Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:20 PM
Stinky The Clown (51,304 posts)
You all know me as a critic of this president. About that speech he just gave . . . .Good speech. Real policy ideas. A few great lines. Some challenges to the shitbird repubicans. My favorite line was the one about nation building in AMERICA. To that I say "Fuck Yeah!"
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25 replies, 2328 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| Stinky The Clown | Jan 2012 | OP | |
| DevonRex | Jan 2012 | #1 | |
| slay | Jan 2012 | #2 | |
| demtenjeep | Jan 2012 | #4 | |
| slay | Jan 2012 | #6 | |
| FarLeftFist | Jan 2012 | #9 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jan 2012 | #17 | |
| tavalon | Jan 2012 | #22 | |
| SammyWinstonJack | Jan 2012 | #5 | |
| joshcryer | Jan 2012 | #10 | |
| slay | Jan 2012 | #11 | |
| uppityperson | Jan 2012 | #12 | |
| slay | Jan 2012 | #15 | |
| uppityperson | Jan 2012 | #18 | |
| napi21 | Jan 2012 | #14 | |
| joshcryer | Jan 2012 | #16 | |
| JDPriestly | Jan 2012 | #20 | |
| slay | Jan 2012 | #25 | |
| tavalon | Jan 2012 | #23 | |
| Lifelong Protester | Jan 2012 | #3 | |
| Matariki | Jan 2012 | #7 | |
| Odin2005 | Jan 2012 | #8 | |
| Rosa Luxemburg | Jan 2012 | #13 | |
| tavalon | Jan 2012 | #24 | |
| Marrah_G | Jan 2012 | #19 | |
| tavalon | Jan 2012 | #21 |
Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:23 PM
DevonRex (19,928 posts)
1. Thank you.
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You could have kept that to yourself but you didn't. You stepped up in a big way.
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:24 PM
slay (7,670 posts)
2. Since when has he not given good - no great - speeches though?
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his actions, or lack thereof - not his speeches - are the problem IMO.
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Response to slay (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:26 PM
demtenjeep (21,763 posts)
4. his actions? Are you fucking serious? How about the do-nothing congress
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I am fucking sick of all the I don't get my pony people
Jesus go fucking vote for newty/romney then |
Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:30 PM
slay (7,670 posts)
6. Yeah - like signing on for indefinite detention of Americans, covering up the Bush WAR CRIMES
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not even trying to fight for single payer for us. yeah - i indeed have problems with his actions. your remark about voting for romney/newt was uncalled for.
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Response to slay (Reply #6)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:34 PM
FarLeftFist (6,161 posts)
9. There goes the baby, out with the bathwater.
Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #9)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:53 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,851 posts)
17. OBAMA BADDDDD!!!!
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Response to demtenjeep (Reply #4)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:00 AM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
22. Does it make you feel any better to know that I blame Congress as much, if not more
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than him, though as the Captain of the ship, the Dems in Congress do look to him for leadership and guidance and they got precious little of either. I will, of course, vote for him, because the alternative is worse, but he hasn't been great. I hope that without the need to campaign for a second term, he will decide to go for a more liberal legacy.
Oh, and BTW, the pony canard is old, old and old. That poor beast is glue. Retire him please. |
Response to slay (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:29 PM
SammyWinstonJack (35,105 posts)
5. Agree. Not impressed with his speeches, anymore.
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Response to slay (Reply #2)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:40 PM
joshcryer (39,746 posts)
10. His policy proposals in 2008 were much more moderate / pragmatic / center-right, imo.
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Going after the Taliban, escalating in Afghanistan, deficit reduction.
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Response to joshcryer (Reply #10)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:41 PM
slay (7,670 posts)
11. I agree. This one was slightly less center-right than before
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not good enough IMO - but it's the so called "choice" we are given.
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Response to slay (Reply #11)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
uppityperson (74,133 posts)
12. 'so called "choice" '? Do you mean between Obama and the repub clown?
