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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:12 PM

Gun-rights groups: Our 'backs are against the wall'

As lawmakers from Connecticut to California rush to propose new restrictions on firearms and ammunition, state-level gun-rights activists are playing defense for the first time in years, with some saying they face fights they may not win.

“Our backs are against the wall,” said Scott Wilson, president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League, a pro-gun rights group. “We are in for the fight of our lives. I have never seen anything like it.”

In a blog post after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the CCDL admitted to its members that efforts to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines could succeed, despite their strident opposition.

The CCDL message said that "we simply do not know" whether they would be "successful in our efforts to protect us from bans on certain firearms or magazines."


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/12/16467502-gun-rights-groups-our-backs-are-against-the-wall?lite

This is what we call cultural changes

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nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP
rgbecker Jan 2013 #1
caseymoz Jan 2013 #13
Skittles Jan 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #3
Skittles Jan 2013 #5
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #8
Skittles Jan 2013 #15
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #21
Skittles Jan 2013 #25
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #26
TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #4
Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #12
caseymoz Jan 2013 #14
Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #18
caseymoz Jan 2013 #35
patrice Jan 2013 #7
ellisonz Jan 2013 #9
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #39
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #10
madinmaryland Jan 2013 #11
ileus Jan 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17
Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #20
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #29
GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #40
malaise Jan 2013 #19
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #22
spanone Jan 2013 #23
spanone Jan 2013 #24
Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #27
cantbeserious Jan 2013 #28
graham4anything Jan 2013 #30
Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #34
Taitertots Jan 2013 #32
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #33
NickB79 Jan 2013 #36
Hekate Jan 2013 #37
nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #38

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:14 PM

1. Sad that it takes 20 dead 6 year olds to get us there. n/t

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Response to rgbecker (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:47 PM

13. More than that actually.


So many children are killed and wounded by guns. It just an incident to illustrate that.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:14 PM

2. take it like the cowards you are

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Response to Skittles (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:16 PM

3. I just got a scare

Report, wrong, of shooting went over radio...police were responding code three to movie theater.

I gotta hope they find the idiot that placed that 911 call. Was starting to get gear together.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:18 PM

5. wow

I cannot imagine how first responders feel, knowing they witness the utter carnage caused by our catering to the paranoid fantasies of gun nuts

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:26 PM

8. I can, done the job (graphic for those not wanting to read this)

The first thing that goes through your head is...what if there is still an active shooter? Hence questions like what type of weapon when possible.

The second, at least to us...what if somebody placed a device as well? They are waiting for us. Stand back in the US helps for both for EMS but can delay entry while cops make sure, as best as can be done, that those dangers are not there.

The third, you really are not ready, when you see a kid shot that your job is to keep alive. What our media ignores, since it sanitizes things, is that you can't run in either. Blood is really slick...and finally, there is this incredible coppery smell you never quite forget.

I was looking at the map before going as a reporter for the tactical layout of the land. None fears my 300 mm, not when they carry a .223.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:22 PM

15. I have donated 45 gallons of blood products

yet I get queasy just READING about blood from trauma

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Response to Skittles (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:40 PM

21. For the record, there was a person shot

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:01 PM

25. that's good....this time

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Response to Skittles (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:04 PM

26. And I never got hold of editor

I am cleared for school mass shooting.

I guess a theater too, as long as it is worst case...

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:17 PM

4. Cry me a river.

Feeling threatened, boys?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:24 PM

6. This is the first honest assessment of the situation to come out of the gun crowd.

About time.

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Response to Mrs. Overall (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:30 PM

12. Yup

I was looking for something else when I came across it.

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Response to Mrs. Overall (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:34 PM

14. They're beginning to realize . . .


. . . that if parents have turned against them, they've lost. If parents feel they're children are threatened, it doesn't matter what Founding Fathers thought or what the Constitution says. They'll declare the Founders idiots and declare the 2nd Amendment wrong before they'll let children be endangered.

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Response to caseymoz (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:35 PM

18. Are you saying the gun crowd puts children before the 2nd Amendment and the Founding Fathers?

I'd love to hear why you think that.

I've been reading some right-wing web sites that seem to really hate the way the press has covered the shootings--saying the press is creating too much sympathy for the victims. I'm really not getting the feeling from the right wingers and/or the NRA that they put children before the 2nd Amendment, but I am genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on this.

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Response to Mrs. Overall (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:19 AM

35. No, it's dawning on them how marginalized they are.


That's what I'm saying. They're finding out their old tricks no longer work and they're either ignorant as to why or they sneer at it. They've realized they're up against a groundswell the likes of which they've never seen.

