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Our backs are against the wall, said Scott Wilson, president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League, a pro-gun rights group. We are in for the fight of our lives. I have never seen anything like it.
In a blog post after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the CCDL admitted to its members that efforts to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines could succeed, despite their strident opposition.
The CCDL message said that "we simply do not know" whether they would be "successful in our efforts to protect us from bans on certain firearms or magazines."
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/12/16467502-gun-rights-groups-our-backs-are-against-the-wall?lite
This is what we call cultural changes
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)So many children are killed and wounded by guns. It just an incident to illustrate that.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Report, wrong, of shooting went over radio...police were responding code three to movie theater.
I gotta hope they find the idiot that placed that 911 call. Was starting to get gear together.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)I cannot imagine how first responders feel, knowing they witness the utter carnage caused by our catering to the paranoid fantasies of gun nuts
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The first thing that goes through your head is...what if there is still an active shooter? Hence questions like what type of weapon when possible.
The second, at least to us...what if somebody placed a device as well? They are waiting for us. Stand back in the US helps for both for EMS but can delay entry while cops make sure, as best as can be done, that those dangers are not there.
The third, you really are not ready, when you see a kid shot that your job is to keep alive. What our media ignores, since it sanitizes things, is that you can't run in either. Blood is really slick...and finally, there is this incredible coppery smell you never quite forget.
I was looking at the map before going as a reporter for the tactical layout of the land. None fears my 300 mm, not when they carry a .223.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)yet I get queasy just READING about blood from trauma
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And a theater cleared.
Nothing as what first feared.
http://www.10news.com/news/authorities-respond-to-officer-involved-shooting-at-movie-theater-in-carmel-mountain-01122013
Skittles
(153,258 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am cleared for school mass shooting.
I guess a theater too, as long as it is worst case...
TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)About time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I was looking for something else when I came across it.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . that if parents have turned against them, they've lost. If parents feel they're children are threatened, it doesn't matter what Founding Fathers thought or what the Constitution says. They'll declare the Founders idiots and declare the 2nd Amendment wrong before they'll let children be endangered.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)I'd love to hear why you think that.
I've been reading some right-wing web sites that seem to really hate the way the press has covered the shootings--saying the press is creating too much sympathy for the victims. I'm really not getting the feeling from the right wingers and/or the NRA that they put children before the 2nd Amendment, but I am genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on this.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)That's what I'm saying. They're finding out their old tricks no longer work and they're either ignorant as to why or they sneer at it. They've realized they're up against a groundswell the likes of which they've never seen.
I didn't mean that they knew why or were changing their tune. I was explaining why public opinion so radically against them, not that they know why.
All their tactics so far are burying them deeper. I've been awed at how hapless they are.
patrice
(47,992 posts)to get along with gun owners. There's almost no one more surprised than i that we are even talking about controls of any kind and I AM pretty good at reading the political tea leaves. No one was going to do anything about gun violence in the USA. Gun owners were home free, then Newtown happened and then James Yeager spoke out for gun owners on their intent to kill anyone who seeks regulation that actually works.
Gun owners brought ALL of this on themselves, by demonstrating their own incompetence and ir-responsibility and willingness to engage in violence.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)how did Clyde Barrow go from thug to #1 Mug ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_Browning_Automatic_Rifle
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Sad so many people want to just give up and roll over on the most important issue of our lives.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Wonders never cease.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)seems a little incongruous with wanting to fight for assault weapons.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)How sad for you.
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)Killing.
malaise
(269,251 posts)Fuck the gun rights supporters of slaughter
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...aren't likely to be what they seem to be.
spanone
(135,919 posts)and hope so.
spanone
(135,919 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)this more than others proves there is a forward movement because of President Obama.
His now legendary team of Plouffe and Axelrod created this social political network that was not around in 2004 and never earlier.
It is revolutionizing the nation and the world.
If only it was around in 2000, the outcome never would have happened on all the fronts that happened.
For one thing, the fake rightwing extremist protesters would have been outed immediately and the recount would have continued, the agitators arrested and jailed.
For another the Nader thing would have been exposed as a sham, much like social media exposed Ron Paul as a fraud.
The Great Equalizer, Michael Bloomberg, being front and center is the second as important,
reason.
Never before has anyone $$$ for $$$ gone against the NRA like the man himself is doing.
And the fighting candidate vs. candidate in the primaries test that the Los Angeles race was,
and winning that specific race,showed the NRA they were up against something like never before.
And then there were the 20 kids and 6 adults. But there were prior shootings that the NRA was able to outlast.
This time is different.
social media
President Obama
Mike Bloomberg
and the spark has started and can't be put out
may take awhile, and there will be more killings
but the spark will turn into an uncontrollable forest fire and not stop til the last gun is out of the streets forever by anyone other than law enforcement
the NRA is dead, they just don't know it yet(like the Knight who said Ni).
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Or, are they still determined to be an impediment?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)From our own gungeon regulars...stand in way as long as possible.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)People are terrified and they are not going to stop until they are psychologically comforted by the idea that they have done something to protect themselves from the boogieman.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It must be mass psychosis.
NickB79
(19,283 posts)The NRA has received $2.5 MILLION in the past 3 weeks alone. The very mention of gun control has revived a dying patient. The 2014 and 2016 elections are going to be interesting to say the least. Sometimes I think they intentionally speak like this just to drive more fearful gun owners to the polls, just like in 1994.
Hekate
(90,956 posts)It is long past time to end this madness.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This deserves a kick