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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:37 PM

 

I am a radical liberal on social issues - legalize prostitution, euthanasia, all drugs,

and all guns.

Freedom is more important than preventing an occasional mishap. Most people can't handle radical liberalism.

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Reply I am a radical liberal on social issues - legalize prostitution, euthanasia, all drugs, (Original post)
banned from Kos Jan 2013 OP
Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #1
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #3
Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #8
ProSense Jan 2013 #2
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #5
R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #24
ret5hd Jan 2013 #27
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #41
overthehillvet Jan 2013 #56
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #57
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #4
demwing Jan 2013 #6
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #7
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #13
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15
frazzled Jan 2013 #9
randome Jan 2013 #10
JaneyVee Jan 2013 #11
Squinch Jan 2013 #53
Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #12
Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #14
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #17
Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #18
Renew Deal Jan 2013 #31
leftstreet Jan 2013 #16
jberryhill Jan 2013 #29
Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #19
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #20
Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #21
fadedrose Jan 2013 #22
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #23
banned from Kos Jan 2013 #26
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #33
RobertEarl Jan 2013 #35
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #25
white_wolf Jan 2013 #45
RomneyLies Jan 2013 #46
white_wolf Jan 2013 #48
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LanternWaste Jan 2013 #28
ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #30
ThatPoetGuy Jan 2013 #32
lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #34
gollygee Jan 2013 #38
gollygee Jan 2013 #36
quinnox Jan 2013 #37
demmiblue Jan 2013 #39
darkangel218 Jan 2013 #40
DanTex Jan 2013 #42
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R_Flagg_77 Jan 2013 #44
white_wolf Jan 2013 #47
Ohio Joe Jan 2013 #50
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leftstreet Jan 2013 #52
white_wolf Jan 2013 #58
cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #54
rightsideout Jan 2013 #55
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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:41 PM

1. I'm with you so-far. Where do you draw your limits?

Are there no limits?

Where is the line between liberalism and anarchy?

I'm not mocking you; this is a serious question.

Are there limits beyond which even a radical liberal will not go?

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:45 PM

3. That is a great question.

 

I want government to prevent pollution and animal cruelty more than it does.

I am glad child porn is illegal (due to the harm of a child in production). Maybe I am just MILDLY radical?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:50 PM

8. "Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace"

- Benito Juárez,
President of México
January 15 1858 – to July 18 1872

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:43 PM

2. "legalize...all guns"

...is being a "radical liberal"?

What does that mean? LOL!

Where do you stand on economic issues?

Oh, never mind.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:48 PM

5. shooting someone is already illegal.

 

murder/assault

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:43 PM

24. So lets have more/greater carnage from all the guns being legalized?


I have to agree with PS on this.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:48 PM

27. How big of "guns"? Tanks? Fighter jets? Nuclear weqpons? If not, why not?

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:43 PM

41. He said all guns. So tanks too probably

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:28 PM

56. crazy

 

I'm not as far left as many in here but this is even crazy by my standards. Simply crazy.....

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Response to overthehillvet (Reply #56)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:30 PM

57. yuuups!

And I'm pro second amedment. But this is way too insane. No offense OP.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:47 PM

4. Need more social issues examples.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:48 PM

6. what's the difference

Between your radical liberalism and radical libertarianism?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:48 PM

7. Need a few economic issues before I can draw a good bead on your politics

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:55 PM

13. oh, I am for progressive taxation, a safety net, preserving the SS contract,

 

and for bank regulations and consumer protection, the FDIC, the SEC, etc.

(but not for single payer)

Libertarians hate me on all this.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:01 PM

15. The Devil of course is always in the details

But I'm keeping my eye on you for deviancy from liberal orthodoxy.



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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:52 PM

9. You are confusing liberalism with libertarianism

You may think you're a radical liberal; but you're not: you're a radical libertarian.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:52 PM

10. No children, I'm guessing.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:53 PM

11. I'm a mainstream conservative on social issues - ban SSM, abortion, collective bargaining,

immigration, workers rights, welfare, etc. because freedom means free to oppress others.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:44 PM

53. And shoot them!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:53 PM

12. You're not a liberal

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you're not. Please don't pretend you are.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:00 PM

14. This one was enough for me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1759549

Anyone supporting CU should be getting a pizza.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:08 PM

17. Yes, I side with the ACLU on free speech absolutism and CU

 

no doubt.

