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Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:05 PM

There's no such thing as privilege....

My great-grandfather was a straight white male, who was a dirt poor Kansas farmer, and he was never rich, and he worked with his hands, in horrible conditions no less!

Therefore, obviously white privilege, male privilege, and straight privilege don't exist! Yes, it's that simple! The experiences and research and stories of literally millions of millions of people, or countless little factoids, like how two families of the same income level-one white and one black-the white family will, on average, have 20 times the accumulated family wealth of the black family,or the fact that men, to this day, get paid more for women for the same work, or the whole history of racism in the creation of American suburbia, or...etc.


No, my individual anecdotes and personal story somehow refute decades of research, or those facts pointed out above (and many others), or the reality that many millions of Americans live with and experience every, single day.


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But seriously...this is the kind of "logic" that a lot of people who deny that privilege exists use.



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Reply There's no such thing as privilege.... (Original post)
YoungDemCA Jan 2013 OP
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #1
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #2
sibelian Jan 2013 #4
fizzgig Jan 2013 #7
el_bryanto Jan 2013 #10
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #3
sibelian Jan 2013 #5
1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #11
99Forever Jan 2013 #6
fizzgig Jan 2013 #8
99Forever Jan 2013 #9
fizzgig Jan 2013 #13
99Forever Jan 2013 #15
fizzgig Jan 2013 #16
99Forever Jan 2013 #19
upaloopa Jan 2013 #12
GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #14
trumad Jan 2013 #17
99Forever Jan 2013 #20
trumad Jan 2013 #21
99Forever Jan 2013 #22
Chathamization Jan 2013 #18

Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:11 PM

1. Socialism is a great equalizer

No one ever gives up power readily. That is why socialism is so hated. Socialism demands power be shared.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:11 PM

2. The problem in talking about white male privilege is that you have to personalize it to yourself

And that can be uncomfortable. Some people hear that and believe that it means that, as white males, they didn't really earn the things they have (nor did their Fathers or their Grandfathers). If that's how you take it, it's understandable that people reject it.

In so far as you have succeeded in life, that success is due to many factors - and if you are a white male, one of those factors is white male privilege.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:26 PM

4. No. There is no "privilege".


It is clearer and clearer with every single post by those supporting this utterly meaningless idea that their argument for its existence consists entirely of asserting repeatedly that it exists.

It doesn't.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:37 PM

7. i disagree

i am a white woman who benefits from privilege. i make more than my black and hispanic/latino sisters. i don't get pulled over for driving while black. clerks do not follow me in stores. i don't get frisked on the rare occasion i get pulled over.

simply being white gives you an edge, it's not a matter of being hardworking or how you live that life, but being white is often like having an ace in your hand. you're at an advantage.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:44 PM

10. It couldn't be more clear in recent weeks that there is a privilege

It's not something that shoots you automatically to the top - but you still have a host of benefits black people and people of color don't get.

Bryant

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:26 PM

3. Nonsesne, peons do not count

While many whites do not enjoy the privilidges that come with being white it does not for a minute mean that most do not.

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:29 PM

5. How many more white men have to not count?


Again and again, the same argument: "oh, it's not YOU."

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Response to sibelian (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:56 PM

11. Farmers for one, according to your evidence

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:32 PM

6. Thanks for starting ...

.. another divide and conquer thread for the 1%.

Could you link us to where someone posted There's no such thing as privilege..."?

Thanks again.




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Response to 99Forever (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:38 PM

8. it's happening in this thread

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:42 PM

9. Really?

Then linking to it should VERY easy.

Go for it.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:00 PM

13. i'm not linking when you clearly did not even read the thread before responding

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:41 PM

15. Hogwash.

I read it both before and after I responded to your stupid and ridiculous claim. So, link it, fizz.


You got nothing.


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Response to 99Forever (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:02 PM

16. then you clearly missed post number four

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Response to fizzgig (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:26 PM

19. Did your..

.. leg come off in that poster's hand? Or are you so hung up on this that you don't recognize when you are being played?

Funny how those of you that push this tired meme, generalize it to everyone you seem to think has it so easy. I've got news for you, I'd take being a rich, person of color, of the female gender, to being a "privileged" poor white male, every time. But then maybe that's because actually being of that demographic, has taught me some things you don't have the first fucking clue about. This crap is precisely what the 1% wants, keep us at each others throats, fighting for the scraps, while they feast.

So, congrats on helping make sure the 1% keep us ALL under their boot.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:58 PM

12. Two thoughts

First if you are born a white male you learn early on that you get treated better than minorities.
Second, you had no choice in what race or sex you were born into.
Therefore you have no choice in how people treat you.
All you have a choice in is how you react to that treatment.
I think this makes clear that these white male privilege denial threads are a waist of time.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 02:28 PM

14. Manifest Destiny.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:05 PM

17. Watch Mad Men for a season and get back to me.

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Response to trumad (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:47 PM

20. A fictional idiot box show...

... set 50 years in the past, is now considered "evidence?"

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:50 PM

21. Yeah it is---

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Response to trumad (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 04:54 PM

22. But of course.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 03:15 PM

18. No such thing as being "self-made"

That's the main issue. Anyone who's gotten anywhere in life did so because of others, or the system they were in, etc. Chances are, they also suffered in some way from some hardships. Being able to say "I understand that my victories are because of my advantages, and the things I dislike about others stem from their disadvantages or my own" is difficult.

If you're asking people to be charitable, try starting yourself. "I'm not particularly fond of Mitt Romney, but I understand that his shortcomings come from not having the advantages that I had" or something like that is a decent start.

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