers in the runup to the Iraq War. Powell was used as their stooge at the U.N. hearing. He was, after all, employed by teh administration...the choice was either to make the presentation, which Powell believed to be true since it came from the CIA, or to quit his job and be accused of betraying his President and his country.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:53 PM

47. i agree

we can't really sustain our anti-Iraq War outrage. Every top position in the current administration has gone to supporters of that war, including Hagel. Opponents of the war have not even been considered, as far as I know.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:40 PM

43. Did he come clean about his lies in front of the UN? No?

Then fuck the murderous bastard. The blood of hundreds of thousands is directly attributable to him. He can go fuck himself.

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Response to tavernier (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:46 PM

53. Of course everyone who had an opportunity to STAND against the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq &

didn't, has excused themselves from any criticism of Colin Powell &, yes, since we have collectively assented to something that we refer to as our armed forces, and as their opportunities to represent themselves in the matters known as orders, which are a fundamental trait of armed forces, are limited, their relationship to this particular issue is their own, that is not subject to my assessment of it.

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