Would you ban an anti-Obama book? Of course not.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:11 PM

18. Go argue your libertarian bullshit with someone else

I'm uninterested in it.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:55 PM

31. I agree

I've seen the same thing

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:03 PM

16. You misspelled Libertarian n/t



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Response to leftstreet (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:51 PM

29. +1

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:12 PM

19. Just an idle question--


Will they let you into Freep Repugnant with a username like "Banned from DU?"

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:14 PM

20. You sound pretty libertarian at this point

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:18 PM

21. He's not a libertarian, just a libertine.

He espouses mainstream views on economic issues, where libertarians are all superindividualist capitalists.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:22 PM

22. Euthanasia's nickname, "Mercy Killing" is very apt

When someone has no hope of living a decent life - can't feed oneself, read, hear, walk, take pain pills constantly, and has no one to care for them, I think a nice injection listening (in my case to Sinatra) or gospel music (not me) is merciful and not cruel.

"No hope" is the operative phrase here...

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:30 PM

23. You should be forced to support a best friend who's addicted to meth.

Support him and give him a place to live while he steals everything that's not nailed down including your money, then looks you in the eye and tells you he HASN'T HAD A "BUMP" TODAY while he's chewing the inside of his cheek the way he always does when he's tweakin'.

Then you should be forced to tell him you've had all you can take and he has to leave. When you ask for the house key he tells you he can't find it. Then, for 2 weeks he comes into your house uninvited while you're at work because he's taken all your money and you can't afford new locks until payday. You should have to put up with all the shit he'll tell your OTHER friends about you and how you're a bullshit person.

Yep, you should be forced to endure all those things before you say legalize "all drugs" again.

Or worse yet, your parent, or brother, or sister, or CHILD who's addicted.

Yep.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:45 PM

26. So how is drug Prohibition working out?

 

not at all, is it?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:56 PM

33. So your solution is to legalize meth, and then what... create institutions to house the people who

cannot walk away from it? Give it to them for free to keep them from stealing to get it?

I know meth and tweakers having been a tweaker myself, albeit one of the lucky few who saw what was coming and stopped using it before I was lost to it. I've lost more than a few friends to it.

A little background: I'm a lifelong toker who wholeheartedly supports full legalization of marijuana but ONLY if you grow it yourself in your own home. Sales and taxation... fuck that shit. I don't want the government's hands in it at all.

Other drugs though, especially meth? Not so much.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:04 PM

35. Yeah, give to them for free

Why not give it to them for free?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:44 PM

25. No, you're not a radical liberal

 

You are a radical anarchist.

Anarchist.

Get it right.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:10 PM

45. Oh really so he calls for the abolition of capitalism?

He calls for the abolition of nation states? Sorry, he is not an anarchist.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:11 PM

46. You are, of course, right. I apologize to anarchists the world over.

 

The word is Paulbot.

Paulbot.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:13 PM

48. Now that I can agree with 100%.

Ugh, I keep hoping we won't have to hear from any more of his followers now that he's gone.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:15 PM

49. Sadly, they've declared fealty to his heir.

 

And Rand Paul is a Senator from Kentucky, which has the lowest average IQ in the nation. I suspect we'll hear from him for at least another forty years.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:50 PM

28. I don't believe that 20 dead 6 year old schoolchildren are merely "an occasional mishap"

I don't believe that 20 dead 6 year old schoolchildren are merely "an occasional mishap"; but then again, I'm not very clever, and never held to Stalin's wisdom that "1 death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic (or an occasional mishap)..."

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:52 PM

30. Prostitution, euthanasia, drugs and guns

Oh my.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:55 PM

32. So why are you opposed to freedom of speech?

Guns and free speech are a zero-sum game. Where anyone is armed, no one is free to speak.

This is the meaning of the expression "An armed society is a polite society."

It means that anything you say can get you killed, in a fraction of a second, before you can even think the word "gun."

If someone says, "hey man, stop kicking your dog," that's freedom of speech. But if he's carrying, no one will tell him to stop kicking his dog.