Response to uppityperson (Reply #12)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:49 PM
slay (7,670 posts)
15. In a way
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2 parties - when both are pro-corporate - isn't much of a choice. The Dems are better - but by how much?
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Response to slay (Reply #15)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:56 PM
uppityperson (74,133 posts)
18. "The Dems are better - but by how much?" not much of a difference between Dems and Repubs?
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Dems=Repubs? Do you support the Greens or who? How about SCOTUS? |
Response to slay (Reply #11)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:48 PM
napi21 (39,478 posts)
14. No speech would be good enough to suit you I guess.
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I suspect you're thinking about how great Teddy did so many years ago, and you're right, it wasn't as good as Teddy's, BUT you must also consider that Teddy had a congress that was on HIS SIDE! I think our Pressident was as strong as he felt he could be at this point in time, and hope to get reelected and get a cooperative congress too. What a dream that would be!
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Response to slay (Reply #11)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:51 PM
joshcryer (39,746 posts)
16. Well, Iran/Israel, he's definitely center-right.
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I would say "right" full stop there, but, he's wrong, on that count. Plus, I don't see him attacking Iran unless the circumstances were extraordinary, and give it about a 40% chance (any Republican gives us a 100% chance). So I suppose saying 'center' right on Iran/Isreal is true.
Fracking talk, disliked it a lot, but the renewable energy infrastructure people love it, so, there's sort of a big internal conflict with environmentalists on that issue (gas is lower emission, does really good for peaking or standby at high efficiency for intermittent renewables). He's on the center on this issue, center-right is arguable, but only if you discount the pro-nat-gas environment policy proposals. Taxes is a mixed bag, people will argue that he's being right wing on it, but "bringing jobs back" is a very progressive idea, bringing jobs back and tax breaks for doing so, it's hard to see how that is even a right wing view. Since he was saying that we needed to end the Bush tax cuts, it's clear that he's really more center-left on that issue, but it will be argued the other way, for sure. Otherwise the rest of the talk was quite center-left, which is not what I perceived from Obama in 2008. |
Response to slay (Reply #2)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:18 AM
JDPriestly (37,747 posts)
20. What was different this time was that he announced to Congress that if they don't move with him,
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he is finding ways to take some of the steps needed rights straight from the White House. No need to wait for the support of Congress.
He is finding constitutional ways to circumvent the do-nothing Congress. I think Congress will want to support him rather than be left behind. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #20)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:51 PM
slay (7,670 posts)
25. I hope you are right - and that he will follow through
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cause very often his speeches rock but his actions don't. i certainly won't be voting repub so i hope during his second term he stands up to the assholes in congress at every opportunity.
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Response to slay (Reply #2)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:04 AM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
23. Yup, I didn't listen tonight because I've stopped hoping for change
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However, this one does sound like it was a barn burner and despite the likelihood of little of it actually coming to fruition, it did make the Republicant's pissy, in real time! I don't mind that one whit. Luckily, the intertubes will allow me to enjoy their discomfiture at my leisure.
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:26 PM
Lifelong Protester (4,781 posts)
3. I enjoyed that 'nation building' line
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we've all been thinking that for a long time.
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:32 PM
Matariki (15,006 posts)
7. Agreed. Great speech.
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Hope it defines his administration's policies over the next five years.
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:33 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
8. AMEN!
Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:46 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (21,990 posts)
13. He was saying the things we have been asking for
Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #13)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:05 AM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
24. Excellent!
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Now, step two. Do the things we've been asking for. Captain the Congress ship into smarter waters. Ditch the teabaggers and GET IT DONE!
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:57 PM
Marrah_G (22,409 posts)
19. I didnt get to hear all of it
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But what I did hear was very good.
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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:56 AM
tavalon (25,684 posts)
21. I kind of wish I had watched
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His voice doesn't make my ears bleed like his predecessor's did and while I've learned to wait and see what he does rather than what he says, it sounds like this one was fun if for no other reason than to watch the Republican's recognize their inevitable defeat this fall.
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