I didn't mean that they knew why or were changing their tune. I was explaining why public opinion so radically against them, not that they know why.

All their tactics so far are burying them deeper. I've been awed at how hapless they are.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:25 PM

7. When you'll kill for a gun, you are the one who put your own back against that wall. We were trying

to get along with gun owners. There's almost no one more surprised than i that we are even talking about controls of any kind and I AM pretty good at reading the political tea leaves. No one was going to do anything about gun violence in the USA. Gun owners were home free, then Newtown happened and then James Yeager spoke out for gun owners on their intent to kill anyone who seeks regulation that actually works.

Gun owners brought ALL of this on themselves, by demonstrating their own incompetence and ir-responsibility and willingness to engage in violence.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:26 PM

9. Nuts.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

39. A lot of the gunners are. n/t

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:27 PM

10. Know how long Assualt weapons have terrorized our nation or

how did Clyde Barrow go from thug to #1 Mug ?





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_Browning_Automatic_Rifle

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:28 PM

11. Fucking cowards. Go to hell. RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:29 PM

16. All we can do is fight the good fight and hope our rights aren't destroyed.

Sad so many people want to just give up and roll over on the most important issue of our lives.

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Response to ileus (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:30 PM

17. So having an assault weapon is a right

Wonders never cease.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:38 PM

20. And the sunflower avatar, with "Way Harmony Spirit: as the signature line--

seems a little incongruous with wanting to fight for assault weapons.

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Response to ileus (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:07 PM

29. The most important issue of your life is possession of high capacity semi auto assault style weapons

How sad for you.

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Response to ileus (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:38 PM

40. The most important issue of our lives is securing a future that doesn't include indiscriminate

Killing.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:37 PM

19. Those lil children's backs are lying in caskets

Fuck the gun rights supporters of slaughter

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:46 PM

22. Things...

...aren't likely to be what they seem to be.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:47 PM

23. let us pray.

and hope so.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:48 PM

24. and their heads are up their asses.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:05 PM

27. Maybe they should be working for effective reasonable regulation instead.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:05 PM

28. The Road To Repealing The 2nd Amendment Is A Long March To A Moral Victory

eom

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:10 PM

30. Social media and Michael Bloomberg being the Great Equalizer were never around before

 

this more than others proves there is a forward movement because of President Obama.

His now legendary team of Plouffe and Axelrod created this social political network that was not around in 2004 and never earlier.

It is revolutionizing the nation and the world.

If only it was around in 2000, the outcome never would have happened on all the fronts that happened.
For one thing, the fake rightwing extremist protesters would have been outed immediately and the recount would have continued, the agitators arrested and jailed.
For another the Nader thing would have been exposed as a sham, much like social media exposed Ron Paul as a fraud.

The Great Equalizer, Michael Bloomberg, being front and center is the second as important,
reason.
Never before has anyone $$$ for $$$ gone against the NRA like the man himself is doing.
And the fighting candidate vs. candidate in the primaries test that the Los Angeles race was,
and winning that specific race,showed the NRA they were up against something like never before.

And then there were the 20 kids and 6 adults. But there were prior shootings that the NRA was able to outlast.
This time is different.

social media
President Obama
Mike Bloomberg

and the spark has started and can't be put out
may take awhile, and there will be more killings
but the spark will turn into an uncontrollable forest fire and not stop til the last gun is out of the streets forever by anyone other than law enforcement

the NRA is dead, they just don't know it yet(like the Knight who said Ni).

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:17 PM

31. With their backs agains the wall, is there any sign that they are becoming part of the solution?

Or, are they still determined to be an impediment?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:25 PM

34. Given the reaction to this

From our own gungeon regulars...stand in way as long as possible.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:23 PM

32. Mass hysteria is sweeping the nation

People are terrified and they are not going to stop until they are psychologically comforted by the idea that they have done something to protect themselves from the boogieman.

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Response to Taitertots (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:24 PM

33. Yup, we are all imagining the dead

It must be mass psychosis.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:33 AM

36. Its also great for fundraising

The NRA has received $2.5 MILLION in the past 3 weeks alone. The very mention of gun control has revived a dying patient. The 2014 and 2016 elections are going to be interesting to say the least. Sometimes I think they intentionally speak like this just to drive more fearful gun owners to the polls, just like in 1994.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:38 AM

37. Cornered rats are dangerous, but that should not deter us

It is long past time to end this madness.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 03:58 PM

38. Given Wayne (the paranoid) LaPierre's latest ranting

This deserves a kick

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