If you advocate for guns, you are advocating a society without any freedom, anywhere, at any time.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:57 PM

34. What you're describing is libertarianism.

And no... we all have to live in this house.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:05 PM

38. I should have read your post before answering. n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:05 PM

36. Why does "radical liberal" sound like "libertarian" to me?

Are you a libertarian as far as economic issues go? Do you like Ron Paul?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:05 PM

37. you, a radical liberal?

 

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:08 PM

39. Fuck Ron Paul. n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:33 PM

40. Alcohol is very bad for ones health.

But because is "legal" a lot of people use it and abuse it. Imagine if all the streets drugs would be legal?? Holy shit, no thanks!

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:50 PM

42. It's not that most people can't handle radical libertarianism.

It's that most people realize that it is idiotic.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:56 PM

43. No you're not. You're a true-to-form libertarian.

There are right-wing libertarians who would applaud every claim in your self-assertion.

You need to brush up on what it means to actually be a genuine radical liberal.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:06 PM

44. Liberals, conservatives, and libertarians...

 

Are all full of shit if you will pardon my crude language. The Republican and Democratic Parties are two scarred sides of the same coin because they share an inherent flaw. They fail to realize that moderation in all things is key to prosperity and the reasonable rule of law.

You could liken this to feeding a pet goldfish. See if you took an overly conservative approach and denied the fish food, it would starve to death in quick order. Likewise if you took an overly liberal approach and overfed the fish, it would eat itself to death. Libertarianism would be taking the fish out of water and depositing it directly in a container of food, trusting it to choose the correct amount of food for itself with the same result of death.

I enjoy living under the rule of a government; I enjoy the free use of the highways, the security of knowing my lights will be on in the morning, the ease of mind knowing I can buy and sell my livestock on the free market and earn a profit doing so. Paying taxes to provide for all of this is a fair trade in my mind.

Even more I rejoice in the knowledge that the government will not confiscate my legally owned properties for the 'greater good'. To know that my travel within the borders of my state and nation is unrestricted, and that I might speak my mind is even better. I do not hesitate to play my fair role in society, so long as the benefits to me do not out weight that which is bad.

Right now the GOP and Democratic Parties are on a lock-step march towards totalitarianism, be it of a liberal, or conservative, bent. This is because extremists of both stripes have hijacked both organizations. I want moderates in Congress, a moderate man in the White House, and judges of the same mentality on the Supreme Court. People that will balance the needs of the common man with the needs of the very wealthy and corporations. There is a reason that the statue of the figure of 'Justice' holds a scale in her hands... Balance in all things for all things.

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Response to R_Flagg_77 (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:12 PM

47. Your entire post is a logical fallacy.

Namely the Golden Mean. Moderation is not naturally better than a more extreme solution.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:18 PM

50. Even aside from that...

The claim that current Democratic Rep's are 'extreme', well... That is simply not an accurate starting point.

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Response to white_wolf (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:19 PM

51. How is it not?

 

When do extreme measures work?

In your mind what extreme measures can be immediately taken to fix... Lets say the massive inequality of wealth between a very small number of people (the 'super-rich'), and the lower classes of American society?

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Response to R_Flagg_77 (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:27 PM

52. What 'extreme measures' are politicians suggesting?


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Response to R_Flagg_77 (Reply #51)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:30 PM

58. It is a classic example of a logical fallacy.

Google "Golden Mean fallacy" and it will come up. I'll provide an example where an extreme position is better than a moderate one. Obama's health care law is moderate solution to the problem of healthcare. An extreme solution would be single-payer healthcare or even nationalized healthcare. Both would be much better than the moderate position.

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Response to R_Flagg_77 (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:03 PM

54. "I enjoy living under the rule of a government"

Whoa. That is fucking insane.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 10:22 PM

55. I agree 100 percent

Legalize drugs, marijuana and prostitution. If these are things people are involved with behind closed doors and not hurting anybody then leave them be.

It costs tax payer money, prison space and police resources to deal with this and many of these folks go through the revolving door in the justice system.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:34 PM

59. Mishap?

I would change that word, asap. It kinda reads like, and I certainly hope it isn't, you calling Sandy Hook a "mishap."

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